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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/4/2013 8:16:22 PM

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Then how do you know if that tank you see is your friend or your enemy? Sticking to axis versus allies means that you can tell by the type of afv you are seeing...

Identifier labels over the units you can see. Green for friend, red for enemy.

It seems that makes spotting targets a little too easy, or am I missing something here?

You or one of your teammates has to have eyes on the target in order for it to be identified. Otherwise, its invisible. Edit: Interestingly enough, this also works for your ream members. If you or another teammate doesnt have LOS on a third teammate, they wont show up either.

Theres also a lovely little glitch that makes targets disappear for no good reason. Love being killed by invisible tanks with Romulan cloaking technology.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/4/2013 8:16:56 PM

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WoT UNP.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/4/2013 8:17:36 PM

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Probably because they have a more stable platform or some such. Or because they need an advantage over the tanks in this regard. The TDs often have a slightly better rate of fire as well.

Eh, I can live with that. Its also not very realistic, tech wise. Like putting a 57mm gun into an AT-1 chassis (which was a Komsomolets tractor mounting a short barrel 75 iirc) would have blown the back hatch out with the recoil.

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Well, the KV-1 is probably a good one to learn in. At tier 5 it's a bit of a monster, especially when you're facing tier 4 tanks.

I have several tracks going at the moment. I pretty much gave up on the medium tank tree and was pursuing the heavy tank one, but I think I will switch to TD because it more closely matches my playing style. Still darn awkward in cities, though.

Maybe you will maybe you wont, but I find out a go from style to style...I get bored one evening with being a scout, so I go arty.. yada yada... I have a medium tank I like most, and play the most (M4). I have a light tank I like best (M5). I have two-three arty units depending on what tier I'm interested in that day. My favorite TD is tier II T18 (almost impossible to destroy from head on in low tier games) and Hetzer. Hetzer is very powerful in tiers within it's tier, but anything above, it struggles. MS-1 is a very fun tank to play. Lower tier games just seem to be more enjoyable.

Dixie-

I am on the same page with you on your analysis of my coment about low tier vs high tier...you went more in depth and said it better, but we're basically on the same page.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/4/2013 8:18:40 PM

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I still think lower tiers require the most skill... the higher (6+) is all about gun size and armor...IMO.. could be wrong.. but that is what it appears from talking with peeps and poking around on the forums.. at the lower tiers..everyone is more on the same playing field, and the tanks aren't that much different tiers 1-4 IMO...

I'd say it's more that good players stand out in lower tiers, you can win a battle pretty much on your own. In higher tiers the bad players stand out, you can lose a battle pretty much on your own. I've won a few games through my actions, rescued a few defeats and lost a few games (getting less often now though).

Once you start getting into level 6 and higher two things become apparent.
(1) You need to learn about weakspots and targeting. If you just aim and shoot a lot of stuff will just bounce rounds. The first examples of this are the KV-1 (tier 5) and Matilda (tier 4). The French tanks can also bounce a lot of fire at low levels.
(2) Things turn into a bit of a camp-fest (on EU at least). Too many people afraid to actually take any incoming rounds in case they dent their toys. It makes sense on tier 10 when repair costs are crippling but down lower it's annoying.

Excellent segway. Where are the weakspots? I have shot T-18s at point blank range in the side with a 45mm and gotten bounced. Matildas...dont even get me started. I've seen people sit there and take 20 shots from 3 level 3 opponents on the frontal like it aint no thang.

Matildas have the highest armor for their tier/size of tank of all tanks in the game.

That explains it. What's the T-18s excuse?

Go look at its armor vs all other tier II tanks, and youll see why. Then, look at the two best guns available.. especially the howitzer..

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/4/2013 8:19:46 PM

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Then how do you know if that tank you see is your friend or your enemy? Sticking to axis versus allies means that you can tell by the type of afv you are seeing...

Identifier labels over the units you can see. Green for friend, red for enemy.

It seems that makes spotting targets a little too easy, or am I missing something here?

You or one of your teammates has to have eyes on the target in order for it to be identified. Otherwise, its invisible. Edit: Interestingly enough, this also works for your ream members. If you or another teammate doesnt have LOS on a third teammate, they wont show up either.

Theres also a lovely little glitch that makes targets disappear for no good reason. Love being killed by invisible tanks with Romulan cloaking technology.

It is all about the radio upgrade and view range.

I can scout in the top corner of the map, with the lowest signal range radio, and no one on my team will see the units I spot, even though I can see them.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/4/2013 8:22:05 PM

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Probably because they have a more stable platform or some such. Or because they need an advantage over the tanks in this regard. The TDs often have a slightly better rate of fire as well.

Eh, I can live with that. Its also not very realistic, tech wise. Like putting a 57mm gun into an AT-1 chassis (which was a Komsomolets tractor mounting a short barrel 75 iirc) would have blown the back hatch out with the recoil.

quote:

Well, the KV-1 is probably a good one to learn in. At tier 5 it's a bit of a monster, especially when you're facing tier 4 tanks.

I have several tracks going at the moment. I pretty much gave up on the medium tank tree and was pursuing the heavy tank one, but I think I will switch to TD because it more closely matches my playing style. Still darn awkward in cities, though.

Maybe you will maybe you wont, but I find out a go from style to style...I get bored one evening with being a scout, so I go arty.. yada yada... I have a medium tank I like most, and play the most (M4). I have a light tank I like best (M5). I have two-three arty units depending on what tier I'm interested in that day. My favorite TD is tier II T18 (almost impossible to destroy from head on in low tier games) and Hetzer. Hetzer is very powerful in tiers within it's tier, but anything above, it struggles. MS-1 is a very fun tank to play. Lower tier games just seem to be more enjoyable.

Dixie-

I am on the same page with you on your analysis of my coment about low tier vs high tier...you went more in depth and said it better, but we're basically on the same page.

To be honest, I'm in no hurry to get to the higher tiers. A friend an I were playing as a platoon yesterday and for some reason we )at levels 2 and 3) kept getting put into games with levels 5-8. I completely agree that the gameplay is completely different. 3 and 4 seems to be where its at. Now I just need to train up mu crew.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/4/2013 8:22:52 PM

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I find WoT to be a very good change of pace to WiTPAE. Good to play in between turns when I have a free evening. Very fun, addicting game.

Who all plays?

I have noticed the ones who are talking about it.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/4/2013 8:24:59 PM

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Probably because they have a more stable platform or some such. Or because they need an advantage over the tanks in this regard. The TDs often have a slightly better rate of fire as well.

Eh, I can live with that. Its also not very realistic, tech wise. Like putting a 57mm gun into an AT-1 chassis (which was a Komsomolets tractor mounting a short barrel 75 iirc) would have blown the back hatch out with the recoil.

quote:

Well, the KV-1 is probably a good one to learn in. At tier 5 it's a bit of a monster, especially when you're facing tier 4 tanks.

I have several tracks going at the moment. I pretty much gave up on the medium tank tree and was pursuing the heavy tank one, but I think I will switch to TD because it more closely matches my playing style. Still darn awkward in cities, though.

Maybe you will maybe you wont, but I find out a go from style to style...I get bored one evening with being a scout, so I go arty.. yada yada... I have a medium tank I like most, and play the most (M4). I have a light tank I like best (M5). I have two-three arty units depending on what tier I'm interested in that day. My favorite TD is tier II T18 (almost impossible to destroy from head on in low tier games) and Hetzer. Hetzer is very powerful in tiers within it's tier, but anything above, it struggles. MS-1 is a very fun tank to play. Lower tier games just seem to be more enjoyable.

Dixie-

I am on the same page with you on your analysis of my coment about low tier vs high tier...you went more in depth and said it better, but we're basically on the same page.

To be honest, I'm in no hurry to get to the higher tiers. A friend an I were playing as a platoon yesterday and for some reason we )at levels 2 and 3) kept getting put into games with levels 5-8. I completely agree that the gameplay is completely different. 3 and 4 seems to be where its at. Now I just need to train up mu crew.

Lower tier tanks are put in high tier games as scouts. Not fun sometimes.

I just looked last night, I have survived 6 of 60 games in my M5..however, I have scored a lot of exp and money with it. You get points/exp for scouting units, units you've scouted that are destroyed by team members, and of course, damage you cause. The M5 has a howitzer that is surprisingly powerful for a light tank, and you can surprise enemies that think you're a punny scout. One ram and shot to mostly any arty unit from tier five or lower usually results in a kill and living to tell about it.

I tend to play fast paced, don't like to sit alot, and play fast tanks...so I die more often then I kill. I think in 750 games, I have 500 kills.. appx

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/4/2013 8:37:24 PM

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69F, 20C, some overcast clouds due to the frontal passage. Should be same for the next few days, but with some warming from the Gulf air mass.

Put some new bases into NZ for the Babes Guad scenario. Not that they mean anything tactically, just because I like NZ and wanted to see it righteous. Will vet them with DivePac88 so I don't do something stoopid. On North Island, we got Gisborne, Napier, Wanganui, New Plymouth, and Tauranga. Not so much on South Island, because it's truncated on the game map.

Figure these in with the new bases in the Solomons and on Papua, and you get some nice stuff that's useful in a strategic/tactical sense in the scenario. Much of the NZ units are restricted, but some did good work, and you will find them available when they became so. No 3 Sqdn RNZAF performed yeoman service for the Cactus Airforce from 11/42 on.

Ciao JWE

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/4/2013 10:21:51 PM

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Excellent segway. Where are the weakspots? I have shot T-18s at point blank range in the side with a 45mm and gotten bounced. Matildas...dont even get me started. I've seen people sit there and take 20 shots from 3 level 3 opponents on the frontal like it aint no thang.

20 shots is nothing. I have games where it's taken 40 to finish me off and I've taken down four tanks whilst being shot at. The best way to kill a Matilda is bring a lot of friends. I think I've got a screenie where I took 30 hits and survived. Steel Wall, cool headed and spartan awards for that one.

For Leo, I've got some replays but they're in the world oftanks format. You'd need the game installed to watch them, I'm not techy enough to know how to convert them into a different format.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/4/2013 11:07:13 PM

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Excellent segway. Where are the weakspots? I have shot T-18s at point blank range in the side with a 45mm and gotten bounced. Matildas...dont even get me started. I've seen people sit there and take 20 shots from 3 level 3 opponents on the frontal like it aint no thang.

20 shots is nothing. I have games where it's taken 40 to finish me off and I've taken down four tanks whilst being shot at. The best way to kill a Matilda is bring a lot of friends. I think I've got a screenie where I took 30 hits and survived. Steel Wall, cool headed and spartan awards for that one.

For Leo, I've got some replays but they're in the world oftanks format. You'd need the game installed to watch them, I'm not techy enough to know how to convert them into a different format.

I might try Matilda tonight. Only reason I haven't is the speed..

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/4/2013 11:37:05 PM

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Excellent segway. Where are the weakspots? I have shot T-18s at point blank range in the side with a 45mm and gotten bounced. Matildas...dont even get me started. I've seen people sit there and take 20 shots from 3 level 3 opponents on the frontal like it aint no thang.

20 shots is nothing. I have games where it's taken 40 to finish me off and I've taken down four tanks whilst being shot at. The best way to kill a Matilda is bring a lot of friends. I think I've got a screenie where I took 30 hits and survived. Steel Wall, cool headed and spartan awards for that one.

For Leo, I've got some replays but they're in the world oftanks format. You'd need the game installed to watch them, I'm not techy enough to know how to convert them into a different format.

Leo,

I just ran across this one. Gives you a pretty good idea of the gameplay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhnaz5JEiiU

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/5/2013 12:41:21 AM

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Lower tier tanks are put in high tier games as scouts. Not fun sometimes.

I just looked last night, I have survived 6 of 60 games in my M5..however, I have scored a lot of exp and money with it. You get points/exp for scouting units, units you've scouted that are destroyed by team members, and of course, damage you cause. The M5 has a howitzer that is surprisingly powerful for a light tank, and you can surprise enemies that think you're a punny scout. One ram and shot to mostly any arty unit from tier five or lower usually results in a kill and living to tell about it.

I tend to play fast paced, don't like to sit alot, and play fast tanks...so I die more often then I kill. I think in 750 games, I have 500 kills.. appx

Yeah, a T-46 (besides being pretty much imaginary as only a handfull were ever made) makes a great scout tank.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/5/2013 3:02:40 AM

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Playin WoT at the moment if anyone cares to platoon..

name is same as my name here.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/5/2013 7:37:14 AM

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And here is a Mouse with a bazooka.

Thats a prairie dog, you silly flightless foul fowl.

Mouse read my lips... If I want it to be a mouse, then it is a mouse, make it so!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/5/2013 7:54:38 AM

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Put some new bases into NZ for the Babes Guad scenario. Not that they mean anything tactically, just because I like NZ and wanted to see it righteous. Will vet them with DivePac88 so I don't do something stoopid. On North Island, we got Gisborne, Napier, Wanganui, New Plymouth, and Tauranga. Not so much on South Island, because it's truncated on the game map.

Just my ten cents worth here John;

#Gisborne, would make a medium size port only and has trouble with tides.
#Napier, would make a large port, but is not trusted in NZ as it has a history of bad earthquakes.
#Wanganui, small fishing port only, as it has a lee shore and a dangerous bar.
#New Plymouth, excellent medium side port, deep harbor and could take large ships.
#Tauranga, excellent large port, deep and very good harbor.

Edit; I've always thought that Nelson in the South Island is in the wrong hex, and should be moved to 111-90. It has an excellent harbor, and could take large ships with some dredging.

Port of Nelson-

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/5/2013 8:25:30 AM

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Good morning friends.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/5/2013 10:24:20 AM

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Hi all,

Good morning!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/5/2013 2:45:59 PM

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G'mornin' you lot.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/5/2013 3:00:47 PM

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/5/2013 3:03:56 PM

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Hi all,

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Martin, do you have some video saves from your combat in "World of Tanks"?

I've got some, although I haven't uploaded any yet. TBH a lot of them are probably pretty boring to watch I tend to play long range tanks rather than close in brawlers. So there's a lot of skulking in bushes and shooting off a couple of rounds before relocating.

Can you upload some possibly?

BTW, have you seen my question regarding possibility of two human players in one tank - is that possible 8I played this so long ago that i forgot)?

Leo,

No its 1 player 1 tank as far as I can tell. The other semi-annoying feature is that its not axis versus allies. You can play as any nationality for either of the two teams. I's sure it created=s game balance and somesuch, but it grates on the nerves of wannabe historians like me.

RGR!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/5/2013 3:18:22 PM

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The Intercontinental Exchange is now following us on twitter.

Yayo!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/5/2013 3:38:22 PM

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Playin WoT at the moment if anyone cares to platoon..

name is same as my name here.

Awww....darn. Sorry I wasnt checking the forums. But anyway, best I have is a level 3.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/5/2013 3:40:23 PM

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And here is a Mouse with a bazooka.

Thats a prairie dog, you silly flightless foul fowl.

Mouse read my lips... If I want it to be a mouse, then it is a mouse, make it so!

Oh dear Thread, a Reagan-quoting Emu!

But wait....if you have lips.....then chickens have lips.....and if chickens have lips....it means that I may have figured out....what McNuggets are made of!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/5/2013 3:42:10 PM

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The Intercontinental Exchange is now following us on twitter.

Yayo!

What? Who?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/5/2013 3:55:27 PM

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The Intercontinental Exchange is now following us on twitter.

Yayo!

What? Who?

https://www.theice.com/about.jhtml

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/5/2013 4:22:01 PM

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 2/5/2013 4:39:06 PM

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The Intercontinental Exchange is now following us on twitter.

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