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racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (8/28/2005 3:13:45 AM)
SITUATION REPORT: 11-12-43 SEAC: BATTLE FOR BANDOU 75,000 Allied troops launch a deliberate attack on 22,000 IJA. At 3:1 odds, the fortifications are reduced to level one and another attack is ordered for tomorrow. [image]local://upfiles/14495/3F673EE1BF29449D9D15C30651386929.jpg[/image]

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (8/29/2005 5:38:21 AM)
SITUATION REPORT: 11-13-43 SEAC: Allies liberate Bandou in a 12:1 attack and force the IJA to retreat towards Songkhia. Meanwhile IJA units manage to cross the river from Bangkok to invest Allied units without having to conduct a shock attack. [image]local://upfiles/14495/4DAEC6E2EDC246DF822795F95F9D7220.jpg[/image]

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (8/30/2005 7:12:52 AM)
SITUATION REPORT: 11-19-43 SWPAC: INVASION OF WOLEAI...D-DAY MINUS 2 CV and land based aircraft blast Japanese troops on Woleai as the assault ships plod forward from New Guinea. [image]local://upfiles/14495/D75C0345648B4374B3FEB11C0C43E846.jpg[/image]

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (8/30/2005 6:12:43 PM)
SWPAC WARPLANS: WINTER 1943 SWPAC will be conducting an offensive into the Ulithi/Palau island group as we approach the end of 1943. To provide air support for this offensive, SWPAC goes ashore at Woleia tomorrow to secure a forward airbase. Palau will be used as a staging area for the SWPAC offensive into the PI currently scheduled for summer 1944. Ulithi will provide a forward airbase to cover the CENTPAC advance into the Marianas currently scheduled for spring 1944. [image]local://upfiles/14495/94FF36A8EC9E4854A699B3AEA9BDE62E.jpg[/image]

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (8/30/2005 9:32:38 PM)
SITUATION REPORT: 11-21-43 SWPAC: INVASION OF WOLEAI After 48 hours of naval bombardment by 12 BBs and 15 CAs and 2 weeks of nearly continuous aerial bombardment by 600+ heavy bombers, the Allies storm ashore today with 2 Infantry Divisions, 2 Infantry Brigades and 2 Armored Batallions. Both sides suffer 1000+ casualties in the resulting shock attack and the Japanese retain control of the base. Allied naval losses are heavy in the assault: [image]local://upfiles/14495/6F300C32DE8245DA9993319BA8974B02.jpg[/image]

Capt. Harlock -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (8/30/2005 10:17:48 PM)
quote: Both sides suffer 1000+ casualties in the resulting shock attack and the Japanese retain control of the base. Allied naval losses are heavy in the assault: After that kind of pre-invasion pounding? I'm starting to wonder about game's modeling of coast defences.

Widell -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (8/30/2005 10:49:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock After that kind of pre-invasion pounding? I'm starting to wonder about game's modeling of coast defences. I think the problem is in the modelling of hexes and unit stacking. A hex is a hex is a hex (well, almost at least), and if there´s plenty of troops in the hex, the model won´t care if it´s a piece of rock in the middle of the ocean, or if it´s 60 x 60 km of jungle or grass fields. This also means that the pounding is equal for the piece of rock as well as the jungle hex Unfortunate but not likely to change(?) with the current game engine. This was discussed in a couple of other threads where the French Frigate Shoals had been turned into somehting close to the De La Guardia Airport and had a large number of B-29 formations based there. There was also a thread where more than 50,000 troops had been based on a barren atoll somewhere . Not only that, but they where being attacked by another 50,000 troops -> More than 100,000 fighting soldier on a coral reef /Robert

Belphegor -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (8/31/2005 2:12:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock quote: Both sides suffer 1000+ casualties in the resulting shock attack and the Japanese retain control of the base. Allied naval losses are heavy in the assault: After that kind of pre-invasion pounding? I'm starting to wonder about game's modeling of coast defences. The pre-invasion pounding did a lot of damage you aren't seeing there. That kind of shipping damage is nothing to the Allied player at this stage of the war. The results of the pre-pounding is the loss of Woleai in two turns. [:(]

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (8/31/2005 8:48:21 PM)
I know that playing the Japanese at this stage in the war is very difficult and its got to be a bummer to be constantly losing bases and retreating......but I think it would be helpful for the readers to see the relative damage caused by both sides weapons in the bombardment model. My recon showed that the Japanese had 3 units (17,000 troops) on Woleai. Only one unit was a ground unit...the 1st South Seas Detachment . The other 2 units were probably engineer or base units. Lets start with the naval bombardment first. The Japanese had maybe 6-12 4" and 5" guns max. The Allies had 12 BBs with 100-105 14", 15" and 16" guns. The Allies had 15 CAs with 125-130 8" guns. On the 1st day of bombardment, it looked like the Allied bombardment TFs were getting some pretty good hits. Here is how my bombardments looked on the 2nd day which was D-Day: Naval bombardment of Woleai, at 57,72 - Coastal Guns Fire Back! 19 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships CA Australia CA San Francisco CA Astoria, Shell hits 1 CA Louisville CA Northampton BB Alabama BB Massachusetts BB Indiana, Shell hits 5 BB Washington Japanese ground losses: 6 casualties reported Airbase hits 1 Runway hits 16 Port supply hits 2 Naval bombardment of Woleai, at 57,72 Allied Ships CL Mauritius CA Suffolk CA Salt Lake City CA Chicago CA Houston CA Indianapolis BC Repulse BB Warspite BB Pennsylvania BB Colorado Japanese ground losses: 15 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 10 Port hits 1 Port supply hits 1 Naval bombardment of Woleai, at 57,72 - Coastal Guns Fire Back! 20 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships CL Newcastle CL Emerald CL Java CA Frobisher CA Cornwall CA Devonshire CA Shropshire, Shell hits 8 BB Resolution BB Royal Sovereign BB Revenge BB Valiant Japanese ground losses: 124 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 4 So my bombarment TFs killed about 149 troops and 3 guns. I thought that the Japanese losses were low because there was nothing left but then here was the Japanese coastal defense response: Coastal Guns at Woleai, 57,72, firing at TF 1292 TF 1292 troops unloading over beach at Woleai, 57,72 614 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships DD Nicholas, Shell hits 2, on fire DD Farenholt AP Van Cloon CL Raleigh, Shell hits 2 CL De Ruyter, Shell hits 12 AP Empire Pride DD Tjerk Hiddes AP Mount McKinley, Shell hits 1 LCI LCI-331, Shell hits 4 MSW Grebe, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage LCI LCI-85, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage LST LST-450, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage LST LST-34 LST LST-30, Shell hits 1 AP Latimer AP Wanganella, Shell hits 5, on fire AP Arthur Middleton, Shell hits 4 AP Crescent City DD Hammann, Shell hits 4, on fire AP President Fillmore Allied ground losses: 4039 casualties reported Guns lost 7 And again: Coastal Guns at Woleai, 57,72, firing at TF 1292 TF 1292 troops unloading over beach at Woleai, 57,72 283 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships AP Zealandia, Shell hits 1, on fire AP Dardanus, Shell hits 8, on fire AP Empire Chivalry DD Nicholas, Shell hits 2 LST LST-450, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage AP Westralia AP Wanganella, Shell hits 8, on fire DD Arunta, Shell hits 1 AP Sumter, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage Japanese ground losses: 26 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 949 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Vehicles lost 2 At least this time the 17 6", 40 5" and 150 4" and 3" guns in my assault TF caused 26 Japanese casualties. Now this all occured after 2 weeks of aerial bombardment by 600+ heavy bombers. I forgot to mention that the last 2 days prior to the invasion there were also 450 CV bombers. So on 10/19/43 and 10/20/43 there were 1000+ plane raids......that is starting to get up there with the fire bombing of Hamburg and Dresden and certainly much more than the carpet bombing that preceded Operation Cobra, Operation Goodwood and the assault on Monte Cassino. The Allies lost 25+ DDs, MSWs, APs and LSTs when they assaulted 30,000 IJA at Port Moresby in May 1943. I can only imagine what awaits at much more heavily defended islands such as Ulithi, Palau, Guam, Tinian, Saipan, Iwo Jima and Okinawa. Nevertheless, the Allies WILL assault right into the teeth of the Japanese defenses.

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (8/31/2005 9:23:44 PM)
SITUATION REPORT: 11-22-43 SWPAC: INVASION OF WOLEAI In another shock attack, 8200 IJA were killed and the Allies took control of the bases on Woleai. A deliberate attack is ordered for tomorrow to mop up. SEAC: The Japanese have formed a 50,000 man roadblock at Songkhia. Major air battles rage overhead as both sides fight for air supremacy. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/22/43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coastal Guns at Woleai, 57,72, firing at TF 1292 TF 1292 troops unloading over beach at Woleai, 57,72 9 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships LST Empire Battleaxe Allied ground losses: 35 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Woleai, at 57,72 Allied Ships CA Australia CA San Francisco CA Astoria CA Louisville CA Northampton BB Alabama BB Massachusetts BB Indiana BB Washington Japanese ground losses: 57 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Runway hits 21 Port hits 2 Port supply hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Woleai, at 57,72 Allied Ships CL Mauritius CA Suffolk CA Salt Lake City CA Chicago CA Houston CA Indianapolis BC Repulse BB Warspite BB Pennsylvania BB Colorado Japanese ground losses: 20 casualties reported Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 10 Port hits 2 Port supply hits 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naval bombardment of Woleai, at 57,72 Allied Ships CL Newcastle CL Emerald CL Java CA Frobisher CA Cornwall CA Devonshire CA Shropshire BB Resolution BB Royal Sovereign BB Revenge BB Valiant Japanese ground losses: 10 casualties reported Runway hits 11 Port supply hits 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Woleai , at 57,72 Allied aircraft F-5C Lightning x 2 No Allied losses -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 38th Division, at 24,43 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 8 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 21 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 3 Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 5 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 20 Liberator VI x 39 P-40N Warhawk x 36 B-25J Mitchell x 26 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 6 destroyed, 4 damaged Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 4 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Blenheim IV: 3 damaged Liberator VI: 4 damaged P-40N Warhawk: 9 destroyed, 3 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 3 damaged Japanese ground losses: 158 casualties reported Guns lost 5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 46th Division, at 24,43 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 7 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 16 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 3 Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 3 Allied aircraft Spitfire VIII x 14 Thunderbolt II x 14 Vengeance I x 48 Beaufighter VIC x 44 Beaufort V-IX x 6 P-40N Warhawk x 21 Japanese aircraft losses A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 15 destroyed Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 3 destroyed Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 3 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Vengeance I: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged Beaufighter VIC: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged P-40N Warhawk: 1 destroyed Japanese ground losses: 43 casualties reported Guns lost 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 46th Division, at 24,43 Japanese aircraft A6M5 Zeke x 4 Allied aircraft Liberator VI x 24 P-40N Warhawk x 4 Japanese aircraft losses No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses Liberator VI: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 57 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st South Seas Det. , at 57,72 Allied aircraft Liberator VI x 11 P-38J Lightning x 55 PB4Y Liberator x 66 B-24D Liberator x 13 B-24J Liberator x 48 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 228 casualties reported Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st South Seas Det. , at 57,72 Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 75 F-5C Lightning x 3 PB4Y Liberator x 61 B-24J Liberator x 62 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 212 casualties reported Guns lost 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on 1st South Seas Det. , at 57,72 Allied aircraft PB4Y Liberator x 16 B-24D Liberator x 23 B-24J Liberator x 62 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 133 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Woleai , at 57,72 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 FM-2 Wildcat x 4 F6F Hellcat x 74 Hellcat II x 12 F4U-1 Corsair x 6 Barracuda x 6 TBM Avenger x 171 Avenger II x 7 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 5 casualties reported Port hits 4 Port supply hits 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Woleai , at 57,72 Allied aircraft F-5C Lightning x 1 Allied aircraft losses F-5C Lightning: 1 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Kwajalein , at 79,79 Allied aircraft B-24J Liberator x 43 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 39 casualties reported Port fuel hits 2 Port supply hits 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Ponape , at 71,79 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft P-38J Lightning x 15 B-25J Mitchell x 98 Japanese aircraft losses No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses B-25J Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 15 damaged Japanese ground losses: 80 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Airbase hits 10 Airbase supply hits 9 Runway hits 71 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Air attack on Rabaul , at 61,88 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 5 P-38J Lightning x 24 A-20G Havoc x 51 Allied aircraft losses A-20G Havoc: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 20 casualties reported Runway hits 10 Port hits 4 Port fuel hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Songkhia Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 32735 troops, 313 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 50870 troops, 404 guns, 105 vehicles Japanese ground losses: 99 casualties reported -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Woleai Allied Shock attack Attacking force 26252 troops, 223 guns, 148 vehicles Defending force 9739 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles Allied assault odds: 219 to 1 (fort level 1) Allied forces CAPTURE Woleai base !!! Japanese ground losses: 8239 casualties reported Guns lost 5 Allied ground losses: 192 casualties reported Guns lost 7 [image]local://upfiles/14495/D0386EECBA6943AC860FE80B4F9E61F4.jpg[/image]

Capt. Harlock -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (8/31/2005 10:18:26 PM)
quote: The pre-invasion pounding did a lot of damage you aren't seeing there. That kind of shipping damage is nothing to the Allied player at this stage of the war. The results of the pre-pounding is the loss of Woleai in two turns. As Adm. Spruance points out, he used truly massive firepower -- much more than in any historical invasion. There shouldn't have been much of ANYTHING left. (Note that by the time of the invasion of Okinawa, the Japanese decided not even to contest the landings, since their assets would be chewed up by pre-invasion bombardment.) One question: did Spruance's bombardments reduce the fort level?

AmiralLaurent -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (8/31/2005 10:35:05 PM)
From my recent experience in PH, vs a base heavily damaged by CD guns: _ bombardment TFs seem to be engaged first in a battle against CD units. Only if the CD are too weak they may bomb the base and hit ships, AC, base forces and so on. _ if you have 6 BBs and CD defences are moderate or allready well hurt, it is better to send two bombardment TF in the same phase: one will engage the CD guns only will the other will most of the times "get trough" and blast the base. _ as shown by experiments reported on this forum sometimes ago, LCUs are not really affected by naval bombardments. The problem is that when you land troops in an enemy hex every gun (CD or not) will fire on ships and troops. So you can pound an island for days and no more draw CD gun fire and then land in face of two divisions and receive 2000 shells... By the way in the Woelai example, AdmSpruance BB probably didn't receive now ammo after the first day of bombarment. IJN BBs have nine "shells" per big gun and will fire 6 on the first bombardment run, and then their firepower will be greatly reduced. I guess Allied BB do the same. The main bonus of naval (or air bombardment) is to destroy supply and support squads in the attacked base, then LCUs need extra support squads and supplies to fight efficiently.

Belphegor -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/1/2005 4:06:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock quote: The pre-invasion pounding did a lot of damage you aren't seeing there. That kind of shipping damage is nothing to the Allied player at this stage of the war. The results of the pre-pounding is the loss of Woleai in two turns. As Adm. Spruance points out, he used truly massive firepower -- much more than in any historical invasion. There shouldn't have been much of ANYTHING left. (Note that by the time of the invasion of Okinawa, the Japanese decided not even to contest the landings, since their assets would be chewed up by pre-invasion bombardment.) One question: did Spruance's bombardments reduce the fort level? It did not reduce the fort level. On the other hand it didn't need to (not saying it should or should not have, just providing info). I have a fort level 9. I had at least an entire Bde on the island. IN the first turn Allied landing shock attack the fort was reduced to level 1 and I lost all units completely except for the Bde which was pretty much completely disrupted and demoralized, and over 1/2 disabled troops of all elements.

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/1/2005 5:10:31 PM)
SITUATION REPORT: 11-27-43 SWPAC: SWPAC bombers start working over the next amphibious assault targets at Palau and Ulithi by taking out the airfields: Day Air attack on Palau , at 52,67 Japanese aircraft no flights Allied aircraft PBY Catalina x 5 P-38J Lightning x 23 PB4Y Liberator x 20 B-24D Liberator x 25 B-24J Liberator x 83 Japanese aircraft losses C5M Babs: 4 destroyed E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged Japanese ground losses: 53 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Airbase hits 10 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 66 Day Air attack on Ulithi , at 55,67 Allied aircraft PB4Y Liberator x 105 B-24J Liberator x 69 Allied aircraft losses PB4Y Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 99 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 9 Airbase supply hits 10 Runway hits 68 SEAC: After getting thrown out of Krung Thep and back across the river a few weeks ago, SEAC forces cross the river upstream from Krung Thep and now 9 divisions threaten an end run around Japanese defenses to cut off Bangkok. Only the IJA 104th Division stands in the way. SEAC bombers hit the 104th: Day Air attack on 104th Division, at 30,40 Allied aircraft Beaufighter VIC x 28 P-40N Warhawk x 23 B-25J Mitchell x 63 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 211 casualties reported Guns lost 7 And again: Day Air attack on 104th Division, at 30,40 Allied aircraft Liberator VI x 9 Beaufighter Mk 21 x 58 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 186 casualties reported Guns lost 4 The 104th Division attempts a desperate counterattack only to suffer heavy losses: Ground combat at 30,40 Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 17966 troops, 95 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 22529 troops, 173 guns, 0 vehicles Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 910 casualties reported Guns lost 11 Allied ground losses: 7 casualties reported In Malaya, the Japanese try to slow the SEAC offensive by sending a surface TF into Victoria Point harbor to work over Allied shipping. Allied shipping retreats out of harms way but Allied bombers from Victoria Point and Tavoy make the IJN surface raiders pay the next day as a CL and 6 DDs are heavily damaged: Day Air attack on TF at 24,40 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 3 Liberator VI x 11 B-25J Mitchell x 9 Allied aircraft losses Blenheim IV: 1 damaged Liberator VI: 2 damaged Japanese Ships CL Isuzu, Bomb hits 2 And again: Day Air attack on TF at 24,40 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 23 Liberator VI x 53 B-25J Mitchell x 26 Allied aircraft losses Blenheim IV: 2 damaged Liberator VI: 5 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 2 damaged Japanese Ships CL Isuzu, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage DD Satsuki, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Akebono DD Asagiri DD Kamikaze DD Makinami And again: Day Air attack on TF at 24,40 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 3 Liberator VI x 34 B-25J Mitchell x 30 Allied aircraft losses Liberator VI: 1 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Japanese Ships DD Akebono, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage DD Asagiri, Bomb hits 1 DD Kamikaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Hamakaze, Bomb hits 3, on fire DD Makinami, Bomb hits 1, on fire And again: Day Air attack on TF at 24,40 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 9 No Allied losses Japanese Ships CL Isuzu, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Aircraft Attacking: 1 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet 4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet Both sides reinforce at Songkhia for the upcoming battle as the Allies have now massed 7 arty regiments and 6 armored regiments: Ground combat at Songkhia Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 53724 troops, 488 guns, 959 vehicles Defending force 51201 troops, 419 guns, 114 vehicles Japanese ground losses: 153 casualties reported Guns lost 1 [image]local://upfiles/14495/D9A172AEA1E346E9B5CC0B9956BBD00A.jpg[/image]

spence -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/1/2005 6:15:28 PM)
It is too bad that naval bombardment was modelled upon a single bombardment by IJN BBs at Guadalcanal. I can't name any instance where the IJN actually conducted an assault landing upon a well fortified beach under cover of naval guns. IJN landings hit essentially undefended or very weakly held coastline, suffering only the perils of the wind and seas in opposition. Almost by the same token CD effects seem to have been modelled on Wake's brief moment of glory (12/11/41) wherein the American defenders dinged up an IJN bombardment/invasion force which itself possessed little firepower and no direct air support. Naval bombardment should have been modelled on the Allied methods wherein large numbers of ships engaged in suppressive fire and FO's called in direct fire by ships and a/c on particularly troublesome enemy positions. Correct me if I am wrong but in one of the hardest fought assault landings Tarawa's 8" guns were unable to inflict any harm on the invasion fleet itself. It's CD units knocked out lots of LTVs and landing craft but no large ships. The Japanese CD artillery positions were all but completely suppressed. Thus the Marines were able to reinforce their tenuous beachhead and eventually overcome the defense. Since (probably) large amounts of code would have to be completely rewritten I guess there is no chance of seeing a better model for either situation.[:(]

Capt. Harlock -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/1/2005 10:14:01 PM)
quote: Correct me if I am wrong but in one of the hardest fought assault landings Tarawa's 8" guns were unable to inflict any harm on the invasion fleet itself. It's CD units knocked out lots of LTVs and landing craft but no large ships. The Japanese CD artillery positions were all but completely suppressed. You are not wrong, but it was by no means a sure thing. One of the American BB's (possibly Maryland) managed to put an armor-piercing shell into the magazine serving all of the 8-inchers on that side of the island. Some historians consider it the luckiest bombardment shot of WWII.

Belphegor -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/2/2005 6:25:18 AM)
more history from my perspective I had no dedicated CD units on Woleai. Only the organic guns of the base forces. These were in supply, but definitely not at peak fighting trim because of the constant air attacks. I think the number of hits on the capital ships bombarding and then the number of hits on the actual invasion TF was reasonable (for this attack) as I did no lasting damage to the capital ships (paint scratches, a little minor damage to the upper works) and did a bit more to the invasion TF which can be assumed to be closer. I'd love to have done more damage than I did, but that wasn't the case. I was also hoping that a level 9 fort might hold out longer. Pounding or no pounding the troops were well supplied and protected. Mostly I was overwhelmed. I had a South Seas Bde, and two base forces only, so not enough fighting defence once the Allies landed.

Bradley7735 -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/2/2005 5:02:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock quote: Correct me if I am wrong but in one of the hardest fought assault landings Tarawa's 8" guns were unable to inflict any harm on the invasion fleet itself. It's CD units knocked out lots of LTVs and landing craft but no large ships. The Japanese CD artillery positions were all but completely suppressed. You are not wrong, but it was by no means a sure thing. One of the American BB's (possibly Maryland) managed to put an armor-piercing shell into the magazine serving all of the 8-inchers on that side of the island. Some historians consider it the luckiest bombardment shot of WWII. IIRC, a ship put a shell directly into the muzzle of a large calibre gun during the Normandy landings. The resulting explosion blew up that gun and at least one more, but I think it was something like 4 in total. The guns were very large, and couldn't be seen from the sea. It was a very lucky shot. At least that's what I read in the book "D-Day" written by that guy who writes a lot of books. (helpful, aren't I?) He also wrote "Citizen Soldiers". I'm sure a few of you know the guy's name.

Belphegor -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/3/2005 5:00:40 AM)
ASW patrols make good pilots. And sink subs... Today's feature shows the Taichu boys. They just keep getting better... [image]local://upfiles/11973/64EEFF55F320493785C48070CB953BA9.jpg[/image]

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/3/2005 6:37:57 AM)
Bradley... I believe the author you are referring to is Stephen Ambrose. SITUATION REPORT: 11-29-43 SEAC: Led by the 3rd and 5th Indian Divisions, SEAC assaults the IJA 104th Division 60 miles east of Bangkok and forces it to retreat back into the city. The Allies are now in a position to cut off IJA forces in Bangkok and Krung Thep. SEAC will lauch a huge deliberate attack at Songkhia tomorrow. [image]local://upfiles/14495/E696AE68CDBB435AB0919E39C1593058.jpg[/image]

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/3/2005 6:48:18 AM)
SITUATION REPORT: 11-30-43 SEAC: All Allied planes within range of Songkhia are sent to bomb ground units inSongkhia: Day Air attack on 43rd Division, at 24,43 Allied aircraft Thunderbolt II x 14 Vengeance I x 50 Beaufighter VIC x 14 P-40N Warhawk x 42 Allied aircraft losses Vengeance I: 1 damaged Beaufighter VIC: 1 damaged P-40N Warhawk: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 64 casualties reported Guns lost 6 Vehicles lost 1 And again: Day Air attack on 43rd Division, at 24,43 Allied aircraft Thunderbolt II x 14 Beaufighter VIC x 42 Beaufort V-IX x 7 P-40N Warhawk x 9 B-25J Mitchell x 39 Allied aircraft losses Beaufighter VIC: 3 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 3 damaged Japanese ground losses: 39 casualties reported Guns lost 4 And again: Day Air attack on 43rd Division, at 24,43 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 20 Liberator VI x 107 B-25J Mitchell x 9 Allied aircraft losses Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed Liberator VI: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 77 casualties reported Guns lost 6 And again: Day Air attack on 46th Division, at 24,43 Allied aircraft Liberator VI x 2 B-25J Mitchell x 18 Allied aircraft losses B-25J Mitchell: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 19 casualties reported SEAC throws 126,000 troops, 2357 vehicles(largest Allied tank action of the war) and 977 guns against the 51,000 IJA defending Songkhia. The Allies suffer 1400 casualties vs 903 IJA and reduce fortifications to level 5. Ground combat at Songkhia Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 126638 troops, 977 guns, 2357 vehicles Defending force 50871 troops, 405 guns, 115 vehicles Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5 Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 5) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 5 Japanese ground losses: 903 casualties reported Guns lost 44 Vehicles lost 12 Allied ground losses: 1423 casualties reported Guns lost 63 Vehicles lost 21 [image]local://upfiles/14495/56B1A1133A7D432BA7572014A7156BB5.jpg[/image]

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/3/2005 7:37:33 PM)
SITUATION REPORT: 12-2-43 SEAC: SEAC bombers continue to soften up Songkhia as the fighting rages on below: Day Air attack on 43rd Division, at 24,43 Allied aircraft Thunderbolt II x 11 Vengeance I x 48 Beaufighter VIC x 13 P-40N Warhawk x 41 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 100 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Day Air attack on 43rd Division, at 24,43 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 8 Liberator VI x 24 B-25J Mitchell x 2 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 60 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Day Air attack on 46th Division, at 24,43 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 21 Liberator VI x 43 B-25J Mitchell x 28 Allied aircraft losses Blenheim IV: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 96 casualties reported Guns lost 1 In 3 days of continuous fighting at Songkhia both sides have suffered about 5000 casualties. The fortifications have now been reduced to level 3: Ground combat at Songkhia Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 121045 troops, 808 guns, 2319 vehicles Defending force 44736 troops, 271 guns, 81 vehicles Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3 Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3 Japanese ground losses: 1759 casualties reported Guns lost 23 Vehicles lost 10 Allied ground losses: 1752 casualties reported Guns lost 77 Vehicles lost 12 SWPAC: Several days of bombing the airfields at Palau and Ulithi have left them totally suppressed. Targeting has now been changed over to prepare for the amphibious assaults. SWPAC Army Air Force (which now has greater bomb carrying capability than 8th Air Force in England) sends nearly 700 bombers against the 2 atolls. Ulithi has only 2 units of which 1 is a combat unit....the 3rd South Seas Detachment. The targeting strategies have changed Woleia due to the ineffectiveness of the previous aerial bombardment. At Ulithi, SWPAC will only target the ground unit until the invasion...the bombardment TFs will be responsible for suppressing any CD guns on the atoll. Day Air attack on 3rd South Seas Det. , at 55,67 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 10 B-25J Mitchell x 138 Allied aircraft losses B-25J Mitchell: 3 damaged Japanese ground losses: 201 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Day Air attack on 3rd South Seas Det. , at 55,67 Allied aircraft PB4Y Liberator x 107 B-24D Liberator x 25 B-24J Liberator x 65 Allied aircraft losses PB4Y Liberator: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 400 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Palau is a different story. Pre-war intelligence reports the existence of several well entrenced 8" CD guns so SWPAC will bombard Palau for a much longer period of time than Woleia was and will concentrate on port bombing at first to knock out the CD guns before suppressing the ground units: Day Air attack on Palau , at 52,67 Allied aircraft PBY Catalina x 5 P-38J Lightning x 23 PB4Y Liberator x 9 B-24D Liberator x 21 B-24J Liberator x 122 Allied aircraft losses PBY Catalina: 2 damaged B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 48 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Port hits 10 Port fuel hits 1 Port supply hits 2 Day Air attack on Palau , at 52,67 Allied aircraft F-5C Lightning x 3 PB4Y Liberator x 65 B-24J Liberator x 66 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 36 casualties reported Port hits 11 Port fuel hits 2 Port supply hits 7 [image]local://upfiles/14495/9D27C20A635E43A3926D5ED7A5083206.jpg[/image]

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/4/2005 3:30:20 AM)
SITUATION REPORT: 12-5-43 SWPAC: SWPAC bombers continue to pound the ground units at Ulithi: Day Air attack on 3rd South Seas Det. , at 55,67 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 6 B-25J Mitchell x 95 Allied aircraft losses B-25J Mitchell: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 183 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Day Air attack on 152nd IJA Base Force, at 55,67 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 3 B-25J Mitchell x 40 Allied aircraft losses B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 124 casualties reported Guns lost 1 SEAC: RAF Bomber Command continues to support the ground offensive into Songkhia which has now lasted almost a week: Day Air attack on 43rd Division, at 24,43 Allied aircraft Thunderbolt II x 14 Vengeance I x 52 Beaufighter VIC x 14 Allied aircraft losses Vengeance I: 2 damaged Beaufighter VIC: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 143 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Day Air attack on 43rd Division, at 24,43 Allied aircraft Thunderbolt II x 16 Beaufighter VIC x 48 Beaufort V-IX x 15 B-25J Mitchell x 79 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 245 casualties reported Guns lost 8 Day Air attack on 43rd Division, at 24,43 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 14 Liberator VI x 28 B-25J Mitchell x 8 Allied aircraft losses Liberator VI: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 173 casualties reported Guns lost 3 Day Air attack on 46th Division, at 24,43 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 13 Liberator VI x 48 B-25J Mitchell x 26 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 188 casualties reported Guns lost 3 For the 6th day in a row the Allies conduct a deliberate assault on Songkhia and finally break through pushing the Japanese back to Alor Star. Ground combat at Songkhia Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 108397 troops, 608 guns, 2276 vehicles Defending force 38734 troops, 155 guns, 33 vehicles Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 1) Allied forces CAPTURE Songkhia base !!! Japanese ground losses: 1484 casualties reported Guns lost 8 Vehicles lost 8 Allied ground losses: 1085 casualties reported Guns lost 12 Vehicles lost 12 Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! [image]local://upfiles/14495/2AB05782D3CB486A8E0E5DB9A22B6718.jpg[/image]

Belphegor -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/4/2005 3:45:48 AM)
Finally I get to strike back with some hitting power. This combat report is I think low on the losses. I believe the true count was 68 Allied planes destroyed on the ground. All I know is nothing flew from Bandou this turn [sm=00000028.gif] Naval bombardment of Bandou, at 25,41 Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses P-40N Warhawk: 10 destroyed Vengeance I: 15 destroyed Thunderbolt II: 4 destroyed Beaufighter VIC: 4 destroyed Boomerang II: 2 destroyed Japanese Ships DD Kisaragi DD Hatsuyuki DD Kishinami CL Kuma CL Naka CL Agano CA Furutaka CA Aoba CA Ashigara CA Haguro CA Atago BB Musashi BB Yamato BB Haruna BB Kongo Allied ground losses: 1023 casualties reported Guns lost 13 Vehicles lost 3 Airbase hits 10 Airbase supply hits 14 Runway hits 111 Port supply hits 1

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/4/2005 9:19:47 PM)
SITUATION REPORT: 12-8-43 INVASION OF ULITHI The day started with a predawn bombardment by the BBs: Naval bombardment of Ulithi, at 55,67 Allied Ships CA Australia CA San Francisco CA Astoria CA Louisville CA Northampton BB Alabama BB Massachusetts BB Indiana BB Washington Japanese ground losses: 559 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 50 Port hits 8 Port supply hits 13 This was followed by some minesweeping: TF 1275 encounters mine field at Ulithi (55,67) Allied Ships MSW Courtenay MSW Lockeport MSW Ungava MSW Lark MSW Vigilance MSW Motive MSW Impeccable MSW Herald MSW Swallow MSW Wollongong MSW Wagga MSW Strahan MSW Lithgow And TF 1223 encounters mine field at Ulithi (55,67) TF 1223 troops unloading over beach at Ulithi, 55,67 Allied Ships DD Norman DD Frazier, Mine hits 1, on fire DD Van Galen And then came the invasion: TF 1292 encounters mine field at Ulithi (55,67) TF 1292 troops unloading over beach at Ulithi, 55,67 Allied Ships MSW Eland Dubois MSW Wasaga MSW Cairns MSW Townsville MSW Deloraine MSW Tern MSW Turkey MSW Tumult MSW Token MSW Chief MSW Pursuit MSW Whyalla MSW Lismore MSW Launceton MSW Gladstone MSW Cootamundra MSW Ararat MSW Pirie DMS Southard DD Banckert DD Barker DD Bancroft AP Tasker H. Bliss, Mine hits 1, on fire Coastal Guns at Ulithi, 55,67, firing at TF 1292 73 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships CL De Ruyter DD Laffey, Shell hits 1 LCI LCI-448 DD Rapid LST LST-459, Shell hits 2 DD Relentless DD Duncan, Shell hits 1, on fire DD Welles CL Raleigh Japanese ground losses: 11 casualties reported Allied ground losses: 2262 casualties reported TF 1292 encounters mine field at Ulithi (55,67) TF 1292 troops unloading over beach at Ulithi, 55,67 Allied Ships MSW Eland Dubois MSW Wasaga MSW Cairns MSW Townsville MSW Deloraine MSW Tern MSW Turkey MSW Tumult MSW Token MSW Chief MSW Pursuit MSW Whyalla MSW Lismore MSW Launceton MSW Gladstone MSW Cootamundra MSW Ararat MSW Pirie DMS Southard DD Inconstant DD Banckert DD Isaac Sweers DD Rotherham DD Rapid DD Barker DD Duncan Coastal Guns at Ulithi, 55,67, firing at TF 1292 31 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Allied Ships DD Laffey DD Woodworth Allied ground losses: 704 casualties reported Overhead the sky was full of Allied bombers: Day Air attack on 3rd South Seas Det. , at 55,67 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 69 TBM Avenger x 144 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 96 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Day Air attack on 3rd South Seas Det. , at 55,67 Allied aircraft FM-2 Wildcat x 6 TBM Avenger x 21 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 13 casualties reported Day Air attack on 3rd South Seas Det. , at 55,67 Allied aircraft PB4Y Liberator x 104 B-24D Liberator x 32 B-24J Liberator x 67 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 361 casualties reported Guns lost 1 And then more BBs fired on the hapless atoll: Naval bombardment of Ulithi, at 55,67 Allied Ships CL Newcastle CL Emerald CL Java CA Frobisher CA Cornwall CA Devonshire CA Shropshire BB Resolution BB Royal Sovereign BB Revenge BB Valiant Japanese ground losses: 265 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 65 Port hits 7 Port supply hits 9 The Japanese defenders were so stunned by the display of firepower they could hardly fight back: Ground combat at Ulithi Allied Shock attack Attacking force 32803 troops, 391 guns, 124 vehicles Defending force 2649 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles Allied assault odds: 1248 to 1 (fort level 2) Allied forces CAPTURE Ulithi base !!! Japanese ground losses: 6623 casualties reported Guns lost 24 Allied ground losses: 104 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Vehicles lost 1 Ulithi was secured before the transports could unload all their troops and the Allies suffer much fewer casualties than at Woleai. [image]local://upfiles/14495/63253FC0548E4501AC9083B04C804685.jpg[/image]

Belphegor -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/4/2005 10:19:22 PM)
A return of the IJN bombardment forces to the Malay peninsula went much worse this time. Kongo blundered into one of my own mines and had to turn for home and repairs. The remaining force continued on with the bombardment, only to find the Allies have removed 3/4 of the troops from the area. And they aren't headed south. My view is they are moving around the bay to Bangkok in order to overwhelm the defenders there... Allied air attack on the wounded Kongo beaten back and disrupted. No hits on the battleship and a few kills for IJN pilots.

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/5/2005 12:24:48 AM)
SITUATION REPORT: 12-9-43 SEAC: In a scene eerily reminiscient of December 1941(but the colors are reversed) the Allies mass in Songkhia while the Japanese desperately dig in at Alor Star. The IJN attempts to bombard Songkhia but runs into one of their own Type 93 mines(I bet the mine was laid on the west coast but was struck on the east coast). Naval bombardment of Songkhia, at 24,43 Japanese Ships DD Hatsuyuki DD Kishinami CL Kuma CL Naka CL Agano CA Furutaka CA Aoba CA Ashigara CA Haguro CA Atago BB Musashi BB Yamato BB Haruna Allied ground losses: 406 casualties reported Guns lost 7 Poor weather grounds several hundred Allied naval bombers from striking the bombardment TF and the ones that get through are remarkable ineffectual. Meanwhile, the Allied end run or "left hook" that crossed the river north of Krung Thep has reached the coast and invested Bangkok from the landward side. Conveniently. the Japanese defenders of Bangkok commit Hari Kari by counterattacking and lose 4000 troops to 4 Allied. Ground combat at Bangkok Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 25664 troops, 182 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 54519 troops, 414 guns, 0 vehicles Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 Japanese ground losses: 4116 casualties reported Guns lost 50 Allied ground losses: 4 casualties reported Guns lost 1 3 SEAC Divisions are expected to cross the river into Bangkok from the NW tomorrow so ALL SEAC forces in Bangkok are ordered to shock attack. [image]local://upfiles/14495/26E748ECD1E14E43B82D5F86D15D342C.jpg[/image]

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/5/2005 3:43:47 AM)
12-11-43 ALLIES LIBERATE BANGKOK SEAC unleashes a furious aerial bombarbment on Bangkok: Day Air attack on 34th Heavy AA Battalion, at 29,40 Japanese aircraft Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 12 Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 5 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 6 Liberator VI x 27 B-25J Mitchell x 6 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 5 damaged Allied aircraft losses Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Liberator VI: 7 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 111 casualties reported Day Air attack on 18th Hvy Field Artillery Regiment, at 29,40 Japanese aircraft Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 5 Allied aircraft Beaufighter VIC x 8 B-25J Mitchell x 33 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 3 damaged Allied aircraft losses Beaufighter VIC: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged Japanese ground losses: 117 casualties reported Guns lost 4 Day Air attack on 29th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 29,40 Japanese aircraft Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 5 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 20 Liberator VI x 46 B-25J Mitchell x 4 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 5 damaged Allied aircraft losses Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Liberator VI: 4 damaged Japanese ground losses: 95 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Day Air attack on 29th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 29,40 Japanese aircraft Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 2 Allied aircraft Spitfire VIII x 8 Beaufighter VIC x 42 B-25J Mitchell x 53 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Beaufighter VIC: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged B-25J Mitchell: 2 damaged Japanese ground losses: 133 casualties reported Guns lost 2 Day Air attack on 29th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 29,40 Japanese aircraft Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 2 Allied aircraft Spitfire VIII x 22 Thunderbolt II x 38 Beaufighter VIC x 10 P-40N Warhawk x 25 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 10 destroyed Allied aircraft losses Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed Thunderbolt II: 1 destroyed Japanese ground losses: 35 casualties reported Guns lost 1 Day Air attack on 29th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 29,40 Japanese aircraft Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 1 Allied aircraft Beaufighter Mk 21 x 35 P-40N Warhawk x 17 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses P-40N Warhawk: 1 damaged Japanese ground losses: 12 casualties reported Then nearly 100,000 SEAC troops lauch a deliberate attack on Bangkok and force the Japanese defenders to retreat to Krung Thep: Ground combat at Bangkok Allied Shock attack Attacking force 95636 troops, 854 guns, 0 vehicles Defending force 29365 troops, 86 guns, 0 vehicles Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 1 Allied assault odds: 16 to 1 (fort level 1) Allied forces CAPTURE Bangkok base !!! Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 4 destroyed Japanese ground losses: 1630 casualties reported Guns lost 24 Allied ground losses: 507 casualties reported Guns lost 14 35,000-40,000 IJA are now cut off in Krung Thep and the road is open to Saigon. [image]local://upfiles/14495/FF987918FB9E4A818FB3172AFA46E206.jpg[/image]

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/7/2005 7:53:17 AM)
SITUATION REPORT: 12-19-43 80,000 SEAC troops are left behind at Krung Thep to reduce the pocket there. Another 50,000 troops led by most of the armor overrun the Japanese roadblock 60 mi SE of Bangkok causing over 1000 casualties and forcing the remnants back to Siemrem Reap. SEAC forces now stand on the border of Indochina and have staged AC to forward bases at Bandou, Songkhia and Bangkok. [image]local://upfiles/14495/236B746A29224669B49510DDDAAACE68.jpg[/image]

racndoc -> RE: THEY WERE EXPENDABLE: Nagumo vs Spruance PBEM (9/8/2005 4:43:01 AM)
SITUATION REPORT: 12-21-43 SEAC: Led by the Indian Armored Brigades, SEAC forces enter Siemrem Reap and are ordered to shock attack IJA defenders tomorrow. Japanese Bombardment TF is spotted moving in for another bombardment run in the Gulf of Siam. All Allied bombers in range are put on alert for possible naval attacks. [image]local://upfiles/14495/2E6CB8B5153943888985596528C8D392.jpg[/image]

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