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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 2/28/2019 7:48:50 PM

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The Allies continue to land more troops at the rail blocking location. I'm still amazed at how ready these troops are immediately. The late war Allied landing craft and APDs must really be the key there.

I think Dan has made so many landings in this game he has figured out lots of the nuances of large amphibious operations. And, as you say, lots of late more landing craft

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/1/2019 4:16:38 PM

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I think he is talking about landing at off base locations.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/1/2019 4:59:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: obvert

A few things I've been meaning to put up. Here are some looks at the economy.

Still got s good load of fuel. Supply starting to run down, but still, the economy is running well. Struggling for resources in the HI though. Still have some coming in from the South since the DS is occupied invading China.

That's a large amount of Fuel and HI in the bank for the last year of the war. Would that last you the rest of the game if you could not get any more back from the SRA?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/1/2019 5:24:48 PM

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It all depends on where the fuel is. If most of it is in the SRA, then it isn't going to do much good.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/2/2019 11:49:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: obvert

A few things I've been meaning to put up. Here are some looks at the economy.

Still got s good load of fuel. Supply starting to run down, but still, the economy is running well. Struggling for resources in the HI though. Still have some coming in from the South since the DS is occupied invading China.

That's a large amount of Fuel and HI in the bank for the last year of the war. Would that last you the rest of the game if you could not get any more back from the SRA?

It is a decent amount, but I haven't done calculations, and not running tracker it's hard to predict. It also depends on how much I use the remaining fleet and transports.

So far I can still squeeze some back to the HI via the mid-Pacific. Resources are also coming that way, which are at a critical point now. Hard to keep up for those.

Most of what I have is in Japan though. All of the fuel/oil bases were under 20k of fuel/oil until recently when he started preying more directly on tankers and hit the ships around Singers.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/2/2019 11:50:48 AM

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I think he is talking about landing at off base locations.

Yes. When he lands three infantry units off-base and they're only 30-50% disabled it means he has a lot flexibility in how to cut off my troops and delay reinforcements.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/4/2019 1:14:56 PM

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May 17, 1945

I turned up the ASW in the North and South to high, with many incredibly experienced air groups and some brand new shiny E class boats bumbling around trying to steer away from massed Allied task forces. I'm running a lot of fuel and resources through the central Pacific, and for the most part they're getting through. Dan's focus on the protection of the Chinese invasion has meant that other paths are completely open. If there is a weakness in the kitchen sink op, this is it. It's unassailable, but only in a small radius of the map.

All tankers and a bunch of large, quick and efficient xAKs cargo haulers are heading South to pick up new loads. I'll adopt a pack strategy against so many marauding subs, and keep an eye out for a change of tactics here to make sure I don't blindly run 50 ships into the DS.

On the day about 5 subs reported hit and one given a decent pounding by SC near Sumatra.

Sweeps got about 1:1 over Tungchow in China and Toyohara on Sakhalin today. Trying to keep the pressure on his pools and pilots.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 17, 1945
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Sub attack near Singapore at 49,83

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-16
SC CHa-4

Allied Ships
SS Trump, hits 6

Captain of SS Trump elects not to launch torpedoes at this target

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Morning Air attack on Tungchow , at 92,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 40,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 38

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 4
P-38L Lightning x 13
P-47N Thunderbolt x 10
P-51D Mustang x 56
F4U-1A Corsair x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 10 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 5 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-83 sweeping at 40530 feet

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Morning Air attack on Tungchow , at 92,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 13 NM, estimated altitude 44,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 38

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 4
P-38L Lightning x 12
P-47N Thunderbolt x 10
P-51D Mustang x 40
F4U-1A Corsair x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on Toyohara , at 124,46

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 44,270 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 19
P-51D Mustang x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-84r Frank sweeping at 38270 feet

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Morning Air attack on Tungchow , at 92,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 11 NM, estimated altitude 44,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 49

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 4
P-38L Lightning x 10
P-47N Thunderbolt x 10
P-51D Mustang x 28
F4U-1A Corsair x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Morning Air attack on Toyohara , at 124,46

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 169 NM, estimated altitude 42,370 feet.
Estimated time to target is 48 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 20

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 10
P-51D Mustang x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Tungchow , at 92,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 162 NM, estimated altitude 42,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 39 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 8

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 3
P-38L Lightning x 8
P-47N Thunderbolt x 9
P-51D Mustang x 22
F4U-1A Corsair x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed

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Ground combat at 90,51 (near Nanking)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1584 troops, 6 guns, 147 vehicles, Assault Value = 313

Defending force 2611 troops, 14 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 7

Allied adjusted assault: 72

Japanese adjusted defense: 4

Allied assault odds: 18 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(-), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1128 casualties reported
Squads: 99 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 25 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 7 (5 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
194th Tank Battalion
Port Moresby Brigade
503rd Parachute Regiment
14th NZ Brigade

Defending units:
3rd RGC Capital Division

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Ground combat at Battambang (58,65)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1280 troops, 0 guns, 92 vehicles, Assault Value = 1006

Defending force 2071 troops, 28 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 21

Allied adjusted assault: 54

Japanese adjusted defense: 45

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
1st New Chinese Corps
77th Indian Para Bde /1

Defending units:
I/84th Naval Guard Unit
I/66th Nav Gd /1
37th Const Co
201st JAAF AF Bn

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/4/2019 1:29:15 PM

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A current map. He has some decent fighter bases here now. My sweeps will have to start eating around the edges for a while as the Ki-83 recover from the past few.

I've gotten everything back into strat mode at Pengpu, and I'm now waiting to see how his forces move and if I can buy a bit more time there for the growing defence of Shanghai.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/4/2019 1:30:29 PM

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Here is progress on Malaya. I should get about 1,500-1,800 AV into Singers, which will make it pretty tough until it runs out of supply. I'll try to keep loading that in as long as possible.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/4/2019 1:48:03 PM

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May 18, 1945

I decided to sweep for one more day before some rest, and results were mediocre in China. Not quite 1:1, but still decent.

The Allies win Battambang, opening a road to Pnom Penh. We'll see which route the Allies choose to move forward, as tanks are also now knocking on the door at Udon Thani. That one I'll contest, just for kicks. I can support with some air cover and the base in the clear does have three forts, two brigades and some AA cover. We'll see. Maybe a week or two delay.

The KB seems unseen lately, which is odd. Perfectly visible if he'd been retconning and searching around the HI.

I've now urned tail at Pengpu and all units will be railing away tomorrow. It looks like the Allies have a tank army between there and Nanking, and should be moving forward there. I'll send a few to blocking hexes along the rail, but nothing too heavy. Most will set up in central China.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 18, 1945
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Allied Ships
DMS Boggs, Shell hits 3
DD Perkins, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

Chugoku JNAF Base Force firing at DMS Boggs
DMS Boggs firing at Chugoku JNAF Base Force
6 mines cleared

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ASW attack near Lingga at 52,88

Japanese Ships
PB Keijo Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
E No.112
PB Ronsan Maru

Allied Ships
SS Trespasser, hits 6

SS Trespasser launches 6 torpedoes at PB Keijo Maru
Trespasser bottoming out ....

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Morning Air attack on Kiangtu , at 91,51

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 44,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 8

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 16
F4U-1D Corsair x 12
P-51D Mustang x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Taichow , at 92,52

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 44,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 11

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 21
F6F-5 Hellcat x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Kiangtu , at 91,51

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 45,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 24

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 13
F4U-1D Corsair x 9
P-51D Mustang x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 4 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Tungchow , at 92,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 42,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 18

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 5
P-38L Lightning x 6
P-47N Thunderbolt x 10
P-51D Mustang x 54
F4U-1A Corsair x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed
P-38L Lightning: 2 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 3 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on Tungchow , at 92,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 42,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 36

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 3
P-38L Lightning x 3
P-47N Thunderbolt x 9
P-51D Mustang x 49
F4U-1A Corsair x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Ground combat at Battambang (58,65)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 26340 troops, 162 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2284

Defending force 2599 troops, 35 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 23

Allied adjusted assault: 1570

Japanese adjusted defense: 21

Allied assault odds: 74 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Battambang !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1652 casualties reported
Squads: 27 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 59 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 13 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 19 (17 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3
Units destroyed 2

Allied ground losses:
187 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units pursuing 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
1st New Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Corps
5th Indian Division
77th Indian Para Bde /1

Defending units:
I/84th Naval Guard Unit
I/66th Nav Gd /1
21st Div /1
37th Const Co
201st JAAF AF Bn

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Another odd issue today. I've not seen this one before. Two regiments that have been digging in near Port Arthur have very quickly developed level 6 and level 7 forts, apparently. Not sure how that happened. It's probably moot as it looks like the main invasion up here has already occurred. These were set up to disable any non-base landings to block rail into Port Arthur. Has anyone ever seen this one before?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/4/2019 1:59:30 PM

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What's your supply situation at Shanghai?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/4/2019 2:06:34 PM

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What's your supply situation at Shanghai?

I've got about 38k there right now but I'm trying to feed more from the PI and SRA coming over to Hong Kong and Amoy in small TFs. Most bases in China are flush but not over loaded. So there is not a lot of excess to move around. I've got some in the South though, so the longer I can add the supply in the better.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 3/4/2019 2:15:43 PM

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May 19, 1945

Some small bombardments and some little mine clearing TFs tangle with mines and CD guns in Shanghai. Also, a small invasion goes in at Sabang, where mines take a toll.

The terrain and forts at Shanghai seem to be working as very little damage or loss of supply occurs with the bombardments from the CL led TFs used so far.

A situation is occurring at Udon Thani that I'd hoped to avoid by having some good AT guns in hex. The tanks attack, get a 1:2, but face only a few losses while the defending brigades are heavily disabled. So. Tomorrow bombers will pick up the slack and hit hard against the Allied units. Not to many fighters around, so I'll LR CAP too and see what the few fighters and FB around here can do.

I'd like to hold off here for another week or two. I'll send in more AT guns too and see if that helps.

All is away at Pengpu, so the 50AV unit there will form a rear defence and be vaporised in a day or two.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 19, 1945
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TF 808 encounters mine field at Shanghai (92,55) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

13 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DMS Gherardi

Chugoku JNAF Base Force firing at DMS Gherardi
DMS Gherardi firing at Chugoku JNAF Base Force
8 mines cleared

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TF 858 encounters mine field at Sabang (44,70)

Allied Ships
APD Earle B. Hall, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
APD Runels, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Night Naval bombardment of Hankow at 85,50

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 14 damaged
Ki-83: 19 damaged
Ki-83: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-II Tony: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Madison
DD Mayo

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 23
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1

DD Madison firing at Hankow
DD Mayo firing at Hankow

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Night Naval bombardment of Shanghai at 92,55

Allied Ships
CL Ceylon
DD Roebuck
DD Zellars

CL Ceylon firing at 38th Division
DD Roebuck firing at 38th Division
DD Zellars firing at 38th Division

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TF 858 encounters mine field at Sabang (44,70)

Allied Ships
APD Earle B. Hall, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

1 mine cleared

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Morning Air attack on 50th Field AA Battalion, at 61,59 (Udon Thani)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 5
B-25J11 Mitchell x 7
P-38L Lightning x 11

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 6 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-25J11 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 55th Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 50th Field AA Battalion ...
Also attacking 55th Ind.Mixed Brigade ...

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Ground combat at Udon Thani (61,59)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3099 troops, 0 guns, 205 vehicles, Assault Value = 264

Defending force 12754 troops, 174 guns, 22 vehicles, Assault Value = 288

Allied adjusted assault: 55

Japanese adjusted defense: 156

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
486 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 49 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 17 (1 destroyed, 16 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Provisionl Tank Brigade
754th Tank Battalion
3rd Cavalry Regiment

Defending units:
28th Ind.Mixed Brigade
55th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Sasebo SNLF Coy
8th Field AF Construction Battalion
60th Field AA Battalion
54th Field AA Battalion
43rd Const Co
50th Field AA Battalion
53rd Const Co
51st Field AA Battalion
84th JAAF AF Bn

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May 20, 1945

Got a few days behind over the weekend, so this one will catch up to current.

An interesting test sweep by some P-47N and P-51D has them coming in at 11k against my low CAP at Ominato. That didn't really work. A low/high mix can be effective, but only low means that some can climb above them. The first sweep downed almost an entire group of P-47N, and the next was a co-operating sweep with two P-51D groups and the extra P-47N planes, and they did slightly better but still not great.

At Udon Thani about half of my bombers fly, which is annoying, as the ones that do are unopposed and very effective. The tanks only get a 1:9 and still don't lower forts. Unfortunately the LR CAP wears out too quickly and can't really stop the hundreds of Allied bombers hitting our troops. I'll bring some more down to add, and this next turn will scatter bombing to nearby units arriving as well to minimise losses from the expected LR CAP.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 20, 1945
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Night Naval bombardment of Nanking at 91,52 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 4 damaged

41 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CL Ceylon
DD Roebuck, Shell hits 1
DD Zellars
DMS Gherardi

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Manpower hits 2
Fires 270
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 17
Port hits 9
Port fuel hits 1

CL Ceylon firing at Nanking

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Night Naval bombardment of Nanking at 91,52 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 4 damaged

22 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Iowa
BB South Dakota, Shell hits 2
CA Salt Lake City
CL Wilkes-Barre
DD Eaton
DD DeHaven
DD Converse
DD Cogswell
DD Chevalier
DD Chauncey
DD Charrette
DD Boyd

Japanese ground losses:
134 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

Heavy Industry hits 4
Light Industry hits 1
Manpower hits 2
Fires 367
Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 32
Port hits 7
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Iowa
BB Iowa firing at 15th Base Force

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Amphibious Assault at Nanking (91,52)

TF 174 troops unloading over beach at Nanking, 91,52

Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Pre-Invasion action off Wusih (91,53)

16 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LCI(G)-530
LCI(G)-528
LCI(G)-469
LCI(G)-440
LCI(G)-438
LCI(G)-437
LCI(M)-810
LCI(M)-809
LCI(M)-808
LCI(M)-805
LCI(M)-804
LCI(M)-803
LCI(R)-770
LCI(R)-644
APA Harry Lee
DE Doherty

Japanese ground losses:
770 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 41 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 63 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)

LCI(G)-530 fired at enemy troops

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Amphibious Assault at Wusih (91,53)

TF 472 troops unloading over beach at Wusih, 91,53

Allied ground losses:
341 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 66 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 52 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 50 (0 destroyed, 50 disabled)
Vehicles lost 69 (0 destroyed, 69 disabled)

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ASW attack near Iwo-jima at 98,81

Japanese Ships
E Aotaka
AV Sanuki Maru
AV Kiyokawa Maru
AV Kimikawa Maru
AV Akitsushima
DD Sumire
DD Hagi

Allied Ships
SS Chivo, hits 5

SS Chivo is sighted by escort
Chivo diving deep ....

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Morning Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 11 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 17
A7M2 Sam x 17
J2M5 Jack x 24
Ki-84r Frank x 20

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 8 destroyed

CAP engaged:
S-312 Hikotai with A7M2 Sam (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
352 Ku S-1 with J2M5 Jack (2 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling)
18 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes
352 Ku S-2 with A6M8 Zero (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 5 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
55th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
14 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 72 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 11
A7M2 Sam x 14
J2M5 Jack x 19
Ki-84r Frank x 18

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 5
P-51D Mustang x 46

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 11000 feet
4 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 11000 feet
9 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 11000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Provisionl Tank Brigade, at 61,59 (Udon Thani)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 33
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 3
Ki-83 x 27
Ki-102b Randy x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
92 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
33 x B6N2a Jill bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Cavalry Regiment, at 61,59 (Udon Thani)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 6 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 40
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 8
Ki-83 x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 30 (6 destroyed, 24 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 1000' *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
10 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 3000' *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
10 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 2000' *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking Provisionl Tank Brigade ...
Also attacking 3rd Cavalry Regiment ...

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Morning Air attack on 754th Tank Battalion, at 61,59 (Udon Thani)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 3
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 18
Ki-83 x 18
Ki-102b Randy x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 16 (1 destroyed, 15 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 84th JAAF AF Bn , at 61,59 (Udon Thani)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 13
Ki-83 x 10
Ki-102b Randy x 18

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 10
Thunderbolt I x 18
Hudson I x 4
B-24J Liberator x 14
B-25D1 Mitchell x 5
B-25H Mitchell x 2
B-25J1 Mitchell x 9
B-25J11 Mitchell x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 3 damaged
Thunderbolt I: 5 destroyed
Hudson I: 3 damaged
Hudson I: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25J1 Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
359 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 55th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 61,59 (Udon Thani)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-83 x 3
Ki-102b Randy x 7

Allied aircraft
Blenheim VD x 3
Liberator B.VI x 3
B-25C Mitchell x 7
A-20G Havoc x 3
A-26B Invader x 6
B-24J Liberator x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim VD: 2 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 1 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 3 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 2 damaged
A-26B Invader: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
374 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 28th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 61,59 (Udon Thani)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 4
Ki-83 x 2
Ki-102b Randy x 5

Allied aircraft
Wellington Ic x 3
Wellington B.X x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington Ic: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Wellington B.X: 8 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
164 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Wellington B.X bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 120th Division, at 52,66 (Chumphon)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 19

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Udon Thani (61,59)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1536 troops, 6 guns, 146 vehicles, Assault Value = 248

Defending force 11110 troops, 177 guns, 22 vehicles, Assault Value = 195

Allied adjusted assault: 18

Japanese adjusted defense: 177

Allied assault odds: 1 to 9 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-)
Attacker: disruption(-), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
211 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
754th Tank Battalion
Provisionl Tank Brigade
3rd Cavalry Regiment

Defending units:
55th Ind.Mixed Brigade
28th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Sasebo SNLF Coy
43rd Const Co
53rd Const Co
84th JAAF AF Bn
8th Field AF Construction Battalion
54th Field AA Battalion
50th Field AA Battalion
51st Field AA Battalion
60th Field AA Battalion
6th RF Gun Bn /1

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A pretty good day in the air, but it should have been a bit better down South. Lots of old vulnerable 2E flying there that must be hit!!

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In all my time in this game I have never learned what sizes Daitais and Sentais are, but I can tell you without reservation that 14 P47Ns doesn't come close to representing a Group.

Groups typically consist of 3-4 and in rare cases 5 squadrons.

American fighter squadrons carry 25 planes and groups no less than 75.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

In all my time in this game I have never learned what sizes Daitais and Sentais are, but I can tell you without reservation that 14 P47Ns doesn't come close to representing a Group.

Groups typically consist of 3-4 and in rare cases 5 squadrons.

American fighter squadrons carry 25 planes and groups no less than 75.

You're right. I've gotten to calling anything that is a stand alone entity in game a "group." I know this doesn't correspond to actual designations and configurations.

The fighter groups he is flying are indeed slightly under their max of 25 airframes. You'll get 14 sweeping, then 3 later. I attribute this to empty pools, but of course it could be flying directly after upgrades or previous battles and not having had enough time pass to be able to refill the group.

Sentai is a larger group. Daitai and Chutai are smaller parts of a larger group.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert
Sentai is a larger group. Daitai and Chutai are smaller parts of a larger group.

I think Daitai is a larger one for IJNAF, and Sentai - for IJAAF.
Chutai is part of the larger group, in both army and navy.

And then there is resizing

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May 21, 1945

Another interesting turn here. The Allies take Nanking easily with three IDs including the 3rd and 4th Marine. This actually makes me feel like I've made the right choice. It looks like the feigned attempt to open the rail led to the Allies heading this way in force and allowing the reinforcement of Shanghai from the other side to go on unhindered. I should be able to get a few more divisions, possibly up to four, into the area, although I'm not sure I'll put them into Shanghai. I'll see how the Allies spread their forces.

I'm trying to walk a very good CD gun base force around to Hangchow. Shhhhh.

All other troops moved from Korea are at Hankow and Wuchow after railing out, and some moving down toward the Hangchow area as well as the ones moving up from the coast.

The Allies try more sweeps in the North. This time high. Hellcats are decimated, but what is surprising me (and I'm sure Dan) is that the P-51D and P-47N continue to struggle as well. They sweep Muroran, probably hoping to get some bleeding CAP in small numbers. Instead they find a massive CAP of bleeding CAP led in by radar and sitting down low in their layers. The pilots in some of these groups were just changed out to get more of the best to the China theatre. The new pilots were in the high 50s and low 60s exp levels, and they've gotten a good bump over the past few turns, with a lot of new aces and some getting to the 70s in exp.

The Allies also try a flurry of night bombing raids by fragile 1E USN/USMC bombers. The Avengers and Helldivers are harassed by NF and flak, and almost 40 are shot down or lost to flak on the day.

Down South the armoured units at Udon Thani shrug off more bombing runs and shock for a 1:1 lowering forts. It won't be long, but I'll go all in on bombing and see what I can hit anyways. The Allies send 300+ bombers on the day, and although flak limits their effectiveness, this proves the deciding factor in tipping things over the edge.

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Sub attack near Daito Shoto at 101,74

Japanese Ships
SC Ch 55
SC Ch 37
SC Ch 34
AMC Kinryu Maru
TK Tempi Maru
TK Tonan Maru #2
TK Kyokuyo Maru
E No.45
E No.14

Allied Ships
SS Requin, hits 3

SS Requin launches 6 torpedoes at SC Ch 55
Requin diving deep ....

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Sub attack near Daito Shoto at 101,74

Japanese Ships
SC Ch 55
SC Ch 46
SC Ch 37
SC Ch 34
AMC Kinryu Maru
TK Tempi Maru
TK Tonan Maru #2
TK Kyokuyo Maru
E No.45
E No.14

Allied Ships
SS Requin, hits 29, heavy damage

SS Requin launches 6 torpedoes at SC Ch 55
E No.45 attacking submerged sub ....

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Night Air attack on Asahikawa , at 121,51

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y2-S Frances x 7

Allied aircraft
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x SB2C-4 Helldiver releasing from 10000'
City Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
352 Ku S-3/C with P1Y2-S Frances (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 9000.
Raid is overhead

Some CAP have air radar

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Night Air attack on Hirosaki/Aomori , at 118,54

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 5
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 17
Ki-102c Randy x 5

Allied aircraft
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x SB2C-3 Helldiver bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 46 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 13
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 3

Allied aircraft
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 5
TBM-3 Avenger x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 2 damaged
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
TBM-3 Avenger: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Fires 5

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x TBM-3 Avenger bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Hirosaki/Aomori , at 118,54

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 5
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 16
Ki-102c Randy x 4

Allied aircraft
TBM-3 Avenger x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-3 Avenger: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBM-3 Avenger bombing from 8000 feet *
City Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Amphibious Assault at Nanking (91,52)

TF 83 troops unloading over beach at Nanking, 91,52

Allied ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 47 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 57 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 18 (0 destroyed, 18 disabled)
Vehicles lost 17 (0 destroyed, 17 disabled)

5 troops of a US MMG Section accidentally lost during unload of 3rd Marine Div /3

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Morning Air attack on Muroran , at 120,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 37,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 36
N1K5-J George x 38
Ki-84r Frank x 29
Ki-100-II Tony x 9

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 15 destroyed

CAP engaged:
Yokosuka Ku S-2 with N1K5-J George (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(18 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 9 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
721 Ku S-1 with A6M8 Zero (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(15 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
S-308 Hikotai with N1K5-J George (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(20 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 14 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
S-313 Hikotai with A6M8 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(21 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 12 being recalled, 9 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
50th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(20 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 13 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
66th Sentai with Ki-100-II Tony (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(9 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
70th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(9 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 8 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Muroran , at 120,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 44,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 27
N1K5-J George x 29
Ki-84r Frank x 26
Ki-100-II Tony x 7

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Muroran , at 120,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 44,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 20
N1K5-J George x 24
Ki-84r Frank x 21
Ki-100-II Tony x 5

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 8 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Muroran , at 120,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 42,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 15
N1K5-J George x 22
Ki-84r Frank x 15
Ki-100-II Tony x 3

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 7 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 150th RAC Regiment, at 60,61 , near Nakhon Ratchasima

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 42

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 254th Armoured Brigade, at 61,60 , near Udon Thani

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 40
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 15 (1 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 754th Tank Battalion, at 61,59 (Udon Thani)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 22

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 15 (2 destroyed, 13 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 84th JAAF AF Bn , at 61,59 (Udon Thani)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 9
Blenheim VD x 3
Liberator B.VI x 8
B-25C Mitchell x 7
A-20G Havoc x 3
B-24J Liberator x 22
B-25H Mitchell x 2
B-25J1 Mitchell x 16
B-25J11 Mitchell x 10
P-38L Lightning x 20
P-51D Mustang x 2

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 5 damaged
Blenheim VD: 3 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 1 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 5 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 10 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25J1 Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25J1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25J11 Mitchell: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
201 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 10 (3 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 50th Field AA Battalion, at 61,59 (Udon Thani)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 14
Wellington B.X x 12
Beaufighter 21 x 5
Hudson I x 3
B-24J Liberator x 3
B-25D1 Mitchell x 2
B-25J1 Mitchell x 18
B-25J11 Mitchell x 18

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington B.X: 3 damaged
Wellington B.X: 1 destroyed by flak
Hudson I: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
B-25J1 Mitchell: 3 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Beaufighter 21 sweeping at 15000 feet *
3 x Hudson I bombing from 9000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on RGCN Weihaiwei Base Force, at 98,46 (Chefoo)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 8 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 11

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
227 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Sub attack near Soerabaja at 57,102

Japanese Ships
DD Take, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Tradewind

SS Tradewind launches 8 torpedoes
Sub escapes detection

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Ground combat at Udon Thani (61,59)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 5220 troops, 6 guns, 438 vehicles, Assault Value = 243

Defending force 10013 troops, 165 guns, 21 vehicles, Assault Value = 161

Allied adjusted assault: 44

Japanese adjusted defense: 34

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
1081 casualties reported
Squads: 24 destroyed, 51 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 15 (10 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
Provisionl Tank Brigade
754th Tank Battalion
3rd Cavalry Regiment

Defending units:
55th Ind.Mixed Brigade
28th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Sasebo SNLF Coy
50th Field AA Battalion
43rd Const Co
54th Field AA Battalion
51st Field AA Battalion
8th Field AF Construction Battalion
53rd Const Co
60th Field AA Battalion
84th JAAF AF Bn

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Ground combat at Nanking (91,52)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 15284 troops, 197 guns, 171 vehicles, Assault Value = 1264

Defending force 9178 troops, 62 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 168

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied adjusted assault: 1448

Japanese adjusted defense: 129

Allied assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Nanking !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
3300 casualties reported
Squads: 69 destroyed, 44 disabled
Non Combat: 138 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 22 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 12 (7 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Allied ground losses:
330 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 42 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
33rd Infantry Division
4th Marine Division
3rd Marine Division
225th Field Artillery Battalion
X US Corps
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
1st RGC Capital Division
22nd RGC Temp. Division
RGC Army
15th Base Force

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Ground combat at Pengpu (90,50)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3912 troops, 6 guns, 430 vehicles, Assault Value = 458

Defending force 1218 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 52

Allied adjusted assault: 308

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 308 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Pengpu !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender:
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1327 casualties reported
Squads: 66 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 52 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
2/6th Armoured Regiment
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
4th USMC Tank Battalion
6th USMC Tank Battalion
766th Tank Battalion
192nd Tank Battalion
3rd NZ Armoured Sqn

Defending units:
3rd RGC Route Brigade
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Huge losses for the Allies today, and all over IJ territory, so a lot of pilots KIA too I'll bet.

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Sentai is a larger group. Daitai and Chutai are smaller parts of a larger group.

I think Daitai is a larger one for IJNAF, and Sentai - for IJAAF.
Chutai is part of the larger group, in both army and navy.

And then there is resizing

Not that I'm an expert in Japanese air group terminology, but I think both the IJAAF and IJNAF used the name Sentai for a larger group, although in the IJNAF it meant a very large group governed by an HQ Flotilla.

A Hikotai was a term for a large flight group, and Daitai, Chutai and Shotai were increasingly smaller formations.

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The fighter groups he is flying are indeed slightly under their max of 25 airframes. You'll get 14 sweeping, then 3 later. I attribute this to empty pools, but of course it could be flying directly after upgrades or previous battles and not having had enough time pass to be able to refill the group.

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I think you are off in your interpretation. Sweeps almost never go in coordinated so you are seeing each squadrons allotment of percentage for that sweep.
A 25 plane squadron set to 70% sweep/30% rest will not send more than 16-17 airframes on any given sortie with that degraded by pilot fatigue/airframe fatigue and morale.

I would guess the squadron that only sent 3 planes may have only had 5 operational with the others in various states of maintenance, not necessarily due to losses unreplacable due to pool limits.

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The fighter groups he is flying are indeed slightly under their max of 25 airframes. You'll get 14 sweeping, then 3 later. I attribute this to empty pools, but of course it could be flying directly after upgrades or previous battles and not having had enough time pass to be able to refill the group.

I think you are off in your interpretation. Sweeps almost never go in coordinated so you are seeing each squadrons allotment of percentage for that sweep.
A 25 plane squadron set to 70% sweep/30% rest will not send more than 16-17 airframes on any given sortie with that degraded by pilot fatigue/airframe fatigue and morale.

I would guess the squadron that only sent 3 planes may have only had 5 operational with the others in various states of maintenance, not necessarily due to losses unreplacable due to pool limits.

Well, could be but it is virtually every sweep that has a small 2-3 plane group that comes in late. I can look at the air group numbers in the replay to confirm.

I can't imagine why he'd use rest while sweeping. Smaller groups suffer more in sweeps so he'd be better off waiting and using a full group later if possible. So I assume it's not possible.

For the P-47N he only gets 100/month and he's been losing them hand over fist lately. There are a few groups that arrive full during the spring, but I think it's only three for 75 planes, so not enough to really give too big a bump.

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Still getting some good transport hauls through. Here is a look at the approach.

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Another major troop dump in the HI. Not great divisions, but paired with a lot of the independent 15cm arty units arriving late as well as big forts, these will be a welcome addition. They will also empty my vehicles pool I'm sure with all of the motorised support needed.

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The situation. The Allies are sending armor forward many hexes ahead of AA or ID units. I'll aim to bomb and then try to knock them back.

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The Allies try more sweeps in the North. This time high. Hellcats are decimated, but what is surprising me (and I'm sure Dan) is that the P-51D and P-47N continue to struggle as well.

My guess would be pilot quality (or rather lack thereof), assisted of course by your masterful layering technique, is the issue here.

As usual, great job !

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The Allies try more sweeps in the North. This time high. Hellcats are decimated, but what is surprising me (and I'm sure Dan) is that the P-51D and P-47N continue to struggle as well.

My guess would be pilot quality (or rather lack thereof), assisted of course by your masterful layering technique, is the issue here.

As usual, great job !

Hartwig

I am wondering the same, as I can't figure out anything else that could cause such consistently bad results for him. Especially when they're not going against my absolute top pilots.

It looks like he may be trying to figure out a better sweeping system judging by the many different sweep altitude combinations I've seen recently. I know which work best against me, but I'm not going to share that just yet!

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Based on his previous games, he will fly units with fatigue levels higher than I would use.

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Based on his previous games, he will fly units with fatigue levels higher than I would use.

Right. That could do it too.

He has also flown groups that are very under-filled. So some sweeps will come with 5-8 fighters of a type. In extreme situations, flooding a base and supporting with numbers, I could see that, but not if it's really not necessary. If they hit a big CAP the defence swarms.

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May 22, 1945

Well, the block at Udon Thani couldn't hold long. the Allied air power made sure, and in spite of a valiant effort by IJAAF bombers, the troops were pushed back. Now the flood will commence.

All other major IJA units are retreating into China in order. The last IDs to walk to Vinh are just getting into strat mode now. They'll be at Lang Son in four days. I'll probably sacrifice a few more units to hold the hordes back in a few locations, but it's now only weeks, not months, until the Allies are moving over the Southern border into China. i've prepared for this all campaign. Nanning is forts 6, and will be a place for a small stand. I've also got units in the mountains dug in with forts 5-6 in some places that are likely paths for movement offload. It's a gamble to keep very good IDs out there, but the Chinese are beginning to move forward again, and if they shock over a river into x3 terrain against a unit with 6 forts, that will be good for me.

Allied tanks are moving forward into the Chinese plains, and IJAAF air strikes will commence to try and weaken them and slow the push. I want hi to have to be onerous, bring the AA and arty and IDs along overland, and not let him capture bases and rail forward as much as possible.

Got another sub today. Marauding DDs approach the Bonins where Lilys took a shot at them. No hits surprisingly, as these are very experienced pilots.
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TF 174 encounters mine field at Shanghai (92,55) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

20 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
AM Strength, Shell hits 4, on fire
AM Spectacle, Shell hits 3
AM Recruit, Shell hits 5, heavy fires

AM Strength firing at Chugoku JNAF Base Force
Chugoku JNAF Base Force firing at AM Strength
AM Recruit firing at Chugoku JNAF Base Force
30 mines cleared

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Sub attack near Tambelan Islands at 53,90

Japanese Ships
xAK Hukusei Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
E No.9

Allied Ships
SS Sleuth, hits 40, heavy damage

SS Sleuth launches 6 torpedoes at xAK Hukusei Maru
Sleuth bottoming out ....
Underwater explosion, debris and oil appear on surface!
Escort abandons search for sub

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Sub attack near Davao at 81,93

Japanese Ships
PB Keiko Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
PB Tokotsu Maru

Allied Ships
SS Harder

SS Harder launches 6 torpedoes at PB Keiko Maru

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Sub attack near Davao at 81,93

Japanese Ships
PB Keiko Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PB Tokotsu Maru

Allied Ships
SS Harder

SS Harder launches 6 torpedoes at PB Keiko Maru
Harder diving deep ....

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Morning Air attack on Udon Thani , at 61,59

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 6
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 2
Ki-83 x 8
Ki-102b Randy x 7

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Cavalry Regiment, at 61,59 (Udon Thani)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 4
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 47
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 4
Ki-83 x 6
Ki-102b Randy x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 32 (3 destroyed, 29 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 50th Tank Brigade, at 60,61 , near Nakhon Ratchasima

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 44

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 14 (3 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Provisionl Tank Brigade, at 61,59 (Udon Thani)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 9 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 4
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 15
Ki-83 x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
94 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Udon Thani , at 61,59

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 4
Ki-83 x 5
Ki-102b Randy x 6

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 15
P-38L Lightning x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 2 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Spitfire VIII sweeping at 10000 feet *
12 x P-38L Lightning sweeping at 10000 feet

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Morning Air attack on 55th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 61,59 (Udon Thani)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 9
Blenheim VD x 4
Liberator B.VI x 8
Wellington B.X x 11
B-24J Liberator x 6
B-25J11 Mitchell x 8

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 6 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 1 damaged
Wellington B.X: 3 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
252 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Liberator B.VI bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 50th Field AA Battalion, at 61,59 (Udon Thani)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 14
Hudson I x 3
B-24J Liberator x 3
B-25J11 Mitchell x 36

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
70 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B-25J11 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 31st Special Base Force, at 92,48 , near Haichow

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 11

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 4 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
62 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 13000 feet *
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Chichi-jima at 116,81

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 67 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-IIc Lily x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIc Lily: 4 destroyed, 7 damaged
Ki-48-IIc Lily: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Purdy
DD Compton
DD Gainard

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-48-IIc Lily releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 100 kg SAP Bomb
8 x Ki-48-IIc Lily releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 100 kg SAP Bomb
2 x Ki-48-IIc Lily releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 100 kg SAP Bomb

Banzai! - Kakimoto I. in a Ki-48-IIc Lily is willing to die for the Emperor
Banzai! - Chikami H. in a Ki-48-IIc Lily is willing to die for the Emperor

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Afternoon Air attack on 51st Field AA Battalion, at 61,59 (Udon Thani)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 1
Ki-83 x 7
Ki-102b Randy x 4

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 14
B-25C Mitchell x 3
B-24J Liberator x 3
B-25D1 Mitchell x 2
B-25J1 Mitchell x 3
B-25J11 Mitchell x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

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Ground combat at Nanking (91,52)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 14963 troops, 257 guns, 246 vehicles, Assault Value = 1726

Defending force 895 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 1416

Japanese adjusted defense: 5

Allied assault odds: 283 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1074 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 81 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
194th Tank Battalion
3rd Marine Division
33rd Infantry Division
706th Tank Battalion
775th Tank Battalion
4th Marine Division
3rd Motor Brigade
Port Moresby Brigade
225th Field Artillery Battalion
X US Corps
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
RGC Army

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-25J11 Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet *
Ground Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Udon Thani (61,59)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 2761 troops, 0 guns, 203 vehicles, Assault Value = 414

Defending force 8544 troops, 153 guns, 22 vehicles, Assault Value = 90

Allied adjusted assault: 50

Japanese adjusted defense: 11

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Udon Thani !!!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-102b Randy: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 4 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1161 casualties reported
Squads: 83 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 171 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 64 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 58 (58 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (11 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 12

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
254th Armoured Brigade
Provisionl Tank Brigade
754th Tank Battalion
3rd Cavalry Regiment

Defending units:
28th Ind.Mixed Brigade
55th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Sasebo SNLF Coy
43rd Const Co
84th JAAF AF Bn
60th Field AA Battalion
51st Field AA Battalion
53rd Const Co
8th Field AF Construction Battalion
50th Field AA Battalion
54th Field AA Battalion
4th RF Gun Bn /1
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I mangled to sneak in a fast transport with the unflyable elements of a division that moved to Shanghai. It'll probably be sunk, but as yet is undetected. In case small strike arrive it is LR CAPed from Taihoku.

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May 23, 1945

The 23rd sees a lot of minor actions that have longer term implications for he game. The Allies continue to bomb troops around Udon Thani, and the IJA forces still make good progress toward Vientianne and it's x3 terrain with 6 forts. I'd love to get in there and see if I can mess up a tank unit or two trying to cross.

Up in NE China the Allies keep sending in small DMS to work on the Shanghai mines. They take some shots but do clear some.

The IJAAF takes some shots at advanced tank units the Allies sent forward. Can't get too many good hits on them. There is no flak present and these units are using the highly experienced pilots from early war. All 70-80exp and 75-80 skill in land bombing. A bit frustrating. I'll add even more tomorrow.

As part of this effort I tried a Randy Ki-102a sweep. This plane can go to 44k, so I let it run, but at max distance. The much larger group suffered against only 10 Hellcats flying at 10k. Hmmmm. I'll move it in closer to see if that helps.
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TF 808 encounters mine field at Shanghai (92,55) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

26 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DMS Gherardi
DMS Boggs, Shell hits 2
DD Roebuck, Mine hits 1

DMS Gherardi firing at Shanghai Special Base Force
Shanghai Special Base Force firing at DMS Gherardi
Chugoku JNAF Base Force firing at DMS Boggs
DMS Boggs firing at Chugoku JNAF Base Force
25 mines cleared

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Night Naval bombardment of Shanghai at 92,55

Japanese Ships
ACM Shinko Maru #1, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
CL Ceylon
DD Zellars
DMS Gherardi
DMS Boggs

Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 27
Port hits 1

CL Ceylon firing at Shanghai
DD Zellars firing at 38th Division

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Morning Air attack on 711th Tank Battalion, at 92,49 , near Haichow

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-102a Randy x 39

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-102a Randy: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-102a Randy sweeping at 44000 feet *

CAP engaged:
VC(F)-27 with F6F-5 Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes

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Morning Air attack on 766th Tank Battalion, at 89,50 (Hwainan)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 35
N1K2-J George x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
35 x B6N2a Jill bombing from 2000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 3rd NZ Armoured Sqn , at 89,50 (Hwainan)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 22
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 22

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 22 (3 destroyed, 19 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 5000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 55th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 62,58 , near Udon Thani

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 6
Blenheim VD x 7
Hudson I x 3
A-20G Havoc x 3
B-24J Liberator x 6
B-25D1 Mitchell x 2
B-25H Mitchell x 2
B-25J1 Mitchell x 12
B-25J11 Mitchell x 35
P-38L Lightning x 17

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 3 damaged
B-25D Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak
Blenheim VD: 3 damaged
Hudson I: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25J1 Mitchell: 3 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 31st Special Base Force, at 92,48 , near Haichow

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 7

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 13000 feet *
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 90,52 (near Nanking)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 6144 troops, 17 guns, 563 vehicles, Assault Value = 658

Defending force 2537 troops, 14 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 54

Allied adjusted assault: 386

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 386 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
2866 casualties reported
Squads: 157 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 164 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 11 (11 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
194th Tank Battalion
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
775th Tank Battalion
706th Tank Battalion
44th Tank Battalion
3rd Motor Brigade

Defending units:
1st RGC Capital Division

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