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ORIGINAL: Aurelian

Just out of curiosity, is it possible to make it a hidden thread/forum accessible by invitation only?

I was on a political forum that had that feature. Never seen or knew that forum in a forum existed until I was invited to join.

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ORIGINAL: ElvisJJonesRambo
Been saying that for years, always ignored. No one ever answers.
Why not have all kinds of forums, with disclaimers, acknowledgment, etc.

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ORIGINAL: budd
I’ve been coming to Matrix for a long time. Don’t spend a lot of time in the general forums, usually sticking to games related forums.
That being said, Erik I’ve read your Derby House Principals and, in my opinion, it’s just generalized, subjective pandering. Used to be if it looked like a duck, walked like a duck and quacked like a duck…well, it was a duck. Not so much these days. Most reasonable people can agree that racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. are bad things, but it seems the definition of those things varies quite a bit from person to person in today’s world. Seems we can all agree on the extreme cases but there is a growing movement of having a few objecting voices decide things for us all without really proper discussion beforehand.
As far as the Australian Beauties thread, been there a time or two through the years. Don’t think I’ve ever posted in the thread. You said yourself the thread violated no forum rules yet you closed it anyway, why, to not offend? Stick to your rules or change them.
With that being said, it’s your playground and you can set the rules however you like, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect you to follow your own rules when making decisions like this. Whether the thread is closed or not won’t affect my life, and I’ll still be browsing your forums, that’s not my point.

Have a nice day

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ORIGINAL: operating
I'm wondering how long it will be that pictures of cats will be considered exploiting, or offensive? Something is in the wings that has no end in sight of being censored..! It might not be today's subject, It might might not be today's usage of a language, but sure as heck has all the trappings of a pc culture that is spreading a cloud over most people's Live's. I just find it a abomination and what is even worse that people cower in the pc limelight. It's getting scary to even speak your mind these days due to those who will condemn you for even having an opinion.

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ORIGINAL: operating

I'm wondering how long it will be that pictures of cats will be considered exploiting, or offensive? Something is in the wings that has no end in sight of being censored..! It might not be today's subject, It might might not be today's usage of a language, but sure as heck has all the trappings of a pc culture that is spreading a cloud over most people's Live's. I just find it a abomination and what is even worse that people cower in the pc limelight. It's getting scary to even speak your mind these days due to those who will condemn you for even having an opinion.

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ORIGINAL: vonRocko

One thing I just don't understand. I'm getting old and maybe a little dense, but what is stopping anyone from playing, developing or designing wargames?
Are "Principles" really necessary? Am I to understand that racism and misogyny are keeping people from playing? If so, that is ridiculous. Except for a few people,
I don't know anyones race or true gender here, nor does it matter. If they had an interest in this hobby they would be playing. This is just another feel good fix,
for something that wasn't broken.

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ORIGINAL: Karri

If you don't understand the difference between objectifying and appreciating you should definitely question yourself a bit.

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ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

Nothing says "inclusion" like banning topics of discussion.

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ORIGINAL: ThomasJay

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ORIGINAL: Karri

However, might I direct your attention to threads such as these:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3083586&mpage=371

If I was a woman and wandered to a strategy game forum, I might wander off somewhere else if the most popular thread in there is about objectifying women.

Are you sure thread in question is objectifying women instead appreciating them? [&:]
Okay, I might not understand the difference between the two [8|]

I think what needs to be considered is how prospective female gamers see that post more than the intent of the various posters. A very small sample size, but my 26 year old daughter saw it when she was sitting on the couch by me. Her reaction was it's gross old men and pathetic incels gawking at young women.

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ORIGINAL: Perturabo

Also, MMORPGs have much more female players than wargames and everyone knows how cringe character designs in MMO games usually are.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

But I also recognise that in many areas, things are going too far and the message is being lost and distorted. This sort of nonsense, by people with their own warped agendas, simply plays into the hands of the knuckle-dragging Neanderthals who don’t want progress in the first place.

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ORIGINAL: Perturabo

I think that the main problem is that wargaming is sort of an odd masochistic hobby. Like it requires learning stuff and then after one learning stuff, one realises one can't really enjoy a game ever again, just grumble grumble grumble XD .
That is besides generally not being constructed to be constantly rewarding like most of games are. Like it's a fundamentally elite hobby.

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ORIGINAL: ElvisJJonesRambo

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ORIGINAL: Aurelian

Just out of curiosity, is it possible to make it a hidden thread/forum accessible by invitation only?

I was on a political forum that had that feature. Never seen or knew that forum in a forum existed until I was invited to join.

Been saying that for years, always ignored. No one ever answers.
Why not have all kinds of forums, with disclaimers, acknowledgment, etc.

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ORIGINAL: operating

I'm wondering how long it will be that pictures of cats will be considered exploiting, or offensive? Something is in the wings that has no end in sight of being censored..! It might not be today's subject, It might might not be today's usage of a language, but sure as heck has all the trappings of a pc culture that is spreading a cloud over most people's Live's. I just find it a abomination and what is even worse that people cower in the pc limelight. It's getting scary to even speak your mind these days due to those who will condemn you for even having an opinion.

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ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist

The derby house principles all seem reasonable.

Regarding the Australian Beauty thread, i have always found that one to be a bit odd.
Sure this one won't keep a woman from playing if she is already into it but such things do influence the overall image of the company/hobby.

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You said yourself the thread violated no forum rules yet you closed it anyway, why, to not offend? Stick to your rules or change them.

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ORIGINAL: ElvisJJonesRambo

First, I really wouldn't call them "Pin-Ups". Pin-Ups is a term from the Hugh Hefner Playboy era which implies nudity.
Second, who really cares? I don't come to a gaming site to look into a thread with 300+ pages of bunch of old skanks because of their flesh. Maybe they sang a song or were in a movie, who cares. Do those skanks have any meaning beyond that? Far as Hugh Hefner, think he went repented and believed the Gospel and is playing poker with Peter, Paul & Mary. I read in my bible about a place called Hell where I don't want to go. So what kind of weirdos keep a thread alive posting Olivia Newton John album covers? The poor old lady is battling cancer if not dead already. You wanna tap that now? Maybe the Aussies should stop posting their skanks, worrying about a gaming Forum rights. Meanwhile, Aussies cannot walk down the street without police asking them where are the Vax papers. Enjoy Australia. The Chinese bought all the politicians.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: ElvisJJonesRambo

First, I really wouldn't call them "Pin-Ups". Pin-Ups is a term from the Hugh Hefner Playboy era which implies nudity.
Second, who really cares? I don't come to a gaming site to look into a thread with 300+ pages of bunch of old skanks because of their flesh. Maybe they sang a song or were in a movie, who cares. Do those skanks have any meaning beyond that? Far as Hugh Hefner, think he went repented and believed the Gospel and is playing poker with Peter, Paul & Mary. I read in my bible about a place called Hell where I don't want to go. So what kind of weirdos keep a thread alive posting Olivia Newton John album covers? The poor old lady is battling cancer if not dead already. You wanna tap that now? Maybe the Aussies should stop posting their skanks, worrying about a gaming Forum rights. Meanwhile, Aussies cannot walk down the street without police asking them where are the Vax papers. Enjoy Australia. The Chinese bought all the politicians.

warspite1

So I’ve seen you often mention the bible in your posts. You believe youself a Christian but refer to ladies as “skanks”. There are a great many ladies on that thread, of differing talents, abilities and achievements - and you ask if they have any meaning beyond a film or a movie? You are like a guy called Symon (amongst other names) in the WITP-AE thread a few years back. Kept talking about the bible and religion, but was the most disgusting individual. Skanks? What is wrong with you?

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If this forum has someone who condems you with rude language, report to forum moderators. If you get banned from this forum for posting pictures of cats or whatever else, go find another forum. Gab (social media platform) has groups (comparable to subforums here) dedicated for wargames. Moderation over there could be more lax than over here, but it's got mute and block buttons for you (this Matrix forum has it too). I am aware about mass spamming & trolling on social media. If one platform gets untenable, ditch it and make an account on another one.

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ORIGINAL: ElvisJJonesRambo

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: ElvisJJonesRambo

First, I really wouldn't call them "Pin-Ups". Pin-Ups is a term from the Hugh Hefner Playboy era which implies nudity.
Second, who really cares? I don't come to a gaming site to look into a thread with 300+ pages of bunch of old skanks because of their flesh. Maybe they sang a song or were in a movie, who cares. Do those skanks have any meaning beyond that? Far as Hugh Hefner, think he went repented and believed the Gospel and is playing poker with Peter, Paul & Mary. I read in my bible about a place called Hell where I don't want to go. So what kind of weirdos keep a thread alive posting Olivia Newton John album covers? The poor old lady is battling cancer if not dead already. You wanna tap that now? Maybe the Aussies should stop posting their skanks, worrying about a gaming Forum rights. Meanwhile, Aussies cannot walk down the street without police asking them where are the Vax papers. Enjoy Australia. The Chinese bought all the politicians.

warspite1

So I’ve seen you often mention the bible in your posts. You believe youself a Christian but refer to ladies as “skanks”. There are a great many ladies on that thread, of differing talents, abilities and achievements - and you ask if they have any meaning beyond a film or a movie? You are like a guy called Symon (amongst other names) in the WITP-AE thread a few years back. Kept talking about the bible and religion, but was the most disgusting individual. Skanks? What is wrong with you?

The first page is full of lusting comments about another man's wife.

Is it any wonder that Erik closed the thread?

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ORIGINAL: OldSarge

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

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ORIGINAL: bayonetbrant
Not denying that Erik is motivated by expanding the player base as a whole - something the industry everywhere would benefit from. But the Derby House Principles were originally developed by and focused on the professional / NatSec world.

Yes, but the statement was not limited to that, despite its origins and therefore the community here where you originally copied that announcement deserved a chance to discuss it and understand my point of view on this.

Regards,

- Erik

Thank you, Erik. I understood the intent of the original statement and am a bit surprised that it got misconstrued. As the Bard of Avon might say, much ado about nothing! Time to dust off the old Kenneth Branagh collection.

I've always tried to follow the Golden Rule so there isn't much to fuss about here. The old Bard must be having a good laugh! [:D]

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: ElvisJJonesRambo

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: ElvisJJonesRambo

First, I really wouldn't call them "Pin-Ups". Pin-Ups is a term from the Hugh Hefner Playboy era which implies nudity.
Second, who really cares? I don't come to a gaming site to look into a thread with 300+ pages of bunch of old skanks because of their flesh. Maybe they sang a song or were in a movie, who cares. Do those skanks have any meaning beyond that? Far as Hugh Hefner, think he went repented and believed the Gospel and is playing poker with Peter, Paul & Mary. I read in my bible about a place called Hell where I don't want to go. So what kind of weirdos keep a thread alive posting Olivia Newton John album covers? The poor old lady is battling cancer if not dead already. You wanna tap that now? Maybe the Aussies should stop posting their skanks, worrying about a gaming Forum rights. Meanwhile, Aussies cannot walk down the street without police asking them where are the Vax papers. Enjoy Australia. The Chinese bought all the politicians.

warspite1

So I’ve seen you often mention the bible in your posts. You believe youself a Christian but refer to ladies as “skanks”. There are a great many ladies on that thread, of differing talents, abilities and achievements - and you ask if they have any meaning beyond a film or a movie? You are like a guy called Symon (amongst other names) in the WITP-AE thread a few years back. Kept talking about the bible and religion, but was the most disgusting individual. Skanks? What is wrong with you?

The first page is full of lusting comments about another man's wife.

Is it any wonder that Erik closed the thread?

warspite1

You may wish to read the first line of your post 69. Helps if you keep your story straight and not bend and twist over what you believe just to suit each argument. “lusting comments about another man’s wife”?? Are you for real?

Erik has explained why he closed the thread. We can agree to disagree, but its gone, its done and nothing is going to change that.

By the way, have you seen the definition of Skank - a word you think is appropriate to describe ladies generally?