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Ron Saueracker -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/21/2004 4:07:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Cmdrcain



In USa Smoking really never has been a "right" and I think sometimes people think too many things are a "right"




But handguns and assault rifles are. Hmmmm.[;)] What gets me is that people are so into restricting smoker's freedoms (hey, a legal product) that they completely block out the utter single-mindedness of the witch hunt. Can't smoke on patios, outside doorways within a minimum distance etc. This is Draconian. But it's OK to have indoor unventilated monster truck shows, have diesel generators warming pation, allow buses and other vehicles idle next to doorways and entrances. Massive double standard. The internal combustion engine is the singlular worst killer of our environment and is the greatest single polluter of our air quality but it has never been argued by any government or anti-smoking activist group that these vehicles "infringe on the rights" of those who would rather not breath in the fumes and exhaust associated with them. Hell, smog level reports are aired on the weather channel, like smog is a natural occuring phenomena. Blows my mind.[:)]

Allow smoking in bars and patios...they are the last refuge of the smoker.[8D]



esteban -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/21/2004 5:31:01 PM)

As I remember, somebody asked a USN admiral why the navy had stopped naming submarines after fish. His answer was "Fish don't vote."

So now, we get submarines named after cities and states and aircraft carriers named after politicians.



Chijohnaok2 -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/21/2004 5:48:44 PM)

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How do you feel about the USS Winston Churchill ?

The only US ship named after a non US citizen.

Personally think was a good choice.

Actually, it isn't. There is also USS Compte De Grasse (DD 974). Dunno if he counts as an American or not, but there is the USS Casimir Pulaski (SSBN 633).


Let's not forget about the nuclear ballistic missile submarine USS Von Steuben, which was named after a Prussian military officer who came to the Colonies to fight for General Washington. Von Steubeb became a citized after the Revolutionary War.

You can read more about this sub at: http://navysite.de/ssbn/ssbn632.htm



Chijohnaok2 -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/21/2004 6:04:04 PM)

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Laws on smoking indoors are good, I always got out of house as a boy, while my aunt wasn't allowed to smoke in the house on visits she sure stank of smoke and I'm allergic..


Smoking indoors sometimes has its advantages. When Hurricane Charley recently blew through Florida, a man who was at a "hurricane party" decided not to offend his fellow party goers and stepped outside the house to have a smoke. Unfortunately for him, the 100+mph winds blew over a nearby banyan tree and struck him dead.

And before someone goes onto to throw in a bad pun, I will do it myself: "Smoking Can Kill!".



Mike Scholl -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/21/2004 7:58:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Cmdrcain

Laws on smoking indoors are good, I always got out of house as a boy, while my aunt wasn't allowed to smoke in the house on visits she sure stank of smoke and I'm allergic..

Smoking/non-smoking areas never were workable in places either, air circulates, the smoke could still affect people also there were always people who would ignore signs and sit and eat and smoke in non-smoking areas.

In USa Smoking really never has been a "right" and I think sometimes people think too many things are a "right"


As a life-long smoker allow me to say that I don't have any major objections to the
general restrictions..., Americans have to have somebody to discriminate against, and
doing it by race or nationality is no longer "PC". I won't even mention that while Blacks
were allowed at least the "back of the bus", smokers are not. But is it too much to ask
for at least "reasonable access" to a smoking area? In Atlanta's airport, it can be a
quater-mile walk and a train ride to one of the two "smoking lounges". At Chicago it
can be a half-mile walk. Here in California I've been told "No Smoking Allowed" even
OUTSIDE a number of buildings. Personally, I'm looking forward to the day when the
tide shifts again and we can start arresting these clowns who play lousy music on their
sound systems so loudly that you can hear it two lanes away with your windows rolled
up. My ears have rights too.



Titanwarrior89 -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/21/2004 8:24:17 PM)

Their are two U.S. DD running around in the game, that have "MY" first and the other my last name. I tried to protect these two.[:D]



joey -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/21/2004 10:44:12 PM)

I am waiting for the USS Bill Clinton and John Kerry. It won't know which way to go, but the sex will be great!!!



panda124c -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/21/2004 10:54:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

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ORIGINAL: neuromancer

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ORIGINAL: William Amos

How do you feel about the USS Winston Churchill ?

The only US ship named after a non US citizen.

Personally think was a good choice.


I know a guy serving in the USN (USS Stout), and he tends to agree.


For true entertainment value, ask him his opinion on 'Female ships' (ships with women among the enlisted crew).


Didn't HMCS Protecteur (should be spelled Protector) have to cut short a Gulf deployment a few years back because half the crew "were expecting?" Pretty sad. Getting the clap was not a big enough deal to effect a ships operational readiness. This is silly. Same as having all French speaking crews in the Canadian naval service. Let's purposely complicate communication issues. Political correctness blows the big one.

Isn't if a court marshallable offence to engage in an activity that renders a member of the military unsuitable for duty?????

I've always wondered about this. [>:]



Theng -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/22/2004 12:58:01 AM)

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I am waiting for the USS Bill Clinton and John Kerry. It won't know which way to go, but the sex will be great!!!



I guess we will see then the USS Dick Cheney withdrawn from combat on day one of the conflict since "it has other priorities" and the USS GW Bush will be in dry dock protecting South Padre Island from invaders while half around the globe the less privileged ones get sunk and die for their country.



esteban -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/22/2004 1:45:38 AM)

Winston Churchill was actually made an honorary U.S. citizen before he died. So I guess it's fair to name a ship for him.

Maybe we can make the U.S.S. William Clinton some kind of fleet oiler, constantly getting sucked dry by the frigates U.S.S. Lewinski and U.S.S. Paula Jones. In honor of it's role, and a great American naval hero, the Clinton will be nicknamed "the Paula Jones's John"!!! :)

The U.S.S. Kerry could be some kind of Q/stealth ship. Throwing the enemy off by reporting that it is 5 miles inside Camobodia, when it is actually serving Christmas dinner in Vietnam, or lulling our enemies into a false sense of security by getting itself shot up 3 times in a 4 month tour of duty, then returning home to accuse the rest of the navy of being war criminals.

The U.S.S. George W. Bush could be an aircraft carrier, but opponents won't see the ship because it will hide behind a giant "Mission Accomplished!" banner that somebody (nobody knows who) put up.

The U.S.S. Dick Cheney can be a command ship, sending coded orders to the George W. Bush, processing government contracts for major oil companies, and seldom being seen in public, because it is at "an undisclosed location".



madmickey -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/22/2004 2:06:48 AM)

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JF Kennedy? good name, esxpecially cuz jfk was in the navy


I was always under the impression that the Navy never swallowed JFK, because he escaped being court-martialled when he lost his boat and got a medal instead...

I may be wrong, but I don't think Navy liked JFK nearly as much as they liked Nimitz, Halsey and other real sea dogs.

F.



Not that a really dislike JFK as President (lousy personal life, but as Democratic Presidents go, really one of the best), nor do I question his service to his country or his courage . . . but . . .

That was really some trick getting a 80ft 38ton PT Boat rammed by a 378ft 2100ton destroyer. A corageous man, but not necessarily the greatest PT-Boat skipper of all time. Actually, President Kennedy probably said it best when asked how he became a war hero: "It was absolutely involuntary; they sank my boat."


Nimits Texans
I agree with you on some issues on JFK I could not care less about his personal life (he did not lie under oath) liked his tax cuts and optimism. But the Soviets thought he was weak based on Berlin Wall crisis and his Vienna Summit prompting the Cuban crisis. I also doubt he would have done anything significantly different than LBJ on Vietnam.
LBJ got a Silver Star for flying on a plane. He was a congressman then.



MasterChief -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/22/2004 5:55:47 PM)

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Being a 23 year submariner, I still cringe thinking that we missed such a great opp to return to our heritage and name the new class of fast attacks after fish! Perhaps starting with the top five sub aces of the war and work from there. Instead we get VIRGINIA... no offense to that great state, but it's just not right!!! On the other hand I just got orders to a ship who's name sake epitomizes the American Fighting Spirit ...USS THE SULLIVANS DDG 68


Master Chief, How do you feel, as a 23 year submarine veteran, about going onto a vessel designed to hunt subs? Or are the SSNs now considered to be the only sub hunters in a carrier TF?


Always been a big supporter of the total warfighting team! The Tin Can Navy's heritage is just as rich as our submarine heritage!! I'm looking forward to the challenge! Besides, I'm all for anything that hunts the "BAD GUYS" submarines regardless of platform or warefare community. Hell, if the Marines ever figure out a way to take out a KILO running on batteries, I'll give them a healthy ooh-raw and join on up!! [;)]


Have you had a chance to participate in exercises with the Upholders in RN service or as ignorantly named Canadian Victoria, Windsor, Corner Brook and Cretien's home town. Really sad naming calls as they are place names YET again.

Ask because they are supposed to be leaps and bounds ahaean of Kilos and Collins class boats in quietness.


Don't want to get to indepth on this for obvious reasons, suffice it to say that any modern conventional sub, running on batteries and operating in high background noise environments (ie littoral waters) presents a major challenge for nuc boats. This is where training and crew competance makes the difference.



LargeSlowTarget -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/23/2004 7:42:00 PM)

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Maybe we can make the U.S.S. William Clinton some kind of fleet oiler, constantly getting sucked dry by the frigates U.S.S. Lewinski and U.S.S. Paula Jones. In honor of it's role, and a great American naval hero, the Clinton will be nicknamed "the Paula Jones's John"!!! :)



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Twotribes -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/23/2004 8:13:08 PM)

I dont think any State has term limits on US Congressman or US Senators. Some Govenors and the President of the US have term Limits though.



Tankerace -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/23/2004 10:19:32 PM)

As far as names go, I'd like to see a modification of the way it was (and IMO, should be)

Carriers: Named after battles
Battleships and SSBNs: Named after states
Cruisers: Named after cities
Destroyers: Named after people
Submarines (SSN): Named after fish or aquatic life.

The old ways are the best!



DrewMatrix -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/23/2004 10:22:58 PM)

The harsh reality is, if you want a Senate committee to approve new ship construction, you are more likely to get the ships if the committee members have a shot (then or after they retire) at having ships named after them.

So I guess the navy would rather have the ship with a politician's name than no ship at all[:D]



Tankerace -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/23/2004 10:48:37 PM)

This reminds me of a book I saw at my local Border's book store. In it, a US CVBG from the year 2015 travels back in time to the battle of Midway in 1942. One of the ships was the USS Hillary Rodham Clinton, which was a George W. Bush class aircraft carrier! LOL[:D]

Needless to say, I put the book down and walked away.



anarchyintheuk -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/23/2004 10:50:20 PM)

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The harsh reality is, if you want a Senate committee to approve new ship construction, you are more likely to get the ships if the committee members have a shot (then or after they retire) at having ships named after them.

So I guess the navy would rather have the ship with a politician's name than no ship at all[:D]



What could explain the USS Manlove (DE-36)?



LargeSlowTarget -> anarchy (8/24/2004 11:46:27 AM)

A Sex Pistols Fanboy on this forum? [8D]



strawbuk -> RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names (8/24/2004 12:31:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tankerace

Submarines (SSN): Named after fish or aquatic life.

The old ways are the best!


hmm...USS Sea Cucumber?



strawbuk -> RE: anarchy (8/24/2004 12:37:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

A Sex Pistols Fanboy on this forum? [8D]


Indeed - Clash might be more WITP appropriate, very useful for weighing up DEI evacuations ie 'Should I stay of should I go, Should I stay of should I go, If I go there will be trouble, If I stay it will be double..'

BTW LST, erstwhile PacWar oppo, you and the LSM(R) launched a LVT onto beach yet?



LargeSlowTarget -> RE: anarchy (8/24/2004 5:25:56 PM)

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BTW LST, erstwhile PacWar oppo, you and the LSM(R) launched a LVT onto beach yet?



Guess why I haven't sent any PacWar turns in the past weeks. The LVT has arrived July 26th - it's an LVT(A)1, the variant with the gun. Kid and mother keep me well occupied when I'm home. The urge to play is painful, but 'She who must be obeyed' has become very huffy about my favorite hobby - couldn't even touch WitP for two weeks now [:(] At work, I can browse the forum, but playing is impossible. I need a different job...



anarchyintheuk -> RE: anarchy (8/24/2004 6:19:16 PM)

First band that made me want to put my fist through glass. That's a good thing . . . I think. Anyway, I used it as a name on a MUD i used to play. Just love the sound of it. [:)]



LargeSlowTarget -> @ Strawbuk (8/24/2004 6:56:57 PM)

Hey Phil, I've changed my Email address (and lost yours *again* [:o]), pls check my profile and sent me a note...



neuromancer -> RE: @ Strawbuk (8/24/2004 11:29:17 PM)

This is one of the weirdest discussions I've ever seen.

And I've participated in it!



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