RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (Full Version)

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carlkay58 -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 4:35:22 PM)

You can stop the night interceptions by changing the fighter squadron to DAY ONLY. You can also do this in the Commander's Report for all the fighters at once. The Bf110s were night interceptors - unfortunately they all start focused as BOMBERS. Changing their focus to FIGHTERS will take six weeks but very worth it. Until they return from the RESERVES after their training, use the many flak units to protect your rear railyards. You don't have many large railyards (Minsk, Riga, Kaunus, Vilnus, Lvov, and a few others) before the Bf110s are swapped over so it is easy to protect them with the flak units.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 4:35:55 PM)

AA over Kaunas number 3



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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 4:36:37 PM)

AA over Kaunas number 4



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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 4:37:21 PM)

AA over Kaunas number 5


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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 4:37:57 PM)

AA over kaunas number 6

37 total 88 on that last one :) Still roughly got the same as in post 87 & 88 earlier in this AAR without a bit more concentration of AA.


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821Bobo -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 4:42:08 PM)

All the fighter losses were ops, nothing was shot down by my bombers.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 4:46:50 PM)

I am still semi on the fence with AA. Is there anything I didn't think of that anyone out there can think of? Or as a German player you just have to submit to having your rail-yards decimated?

I really don't want to make a house rule already without an answer but it is starting to look that way.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 4:48:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: 821Bobo

All the fighter losses were ops, nothing was shot down by my bombers.


Ya, my point is it is worthless to fly at night time with current rule set. So no way to even try to put up a fight that way.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 4:52:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: carlkay58

You can stop the night interceptions by changing the fighter squadron to DAY ONLY. You can also do this in the Commander's Report for all the fighters at once. The Bf110s were night interceptors - unfortunately they all start focused as BOMBERS. Changing their focus to FIGHTERS will take six weeks but very worth it. Until they return from the RESERVES after their training, use the many flak units to protect your rear railyards. You don't have many large railyards (Minsk, Riga, Kaunus, Vilnus, Lvov, and a few others) before the Bf110s are swapped over so it is easy to protect them with the flak units.



Yes, I know all of this. I needed to verify that in WITE2 this was still not an effective way of addressing the Soviet bombing issue with regular BF-109's. I just confirmed it and showing others. I changed out the BF-110's on the first turn already & did this in WITE1. The flak has had lack luster effect so far and that may be because I just placed it this turn.

***plus it is 8 weeks not 6 to switch between bomber to fighter :(



carlkay58 -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 5:02:04 PM)

No problem HYLA. I find that the flak is not as good as a fighter intercept but it is an acceptable alternative until the Bf110s come on line. Saving the Bf109s is important for the Axis in stopping Soviet Ground Support and is far more effective that way.



821Bobo -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 5:07:10 PM)

Soviet unescorted bombers in day would be butchered to the last poor soul. Night bombing needs to be nerfed.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 5:09:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: carlkay58

No problem HYLA. I find that the flak is not as good as a fighter intercept but it is an acceptable alternative until the Bf110s come on line. Saving the Bf109s is important for the Axis in stopping Soviet Ground Support and is far more effective that way.



Oh I concur with you 100% I just wanted to test here in WITE2 in a real game. I have done so now and have taken every single one of my single seat BF-109s OFF of night missions. I would advise all German players to do the same unless they want to risk some very high operational losses flying at night time. I appreciate your comments and always welcome all the comment from everyone even if I may or may not know things. It is how we all learn together. Please keep them coming :)



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 5:11:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: 821Bobo

Soviet unescorted bombers in day would be butchered to the last poor soul. Night bombing needs to be nerfed.


Yes, that is my conclusion too. But, lets get an answer from the powers to be first otherwise we may have to resort to some form of house rule.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 5:50:24 PM)

Turn 2 End

Here are the end of turn 2 Highlights before moving on to turn 3

North pockets all clear

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 5:53:16 PM)

Turn 2 End

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Central pockets all clear. WELL at least I thought so & will see what beast springs forth from me being complacent :( This will set me back a turn and half because of it :(

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 5:54:31 PM)

Turn 2 End

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South pockets all clear with a new pocket getting remnants of Lvov runaways.



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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 5:57:27 PM)

Turn 2 End

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Rumanian pockets formed

This is why I like locking down the Southern Front on the first turn. Grab a few extra units.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 6:03:31 PM)

Turn 2 End

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Keep an eye on the Soviet Infantry Division to the North East in this picture close to the regiment. On turn 3 this division is no longer there. What happened to it? Airlifted out? But I have a ton of fighter in this area you would think they would have intercepted. Soviet withdraw? Anyone help me out here?

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 6:05:48 PM)

Here is the picture of the Division gone.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 6:09:17 PM)

Turn 2 End

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Finally, was able to get across the Dnepr at one of my favorite locations.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 6:12:19 PM)

Turn 3

Weather



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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 6:14:54 PM)

Turn 3

Events

Africa another set back :( Sent reinforcements just takes time to get there.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 6:18:00 PM)

Turn 3

The Monster out of the Darkness

I missed one calvary unit and was careless in my duties here. This will cost me a turn and half to fix and may never get back that time. I havent had a mishap like this in a very long time. Oh well, time to move on.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 6:28:11 PM)

This game has been updated to v1.00.05 for this AAR



Speedysteve -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 7:42:25 PM)

Hope not with the support attachment bug [;)]



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 8:02:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Speedysteve

Hope not with the support attachment bug [;)]



Ya. I saw that after I updated :(



821Bobo -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 8:31:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain


quote:

ORIGINAL: Speedysteve

Hope not with the support attachment bug [;)]



Ya. I saw that after I updated :(


What bug?



M60A3TTS -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 8:33:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 3

The Monster out of the Darkness

I missed one calvary unit and was careless in my duties here. This will cost me a turn and half to fix and may never get back that time. I havent had a mishap like this in a very long time. Oh well, time to move on.


Nice one, Bobo![sm=happy0065.gif]



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 8:37:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: 821Bobo


quote:

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain


quote:

ORIGINAL: Speedysteve

Hope not with the support attachment bug [;)]



Ya. I saw that after I updated :(


What bug?


See post by Joel on that patch.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 8:37:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS


quote:

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 3

The Monster out of the Darkness

I missed one calvary unit and was careless in my duties here. This will cost me a turn and half to fix and may never get back that time. I havent had a mishap like this in a very long time. Oh well, time to move on.


Nice one, Bobo![sm=happy0065.gif]


These forums are so PRO Soviet :(



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