RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (Full Version)

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M60A3TTS -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 8:39:05 PM)

Well someone has to take you down a peg. Lord knows it would never be me. [:'(]



821Bobo -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 8:45:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Well someone has to take you down a peg. Lord knows it would never be me. [:'(]


Well, crossing Dnepr on T2 did put me in utter depression. At least some cavalrists got lucky.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 9:00:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Well someone has to take you down a peg. Lord knows it would never be me. [:'(]


M60 you are an excellent player. I just go lucky is all.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/2/2021 9:02:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: 821Bobo


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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Well someone has to take you down a peg. Lord knows it would never be me. [:'(]


Well, crossing Dnepr on T2 did put me in utter depression. At least some cavalrists got lucky.



Ya, I could not believe I did that :( It will hurt for sure.



Blagrot -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/4/2021 4:45:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 2 End

Here are the end of turn 2 Highlights before moving on to turn 3

Keep an eye on the Soviet Infantry Division to the North East in this picture close to the regiment. On turn 3 this division is no longer there. What happened to it? Airlifted out? But I have a ton of fighter in this area you would think they would have intercepted. Soviet withdraw? Anyone help me out here?



Not certain it's happened here but I'm pretty sure I've had a pocketed unit in contact with the enemy shatter at the start of the turn. I'm guessing some combination of a morale drop for being pocketed, damaged/lost elements it can't replace and attrition did it.



821Bobo -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/4/2021 6:51:53 PM)

Yes they can shatter but this one has been airlifted out. [;)]



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/4/2021 7:17:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: 821Bobo

Yes they can shatter but this one has been airlifted out. [;)]


I knew it! But why did my air not intercept them being airlifted out? /scratches head



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/4/2021 7:18:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Blagrot


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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 2 End

Here are the end of turn 2 Highlights before moving on to turn 3

Keep an eye on the Soviet Infantry Division to the North East in this picture close to the regiment. On turn 3 this division is no longer there. What happened to it? Airlifted out? But I have a ton of fighter in this area you would think they would have intercepted. Soviet withdraw? Anyone help me out here?



Not certain it's happened here but I'm pretty sure I've had a pocketed unit in contact with the enemy shatter at the start of the turn. I'm guessing some combination of a morale drop for being pocketed, damaged/lost elements it can't replace and attrition did it.


I did not think of this but very good point for sure. Thank you for sharing.



GloriousRuse -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/4/2021 8:03:20 PM)

Well, I think the forums are more pro-defender than pro-soviet. The game has been very fine tuned, but the biggest remaining issues generally favor the attacker (multistack hasties are insufficiently penalized in time and efficacy, overly easy AFV maintenance allows extended overland moves away from support, comparative ease of getting logistics over river lines that means crossing the Dnepr or the Vistula doesn’t incur a delay while getting support infrastructure built up far side or have log canalized along the bridges) - we all like to root for the underdog. Once players get over the systems familiarization phase, the few remaining issues tend to make the early and late war defender that guy.



KenchiSulla -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/5/2021 9:19:55 AM)

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The Bf110s were night interceptors - unfortunately they all start focused as BOMBERS.


Hi Carlkay, the 110s were not designed with night fighting in mind. They were modified to serve as night fighters.

About the F2 operational losses - they do seem to be relatively unreliable (@ 15 compared to 5 for a FW-190) so the combination with flying @ night with (slight) damage and reliability issues might be causing them to crash.... Doesn't help that those are 100% pilot losses....



KenchiSulla -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/6/2021 7:16:54 PM)

Regarding the night bombing of railyards and manpower -> way to accurate and effective. The Soviets did not have the bombload nor the navigation equipment to do that kind of damage....



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/7/2021 2:39:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KenchiSulla

Regarding the night bombing of railyards and manpower -> way to accurate and effective. The Soviets did not have the bombload nor the navigation equipment to do that kind of damage....


Ya, I am getting rail yard bombarded in both games relentlessly. Granted the Soviets are taking a great deal of casualties. But the end result is there are only a few double lines that the Germans can use in 41 and makes for easy targeting by the Soviets to reduce the rail yards. Seems kind of cheesy to me but I am not going to house rule it out at the moment to see how this plays out. I have started converting single lines locations with railyards to circumvent some of these bombings, I hope :-)

But, yes Sir you are correct from my observations.



HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/7/2021 2:51:36 PM)

T3 Germany End of Turn

This is what I saw earlier that led me to believe the unit was airlifted out.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/7/2021 2:54:11 PM)

T3 Germany End of Turn

Vitebsk

Made a good leap towards Vitebsk this turn. Been using Ground Support to good effect. Think I will be setting it up to be used all the time now to draw out Soviet fighters. (units hidden in photo because this is in real time with Bobo with the turn)



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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/7/2021 2:57:39 PM)

Turn 3 Germany End of Turn

Near Polotsk

I did not put all the bombers to bomb. I had set some of the bombers to rest so they would not participate in every battle. This way I can try and control operational losses by only flying 1 may 2 missions at most per squadron. I LOVE using the Ju-87's now :-)

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/7/2021 3:01:19 PM)

Turn 3 Germany End of turn

2nd battle in the North near Vitsbek

A few Lagg's showed up in this fight

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/7/2021 3:09:25 PM)

Turn 3 German End of turn

Gomel


I am pushing the center & take Gomel. Will see how the Soviets react next turn. Could get interesting fast. Infantry is extremely close now :)




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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/7/2021 3:12:24 PM)

Turn 3 Germany end of turn

Attacks near Gomel

1st Attack to cross river.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/7/2021 3:13:51 PM)

Turn 3 Germany end of turn

Attacks near Gomel

2nd Attack to cross river. More Migs intercept.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/7/2021 3:15:46 PM)

Turn 3 Germany end of turn

Attacks near Gomel

Cross River & 3rd Attack. More Migs.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/7/2021 3:18:17 PM)

Turn 3 Germany end of turn

Attacks near Gomel

4th Attack & way is open. I am conservative in thrust to stay in cover instead of clear terrain unless I have to under threat of Soviet counter-attack.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/7/2021 3:19:04 PM)

Turn 3 Germany end of turn

Attack on Gomel



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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/7/2021 3:22:20 PM)

Turn 3 Germany end of turn

South

Pockets eliminated & 1 fully formed now.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/7/2021 3:23:46 PM)

Turn 3 Germany end of turn

Rumania

Some pockets eliminated & new one formed.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/7/2021 3:30:01 PM)

Turn 3 Germany end of turn

South

The Soviets were no where to be found on Recon. If going by normal games I would surmise that the Soviets are just to the rivers in front of the lead PZ's formation. That is if 821Bobo didn't do a full blown retreat which I don't think he would have done. So I pick up a great deal of mileage. There is also only 3 hexes left to close off the Marshes. This will be closed next turn and supply should pass to those lead units from the Center.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/7/2021 3:33:12 PM)

Turn 3 German End of Turn

Air losses

Well this turn hurt because of the interception of Night bombing. The operational loss there hurt a great deal, but lesson has been learned and understood for WITE2. With those losses aside I would say it was not a bad turn in the air. But with them makes me want to cry.

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/7/2021 3:34:47 PM)

Turn 3 German End of Turn

Ground Losses



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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/7/2021 3:35:27 PM)

Turn 3 German End of Turn

OOB


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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/11/2021 6:39:57 PM)

Turn 4 Beginning of German Turn

Weather

Been a little bit on the turns since 821Bobo has been busy. Not a problem with me at all. But as always need to start with the darn weather!!!



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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All are welcome (4/11/2021 6:41:52 PM)

Turn 4 Beginning of German turn

Events!!!

Well, another Axis air problem in N. Africa :(

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