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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/10/2019 10:37:11 PM

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Your a2a results are amazing for this stage of the game.

And then you went and shoot down 170 4Es in one day in your own game

Competitive spirit!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/13/2019 9:46:33 AM

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Here is a look at some of the Burma Army now in China. It's strange for so many units of free IJA troops to have accumulated so many victories without ever being forced to retreat and replace devices. So EXP for many of these units has never gone down, only up. This is especially unique for the arty and AA units, which really show that EXP in their results. These are the good 12cm AA regiments as well.

For now the most experienced will move to Liuchow with about 1,500AV staying in Nanning. Another ID is one hex away, and a second two hexes away in case reinforcements are necessary later.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/13/2019 10:09:28 AM

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July 9-10, 1945

On the 9th not much happens. The Allies do continue their bombing, and Helldivers especially take the brunt of it from AA at Hangchow. A good selection of 1E, 2E and 4E are downed on the day though. The Allies lose 27 planes to flak, ops and A to A for search and recon.

A small Jake unit flies to strike a small amphib TF near Haipohong and takes out a small xAP with two kami hits.

The Allies indeed have pulled out of Nanning, and a lone Chinese Corps straggles, getting a pounding from the IJA arty as a farewell.

On the 10th the Allies try a big night raid on Matsue on the Northern coast of Honshu. Not much there, and the Allies hit Manpower, starting large fires but only so far damaging 4 resource factories out of 40. The NF react and catch up to a few of the beasts, knocking down 2 within another listed as an ops loss.

I tried a small LR CAP over Singers for one purpose. I saw the new Spit XIV flying sweeps low here and wanted to see what the Ki-83 could do against them with the once. Trouble is the Tuhnderbolt II have been sweeping high and arriving earlier, which they did again, so only a few Ki-83 were left to fight. Got a 1:1 with the Spits though.

The Allies have been sending a lot of small APD incursions to take dot bases in the Southern DEI, and today three APDs ventured near Timor. A Judy group and a Kate group both sortied and sank all three. Small stuff, but still fun.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 9, 1945
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Haiphong at 68,59

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
E13A1 Jake x 5

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAP Belray, Kamikaze hits 2, and is sunk
xAP St. Quentin

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x E13A1 Jake bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Hangchow , at 90,55

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 11
P-38L Lightning x 25
P-51D Mustang x 22
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 19
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 1
TBM-3 Avenger x 47

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 10 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 3 destroyed by flak
TBM-3 Avenger: 3 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 19

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 4000'
Airfield Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Nanning (72,55)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6729 troops, 275 guns, 314 vehicles, Assault Value = 3900

Defending force 25054 troops, 162 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 777

Allied ground losses:
367 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 34 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Assaulting units:
48th Division
18th Division
1st Ind. Engineer Regiment
105th Division
55th Division
103rd Division
70th Division
5th Division
2nd Division
16th Division
91st Naval Guard Unit
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
16th Army
24th JNAF AF Unit
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Air Defense AA Battalion
38th Ind. Engineer Regiment
1st JAAF Base Force
1st Air Defense AA Battalion
4th RF Gun Battalion
11th Shipping Engineer Regiment
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
6th RF Gun Battalion
2nd Medium Mortar Battalion
34th Field AA Battalion
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
56th Field AA Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
125th AA Regiment
3rd RF Gun Battalion
115th AA Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion
113th AA Regiment
53rd Construction Battalion
112th AA Regiment
88th JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
1st New Chinese Corps

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Ground combat at Johore Bahru (50,83)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 117472 troops, 1798 guns, 1556 vehicles, Assault Value = 3075

Defending force 59740 troops, 487 guns, 279 vehicles, Assault Value = 1591

Japanese ground losses:
124 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 10, 1945
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Night Air attack on Matsue , at 107,57

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 10
Ki-102c Randy x 4

Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 62

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 16 damaged

Manpower hits 84
Fires 44530

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
5th Sentai/B with Ki-102c Randy (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 6000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 6 minutes
53rd Sentai/A with Ki-45 KAId Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 9 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 5
Ki-83 x 15
Ki-102b Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-83: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt II: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 4
Ki-102b Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
Spitfire F.XIV x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire F.XIV: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Spitfire F.XIV sweeping at 11000 feet

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Wetar Island at 72,114

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y4 Judy x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y4 Judy: 1 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
APD Bowers, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
APD Chase, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD Frament, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Wetar Island at 72,114

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
APD Bowers, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD Chase, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Hangchow , at 90,55

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 11
P-38L Lightning x 25
P-51D Mustang x 22
TBM-3 Avenger x 35

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-3 Avenger: 10 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 2 destroyed by flak

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x TBM-3 Avenger bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/13/2019 3:41:14 PM

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Obvert,

A question about the E13A1 attack on the xAP Belray-was this a naval search group or a kamikaze group? Did they 'voluntarily' kamikaze attack the xAP or were they set for that?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/13/2019 4:34:26 PM

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Obvert,

A question about the E13A1 attack on the xAP Belray-was this a naval search group or a kamikaze group? Did they 'voluntarily' kamikaze attack the xAP or were they set for that?

I've seen myself that groups on naval attack at low altitude tend to kami at a much higher rate than other groups. My guess is that it's related to Alfred's points previously regarding voluntary kamikaze.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/13/2019 6:45:26 PM

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Obvert,

A question about the E13A1 attack on the xAP Belray-was this a naval search group or a kamikaze group? Did they 'voluntarily' kamikaze attack the xAP or were they set for that?

I've seen myself that groups on naval attack at low altitude tend to kami at a much higher rate than other groups. My guess is that it's related to Alfred's points previously regarding voluntary kamikaze.

I wonder what the frequency of such voluntary kamikaze attacks is relative to the Combat Report message, "So-and-so kamikaze attacks for the emperor" or some such. Does the message (or lack thereof) tell you anything about the rationale for the kamikaze attack? The fact that neither kamikaze attack was identified in a postscript message-is that actionable?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/13/2019 7:24:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Obvert,

A question about the E13A1 attack on the xAP Belray-was this a naval search group or a kamikaze group? Did they 'voluntarily' kamikaze attack the xAP or were they set for that?

I've seen myself that groups on naval attack at low altitude tend to kami at a much higher rate than other groups. My guess is that it's related to Alfred's points previously regarding voluntary kamikaze.

+1 MM, Obvert likes to fly Jakes at 1000 foot attacks since they still drop a full bomb load, but are subject to horrible AA...causing those damaged planes to take one for the Emperor. This late in the game you can really work that to your advantage!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/13/2019 7:26:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Obvert,

A question about the E13A1 attack on the xAP Belray-was this a naval search group or a kamikaze group? Did they 'voluntarily' kamikaze attack the xAP or were they set for that?

They were on naval attack.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/14/2019 8:05:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

quote:

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Obvert,

A question about the E13A1 attack on the xAP Belray-was this a naval search group or a kamikaze group? Did they 'voluntarily' kamikaze attack the xAP or were they set for that?

I've seen myself that groups on naval attack at low altitude tend to kami at a much higher rate than other groups. My guess is that it's related to Alfred's points previously regarding voluntary kamikaze.

+1 MM, Obvert likes to fly Jakes at 1000 foot attacks since they still drop a full bomb load, but are subject to horrible AA...causing those damaged planes to take one for the Emperor. This late in the game you can really work that to your advantage!

Exactly. It's still not going to work much. So I just have a few groups in opportune locations when something is near that isn't covered by the DS. That is rare. The Allies i this game are always shepherded by an 1,000 plane CAP.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/14/2019 8:15:38 AM

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July 11, 1945

The Allies keep on with the milk runs and lose a good amount to flak. They fl sweeps at Wuchang, and although the first compete well, they are worn down through the battles and by the last P-47N sweep the Allies dominate. Still only 2:1 on the day over our base. Not the day with flak and other losses added, it's still almost even. I'll look back on the 15th and do some math, but I think this has been the most bloody month of time in the air during the game.

The Allies also try a para-drop on Karenko in the mountains of Formosa. The B-29s tried to soften up the troops, but this is x3 with 3 forts and an IJA regiment. They weren't budged and the Allied attack collapsed completely at a 1:38. The DS is hovering now off the coast of China. Is there another operation afoot?
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 11, 1945
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Night Naval bombardment of Shanghai at 92,55

Allied Ships
CA Canberra II
CL Astoria II
DD Remey
DD Pringle
DD Mullany
DD McNair
DD Heermann

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Manpower hits 1
Repair Shipyard hits 1
Fires 62
Airbase hits 7
Runway hits 8
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for CA Canberra II
CA Canberra II firing at 132nd Division

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Morning Air attack on Wuchang , at 84,51

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 44,600 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 28
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 16
Ki-84r Frank x 18

Allied aircraft
F4U-4 Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-4 Corsair: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Wuchang , at 84,51

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 22
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 11
Ki-84r Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Hangchow , at 90,55

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-20G Havoc x 3
A-26B Invader x 31
B-24J Liberator x 30
P-38L Lightning x 2
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 24

Allied aircraft losses
A-20G Havoc: 1 damaged
A-26B Invader: 6 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 10 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 18000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Hangchow , at 90,55

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 46 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 18
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 9
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 9

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 4 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 4 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 18000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Allied aircraft
Wellington B.X x 11
Wellington GR.XIII x 6
B-24J Liberator x 14

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington B.X: 3 damaged
Wellington B.X: 1 destroyed by flak
Wellington GR.XIII: 3 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Wellington GR.XIII bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Sasebo 8th SNLF, at 87,64 (Karenko)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 19

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 7 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
115 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Wuchang , at 84,51

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 14
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 9

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Wuchang , at 84,51

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 7
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 3

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 4 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

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Ground combat at Karenko (87,64)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 520 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 48

Defending force 4096 troops, 32 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 116

Allied adjusted assault: 6

Japanese adjusted defense: 232

Allied assault odds: 1 to 38 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)
preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
184 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 44 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
503rd Parachute Rgt /1

Defending units:
26th Ind.Mixed Regiment

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/14/2019 8:21:00 AM

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I still can only manage one pilot over 20 kills. There are many many good 80+ EXP jocks up there though. I've been retraining a lot of 70-85 eXP pilots in defence, which takes a bit of time, but should be worth it if I can get them up over 65 at least. Some were in the 25-35 range, which is bad.

Only lost 12 KIA this turn which is positive.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/14/2019 8:24:00 AM

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Interesting amount of troops now at Nanking as the forward positions shrink. They're not yet moving forward and most of the forward bases are ungarrisoned as well, (which I guess means I'm getting some extra VP for those every turn

).

What will he do next?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/14/2019 8:43:36 AM

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This is a look at the DS. Moving slowly South. Is this something new?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/14/2019 3:23:33 PM

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I never really understood most late game AFB's play, except for yours.

There are so many tools that go unused. It is quite shocking to me.

I have no clue what the Allies are up to or where they are going. I do know that in a few months the British funny bombers start showing up with their big bombs. I love those guys!

It sure looks like the carriers are moving north and east.

Personally, I would be looking to grab even level one airports close to Honshu and using the deathstar to sweep plus a million other offensive actions.

low to mid 20 kills seems to be my limit too.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/14/2019 4:02:01 PM

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I never really understood most late game AFB's play, except for yours.

There are so many tools that go unused. It is quite shocking to me.

I have no clue what the Allies are up to or where they are going. I do know that in a few months the British funny bombers start showing up with their big bombs. I love those guys!

It sure looks like the carriers are moving north and east.

Personally, I would be looking to grab even level one airports close to Honshu and using the deathstar to sweep plus a million other offensive actions.

low to mid 20 kills seems to be my limit too.

I think the difficulty is simply the investment in clicks to use everything in the Allied OOB.

Loka and I had discussions that he was having dozens of units arrive on the West Coast that he couldn't even be bothered moving on to ships because he had so much already at the front. What's an extra division or four when you've already got more than your amphib capacity can handle?

I think it's excuseable in an extent in the ground war, but less so in the naval and air game. The big '45 Allied naval OOB can get a lot done if deployed properly.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/14/2019 5:07:49 PM

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I never really understood most late game AFB's play, except for yours.

There are so many tools that go unused. It is quite shocking to me.

I have no clue what the Allies are up to or where they are going. I do know that in a few months the British funny bombers start showing up with their big bombs. I love those guys!

It sure looks like the carriers are moving north and east.

Personally, I would be looking to grab even level one airports close to Honshu and using the deathstar to sweep plus a million other offensive actions.

low to mid 20 kills seems to be my limit too.

I think the difficulty is simply the investment in clicks to use everything in the Allied OOB.

Loka and I had discussions that he was having dozens of units arrive on the West Coast that he couldn't even be bothered moving on to ships because he had so much already at the front. What's an extra division or four when you've already got more than your amphib capacity can handle?

I think it's excuseable in an extent in the ground war, but less so in the naval and air game. The big '45 Allied naval OOB can get a lot done if deployed properly.

I'm not finding that to be the case in my solitaire Ironman game. The divisions arriving at San Fran get shipped immediately to Agrihan, then to Naha and ultimaately to Tokuyama where I managed to get a foothold on Honshu. The Brit and Canadian divisions arriving at Vancouver get shipped immediately to Adak for use in taking the Kuriles.

Once you get ahsore on Kyushu and Honshu, there simply aren't enough divisions to go around. Each major base siege hex needs the non-Russian Allied equivalents of a Soviet Army to reduce them. The Brits have finished off Formosa and are loading as fast as possible making a beeline for Tokuyama. The Aussies and Kiwis wrapping up the clearing of Borneo are loading as fast as possible and making a beeline for Tokuyama.

Basically everything in my inventory that isn't committed to either Kyushu or the Kuriles is heading for Tokuyama.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/14/2019 5:10:16 PM

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Loka and I had discussions that he was having dozens of units arrive on the West Coast that he couldn't even be bothered moving on to ships because he had so much already at the front. What's an extra division or four when you've already got more than your amphib capacity can handle?

You just move them closer to the front in bulk in the xAKs and look for the large enough piece of land to dump them on so that they walk around there for some time pretending doing something useful

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/14/2019 5:23:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I never really understood most late game AFB's play, except for yours.

There are so many tools that go unused. It is quite shocking to me.

I have no clue what the Allies are up to or where they are going. I do know that in a few months the British funny bombers start showing up with their big bombs. I love those guys!

It sure looks like the carriers are moving north and east.

Personally, I would be looking to grab even level one airports close to Honshu and using the deathstar to sweep plus a million other offensive actions.

low to mid 20 kills seems to be my limit too.

I think the difficulty is simply the investment in clicks to use everything in the Allied OOB.

Loka and I had discussions that he was having dozens of units arrive on the West Coast that he couldn't even be bothered moving on to ships because he had so much already at the front. What's an extra division or four when you've already got more than your amphib capacity can handle?

I think it's excuseable in an extent in the ground war, but less so in the naval and air game. The big '45 Allied naval OOB can get a lot done if deployed properly.

I'm not finding that to be the case in my solitaire Ironman game. The divisions arriving at San Fran get shipped immediately to Agrihan, then to Naha and ultimaately to Tokuyama where I managed to get a foothold on Honshu. The Brit and Canadian divisions arriving at Vancouver get shipped immediately to Adak for use in taking the Kuriles.

Once you get ahsore on Kyushu and Honshu, there simply aren't enough divisions to go around. Each major base siege hex needs the non-Russian Allied equivalents of a Soviet Army to reduce them. The Brits have finished off Formosa and are loading as fast as possible making a beeline for Tokuyama. The Aussies and Kiwis wrapping up the clearing of Borneo are loading as fast as possible and making a beeline for Tokuyama.

Basically everything in my inventory that isn't committed to either Kyushu or the Kuriles is heading for Tokuyama.

It's a different kettle of fish when it's PBEM. I was constrained by supply and the AI isn't. The big crunch for IJ industry happened a long time ago in our game, and once the supply goes, Japanese combat power falls off quite sharply. Being out of supply is a 75% reduction in effectiveness - that's a big game-changer when IJ units are defending fortified positions.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/14/2019 5:47:24 PM

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I was primarily thinking of all the planes and ships and subs that can be used in horribly creative and destructive methods!

For ground units, If you set up shipping hubs it is not hard to keep everyone in sr mode to the hub, and ship out when convenient. I guess Stacking limits complicates it some, but as long as you check your daily reinforcements daily it isn't that overwhelming.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/14/2019 8:17:13 PM

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I was primarily thinking of all the planes and ships and subs that can be used in horribly creative and destructive methods!

For ground units, If you set up shipping hubs it is not hard to keep everyone in sr mode to the hub, and ship out when convenient. I guess Stacking limits complicates it some, but as long as you check your daily reinforcements daily it isn't that overwhelming.

No stacking limits here. It's been a bit slow on the ground but also in the air over Japan. I was used to Jocke's 2-3 massive strikes per week.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I never really understood most late game AFB's play, except for yours.

There are so many tools that go unused. It is quite shocking to me.

I have no clue what the Allies are up to or where they are going. I do know that in a few months the British funny bombers start showing up with their big bombs. I love those guys!

Personally, I would be looking to grab even level one airports close to Honshu and using the deathstar to sweep plus a million other offensive actions.

He has been increasingly using more Corsairs that seem to be from the DS to sweep. They're tough. He has a lot of them.

What would you do in China? After the abandoned move on Nanning and the sitzkrieg near Shanghai, I'm perplexed.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/14/2019 8:35:07 PM

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July 12, 1945

Right on cue the Allies launch a big strike at Fukuoka. This base ha had a lot of training groups with only limited CAP and a lot of nearby bleeding CAP. It hasn't been attacked yet. Corsairs did unusually well sweeping, and the bombers did their job, but flak took a toll and hits weren't as extreme as I would have imagined.

I've reworked the defence over here for tomorrow. There is a lot to hit nearby so more CAP is on bleed, which I don't really like but have to use now.

Nothing new elsewhere. The DS moves only a few hexes to the South and slightly East.
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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 15 NM, estimated altitude 45,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1 Rex x 24
N1K5-J George x 20
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 10
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 6
Ki-84b Frank x 20

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1 Rex: 3 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 4 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 39300 feet

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 42,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1 Rex x 12
N1K5-J George x 7
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 4
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4
Ki-84b Frank x 9

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1 Rex: 5 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 39300 feet

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 10
A-26B Invader x 6
B-24J Liberator x 13
B-29-25 Superfort x 35
P-38L Lightning x 18
P-47N Thunderbolt x 22
P-51D Mustang x 48
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1 Rex: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 4 damaged
A-26B Invader: 3 damaged
A-26B Invader: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 18 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 14 damaged

Resources hits 11
Ki-84r Frank factory hits 6
Armament Assembly hits 2
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 12000 feet *
City Attack: 3 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 71 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 8
B-29-25 Superfort x 26
P-47N Thunderbolt x 18
P-51D Mustang x 2
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 13 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 5 damaged

Resources hits 11
Ki-84r Frank factory hits 2
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 7
Liberator GR.VI x 11
B-29-25 Superfort x 9

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 5 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 9 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29-25 Superfort: 6 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Resources hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Liberator B.VI bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 14

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 5 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 12

Allied aircraft losses
A-26B Invader: 4 damaged
A-26B Invader: 2 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x A-26B Invader bombing from 12000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 17

Allied aircraft losses
A-26B Invader: 2 damaged
A-26B Invader: 1 destroyed by flak

Resources hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x A-26B Invader bombing from 12000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/14/2019 8:37:26 PM

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Fukuoka has some armament factories damaged, almost 200 resource factories damaged, and a Frank factory wiped out.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/14/2019 9:16:37 PM

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Can the Allies invade north and east of Shanghai but before Korea? If the Allies don't push north and cut the northern Chinese rail line, then I suspect something along those lines and the attack was merely to set up air bases to punish Honshu.

Invasion of Japanese Islands?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/15/2019 7:34:21 AM

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Can the Allies invade north and east of Shanghai but before Korea? If the Allies don't push north and cut the northern Chinese rail line, then I suspect something along those lines and the attack was merely to set up air bases to punish Honshu.

Invasion of Japanese Islands?

If the airbases in China are for punishing the Home Islands, why the insistent milk runs to Hangchow and Shanghai with sweeps to central Chinese bases? It seems like something else is going on, and I wonder if the real intent is to ensure a vector for getting to Chungking. He knows there is lot of x3 territory, and the army that stopped near Chusien didn't even attempt an attack against my blockade in x3. Now they've turned. So maybe he's thinking of transferring to Southern China and aiming up from there?

He's also been moving troops away from the Central Chinese vector and toward Nanking and the Northern road/rail. He could easily take any of the bases between Shanghai and Tsientin/Peiping. Some of this surely is to coordinate with the Soviets when they activate too.

Or, he may be thinking of grabbing some close in islands off of Japan in prep for invading Kyushu. That would be something hard to deal with for sure, and with the DS strength at this point even massed LBA nd the KB combined would have trouble breaking through at close range.

The position of the DS could show he's finally coming down to close the oceans to transport from the SRA. It's just going very slowly if that's his intent. Naha and Nago on Okinawa aren't as built up as they once were after transferring some troops to the Shanghai/Hangchow area, so those could be a target, but he already has bases to fly sweeps that are equally close.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/15/2019 9:13:06 AM

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July 13, 1945

Not much to report. A quiet turn with Singers bombing going forward but not much in the North.

Even on a slow day the Allies lose 15-20 planes to flak, which is nice. The DS hasn't appreciably moved, but it seems like the troops in China have either been shipped out or changed location quickly. Nanking seems well reduced, by like 100k!

I'll send full recon to all nearby bases tomorrow.
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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 4
Liberator B.VI x 3
Wellington GR.XIII x 3
A-20G Havoc x 9
B-24J Liberator x 22
B-25J11 Mitchell x 10

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 3 damaged
Wellington GR.XIII: 2 damaged
A-20G Havoc: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 7 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25J11 Mitchell: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 7
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 56 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 7
B-24J Liberator x 8
B-25J1 Mitchell x 6
B-25J11 Mitchell x 3

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 4 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged
B-25J1 Mitchell: 3 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Liberator B.VI bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Johore Bahru (50,83)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 118135 troops, 1798 guns, 1556 vehicles, Assault Value = 3155

Defending force 59966 troops, 487 guns, 286 vehicles, Assault Value = 1591

Japanese ground losses:
72 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
20th Indian Division
236th Combat Engineer Regiment
45th Indian Brigade
17th Motorised Division
11th (East African) Division
81st (West African) Division
Gardner's Horse Regiment
16th Chindit Brigade
25th Indian Division
2nd British Division
475th USA Regiment
268th Motorised Brigade
8th Indian Division
88th Medium Regiment
12th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
1st Indian Medium Regiment
Southeast Asia
2nd Indian Medium Regiment
XXXIV Indian Corps
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
2/13th Field Regiment
6th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
3rd West African AA Regiment
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
20th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
III Indian Corps
181st Field Artillery Regiment
134th (East Ang) Regiment
55th Heavy Regiment
168th Field Artillery Regiment
56th Heavy AA Regiment
14th Army
3rd (Special Force) Division

Defending units:
44th Naval Guard Unit
29th Ind.Mixed Brigade
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
49th Tank Battalion
2nd South Seas Det.
26th Tank Regiment
Kure 3rd SNLF
2nd INA Gandhi Regiment
4th INA Nehru Regiment
65th Brigade
Sasebo 8th SNLF
Yokosuka 4th SNLF /2
4th Raiding Regiment
5th INA Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
27th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Amphibious Brigade
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
120th Div /2
1st RF Gun Battalion
89th JAAF AF Bn
3rd Mortar Battalion
80th JAAF AF Bn
17th JAAF AF Bn
91st JAAF AF Bn
201st JAAF AF Bn
28th JAAF AF Bn
105th JAAF AF Bn
94th JAAF AF Bn
23rd JAAF AF Bn /1

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Still shifting around off of China.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/15/2019 12:41:11 PM

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Do you have a heavy volume of messages at Nanking? My guess is they loaded on ships, will meet up with ds and take Japanese Islands for closes fighter bases -- that is my number one guess. Of course if you have left holes in Korea that might be attractive.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/15/2019 12:53:29 PM

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Do you have a heavy volume of messages at Nanking? My guess is they loaded on ships, will meet up with ds and take Japanese Islands for closes fighter bases -- that is my number one guess. Of course if you have left holes in Korea that might be attractive.

No holes in Korea. At all. The entire coastline is occupied including all non-base hexes. Interestingly, in some kind of bug representing itself, some of those units almost immediately had forts 6-7. Small units, so it's wouldn't likely matter much, but interesting.

My first guess is also islands somewhere South of Japan. I'll have to check for messages. I've not been reading my SIGINT.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/15/2019 1:29:22 PM

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Look at Chinchow...it is a level 1 port, open ground, cuts the rail between manchuko/korea and China. 15 hexes from Nanking. Synergy with Soviet activation.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/15/2019 4:08:33 PM

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Do you have a heavy volume of messages at Nanking? My guess is they loaded on ships, will meet up with ds and take Japanese Islands for closes fighter bases -- that is my number one guess. Of course if you have left holes in Korea that might be attractive.

No holes in Korea. At all. The entire coastline is occupied including all non-base hexes. Interestingly, in some kind of bug representing itself, some of those units almost immediately had forts 6-7. Small units, so it's wouldn't likely matter much, but interesting.

My first guess is also islands somewhere South of Japan. I'll have to check for messages. I've not been reading my SIGINT.

I'd be looking at any high value VP bases, particularly if they are not strongly garrisoned.

Whether your opponent is concerned about the 31 August 1945 deadline or isn't, he still ultimately needs to acquire VPs. Normally, considering the overall position, one would expect an Allied player to garner those VPs from strategic bombing but as you have detailed his somewhat desultory approach to strategic bombing, obtaining fresh airfields in range of the Home Islands wouldn't be consistent. Consistent would be going after high value land bases utilising his naval mobility.

Alfred

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 5/16/2019 10:02:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Do you have a heavy volume of messages at Nanking? My guess is they loaded on ships, will meet up with ds and take Japanese Islands for closes fighter bases -- that is my number one guess. Of course if you have left holes in Korea that might be attractive.

No holes in Korea. At all. The entire coastline is occupied including all non-base hexes. Interestingly, in some kind of bug representing itself, some of those units almost immediately had forts 6-7. Small units, so it's wouldn't likely matter much, but interesting.

My first guess is also islands somewhere South of Japan. I'll have to check for messages. I've not been reading my SIGINT.

I'd be looking at any high value VP bases, particularly if they are not strongly garrisoned.

Whether your opponent is concerned about the 31 August 1945 deadline or isn't, he still ultimately needs to acquire VPs. Normally, considering the overall position, one would expect an Allied player to garner those VPs from strategic bombing but as you have detailed his somewhat desultory approach to strategic bombing, obtaining fresh airfields in range of the Home Islands wouldn't be consistent. Consistent would be going after high value land bases utilising his naval mobility.

Alfred

I've been expecting an invasion in Luzon as part of this big move to China, but it didn't come. I'm not sure he's reconned enough to know how little is there.

The high value targets on Hokkaido are some of the best available without having to invade anything, but he's drawn down forces there.

He did try to para-drop on Formosa so maybe that is also on the menu, but he's not prepped.

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