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Cap Mandrake -> RE: Get the flattops (4/19/2006 5:55:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: fremen

A some novice question: This is a game with Nik mod o something???
I say because i'm very surprised for the japanese carrier clumsiness.....
So big damage with dutch, british land based planes??? it's very strange..

BTW, Great AAR!!! Keep on![&o]


Fremen;

Thx

Like Terminus said...it's stock
The biggest damage was done by the Beauforts, which pack a sting at torpedo loadout range (4 hexes)..and I believe they are more durable than let's say a TBD. Plus they were trained up on underdefended-transports and land attacks where they can acquire experience without getting killed [:)]. The Beaufort and Wellington Sdrns in this raid were high 70 to low 80 experience range and had been purposely rested to very high morale (90's). The Swordfish is not really a bad plane either, although this particular group is green, most of their squadron mates having been killed in the battle for Palembang.

Also, a successful attack required the better US fighters..Dutch Hawks, Demons or even worse, Brewsters would have been slaughtered. The morning raid had over 60 P-40E's, P-39's and Wildcats. The P-40E pilots are "elite" with high 70's group experience, the "zero bonus" s phased out and the Jap pilots must have been fatigued.




Cap Mandrake -> RE: Get the flattops (4/19/2006 6:01:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Grotius

Wow, serious carnage. The enemy seems to move his CVs within range of your LBA all too often, and now seems to be paying the price. Your caption says "carrier battles," but I don't see any Allied carriers involved in the action...


Yes..good point. Misleading title. No Allied carriers this battle.




Cap Mandrake -> Got Milk...............runs? (4/22/2006 6:32:36 PM)

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rtrapasso -> RE: Got Milk...............runs? (4/22/2006 8:35:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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Is Milo expanding into Allied Spy Trading Cards?




Terminus -> RE: Got Milk...............runs? (4/22/2006 8:38:32 PM)

Ya gotta go where the money is...[:D]




Cap Mandrake -> How do you solve a problem like.... (4/23/2006 5:20:51 AM)

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Cap Mandrake -> RE: How do you solve a problem like.... (4/23/2006 5:40:36 AM)

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Alikchi2 -> RE: Get the flattops (4/23/2006 8:05:28 AM)

Hot or not? [&:]




rtrapasso -> RE: How do you solve a problem like.... (4/23/2006 8:14:36 AM)

no pics of lederhosen guy!!!![:'(]

EDIT: i just know Milo has a tie to the Lederhosen....




Cap Mandrake -> Locals call for EIR (4/23/2006 8:45:06 AM)

Koepang is really getting polluted with shell casings and burnt out planes.

Despite at least a hundred bombers at Bali and Soerabaja...and 8-9 US and Dutch subs, all the wounded Jap carriers make it back to safety (except the Junyo, which is sunk by B-17's)

Now the action in the NEI switches to Koepang.

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Cap Mandrake -> RE: How do you solve a problem like.... (4/23/2006 8:47:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso


EDIT: i just know Milo has a tie to the Lederhosen....


hmmm




Cap Mandrake -> Why can't we all just get along (4/23/2006 7:39:38 PM)

It hardly seems Timor is worth this much sacrifice. [:)]

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Knavey -> RE: Why can't we all just get along (4/24/2006 1:01:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

It hardly seems Timor is worth this much sacrifice. [:)]



But isn't that the way the real Guadacanal campaign started? Just a slow escalation until both sides were too committed to back down.

Your war may not last until 1945, but it sure makes for an interesting read.




Cap Mandrake -> RE: Why can't we all just get along (4/24/2006 2:54:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Knavey


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

It hardly seems Timor is worth this much sacrifice. [:)]





But isn't that the way the real Guadacanal campaign started? Just a slow escalation until both sides were too committed to back down.

Your war may not last until 1945, but it sure makes for an interesting read.


Good analogy really. Allies in possession of an island airfield with insufficient support equipment. Allies have about 2/3 of a division equivalent ashore, Japs certainly more than that but are having supply or fatigue problems.

Not enough carrier strike power to shut down the airfield (USN and RN carriers are in the Coral Sea)..so both sides resort to running in surface forces at night, the Japs to bombard and the US to drive off Jap transports. The airfield is in strike range of 2 big opposing bases for long range aircraft(Kendari and Derby). Even a Marine VMF Squadron is there. [:)]




Terminus -> RE: Why can't we all just get along (4/24/2006 3:01:15 AM)

Spooky, isn't it?[:D]




ny59giants -> RE: Why can't we all just get along (4/24/2006 4:13:37 AM)

Timor is more important strategically due to the assessibility of damaging Resource/Oil centers by aircraft. G'Canal had nothing to hit except more malaria invested jungle. I have believed that it is more important for the Allied counter-offensive to go though here vs the Solomons. [:-]
Look how long it took the Allies to switch over to bombing petroleum centers in Europe and the resulting loss of mobility the Germans had.




Cap Mandrake -> RE: Why can't we all just get along (4/24/2006 8:57:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Timor is more important strategically due to the assessibility of damaging Resource/Oil centers by aircraft. G'Canal had nothing to hit except more malaria invested jungle. I have believed that it is more important for the Allied counter-offensive to go though here vs the Solomons. [:-]
Look how long it took the Allies to switch over to bombing petroleum centers in Europe and the resulting loss of mobility the Germans had.


The threat of an Allied presence on Guadalcanal was an eventual move toward Rabaul. You are right about Timor, though. Balikpapan can be hit from Surabya, but Kendari is too far away from Oz to hit without losing too many bombers on the flight home.




Tom Hunter -> RE: Why can't we all just get along (4/25/2006 5:38:58 AM)

In this game Timor is more important strategically because the Allies hold JAVA.

Glad to see the Allies are still winning

Tom





Cap Mandrake -> RE: Why can't we all just get along (4/25/2006 10:18:55 PM)

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July 19, 1942

The Admiralty announced today the retirement of Lord Admiral Hunter
as CIC of Allied Forces. He will be taking a position with the Royal Command of Really Strange Things to work on the "59-mile problem" and "Unescorted Japanese Transport Invisible Force Field Phenomenon". The Allied war effort in the Pacific is indebted to his successful evacuation of the bulk of Allied forces from the Malay Penisnusla.


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Terminus -> RE: Why can't we all just get along (4/25/2006 10:53:21 PM)

Damn... Busy day at Milne Bay...[X(]




Grotius -> RE: Why can't we all just get along (4/26/2006 6:57:53 AM)

So is Tom Hunter going to be joining the WITP team? And, more importantly, how DID he get those forces out of Malaya? I've read and re-read that section of your AAR a couple times and I'm still not quite sure how he managed it.




Cap Mandrake -> RE: Why can't we all just get along (4/26/2006 6:17:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Grotius

So is Tom Hunter going to be joining the WITP team? And, more importantly, how DID he get those forces out of Malaya? I've read and re-read that section of your AAR a couple times and I'm still not quite sure how he managed it.


Grotius;

No, I don't think Tom is joining the WITP team..that was tongue in cheek [:)] Those were some of his reasons for leaving.

As to the evacuation of Malaya, it has been a while but I think I can summarize:

It required a number of fumbles, IMHO, on the Japanese part, and a number of successful gambles and remarkably well-executed plans on our part:

1) Japs invade Kuantan..it falls fast of course..but they probably should have pursued more agressively.

2) Jap troopships and AK's are inadequately escorted allowing the RAF in Malaya to get some kills and quickly gain some experience.

3) Singapore airfields are not sufficiently shut down for much too long, and when they finally are, they allow us to use Johore for too long.

4) They try the Mersing gambit, but there initial landing is disrupted by swordfish from Singapore (and whatever antiques were available). The two Aussie brigade rush to the scene holding onto the town. More troops and transports come in and are again pounded by air. It seems all their Zeroes are in Rangoon or the South Pacific. When there is a CAP, it is mainly Oscars.

5) Meanwhile, Johore is building up and troops are resting. When Mersing is no longer defensible, the Aussies retreat to Johore in moderately good shape.

6) Batavia is built up to level 4 airfield and we move AV units from all over Java. We scrounge the Pacific for B-17's and LB-30, assembling about 100 (including LB-30's and B-17C's). They are vulnerable, because of our crappy fighters in Java, but they remain undiscovered until they are unleased on Kuantan (with a fighter sweep from Johore as I recall). The effect is fantastic, catching dozens of Jap bombers on the ground. For a while, the Japs evacuate Kuantan airfield. After a few days of bombing at least half the bombers are disabled and it takes weeks to get them all repaired..but it was worth it.

7) Zuiho is sunk by swordfish..does this make them resistent to commit the carriers to the area?

8) The RN carriers and BB's, plus transports assemble in the Indian Ocean, waiting for the right time.

9) In the second week of January, the Japs attack Singapore by sea..and it actually works [X(] All of our dedicated infantry is in Johore, holding the line against 60,000 Japs who are besieging the town. Only the CD unit, some AV Engineers and Malaya HQ is in Singapore. Singapore is going to fall soon. Time to MOVE!

10) Wait..but what about the Jap carriers you say? Good point. Four Jap carriers (KB)have just declared themselves off the Northern coast of Oz..killing a bunch of our AK's. They need fuel. 2 Jap CV's were spotted in the Coral Sea 4 days prior. They are not to be seen now..but they cant make it to the South China Sea in time. We can account for 6 fleet carriers and the Zuiho. These we will not have to fight.

11) The bombers from Batavia shut down Kuantan again. Some sacrificial fighters deploy to Johore to fly CAP. The cariers and BB's rush in along with the transports. We start loading the troops at Johore. The Japs see what is happening of course and decide to shock attack Johore on the second day, but there are too many troops left and they are beat back badly. The loading at
Johore takes about 3 days. Concurrent with this, we send in an emergency convoy to Singapore which gets out some of the Malaya HQ. The Japs begin to redeploy air to the area but it is too late. They are clearly surprised by the move.

12) About 3000 commonwealth troops are trapped in Johore and about 10,00 in Singapore. Most of the fighters get out of Johore.

13) We lose 1 or 2 CL's and a CA (which is in port and is scuttled when Singapore falls)..perhaps 2 or 3 transports to subs and air. The carriers are undamaged.

14) The whole mess makes it back to Batavia, from where most of the troops are evacuated to SE Asia. Only the Aussie brigades stay behind...they later prove to be crucial in the defense of Palembang (which is still in Allied hands in late July).




Grotius -> RE: Why can't we all just get along (4/26/2006 7:45:06 PM)

Wow, thanks for the detailed summary. Awesome work! I take it that Betties and Nells didn't take too big a toll on the evacuating transports?




Cap Mandrake -> RE: Why can't we all just get along (4/26/2006 8:15:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Grotius

Wow, thanks for the detailed summary. Awesome work! I take it that Betties and Nells didn't take too big a toll on the evacuating transports?


No they did not. During the loading at Johore there was a RAF (or perhaps AVG?) CAP from the damaged field itself, plus Brewsters flying LRCAP from Sumatra. during movment to Batavia there was a CAP from the RN carriers plus LRCAP from Palembang. Most importantly Kuantan was shut down in a timely raid and I think Khota Bahru had inadequate AV support. Pontianak was not level 4 yet. As a consequence, Jap bombers had to fly from Kuching and Indochina, thus taking all the Sallys out of the equation. Even those raids were inadequately escorted with Zeroes and were jumped by P-40's of the AVG.

It was our suspicion that inadequate coordination of resources between team members of the Jap team hampered their response, whereas, even though the evacuation took place right at a "seam" in our command, we had good coordination.

In the event, it took the AVG (which had been jealously guarded), the entire RN in SE Asia, all of our heavy bombers (stripped from Pearl, Noumea, Oz, even SE Asia and NorthPac) and almost all the transports in the Indian Ocean basin. Bombers started moving from Alaska 2 1/2 weeks before our planned jump off date. AV units started moving to Batavia 2 weeks before. We purposely conducted no recon on the target airfields and the AVG kept it's head down until H-Hour.

In the event, we had to pull the trigger a couple of days early because of the emergency at Singapore, so all of our bombers werent ready.




Grotius -> RE: Why can't we all just get along (4/27/2006 4:03:35 AM)

Impressive!




USSAmerica -> RE: Why can't we all just get along (4/27/2006 5:58:29 AM)

I have to agree! That op was successful due to some serious planning and preparation done long before it was actually needed.

I also have to say that this AAR is the most entertaining thing I've read in a long, long time! [&o] Cap, your writing and graphics are just amazing. (Maps, maps, maps, I love maps! [:D]) Even if you and your team mates were getting blown away in the game, this would be a great read. I've killed several boring hours at work this week reading the history of your war. Now, I have to wait for dribbles as they actually happen, just like everyone else. [:(]

My hat's off to you! [8D]




Terminus -> RE: Why can't we all just get along (4/27/2006 11:42:34 AM)

Heh, I took my hat off to this AAR so long ago, I can't remember where I put it...[8D]




Cap Mandrake -> The 1st Australian Corps comes ashore (4/28/2006 4:41:28 AM)

Thx USS America...btw

US 32nd Inf Div and 7th Aus Inf Div are fixin' to pound the defenders of Gili Gili

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Knavey -> RE: The 1st Australian Corps comes ashore (4/29/2006 3:53:46 AM)

Ugg...the cesspool that is Gili Gili.

Everyone wants it, except for the soldiers that are assigned there. Can't wait until Milo tries to make it a Malaria free zone to improve morale and make a buck!




Cap Mandrake -> RE: The 1st Australian Corps comes ashore (4/29/2006 8:42:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Knavey

Ugg...the cesspool that is Gili Gili.

Everyone wants it, except for the soldiers that are assigned there. Can't wait until Milo tries to make it a Malaria free zone to improve morale and make a buck!


Mr. Minderbinder is a trifle indisposed at the present time. [;)]

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