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Zorch -> Delta Variant - please no politics (8/1/2021 9:21:41 PM)

New delta variant studies show the pandemic is far from over https://www.sciencenews.org/article/delta-variant-studies-cdc-coronavirus-covid-pandemic

A widespread return to COVID-19 restrictions could be on the horizon

By Tina Hesman Saey, Erin Garcia de Jesús and Jonathan Lambert
JULY 30, 2021 AT 4:52 PM

The coronavirus’s delta variant is different from earlier strains of the virus in worrying ways, health officials are discovering. And those differences may mean a return to some of the restrictions that vaccinated people thought were in the past.

The variant is not only more contagious than earlier strains, it also makes people sicker. And even vaccinated people can get infected and house similar levels of viral particles in their noses as unvaccinated people, raising concern about the vaccines’ ability to curb transmission, new data indicate. But experts caution that there’s more to infectiousness than just those viral levels in the nose.

Here are five things to know about the new delta data:

1. Vaccinated people can get infected with delta, but the vaccines are still working.
Some 350 of about 470 people, nearly 75 percent, who caught the coronavirus in a large outbreak in Barnstable County, Mass., were fully vaccinated, researchers report July 30 in Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. Public health officials linked many of those cases to packed indoor and outdoor events at places like bars and rental homes. The delta variant, which was first identified in India, was behind 120 of 133 analyzed COVID-19 cases, or 90 percent, in the outbreak.

But while it may sound like the vaccines didn’t do their job, the high proportion of cases in vaccinated people may be because of the county’s high vaccination rate, the researchers say; as of July 3, 70 percent of those eligible in Barnstable County are vaccinated. As more people in a community get vaccinated, the likelihood that someone who tests positive for the coronavirus has protection from the shots also goes up. That’s simply because the vaccines aren’t 100 percent effective.

Crucially, COVID-19 shots still protected vaccinated people from severe disease. While five people were hospitalized, including one unvaccinated person, as of July 27, no one had died.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 35,000 of the 162 million vaccinated people in the United States will develop a symptomatic infection every week. That’s about 21 COVID-19 cases in every 100,000 fully vaccinated people getting sick each week. That compares with about 179 infections among every 100,000 unvaccinated people per week.

As for hospitalization, two to three unvaccinated people out of every 100,000 will be hospitalized weekly with COVID-19 and roughly one person per 100,000 will die each week, according to CDC’s calculations. That’s about 25 times the number of fully vaccinated people facing the same fate. Among the fully vaccinated, 0.1 of 100,000 people will be hospitalized weekly and 0.04 per 100,000 will die each week.

2. Vaccinated people might more readily transmit delta to others, but there’s a huge caveat to that.
In that Massachusetts study, both unvaccinated and vaccinated people infected with the delta variant had similar levels of coronavirus genetic material in their noses, as measured by PCR, suggesting similar viral loads. Those elevated viral loads could mean that vaccinated people might more readily transmit delta than other coronavirus variants, despite being protected from the worst of COVID-19 themselves.

That “concerning” finding underpinned the agency’s recommendation from earlier in the week that vaccinated people wear masks indoors in certain instances, CDC director Rochelle Walensky said in a July 30 statement (SN: 7/27/21).

But this finding comes with major caveats. The result “just gives you an indication of how much viral RNA is in the sample, it tells you nothing about infectiousness,” says Susan Butler-Wu, a clinical microbiologist at the University of Southern California. These data “are a cause for concern, but this is not a definitive answer on transmissibility” from vaccinated people, she says.

When a vaccinated person gets infected and becomes symptomatic, “we already knew that they’d have higher viral loads,” Butler-Wu says. But the immune response jump-started by the vaccine may hamstring many of those viral particles.

“Many of these viral particles are likely coated in antibodies,” says Brett Lindenbach, a virologist at Yale University, meaning the viral particles “should be less infectious.”

The delta variant may spread more easily from vaccinated people than earlier variants, he says, but definitively demonstrating that would require detailed studies that document transmission events from vaccinated people to others. Still, both Lindenbach and Butler-Wu say that mask wearing, for vaccinated and unvaccinated people, can help slow the spread of the delta variant.

3. The delta variant can actually make people sicker.
Three recent studies in Canada, Singapore and Scotland indicate that the variant raises the risk of hospitalization, intensive care unit admissions and death.

In Canada, epidemiologist Ashleigh Tuite at the Dalla Lana School of Public Health at the University of Toronto analyzed data from the province of Ontario to see if different coronavirus variants made people sicker. She and colleague David Fishman had information about who got infected and what the outcome of the infection was. Even after accounting for vaccination, age and underlying health conditions, the delta variant carried a 120 percent increased risk of hospitalization, 287 percent increased risk of ICU admission and 137 percent increased risk of death, the researchers report July 12 at medRxiv.org. “And that’s on top of what we see with alpha,” Tuite says.

In Singapore, a preliminary study in the Lancet posted June 7 to the preprint server SSRN found that the delta variant nearly doubles the risk of pneumonia compared with earlier strains and carries an increased risk of needing supplemental oxygen, being admitted to the ICU and dying.

Those preliminary data haven’t been reviewed by other scientists yet, but agree with data published in the Lancet June 14 from a study in Scotland. There, researchers found that the delta variant doubles the risk of hospitalization compared with the alpha variant.

There is evidence that the vaccines work slightly less well against the delta variant than they did against earlier strains. Still, vaccination reduces the risk of these serious complications. Vaccines are like using an extinguisher on a kitchen fire, says Paul Offit, director of vaccine education at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. “The goal is to keep the rest of the house from burning down.” The virus can enter cells in the nose, throat and lungs and start to replicate there, “so you can have an asymptomatic infection or a mild disease,” Offit says.

But then, a vaccinated person’s immune system will kick in after a couple of days and prevent the infection from causing more severe disease, he says. “It’s easier to prevent moderate to severe disease than it is to prevent mild disease.”

4. Delta is much more transmissible than previous forms of the coronavirus.
An unvaccinated person infected with the ancestral version of the virus that first emerged at the end of 2019 typically transmitted the virus to two to four people on average.

Someone infected with the delta variant, however, might pass the virus on to five to 10 others on average. That’s nearly on par with the contagiousness of chicken pox, internal CDC documents first obtained and published by the Washington Post show.

5. Public health measures like vaccination and masks remain crucial tools.
The CDC recommended a return to masking, because it is one of the most effective tools to prevent infection.

N95 masks are effective in all settings, but surgical masks fare best when the concentration of viruses in the air is low, an international group of researchers calculated in a June 25 Science study. And their calculations suggest the masks work best against both getting an infection and spreading it when everyone is wearing a mask. And well-fitting masks protect better than ones that have gaps at the top or sides, previous studies have demonstrated (SN: 2/12/21).

Three-layer cotton cloth masks are also effective, researchers reported July 2 in Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

Researchers tested how many stand-ins for virus-carrying aerosol particles mannequin heads “breathed” with and without cotton masks. If all the dummies wore masks, the combined concentration of aerosol particles in the air was 72 percent lower than the number of airborne particles when none of the mannequins were masked.

Combining masks with proper ventilation and filtration may be even more helpful (SN: 5/18/21). In the mannequin study, researchers also placed two HEPA filters in various locations around the room. HEPA filtration cut exposure to airborne particles by 65 percent compared with no filtration and no masks. When all the mannequins were masked and the HEPA filters were on, the average particle concentration was reduced 90 percent.


CITATIONS
C.M. Brown et al. Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 infections, including COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections, associated with large public gatherings — Barnstable County, Massachusetts, July 2021. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. Published online July 30, 2021. doi: 10.15585/mmwr.mm7031e2.

D.N. Fisman and A.R. Tuite. Progressive increase in virulence of novel SARS-CoV-2 variants in Ontario, Canada. medRxiv.org. Posted July 12, 2021. doi: 10.1101/2021.07.05.21260050.

S.W.X. Ong et al. Clinical and virological features of SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern: A retrospective cohort study comparing B.1.1.7 (alpha), B.1.351 (beta), and B.1.617.2 (delta). SSRN. Posted June 7, 2021. doi: 10.2139/ssrn.3861566.

A. Sheikh et al. SARS-CoV-2 delta VOC in Scotland: demographics, risk of hospital admission and vaccine effectiveness. The Lancet. Published online June 14, 2021. doi: 10.1016/S0140-6736(21)01358-1.

Y. Cheng et al. Face masks effectively limit the probability of SARS-CoV-2 transmission. Science. Vol. 372, June 25, 2021, p. 1439. doi: 10.1126/science.abg6296.

W.G. Lindsley et al. Efficacy of portable air cleaners and masking for reducing indoor exposure to simulated exhaled SARS-CoV-2 aerosols — United States, 2021. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. Vol. 70, July 9, 2021, p. 972. doi: 10.15585/mmwr.mm7027e1.




Aurelian -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/1/2021 9:35:09 PM)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/study-pfizer-vaccine-88-percent-effective-against-delta-variant/ar-AAMro79

The Study: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891?query=featured_home published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Wednesday from researchers at Public Health England, offers reassurance about the effectiveness of the vaccines against the delta variant.




balto -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/1/2021 9:54:10 PM)

No Politics? How about stop posting on this. Relax, you will be fine. The media is manipulating you.




sPzAbt653 -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/1/2021 9:57:34 PM)

Certainly the most important thing in that article was mentioned last, so I'll post it again for the benefit of all those that don't read the whole thing.

proper ventilation and filtration may be even more helpful (SN: 5/18/21). In the mannequin study, researchers also placed two HEPA filters in various locations around the room. HEPA filtration cut exposure to airborne particles by 65 percent compared with no filtration and no masks. When all the mannequins were masked and the HEPA filters were on, the average particle concentration was reduced 90 percent.

Businesses need to focus on new ventilation systems. This should have been true since this crap first started. Money needs to be directed at this issue rather than elsewhere.




RangerJoe -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/1/2021 10:06:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: balto

No Politics? How about stop posting on this. Relax, you will be fine. The media is manipulating you.


+1
Not only that, did the mannequins get Covid-19 as well?

I mean, I go to a store and I see pregnant mannequins and I just wonder exactly how that happened!




RangerJoe -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/1/2021 10:08:00 PM)

Look up the Asiatic Flu and the Hong Kong flu. See what happened. Then start worrying . . .




DD696 -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/1/2021 10:16:52 PM)

Everything is political these days. Wipe your butt with this toilet paper, and you are an eco-terriosit. Say that people disrespecting the flag and you are no good. That is blatantly political. It is very difficult to find something that some dip sh*t does not find political. If you support your country, you are polical. If you don't support your country, you are a hero - but only in the eyes of those who place no value on what support of what the flag you are supporting means.

Yeah, I support the values of my country and the flag to which it waves. So, go* dam* me for doing so.

Edit: Warspite can start a tread about no politics regarding the Olympic games, but, just tell me, how is only including countries of the British empire (including conquered Ireland), not politics.

As I said, everything can be construed to be political in these sad days.




Zorch -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/1/2021 10:45:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

Certainly the most important thing in that article was mentioned last, so I'll post it again for the benefit of all those that don't read the whole thing.

proper ventilation and filtration may be even more helpful (SN: 5/18/21). In the mannequin study, researchers also placed two HEPA filters in various locations around the room. HEPA filtration cut exposure to airborne particles by 65 percent compared with no filtration and no masks. When all the mannequins were masked and the HEPA filters were on, the average particle concentration was reduced 90 percent.

Businesses need to focus on new ventilation systems. This should have been true since this crap first started. Money needs to be directed at this issue rather than elsewhere.


Well that didn't take long, did it? Some people just can't control themselves.

No filtration will protect you if a person with Covid breathes, sneezes, or coughs on you. That's why masks are better.
And refitting every building with air filtration systems will take many years, during which people will die.

Moderator, please lock this thread.




Aurelian -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/1/2021 10:50:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Zorch


quote:

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

Certainly the most important thing in that article was mentioned last, so I'll post it again for the benefit of all those that don't read the whole thing.

proper ventilation and filtration may be even more helpful (SN: 5/18/21). In the mannequin study, researchers also placed two HEPA filters in various locations around the room. HEPA filtration cut exposure to airborne particles by 65 percent compared with no filtration and no masks. When all the mannequins were masked and the HEPA filters were on, the average particle concentration was reduced 90 percent.

Businesses need to focus on new ventilation systems. This should have been true since this crap first started. Money needs to be directed at this issue rather than elsewhere.


Well that didn't take long, did it? Some people just can't control themselves.

No filtration will protect you if a person with Covid breathes, sneezes, or coughs on you. That's why masks are better.
And refitting every building with air filtration systems will take many years, during which people will die.

Moderator, please lock this thread.



Didn't take long at all. Just..... sad.

All the filtration any building has will not work against human-to-human transmission via respiratory droplets.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-covid-spreads.html Nowhere does it say building filtration will help.




RangerJoe -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/1/2021 11:05:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Zorch


quote:

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

Certainly the most important thing in that article was mentioned last, so I'll post it again for the benefit of all those that don't read the whole thing.

proper ventilation and filtration may be even more helpful (SN: 5/18/21). In the mannequin study, researchers also placed two HEPA filters in various locations around the room. HEPA filtration cut exposure to airborne particles by 65 percent compared with no filtration and no masks. When all the mannequins were masked and the HEPA filters were on, the average particle concentration was reduced 90 percent.

Businesses need to focus on new ventilation systems. This should have been true since this crap first started. Money needs to be directed at this issue rather than elsewhere.


Well that didn't take long, did it? Some people just can't control themselves.

No filtration will protect you if a person with Covid breathes, sneezes, or coughs on you. That's why masks are better.
And refitting every building with air filtration systems will take many years, during which people will die.

Moderator, please lock this thread.


Why did you even start it?

Was it to keep the panic and hysteria going?

Remember that Fauci said that masks don't help - even when he knew that masks helped. So he is a liar. Just think, 60 percent of the white tailed deer in Michigan that they have tested so far have antibodies for Covid-19 - are all of those animals going to be killed?




RangerJoe -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/1/2021 11:09:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch


quote:

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

Certainly the most important thing in that article was mentioned last, so I'll post it again for the benefit of all those that don't read the whole thing.

proper ventilation and filtration may be even more helpful (SN: 5/18/21). In the mannequin study, researchers also placed two HEPA filters in various locations around the room. HEPA filtration cut exposure to airborne particles by 65 percent compared with no filtration and no masks. When all the mannequins were masked and the HEPA filters were on, the average particle concentration was reduced 90 percent.

Businesses need to focus on new ventilation systems. This should have been true since this crap first started. Money needs to be directed at this issue rather than elsewhere.


Well that didn't take long, did it? Some people just can't control themselves.

No filtration will protect you if a person with Covid breathes, sneezes, or coughs on you. That's why masks are better.
And refitting every building with air filtration systems will take many years, during which people will die.

Moderator, please lock this thread.



The thing is, the death toll should read "died with Covid-19" an not "from Covid-19." But the government won't release the information of how many people died with other complicating factors and not just that they had Covid-19. I wonder why they don't want to release that information . . .




Zorch -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/1/2021 11:15:24 PM)

I posted this because I thought people would want to know facts about Covid, as opposed to internet misinformation.

I don't understand why some people feel a need to air their political views about Covid. Do they really think they're influencing anyone?




Sammy5IsAlive -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/1/2021 11:20:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Zorch

I don't understand why some people feel a need to air their political views about Covid. Do they really think they're influencing anyone?


As the old saying goes - empty vessels make the most noise.





RangerJoe -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/1/2021 11:55:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Zorch

I posted this because I thought people would want to know facts about Covid, as opposed to internet misinformation.

I don't understand why some people feel a need to air their political views about Covid. Do they really think they're influencing anyone?


The vaccine never could prevent people from getting it, it helps to prevent it from becoming systemic - that is, if you don't suddenly drop dead within the hour of becoming vaccinated or having a lot of other side affects. Also, a lot of people should not be vaccinated.




Zorch -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/2/2021 12:12:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch

I posted this because I thought people would want to know facts about Covid, as opposed to internet misinformation.

I don't understand why some people feel a need to air their political views about Covid. Do they really think they're influencing anyone?


The vaccine never could prevent people from getting it, it helps to prevent it from becoming systemic - that is, if you don't suddenly drop dead within the hour of becoming vacinated or having a lot of other side affects. Also, a lot of people should not be vaccinated.

Please identify your source for the above statements.




RangerJoe -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/2/2021 12:17:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Zorch


quote:

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch

I posted this because I thought people would want to know facts about Covid, as opposed to internet misinformation.

I don't understand why some people feel a need to air their political views about Covid. Do they really think they're influencing anyone?


The vaccine never could prevent people from getting it, it helps to prevent it from becoming systemic - that is, if you don't suddenly drop dead within the hour of becoming vaccinated or having a lot of other side affects. Also, a lot of people should not be vaccinated.

Please identify your source for the above statements.


The news and medical doctors.




MrsWargamer -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/2/2021 12:32:43 AM)

I got the shots. I didn't rush out. There was no line when I went.

I have no idea if it was a good bad or otherwise decision.
But I'm not an ideal test case example.

Life has seen fit to protect me nicely indirectly. I'm Canadian, on a disability pension, which is a matter of national politics at work. I'm grateful for it. I'd have died in the 90s without it.
Income has not been one of my worries. Wish I could work, but I can't.
Most of covid, has been spent about the same as I've spent the last 25 years. At home. I didn't need to be told to stay home, I was already there.
I haven't gone out much in over a year. But 'going out' would be just me saying I took 2 hours to drink a hot chocolate at Tims.
My life doesn't permit travelling. I rarely live town.

So I've been lucky, in that covid to me, is mainly me staying home more so than the norm. Boring, but hardly life-threatening.

I am glad I'm not on the west coast.
I'm glad I'm not on the Gulf or Atlantic Coast.
I tried finding a place in the US that wasn't being beaten up by the weather, couldn't find one.
Most of Canada up north is trees. No shortage of fires.
But I live in Central Ontario. Mostly open farmland. Lots of lakes. It's not fire prone.

Currently, smoke problems are making them suggest you either wear your mask to protect against air quality or just not go out.
Covid has a lot of competition for putting you in danger it seems.

Getting vaccinated seems a lot simpler than dealing with drought.
Water supplies might run scarce. Low water might lead to power distribution troubles.
It's not like covid hasn't impacted where I live.
But it's avoidable.

My only real concerns, are the long range ripples this will have on the economy and small business.




Sieben -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/2/2021 12:52:45 AM)

God. what a bunch of screwballs. If I'd known this forum was a private chat room for loony tunes, I would never have posted here.

I didn't mean you, Zorch. Thank you for trying.




Bamilus -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/2/2021 1:25:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch


quote:

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch

I posted this because I thought people would want to know facts about Covid, as opposed to internet misinformation.

I don't understand why some people feel a need to air their political views about Covid. Do they really think they're influencing anyone?


The vaccine never could prevent people from getting it, it helps to prevent it from becoming systemic - that is, if you don't suddenly drop dead within the hour of becoming vaccinated or having a lot of other side affects. Also, a lot of people should not be vaccinated.

Please identify your source for the above statements.


The news and medical doctors.


Can you provide some links please? I have yet to see any reputable source say this. All I see are Trumpers parroting lies after their attempted January 6th coup. Can't wait for boomers to move on to the next world so we can actually advance as a society

PS: I hate Joe Biden, I've never voted Democrat. But I hate fascists even more!




RangerJoe -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/2/2021 1:30:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sieben

God. what a bunch of screwballs. If I'd known this forum was a private chat room for loony tunes, I would never have posted here.


This is not a private chat room for Canadian dollars not Warner Brothers highly educational and informative short films - not longer ones for that matter.




z1812 -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/2/2021 1:38:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: balto

No Politics? How about stop posting on this. Relax, you will be fine. The media is manipulating you.



Really? 21,000 new cases in Florida. This is what happens when people don't wear masks, don't socially distance and refuse vaccination.


https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/florida-breaks-record-with-more-than-21-000-new-coronavirus-cases-121080100061_1.html




RangerJoe -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/2/2021 1:55:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: z1812


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ORIGINAL: balto

No Politics? How about stop posting on this. Relax, you will be fine. The media is manipulating you.



Really? 21,000 new cases in Florida. This is what happens when people don't wear masks, don't socially distance and refuse vaccination.


https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/florida-breaks-record-with-more-than-21-000-new-coronavirus-cases-121080100061_1.html


Well, why don't you personally help them since you are an expert in their problems and can tell them exactly what they need to do and how to live their very own lives.




RangerJoe -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/2/2021 2:19:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Bamilus


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: Zorch


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch

I posted this because I thought people would want to know facts about Covid, as opposed to internet misinformation.

I don't understand why some people feel a need to air their political views about Covid. Do they really think they're influencing anyone?


The vaccine never could prevent people from getting it, it helps to prevent it from becoming systemic - that is, if you don't suddenly drop dead within the hour of becoming vaccinated or having a lot of other side affects. Also, a lot of people should not be vaccinated.

Please identify your source for the above statements.


The news and medical doctors.


Can you provide some links please? I have yet to see any reputable source say this. All I see are Trumpers parroting lies after their attempted January 6th coup. Can't wait for boomers to move on to the next world so we can actually advance as a society

PS: I hate Joe Biden, I've never voted Democrat. But I hate fascists even more!


Not when you put that political post up and also wanting people to die. Why don't you go first instead? Then the boomers won't bother you any more . . .




ThomasJay -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/2/2021 2:26:28 AM)

I'm in Florida, many cases but I'm fully vaccinated so I'm not really worried if I catch it myself, and feel no responsibility to protect the willfully unvaccinated so I won't mask up unless a place requests they be worn My 20 yr old vaccinated granddaughter had a breakthrough case, scratchy throat for a few days, missed an audition. She gave it to her 11 yr old sister, mild fever for three days.

Anyway with as hot as it's been here plus the red tide, I spend a lot of time INside like BEFORE during THE LOCKdown anyway.




sPzAbt653 -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/2/2021 2:30:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Zorch
quote:

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653
Certainly the most important thing in that article was mentioned last, so I'll post it again for the benefit of all those that don't read the whole thing.

proper ventilation and filtration may be even more helpful (SN: 5/18/21). In the mannequin study, researchers also placed two HEPA filters in various locations around the room. HEPA filtration cut exposure to airborne particles by 65 percent compared with no filtration and no masks. When all the mannequins were masked and the HEPA filters were on, the average particle concentration was reduced 90 percent.

Businesses need to focus on new ventilation systems. This should have been true since this crap first started. Money needs to be directed at this issue rather than elsewhere.


Well that didn't take long, did it? Some people just can't control themselves.

No filtration will protect you if a person with Covid breathes, sneezes, or coughs on you. That's why masks are better.
And refitting every building with air filtration systems will take many years, during which people will die.

Moderator, please lock this thread.

But if the obvious path had been taken a year ago, all of the millions or billions of dollars and effort wasted on foolishness would have been better spent on refitting of buildings. By the way, all of these buildings should have been refitted long ago. Here in Baltimore we still have schools with no A/C. WTF ?!?!? If these systems had been improved years ago as they should have been, most of this COVID crap would be a non issue. And how anybody thinks this is a political issue is beyond me. It's plain and simple the social responsibility of all of us. Get off the distractions and focus on the issues. Air Quality INSIDE. Has anybody got COVID while outside? omg.

Moderator, please don't lock this thread, leave it open for intelligent discussions on the matter. Moderator, please ban these long time trolls that constantly get threads locked. It's embarrassing.




RangerJoe -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/2/2021 2:37:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch
quote:

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653
Certainly the most important thing in that article was mentioned last, so I'll post it again for the benefit of all those that don't read the whole thing.

proper ventilation and filtration may be even more helpful (SN: 5/18/21). In the mannequin study, researchers also placed two HEPA filters in various locations around the room. HEPA filtration cut exposure to airborne particles by 65 percent compared with no filtration and no masks. When all the mannequins were masked and the HEPA filters were on, the average particle concentration was reduced 90 percent.

Businesses need to focus on new ventilation systems. This should have been true since this crap first started. Money needs to be directed at this issue rather than elsewhere.


Well that didn't take long, did it? Some people just can't control themselves.

No filtration will protect you if a person with Covid breathes, sneezes, or coughs on you. That's why masks are better.
And refitting every building with air filtration systems will take many years, during which people will die.

Moderator, please lock this thread.

But if the obvious path had been taken a year ago, all of the millions or billions of dollars and effort wasted on foolishness would have been better spent on refitting of buildings. By the way, all of these buildings should have been refitted long ago. Here in Baltimore we still have schools with no A/C. WTF ?!?!? If these systems had been improved years ago as they should have been, most of this COVID crap would be a non issue. And how anybody thinks this is a political issue is beyond me. It's plain and simple the social responsibility of all of us. Get off the distractions and focus on the issues. Air Quality INSIDE. Has anybody got COVID while outside? omg.

Moderator, please don't lock this thread, leave it open for intelligent discussions on the matter. Moderator, please ban these long time trolls that constantly get threads locked. It's embarrassing.


Spending money on public buildings is political. So your post is, by definition, a political post.




MrsWargamer -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/2/2021 2:56:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sieben

God. what a bunch of screwballs. If I'd known this forum was a private chat room for loony tunes, I would never have posted here.

I didn't mean you, Zorch. Thank you for trying.


You're new here I can see.

This forum, General Discussions, IS basically a bunch of mostly well meaning old men, but we have some who couldn't care less for the rules let alone civil discourse. It's 2021, and if you want 'friendly' and 'accurate', and 'non political' commentary on social media, well, you are living in a delusion. It's the internet, where facts never matter, and opinions are rarely worth much, and everyone knows better than the other person.




warspite1 -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/2/2021 3:46:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DD696

Edit: Warspite can start a tread about no politics regarding the Olympic games, but, just tell me, how is only including countries of the British empire (including conquered Ireland), not politics.

warspite1

Wow. DD696 I’ve no idea why you’ve dragged me into this, but quite clearly your post shows a complete lack of understanding, and simply makes you look rather silly.

I started an Olympic post just as I did in 2012 (i was on holiday for 2016). That thread worked okay as there were contributions from some others.

This time around the contributions from others has been limited and clearly the games thread isn’t that interesting to the wider forumites. However, I still find the games fun and so I am continuing to report on the progress of Team GB (there is nothing political - I happen to be British and so follow my country’s athletes). It would be nice if there was participation from others and highlighting their countries stories, but clearly no one feels the desire to do so and that’s fine.

But you’ve decided to bring the British Empire(?) into it. Were you drunk when you posted that? You know the British Empire is over yes? You do understand that right? Where has the ‘British Empire’ featured in my posts? And ‘conquered Ireland’. You clearly have no understanding of Ireland (or much else really). I made one congratulatory comment I believe, about the Irish winning their first gold in rowing - and you seek to turn that into something political.

I started the thread, but it’s not mine, it’s for anyone that wants to post - of any nationality.

Let me give you some well meaning advice. Don’t post when drunk - or if you weren’t drunk, then don’t post at all because you simply embarrass yourself.




jwarrenw13 -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/2/2021 4:11:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer


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ORIGINAL: Sieben

God. what a bunch of screwballs. If I'd known this forum was a private chat room for loony tunes, I would never have posted here.

I didn't mean you, Zorch. Thank you for trying.


You're new here I can see.

This forum, General Discussions, IS basically a bunch of mostly well meaning old men, but we have some who couldn't care less for the rules let alone civil discourse. It's 2021, and if you want 'friendly' and 'accurate', and 'non political' commentary on social media, well, you are living in a delusion. It's the internet, where facts never matter, and opinions are rarely worth much, and everyone knows better than the other person.


As a well meaning old man, I agree with you. I saw the subject line and thought, okay, this thread will be locked soon. Didn't even bother to read the original post, just kind of scrolled to the bottom to see where it was heading. I frankly don't see how the subject can be discussed without it becoming political. And your assessment of the internet is accurate.




Zorch -> RE: Delta Variant - please no politics (8/2/2021 4:30:12 AM)

I'll make one more post before I give up. RJ, you made some allegations earlier in this thread.

Fauci said that masks don't help - even when he knew that masks helped. So he is a liar.
The vaccine never could prevent people from getting it, it helps to prevent it from becoming systemic that is, if you don't suddenly drop dead within the hour of becoming vaccinated or having a lot of other side affects


Please specify your source for these. Did you Fact Check your source to see if it was fake? If you won't give your source, why should we believe your statements? Just saying you heard it on the news or internet is meaningless.

According to https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations 4.14 billion doses of vaccine have been administered. That's a lot. Please tell me how many 'drop dead within the hour'. I know I didn't.

Dr. Fauci on the Delta Variant: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anthony-fauci-covid-19-unvaccinated-americans-delta-variant-face-the-nation/

There's a lot of Covid misinformation out there; let's try not to add to it.




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