Chickenboy
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After 70-80 years, the USSR had basically succeeded in suppressing all elements of radical Islam...until it was again reintroduced thanks to our friends at the CIA.
Awww...shucks. You said 'friend'. Consider that payment with a fully extended historical middle finger held high for our 'friends' in the KGB over the years. Their overt / covert support of the conflicts in Korea and Vietnam made those very costly affairs in American lives. I've got zero sympathy for the Russians and what their meddling in the affairs of others hath wrought in the 20th century.
Now, looking forward, if the ledger's square-perhaps we can work together on some of these things moving forward. We both have a vested interest in beating down the calls for an islamic caliphate in central Asia. I can't believe that we can't find some common ground.
Either that or we can just let your Russian 'friends', the Chinese and Indians deal with a Taliban resurgent and a failed Pakistani state themselves. Because that triumvirate did such a bang up job the first time around.
You know, you really make me scratch my head pretty hard sometimes. By "friends" I was referring to the fact that some jackass thought it would be a good idea to arm and support religious fanatics with medieval ideas on government, relation of the sexes and quite a few other things based, seemingly, only on the notion that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. That idea doesnt even work in grade school with any consistency, much less the real adult world. As a result of the aforementioned jackasses actions, a region which had heretofore been relatively stable with regards to religious strife, suddenly regressed about 500 years, and I draw a direct causational line from that to 9/11. I really didnt think I would have to explain that, but there you, and you historical middle finger, are.
But you would like to go further by bringing in Korea and Vietnam. As you wish. Both conflicts had active duty Soviet military personnel involved in aiding the communist side. They were not KGB operations, as you seem to think. They were both conflicts fought on a national scale by both sides, albeit with significantly less commitment by the Soviets. The fact that you seem to be upset about American lives is what truly puzzles me, because as far as I can tell, American troops had as much business being there as Soviet troops, plenty of whom lost their lives also. Thats what happens in wars, even stupid, undeclared ones. It seems to me that the ones who should be really upset are the Koreans and Vietnamese.
But what really makes me wonder is that I think you have some sort of strange idea that American political chestnuts about "making the world safe for democracy" and such and such being "in American national interest" makes the least bit of sense, or has the least modicum of validity outside American politics. The fact that American actions based on these self serving ideas have gone unchallenged for 3/4 of a century does not lend them the smallest bit of credence since they were accomplished by indisputable force, not though any sort of international consensus. So as much as I feel that I'm telling a kid that theres no Santa Claus, I'm afraid I have to introduce you to the idea that the world at large does not give a rat's ass about our national interests and sees our attempts to make the world free for democracy as duplicitous, disingenuous, propagandist claptrap. Which is why you might notice that while foreigners might like individual Americans, they see our country as somewhat of brainless, insatiable beast.
Now, in a certain sense I agree with you. If the two sides in the Cold War had just left the rest of the world the f**k alone instead of fighting proxy wars, it would have been a much better place. In fact, I have zero sympathy for either side. If there was international will to cooperate, I think the US, Russia and China could have long ago put an end not only to radical Islam but a myriad of other conflicts such as the various bloodbaths in Africa. Unfortunately, every country has its "national interest" and theyre all equally asinine and counterproductive to world harmony. But until and unless the politicians of the world pull their heads out of their butts and start acting for the common good, instead of personal gain, not a thing will change. I dont know when this might happen but I'm 100% sure that I wont live to see it.
So many inane assumptions. So little time to explain them. And this is not the place.
In terms of political talk on this thread, don't start no stuff, won't be no stuff.
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 
The facts be damned these days .. 
Like Lenz (2004) "In the sample of 406 adults, no differences were found between the groups in health status, disease-specific physiologic measures, satisfaction or use of specialist, emergency room or inpatient services. Physician patients averaged more primary care visits than nurse practitioner patients. The results are consistent with the 6-month findings and with a growing body of evidence that the quality of primary care delivered by nurse practitioners is equivalent to that by physicians. " 
If I don't post tomorrow then you'll know that PZ is broken as well! 
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