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- 9/13/2000 3:25:00 PM   
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Originally posted by Mike Tremblay: I also noticed the odd sound effect for the ATR's. Until I read the above posts, I thought it might have been deliberate. It might be appropriate for the Lahti, the Solothurn, and the Japanese Type 97, as they were capable of automatic fire, but the others were bolt-action rifles so maybe the sound of the sniper rifle would be fitting for them. Thx,
Finnish 20mm Lahti AT-rifle was semi-automatic, not full-automatic. Allso full-automatic version existed but it was intended as a cheap improvised AA-gun and was never produced in big numbers.

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- 9/13/2000 3:37:00 PM   
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Originally posted by Mac: The Imp. Sniper in the Finnish OOB has the Lahti but has only HE ammo... should propably have AP ammo instead.
This is sniper, it is not indended for antitank use (there should be AT-rifle unit for that use), it was intended to represent improvised Finnish sniper using 20mm Lahti AT-rifle as improvised sniper weapon. Historically during during trench-period of Continuation War 20mm Lahti ATR's were used for sniping soviet infantry from long ranges. For this use HE grenades were the usual ammunition used.

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- 9/13/2000 10:56:00 PM   
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Originally posted by JTV: This is sniper, it is not indended for antitank use (there should be AT-rifle unit for that use), it was intended to represent improvised Finnish sniper using 20mm Lahti AT-rifle as improvised sniper weapon.
Ok, sounds fine, but with kill rating of ONE! The sniper would do better with a regular rifle. For a 20mm rifle with HE-ammo that sounds a bit off . ------------------ Markku "Mac" Rontu "Understanding is a three-edged sword, your side, their side and the truth." - Sheridan in B5

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- 9/13/2000 11:51:00 PM   
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Originally posted by headhunter: A short one: The 28mm FJ AT in the german OOB has no ammo.
It has, 30 rounds of APCR Voriax

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- 9/14/2000 12:17:00 AM   
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Originally posted by Kharan: Väinämöinen/Ilmarinen's secondary guns were all 105mm, not 100mm.
We did create special weapons for the Väinämöinen/Ilmarinen but for some reason they have vanished from the OOB's weapon list. Paul? I read someplace that the weapon lists are now locked solid so I'd let the secondary gun be that 100mm L60, put a 40mm (2) AA gun as 3rd weapon and 20mm Quad AA as 4th gun. These would be the closest o the correct from the current weapon list.
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Those responsible for the Finnish OOB could go through the leader names and eliminate some that sound more like Libyan. (Jackzell, Harvi, Wiik, Vadonen, Horelli, Guistio, Wadolin, Jenetz, Genemaki etc.)
These are indeed bit funny...unfortunately afaik these names are not in a separate file a'la SPWW2 so changing them may or may not be easy...comments, coders magnificent? Voriax

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- 9/14/2000 4:08:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		An error from before. The first two Polish infantry squads listed in the encyclopedia are still at 1 9 strength!!! No wonder so many of my guns are malfunctioning in my campaign starting against Poland!!!

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- 9/14/2000 4:34:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Unless we get a leader to step up and take charge of further OOB mods. There will be none "officially" comming for a while. I will assist, but we need a leader to organize the work. [This message has been edited by Paul Vebber (edited September 13, 2000).]

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- 9/14/2000 5:04:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Would it be possible to make ASDN's utilities for OOB-> spreadsheet spreadsheet -> OOB public? I cannot imagine creating OOBs everybody would be happy with, and consistent individual changes would be much less pain! just a thought!

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- 9/14/2000 7:15:00 PM   
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- 9/15/2000 3:20:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		German long campaign, '41, a SP mortar platoon costs significantly less than a mortar platoon ! (both 81mm) Shouldn't it be the other way round ?

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- 9/15/2000 3:48:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kharan: On second thought, Harvi should be changed to Nirvi. Yes I just have to agree with that one

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- 9/15/2000 8:24:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Funny, did anybody notice the armament of Philipines PT boat? 120kg bomb in slot 4. also how did the philipines got their hands on german halftracks ??????

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- 9/15/2000 9:00:00 PM   
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Originally posted by renwor: Funny, did anybody notice the armament of Philipines PT boat? 120kg bomb in slot 4. also how did the philipines got their hands on german halftracks ??????
Suicide boat? Those german vehicles may have been intended for scenario only and placed into Phil oob due to lack of space...avail dates should be 12/49 then. Voriax

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- 9/15/2000 9:31:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Those German vehicles were moved to Czechoslovakia, unfortunately seems the wrong oob was sent out!! I fixed it, and sent to Paul, should be up soon? ------------------ Mike Amos Meine Ehre Heisst Treue

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- 9/18/2000 2:22:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		SS and Guard troops should cost a bit more than regular. Artillery cost should differ more on caliber. There's only 21 points difference with 75mm and 150mm artillery battery. 81mm mortar section costs more than a 150mm arty battery. T-44 should cost more than 5 points more than T-34/85. The Russian heavies are pretty cheap compared to American tanks, a 76mm Sherman costs more than a IS-2 and a 76mm Sherman Jumbo costs the same as IS-3. The manual lists the ground attack specialists as: Ju-87g, Hs-129, IL-2 Shturmovik, P-39 Airacobra, B-25h Mitchell, IL-10 Shturmovik. Not mentioned are: Mosquito VI RP All Typhoons Hurricane IID C.R. 42 AS Falco Arado-234B-2 P-38j Gladiator Mk II Potez P633 Breguet 693 P-47D (except one variant) All JU-88 P's Ki-84 Frank Ki-45 KAlb Nick N1K2 George Spitfire X Fokker G1 Fokker D21 Martin B-10 Ju 87B-2 Fiat C.R. 42 IMAM Ro 37 A-1 Skyraider Martin B-10 SB2C Helldiver Yak-9B and 9T, Ju-87B-1, Focke Wulf 190 F and G and that one P-47D variant should be marked specialists also. And there should be some indication whether a plane is a specialist in the buying screen, that list is pretty hard to memorize . [This message has been edited by Kharan (edited September 18, 2000).]

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- 9/18/2000 2:32:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Troops seem to regenerate lost men after you save and exit the game.

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- 9/18/2000 8:23:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Filipino leaders have Korean and Chinese names. They should have Spanish, Malay and a few Chinese names. Could also have some American names in there for spice and realism. BTW, Am doing a generated battle between Filipino guerrillas and Japanese. The guerrillas are eating the Hapons alive. They're much tougher than they were in ver 1.0 troopie ------------------ Pamwe Chete

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- 9/18/2000 5:37:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe these are already fixed/found, but I'll include these here anyway.... -Dutch, Belgian bunkers are halftracks (?) -Japanese Armored Boat -- Machineguns have mortar (?) sound. -Coastal gun with 8" gun (Japan) -- wrong unit class Was 'Lend lease tank' when it should be 'Turret tank destroyer' (?) -British coastal guns -- Available December 1949 to 1949 -- Wrong unit class as well?

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- 9/19/2000 3:07:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, I have been testing some things in 4.0 and here is something that I found These new glorius inventions - Turreted Coastal Guns are not working as they should... It seems that whole underlying MOUNTING can turn as well. (......by right clicking enemy units) Most likely same problem as with caves and ordinary coastal guns

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- 9/19/2000 3:40:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		The point values are undergoing another scrubbing - but its a near impossible task to get every effect relative to every other one to be in a respective ratio...too many variables!

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- 9/19/2000 6:15:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		dont know if this is a bug or intentional but i noticed that if are trying to keep a lock on a high priority target, and deny all OP targeting requests, the unit will still have lost its lock on by next turn, its 'target' indicator will show the last unit it had had a potential OP shot at. also, OP fire ops can change a disabled vehicle's facing.

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- 9/19/2000 9:11:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Paul and Team Matrix, this version 4 is great and I hope coments aren't being too picky! 1) In the USMC vehicles, in the CS -LVT Plt the LVT(A)4 (75mm gun version)is missing. The LVT(A)4 is in the encyclopedia, and the only way to buy it is to switch vehicles in the editor. 2) Also the Army used the LVT(A)4 in their amtank units. This is not reflected in the Army oob. 3) The barge carrier trucks do not represent barge carriers. They look more like WWI trucks vs the barge carriers in the other SP & SPW@W games. 4) The gun boats also look just like regular landing craft. 5) This might be too late/beyond the scope of this game, but could a large rail-gun be incorperated? (just a tought). 6) Some of the medium US trucks showed a two axle truck instead of the 6x6 deuce and a half. Like I said earlier, this is an awsome game and I hope I'm not too picky. Thanks, Semper Fi Randy

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- 9/19/2000 8:49:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Couple of remarks : 1.) Looks like the MG cult is still there. Why else would 0.5cal AAMG cost more than 20mm AAgun ??? 2.) In Czech OOB there is unwelcome adition "PZ-3T-S 739". It's obviously captured Somua S-35. To my knowledge it was never not only used, but even present in the area. Could person responsible for the addition elaborate more about it? It wasn't in 2.3 OOBs, I didn't add it, it's not mentioned in adjoining .txt files. Also some quite weird units: 051 ME 262-2a (makes sense, after 45) but it's fort armed with mortar and Enfield rifle 052 Arado 234B-2 no, no, no really Just no!
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Originally posted by Warhorse: Those German vehicles were moved to Czechoslovakia, unfortunately seems the wrong oob was sent out!! I fixed it, and sent to Paul, should be up soon?
Ok, this may explain part of weird units. But then avail. dates should be different. 49/49 fir the extra stuff. Also , maybe Me262 is in czech units but with weaponery nums from german weapons list? 3.) Schwartzlose HMG has wrong generic picture throughout OOBs. It's Hotkiss I guess. The Vickers one would be more apropriate. At least it's watercooled also. (I could not resist in this one ) Aw, by the way that Czech AT guns were renamed "PUV" which is abreviation of "Against assault vehicles" I didn't dare! 4.) Plane relative prices: two planes: A-100 120kgx2 50kgx3 50kgx3 cost 83 Ab-100 120kgx6 cost 70 planes are absolutely IDENTICALL in all else (exept radiocode 90/91) Do you really think 4x120kg is much less than 6x50kg in bombload?

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- 9/19/2000 10:24:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		The czech OOB is used as an "overflow" for some German things - but it wasn't quite done yet... there will always be some strange things in the point assignments.

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- 9/20/2000 6:56:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Re: the names being wrong nationality in the Phillippines OOB, I have a list of Non-Hispanic and Filipino Chinese names that I would be willing to e-mail anyone doing the editing. troopie ------------------ Pamwe Chete

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- 9/20/2000 2:33:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Soviet OOB still contains the Bazooka team. Is there some new historical evidence? Shouldn't it be replaced by an RPG team armed with captured Panzerfaust rockets? Additionally the Guards Tank platoon should be composed of 3 medium tanks and not 5. The picture of the KV-1S is wrong. The picture of the Volksgrenadier infantry actually shows a Volkssturm unit... Amedeo

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- 9/20/2000 3:31:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have one OOB suggestion for the Soviets, a very little one. It is for the razvedchiki, or 'reconnaissance men'. They were highly skilled group of soldiers that were trained in deep reconnaissance. The razvedchiki really become an elite group by 1943. My suggestion is to add the following under the formation 'Razvedchiki':[list]
  • Razvedchiki Patrols - same as recon patrols except that formation is elite, and primary weapon is MP39/40.
  • Razvedchiki Teams - same as scout teams except that formation is elite, and primary weapon is MP39/40.[/list] The reason they use MP39/40s was probably, because it was lighter, and the sound of the gunfire would confuse Germans in the area if the razvedchiki have to engage.

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    - 9/20/2000 5:16:00 PM   
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    Originally posted by Mac: Ok, sounds fine, but with kill rating of ONE! The sniper would do better with a regular rifle. For a 20mm rifle with HE-ammo that sounds a bit off .
    HE-kill rating of it is only one? I have to fix that. Thanks for letting me know.

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    - 9/21/2000 11:22:00 AM   
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    Status: offline     		Another note about the amtracs. The pictures in the encyclopedia show an LVT-2 in the spot that is listed for the LVT(A)-1 (the 37mm turreted gun version). These pictures were correct in SPW@W 2 and 3b. Thanks Semper Fi Randy

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    - 9/21/2000 1:23:00 PM   
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    Status: offline     		In the encyclopedia, the picture for the offboard 122mm FH Battalion is a P-51D.

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