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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 2/15/2017 11:23:28 PM

obvert

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This is the following layering:

Frank Ki-84r - 34,450 (max)
Jack J2M5 - 20k
Tony Ki-100-I - 10k

With the Jack in the middle the score goes back a bit to the Allies.

Japanese: 186
Allies: 83

2.24:1

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 17, 42
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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 45
Ki-84r Frank x 23
Ki-100-I Tony x 45

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 5 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

CAP engaged:
Chitose Ku K-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 22 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 36910.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-100-I Tony (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 22 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 36090.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
1000th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 34450 , scrambling fighters between 34000 and 34450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 37
Ki-84r Frank x 21
Ki-100-I Tony x 31

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

CAP engaged:
Chitose Ku K-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 6 scrambling)
15 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 8 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 42450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 47 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-100-I Tony (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 12 scrambling)
15 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 43090.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 51 minutes
1000th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 34450 , scrambling fighters between 34450 and 40090.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 25
Ki-84r Frank x 16
Ki-100-I Tony x 22

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 3 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

CAP engaged:
1000th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 2 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 34450 , scrambling fighters between 34450 and 36450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
Chitose Ku K-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
25 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 36090.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-100-I Tony (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
17 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 36090.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 9
Ki-84r Frank x 11
Ki-100-I Tony x 10

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 3 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

CAP engaged:
1000th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 34450 , scrambling fighters between 31000 and 34450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
Chitose Ku K-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 2 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 23000 and 36910.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 45 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-100-I Tony (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 22000 and 33450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 5
Ki-100-I Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 6
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
2 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
3 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

CAP engaged:
1000th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 34450 , scrambling fighters between 29000 and 33000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
Chitose Ku K-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-100-I Tony (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 1
Ki-84r Frank x 2

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

CAP engaged:
1000th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 34450 , scrambling fighters to 37450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes
Chitose Ku K-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 36450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes

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< Message edited by obvert -- 2/15/2017 11:25:00 PM >

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 2/16/2017 12:29:03 AM

obvert

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In this set I used 80 percent CAP because I know Loka likes to use a high percentage. This didn't seem better, and might even be a bit worse than the 50 percent CAP in all of the other tests to far.

This is the following layering:

Frank Ki-84r - 34,450 (max)
Tony Ki-100-I - 20k
Jack J2M5 - 10k

Japanese: 194
Allies: 78

2.49:1

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 17, 42
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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 14 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 36
Ki-84r Frank x 36
Ki-100-I Tony x 36

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 7 destroyed

CAP engaged:
Chitose Ku K-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 24 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 36910.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-100-I Tony (0 airborne, 24 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 36090.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
1000th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (0 airborne, 24 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 34450 , scrambling fighters between 34000 and 34450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 14 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 29
Ki-84r Frank x 25
Ki-100-I Tony x 23

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 3 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

CAP engaged:
Chitose Ku K-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
13 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 44000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-100-I Tony (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
17 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 45000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
1000th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
25 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 34450 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 45000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 19
Ki-84r Frank x 20
Ki-100-I Tony x 13

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 3 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 6 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
Chitose Ku K-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 35090 and 39450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-100-I Tony (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 35090 and 39450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes
1000th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 11 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 34450 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 39450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 13
Ki-84r Frank x 6
Ki-100-I Tony x 9

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 4 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

CAP engaged:
Chitose Ku K-1 with J2M5 Jack (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 35090 and 37450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-100-I Tony (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 35090 and 39450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
1000th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 34450
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 65 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 4
Ki-84r Frank x 1
Ki-100-I Tony x 3

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 3
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
2 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

CAP engaged:
1000th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 34450 , scrambling fighters to 41910.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
Chitose Ku K-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 37910 and 39450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-100-I Tony (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 36090 and 39450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 3
Ki-84r Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 3
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
2 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

CAP engaged:
1000th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 34450 , scrambling fighters to 37450.
Raid is overhead
Chitose Ku K-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 35450 and 37450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes

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_____________________________

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 2/16/2017 12:48:51 AM

obvert

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For this test I used low CAP as I've been using for the past year in game. Three bands at 9k, 7k and 5k. Usually I put more manoeuvrable planes low with the best airframes and pilots high.

This is the following layering:

Frank Ki-84r - 9k
Tony Ki-100-I - 7k
Jack J2M5 - 5k

Japanese: 147
Allies: 122

1.20:1

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 17, 42
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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 45
Ki-84r Frank x 23
Ki-100-I Tony x 23

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

CAP engaged:
Chitose Ku K-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 22 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 36910.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-100-I Tony (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 36090.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
1000th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 34450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 40
Ki-84r Frank x 19
Ki-100-I Tony x 20

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 7 destroyed

CAP engaged:
Chitose Ku K-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 16 scrambling)
20 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 39910.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 49 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-100-I Tony (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 40910.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
1000th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 40910.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 34
Ki-84r Frank x 15
Ki-100-I Tony x 17

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 3 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

CAP engaged:
Chitose Ku K-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 7 scrambling)
23 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 41450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-100-I Tony (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 39450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 49 minutes
1000th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 40910.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 20
Ki-84r Frank x 10
Ki-100-I Tony x 6

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 6
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

CAP engaged:
13th Sentai with Ki-100-I Tony (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 36090 and 37450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
1000th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 37450 and 42000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
Chitose Ku K-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
20 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 36450 and 38090.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Lae , at 99,126

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 60 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 16
Ki-84r Frank x 10
Ki-100-I Tony x 5

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 5 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

CAP engaged:
13th Sentai with Ki-100-I Tony (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 36090 and 43910.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
1000th Sentai with Ki-84r Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 34450 and 38450.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
Chitose Ku K-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 8 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 33802 and 36910.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes

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< Message edited by obvert -- 2/16/2017 12:51:42 AM >

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 2/16/2017 12:50:25 AM

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Interesting to see the impact of the Jack at different altitudes.

I always firmly believed this to be the case: I stacked planes from lowest to highest altitude something like this:

oscar, zero, jack, tony, frank, george. Since I had them, I almost always used a bait squadron of Oscars down very low.

Sometimes I would shield the best fighter I had, the Frank, by putting it into the 2nd highest altitude band of my layer with the hopes it didn't get jumped on.

I am curious if you can shield sentai this way, then it might make sense to put the disposable planes on the bottom and the top of your layer.

Another tactic I have toyed with is a changing the percentage on duty by layer:

lowest layer: 30%
mid layer: 70%
top layer: 30%

Does any of that make sense?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 2/16/2017 1:02:12 AM

obvert

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Interesting to see the impact of the Jack at different altitudes.

I always firmly believed this to be the case: I stacked planes from lowest to highest altitude something like this:

oscar, zero, jack, tony, frank, george. Since I had them, I almost always used a bait squadron of Oscars down very low.

Sometimes I would shield the best fighter I had, the Frank, by putting it into the 2nd highest altitude band of my layer with the hopes it didn't get jumped on.

I am curious if you can shield sentai this way, then it might make sense to put the disposable planes on the bottom and the top of your layer.

Another tactic I have toyed with is a changing the percentage on duty by layer:

lowest layer: 30%
mid layer: 70%
top layer: 30%

Does any of that make sense?

I also think on the lower layer it can be useful to have high manoeuvre, but it's interesting that the middle layer here did not seem shielded at all. EDIT: (in the above tests I mean)

In this combo the Franks do come out well i the middle layer.

George N1K2 - 9k
Frank Ki-84b - 7k
Oscar IV - 5k

Japanese: 163
Allies: 134

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 2/16/2017 1:44:41 AM

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Your n is still low

. Also, spreadsheet? Spammy combat report text is spammy.

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Follow was the problem?

Well, it's a stack of 300k following one unit, but the unit set to follow changed direction. So it went with armor up the road and the rest of the stack continued on in the correct direction. I hadn't heard of that one before, but follow is just fraught with problems as I see it. I only calculate movement with individual units and go. If some are a day or two late that's better than 20 armor units heading off the wrong way!

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Your n is still low . Also, spreadsheet? Spammy combat report text is spammy.

yeah, well, that's what you get this time! Theres a baby in the house.

I add the CR mainly to show the info from one of the three about how the planes are climbing and if any are scrambling. When set to 50% Low CAP the Jacks at 5k scrambled but not the other two layers. I thought that was interesting.

The bottom 2 layers scrambled in test three with Tony low and Jacks middle.

The n is low, but this is how we find interesting things to look at further. It can be pretty clear even in 3 tests that there are differences. I'll test more for Jacks high with a high layered CAP, which seemed so far the best of the

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Ok. So I know the tests here are not definitive or even trust-worthy for using the results in game. For me though, since i've also tested the low CAP extensively, and in more combinations, and since I've also looked at multiple other layering bands in previous tests, these give a great guide for what to look at further.

Next up:

1. A bigger high CAP (Loka style) with J2M5 Jacks high and many more sweepers. Still trying to be somewhat close to equal in total number of CAP to sweepers.

2. More arrangements of low CAP with Oscars low and George/Jack/Frank a/b/r high. Tonys maybe middle, although I'd like to play with them everywhere to find their best spot.

3. This is the important one. A big test with lots of CAP, sweepers, LR CAP covering sweeps and a large bombing run! All of it.

Here is a taster. A smaller bombing run, well escorted, with the same sweeps and CAP tested earlier. I did this first with the low CAP setup, then with Loka's higher layered CAP.

I'll only spam with the first part of the CR.

The key here seems to be that the first sweepers are crushed, then the CAP is strong for the first bombing run, and although a good number of airframes are hit on the round, the field is not closed and the following bombers without escort get nailed. More Allied planes are destroyed overall than Japanese.

George N1K2 - 9k
Frank Ki-84b - 7k
Oscar IV - 5k

Japanese: 220
Allies: 249

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Here is with Loka's higher layered CAP against the same sweep/bombing setup. Here around the same amount of Japanese are downed, but many fewer Allies taken out.

A lot of scrambling, but somehow not as many Allied kills. Maybe too spread out in the layers?

Frank Ki-84r - 34,510 (max)
Jack J2M5 - 20k
Tony Ki-100-I - 10k

Japanese: 278
Allies: 140

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June 27-30, 1944

Some time to catch up to current in the game. Sqz sent a few turns for me to try out and we'll hopefully get going on the game again if his movement fixes work.

SUBS: The RO subs hunt along the Arakan. They hit and probably sink two freighters. Both were travelling alone for some reason I can't imagine. By this point I'd think the Allies have more escorts than they know what to do with. I'll let the 5 subs play for another few days, then bug out before the hunters arrive.

SW PAC: The Allies race in and sink a small TK bringing fuel to Sarmi. The DDs apparently didn't get out on the 27th, and on the 28th two CL and two DD meet them and sink the Conynghim. The others get away.

The milk runs resume against the IJ troops expelled from Wewak. About 60 A-20G involved. Love to get some LR CAP there soon as there is no escort.

BURMA: Troops still show movement. IJA troops getting into good places now and ready to meet the massive Allied army at Toungoo if they do go this way. ( We pretty much know where they are supposed to go now, which is one hex out of Toungoo. What they do after that I'm not sure, but it's a strange pace to end up after all of that movement subterfuge. If yo feint movement you want to get somewhere to do something surprising, I would have thought. Getting one hex out of Toungoo means he doesn't want to go to that base, essentially. Is he feinting to then move back to Taung Gyi?).

OZ: More B-25 II runs against the troops at Wessel Island. I'll hit these soon again.

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Sarmi at 91,113, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
SC Ch 53, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
TK Ebara Maru, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Dunlap
DD Fanning
DD Conyngham

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...

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Ground combat at Taung Gyi (59,48)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1992 troops, 93 guns, 95 vehicles, Assault Value = 1669

Defending force 98558 troops, 1608 guns, 1885 vehicles, Assault Value = 2462

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Submarine attack near Ramree Island at 53,47

Japanese Ships
SS RO-67

Allied Ships
xAK Barjora, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

xAK Barjora is sighted by SS RO-67
SS RO-67 launches 4 torpedoes at xAK Barjora

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Submarine attack near Ramree Island at 53,47

Japanese Ships
SS RO-63

Allied Ships
xAK Cairo City, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

xAK Cairo City is sighted by SS RO-63
SS RO-63 attacking on the surface

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Sarmi at 92,114, Range 9,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Yura
CL Kinu
DD Harusame, Shell hits 1
DD Yudachi

Allied Ships
DD Dunlap
DD Fanning, Shell hits 1
DD Conyngham, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 53% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Hollandia at 92,115, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Yura
CL Kinu, Shell hits 1
DD Harusame
DD Yudachi

Allied Ships
DD Dunlap, Shell hits 1
DD Fanning, Shell hits 2, on fire

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 53% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Feels good to win a battle at sea, even if it sinks just one DD.

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Reinforcements/Withdrawls

I may have mentioned that I milked the withdrawal system for as many PPs as I could get, which helped me buy out the Chinese tank division. The is now headed to supply a fast reserve in Burma and along the Burmese coast.

The other benefit of letting these groups go a bit early is that I was able to reorganise and cover my most critical areas, upgrade groups to better fighters, and basically plan the defences before the reinforcements arrive. So now those groups are icing. I can let them train or pull them out to fill in areas for rear CAP cover while getting rookie pilots some experience.

As you can see it's a significant number of new groups. I don't know how many I'll have to pay to remove from the HI but it's 25 PP a group for the big ones if bought out to to a free HQ from an HI area. I know I'll need some rear cover, some escort groups and I'll continue to train low naval (kamis) and basic naval bombing skills for the massive battles to come. I've got a few thousand trained bomber pilots for both IJA and IJN so far. Right now I've reduced KB pilot training to one group that cross trains TB/NB/search.

The Oscar IV is arriving now, so I'll be upgrading ALL Oscar groups ASAP. I've got the Frank Ki-84b coming in about 3-4 weeks too!! That is exciting. True bomber killer and should be a better interceptor than the "a" as well. The J2M5 is also online in August. Then the next big development is the N1K5 in about October. I've never used it, but hear it s a beast. The N1K1 groups will be retired to rear areas in the next week, and I'm looking forward to the final Jacks and Oscars getting in to shore up against the coming onslaught.

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Looking forward to the Frank B! How many factories did you allocate to it? What does your overall supply look like?

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Your n is still low . Also, spreadsheet? Spammy combat report text is spammy.

yeah, well, that's what you get this time! Theres a baby in the house.

I add the CR mainly to show the info from one of the three about how the planes are climbing and if any are scrambling. When set to 50% Low CAP the Jacks at 5k scrambled but not the other two layers. I thought that was interesting.

The bottom 2 layers scrambled in test three with Tony low and Jacks middle.

The n is low, but this is how we find interesting things to look at further. It can be pretty clear even in 3 tests that there are differences. I'll test more for Jacks high with a high layered CAP, which seemed so far the best of the

And detrimental. High percentage better.

And yes, I'm sure there are differences given the magnitude between just those, but I also want to be sure it's not a fluke. It can always be a fluke. I'd want a sample size of 20, ideally... I mean, I guess I could set it up, but there's a puppy in the house.

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Bomber pilots with an average of 78 Exp... biased test, I say!

Also, is that B-25 (FM) model mod-specific?

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Bomber pilots with an average of 78 Exp... biased test, I say!

Also, is that B-25 (FM) model mod-specific?

That B-25 is I think something like the B-25D1. Essentially a fighter-killer. I'll look it up and find out. I didn't initially plan a bombing test so I don't have 150 B-24J in here, but I'll fix that!

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Your n is still low . Also, spreadsheet? Spammy combat report text is spammy.

yeah, well, that's what you get this time! Theres a baby in the house.

I add the CR mainly to show the info from one of the three about how the planes are climbing and if any are scrambling. When set to 50% Low CAP the Jacks at 5k scrambled but not the other two layers. I thought that was interesting.

The bottom 2 layers scrambled in test three with Tony low and Jacks middle.

The n is low, but this is how we find interesting things to look at further. It can be pretty clear even in 3 tests that there are differences. I'll test more for Jacks high with a high layered CAP, which seemed so far the best of the

And detrimental. High percentage better.

I'm not sure scrambling is detrimental. I would offer that a high percentage CAP can be better, but it depends. the nice thing is I can isolate and test that!

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And yes, I'm sure there are differences given the magnitude between just those, but I also want to be sure it's not a fluke. It can always be a fluke. I'd want a sample size of 20, ideally... I mean, I guess I could set it up, but there's a puppy in the house.

I can do twenty tests. I just can't put it all on a spreadsheet right now. The info report seems to be enough, and I can capture a few sample CRs to make sure we see what's happening.

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Looking forward to the Frank B! How many factories did you allocate to it? What does your overall supply look like?

Here is the R n D. The Frank K-84b is only 90 factories. That should be good to add on until the Ki-84r arrives sometime around December 44. Altogether I'll have a lot of Franks eventually. Now it's a bit sparse, but there are 200+ Frank "a" in the pool.

Having the final Jacks, Georges and Oscar plus the Frank "b" should boost the defences all around in the next months.

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You are going to have fun with some of those planes.

Shinden, Patsy, Randy.

Are you playing a mod or something where the Frank B can be researched from the Frank a?

Just doesn't seem like 3 size 30 could advance it so much. Some of those fully repaired size 30 on late plane I assume you started from day 1. I am too lazy to go back and check.

IF so, a solid testimony for early research.

I wish Sam was further along.

Nice vehicle pool. Oil starting to get low. Does refining generate supply?

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You are going to have fun with some of those planes.

Shinden, Patsy, Randy.

Are you playing a mod or something where the Frank B can be researched from the Frank a?

Just doesn't seem like 3 size 30 could advance it so much. Some of those fully repaired size 30 on late plane I assume you started from day 1. I am too lazy to go back and check. IF so, a solid testimony for early research.

I wish Sam was further along.

Nice vehicle pool. Oil starting to get low. Does refining generate supply?

No mod here. Just Scen 1.

I did start most of the major airframes in the first months. I looked back, and on page 4 there is a list of all R & D from the beginning. I had only started two Sam factories (after the KB disaster) from the first month. It's crazy though how sow those two have repaired. One still isn't even close where most others begun at the time are producing or a few repairs away.

The Frank "b" is researched normally. No difference.

Refining does make supply, which is crucial. Oil is low, but it's been low for a while. It's more about keeping it going now I think. The KB and most of the IJN are parked though, so that should help. All ports holding fuel are drained and even my main hub at Singers can't fill all of the tankers waiting for return runs to the HI. I have to take some offline.

The fact that the Allies are not using their subs to interdict anything other than deep ocean around Truk has really helped.

Last time I looked supply was around 5 million. I have to get tracker running again. Something not working with it right now.

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ECONOMY

Here is the best shot I have of how the economy is faring. This shows that supply is slightly higher than I'd thought at over 5.5 million. I'll try to keep conserving to see if we can get it over 6 million, but I doubt that with all of the combat likely soon.

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July 1-3, 1944

SUBS: The RO subs along the Arakan being to meet some Allied AMs and MTBs, so it's time to fade back toward Rangoon. I hope this makes him have to delay and build some convoys, plus add some surface protection to these, in order to keep supplying Ramree.

SW PAC: Bombing runs destroy the stragglers from Wewak before I had a good opportunity to interdict. Some LR CAP got picked off by a Corsair sweep on the 2nd and suffered 3:1 losses.

Some deep search is finding lots of activity around New Britain, but nothing conclusively looking like a big move forward coming yet.

BURMA: The Allies sweep Pisanoluke again, but this time with P-51B. I'd put a small additional Ki-100 group here, and they do okay against the first group, but the second has its way and leaves happy.

OZ: A busy day in the air on the 2nd as over Wessel Islands the Allied milk runs are jumped and they lose almost 20 Aussie B-25. The LR CAP gets hurt by another later Corsair sweep, but pilot losses are low thanks to friendly territory.

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Morning Air attack on Aitape , at 95,118

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 7
N1K2-J George x 28

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 4 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 11 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

CAP engaged:
331 Ku S-1 with A6M8 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
Ryuho-1 with N1K2-J George (28 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
28 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 9000.
Raid is overhead

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Morning Air attack on 6th Indpt SNLF Coy , at 83,126 (Wessel Islands)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 8 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 4
A6M5b Zero x 5
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 10
Ki-84a Frank x 7

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Mitchell II: 10 destroyed, 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Mitchell II bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 6th Indpt SNLF Coy , at 83,126 (Wessel Islands)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 1
A6M5b Zero x 1
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 2
Ki-84a Frank x 3

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Mitchell II: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Mitchell II bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Pisanuloke , at 58,57

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 22
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9
Ki-100-I Tony x 6

Allied aircraft
P-51B Mustang x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x P-51B Mustang sweeping at 31000 feet *

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Afternoon Air attack on Wessel Islands , at 83,126

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 4 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 4
A6M5b Zero x 4
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 6

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M5b Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 5 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

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GAME ON

We're back on track as a fix to the movement of the big stack in Burma works!

Nice. Now I just have to figure out why they moved where they are, and what they're doing next.

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Late congrats to your hopefully healthy offspring :)

But Violet ? Jill,Judy,Jean,Kate,Valerie,Betty,Anne,Sonia,Grace......so many great names and you picked Violet ? ;)

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Where is his big movement?

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Late congrats to your hopefully healthy offspring :)

But Violet ? Jill,Judy,Jean,Kate,Valerie,Betty,Anne,Sonia,Grace......so many great names and you picked Violet ? ;)

Actually, Lily isn't too bad.

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Where is his big movement?

Sorry. Here is the map showing a poster and some arrows for it's possible movement.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 2/19/2017 12:30:13 PM

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Ugh, no stacking limits. I hate the super stacks. I also dislike how Burma is just a magnet for pulling in uber troops, and while I am at it, I dislike how China falls which kind of creates an uber Burma.

Ok, I am done.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 2/20/2017 6:29:26 AM

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Does no one understand the concept of "defense in depth?" There is nothing that makes me happier than seeing my opponent accumulate some stupid big stack. First off, it is a walking supply disaster just waiting to be exploited and second, it is easily isolated, but one must have a defense in depth to isolate it.

Who cares if stupid, big stack takes a city? Is Rangoon worth 56 units? What reasonable person thinks that any 1 hex on the map is worth 56 units? (WiTP Manual page 251) "To order a ground unit move to a specific hex, the path of the move must generate a positive supply value to constitute a valid supply path." Whereever stupid, big stack goes, just engulf it. Once the stupid, big stack is completely isolated and engulfed, it is effectively destroyed. One doesn't even need to attack it or enter its hex. Just defend in depth... not a 1 hex line of defense... a 2 hex line of defense.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 2/20/2017 7:24:32 AM

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Does no one understand the concept of "defense in depth?" There is nothing that makes me happier than seeing my opponent accumulate some stupid big stack. First off, it is a walking supply disaster just waiting to be exploited and second, it is easily isolated, but one must have a defense in depth to isolate it.

Who cares if stupid, big stack takes a city? Is Rangoon worth 56 units? What reasonable person thinks that any 1 hex on the map is worth 56 units? (WiTP Manual page 251) "To order a ground unit move to a specific hex, the path of the move must generate a positive supply value to constitute a valid supply path." Whereever stupid, big stack goes, just engulf it. Once the stupid, big stack is completely isolated and engulfed, it is effectively destroyed. One doesn't even need to attack it or enter its hex. Just defend in depth... not a 1 hex line of defense... a 2 hex line of defense.

But it only makes a "supply disaster" in and of itself with optional stacking limits. Without them, the supply issues are eased until you do manage to cut off the stack.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 2/20/2017 12:43:47 PM

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On a rail line and major road that stack won't run out of supply. It will attack straight down to Pegu cutting off the Tuang Gyi defenders to a dirt road. Isolating whatever is west in Rangoon and threatening taking the river crossing to Moulmein (which should be very difficult normally).

In a scenario 1 stock game...that is a horrendous threat. No amount of defense in depth will save you as you simply don't have the troops. I do wish Obvert had two divisions digging in SE and E of Pegu. I sure hope he has lots of artillery and good forts.

That stack is roughly 9000 AV...using Alfred's old rule...but with 3000 vehicles. I think the most I ever faced in this area was 2400 but could be mistaken...it will be a juggernaut.

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