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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 3/4/2018 9:02:33 PM   
obvert


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Status: offline 		The other mystery of the turn is that this NF group is at Hachinoe. They didn't fly at all during this turn. As shown they're on 60% night CAP with a 1 hex range. That should mean they'd react to any of the attacked bases nearby, or fight at Hachinoe. They didn't do any of that. There were many at Hachinoe itself, too. Luckily very light damage
[All of the nights strikes shown below]

Odd. Especially considering the next turn.





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Night Air attack on Akita , at 117,55

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 8

No Allied losses

Manpower hits 1
Fires 548

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Hachinohe , at 118,55

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 71 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 5
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Manpower hits 29
Fires 12378

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Hirosaki/Aomori , at 118,54

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 8

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 4
Fires 3346

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Akita , at 117,55

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 6

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Hachinohe , at 118,55

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator GR.III x 3

No Allied losses

Manpower hits 6
Fires 11795

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Liberator GR.III bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 250 lb GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Hachinohe , at 118,55

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

No Allied losses

Fires 13414

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Hachinohe , at 118,55

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Hachinohe , at 118,55

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 26
Fires 35617

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed on ground
D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Hachinohe , at 118,55

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 3

No Allied losses

Manpower hits 4
Fires 27095

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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< Message edited by obvert -- 3/4/2018 9:06:59 PM >

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 3/4/2018 9:22:30 PM   
obvert


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The 18th went better, but provides more doubt about the guns at Ominato and the lack of interception by the NF group at Hachinoe.

Night strikes hit at Kushiro, Akita, Hachinohe, and Hirosaki/Aomori but the Nick NFs react to Akita and stay there throughout, intercepting and downing some Army and Navy Libs and preventing even a single hit on the base.

At Kushiro more Nicks again defend well and down a couple B-29-1 while flak takes out a couple more. Flak was active everywhere, and accounted for at least 4 of 11 downed 4Es, and at night no less. Kushiro though has essentially the same type of guns as Ominato, just fewer of them, and no static fortress. All of the guns at Kushiro show disruption after the turn, indicating they were involved.

So I'm worried the CD gun unit really did not fire its 30+ DP guns at Ominato. What does that mean elsewhere? I've heard of players feeling like the Naval guns at Yokohama and Hiroshima weren't as effective as they'd thought they should be. Those should be the toughest spots to hit on map, and Ominato should be right there with them currently with those mobile base forces there as well.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 18, 1944
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Night Air attack on Akita , at 117,55

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 74 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 10

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 7

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
4th Sentai/A with Ki-45 KAId Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes

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Night Air attack on Akita , at 117,55

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 10

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
4th Sentai/A with Ki-45 KAId Nick (10 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
10 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters to 7000.
Raid is overhead

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Night Air attack on Hachinohe , at 118,55

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 67 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator GR.III x 5

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Liberator GR.III bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 12

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
4th Sentai/C with Ki-45 KAId Nick (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 2 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 3000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 64 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 7

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
4th Sentai/C with Ki-45 KAId Nick (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 3000 , scrambling fighters to 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes

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Night Air attack on Akita , at 117,55

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 8

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
4th Sentai/A with Ki-45 KAId Nick (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters to 7000.
Raid is overhead

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Night Air attack on Hirosaki/Aomori , at 118,54

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 7

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 5

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
4th Sentai/C with Ki-45 KAId Nick (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 3000 , scrambling fighters to 7000.
Raid is overhead

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
4th Sentai/C with Ki-45 KAId Nick (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 3000 , scrambling fighters to 7000.
Raid is overhead

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 3 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
4th Sentai/C with Ki-45 KAId Nick (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 3000 , scrambling fighters to 7000.
Raid is overhead

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 14 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 1

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
4th Sentai/C with Ki-45 KAId Nick (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 3000 , scrambling fighters to 7000.
Raid is overhead

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 1

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 3 damaged

Manpower hits 7
Fires 4170

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
4th Sentai/C with Ki-45 KAId Nick (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 3000 , scrambling fighters to 7000.
Raid is overhead

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Night Air attack on Akita , at 117,55

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 6

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
4th Sentai/A with Ki-45 KAId Nick (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters to 7000.
Raid is overhead

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 3/5/2018 11:04:45 AM   
obvert


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quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

In China, at one of the ports is a SNLF unit with the June 45 40mm Bofors gun...which is the best AA gun Japan has. They only have 2 I think, but I think they are worth buying out and putting them where you expect the 2000 foot bombing runs. It is not that many points, and they are good.

It could as easily be 10 planes damaged three times, of 6 planes damaged 5 times, as 30 planes damaged one time.


I spotted this unit a while back and wondered about those guns. I'll have a good look for them again.

The 20m and 25mm are doing surprisingly well where they're numerous. I think in the next coming weeks his 2k strikes will be much more difficult as radar becomes more effective and draws more fighters/NF to the battles, and as bases increase sizes to get balloons, etc.


Actually I just found where I'd noticed the 40mm guns. they are standard in a new, big Naval Base Force that arrived recently. I've moved that one to Nagoya, but may consider relocation as I can add another IJA AA rgt with radar there. I'd like those 12 x 40mm up in the North, where he's consistently hitting. I'll have a look around for the unit you're talking about.

I also just noticed the recent Special Base Force that arrived in the PI can upgrade to a powerful CD unit with 15cm guns. I'd forgotten about that. Sending it to the HI and to one of the most likely landing destinations in the North.

After getting the Kuriles, Hokkaido and Northern Honshu set up I'll begin sending units to island bases in ever increasing circles out from the HI. A few of the small bases in the Sea of Japan need a lot of reinforcement, and they can take [R] units so that's easy.

The Bonins, Okinawa, Daito, and the bases near Formosa will get some more, and I'll continue building forts at appropriate locations on the Chinese coastline. Maybe then I'll consider the PI and the DEI. I'll also be moving back and constricting the Burma Army once the Thais leave in a few weeks. Rangoon can be defended for a while, but I'd like to continue to restrict the movement of this very big and very good Allied force in Burma.

< Message edited by obvert -- 3/7/2018 9:46:22 AM >

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 3/7/2018 10:05:07 AM   
obvert


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On the 19th Ominato got another test. In this one the Allies combine targets, going for the port, the airfield, and for resources in night and day strikes. Again I wonder about the Mutsu Bay Fort potentially not firing it's many DP guns, as it's still showing no disruption. The AA does do well here, but still not as well as it should for this many guns. I really need to get this tested.

I'd moved everything of consequence out of port a few days ago, but the bombers do sink every last ship, which is a bit of a bummer, as even the small PBs, AMc and CMc ships are useful. Again it's a relatively small amount of planes that do the damage, and the flak and fighters seem to not really throw their aim off much. About 25-30 VPs of shipping lost.

The 4Es did take a hit, with lots of good work from the night and day CAP, and a slightly better flak showing, although nothing seems able to touch the B-29s. The Allies lose 35-40 4Es of various types but only 1-5 B-29-1, depending on accuracy of loss reports for ops. Even 2-3 a day though is well over replacement rates, and the average now is something like that for the past month. If that continues he'll run out before the next version arrives in early winter.

Getting to this may 4Es also significantly reduces pilot quality. I remember Jocke talking about how he struggled to get enough 4E pilots late due to strat bombing losses, and Dan is currently using these assets very regularly and with fairly high losses. It didn't hurt to crush a P-47 group as well, with 5:1 kills! Long live low CAP

Of the strikes, 22 bombers arrive at night for 15 damaged, 3 flak kills and 1 A to A kill by the Nicks. When the Nicks damage 4Es they succumb more often to flak it seems.

In day strikes 49 sweepers arrive and lose 9 P-47 D25, 5 F-4U1D Corsairs and 3-4 P-38J. Another 2 P-47D25 and 2-3 P-38J are shot down as escorts out of 65 total escorts.

In the day 17 B-29-1 arrive and 1 is shot down with another 4 possibly lost to ops. Another 37 B-24J take part, losing 6 in A to A and 3 to flak. A total of 29 B-24D-1 take part in the day with 14 shot down, 6 lost to flak and maybe another 2 to ops.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 19, 1944
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Night Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 69 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 7

Allied aircraft
Liberator GR.III x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator GR.III: 2 damaged
Liberator GR.III: 1 destroyed by flak

Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Liberator GR.III bombing from 7000 feet
Port Attack: 8 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 24 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 7

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 10 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 4

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 6

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 7 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 3

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 30
A6M8 Zero x 45
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 13
Ki-84a Frank x 43
Ki-100-I Tony x 46

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 4 destroyed

CAP engaged:
Sasebo Ku S-1 with A6M5c Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(20 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 14 being recalled, 6 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
Katsuragi-1 with A6M5c Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(10 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 5 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes
Aso-1 with A6M8 Zero (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
Ikoma-1 with A6M8 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(7 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
S-312 Hikotai with A6M8 Zero (0 airborne, 13 on standby, 13 scrambling)
13 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 4000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 37100.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
21st Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 5 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 35200.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
50th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (3 airborne, 20 on standby, 13 scrambling)
23 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 34440.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
56th Sentai with Ki-100-I Tony (1 airborne, 22 on standby, 14 scrambling)
23 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 36090.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 10 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 22
A6M8 Zero x 38
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 11
Ki-84a Frank x 39
Ki-100-I Tony x 41

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 15
A6M8 Zero x 29
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 11
Ki-84a Frank x 35
Ki-100-I Tony x 37

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 10
A6M8 Zero x 26
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 11
Ki-84a Frank x 28
Ki-100-I Tony x 32

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 17
P-38J Lightning x 18
P-51B Mustang x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CMc Enoshima, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PB Yokae Maru, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
ACM Okuyo Maru, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
CMc Ninoshima, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
CMc Toshima, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
ACM Zuiko Maru, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
CMc Washizaki, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SC CHa-32, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PB Yahonui Maru, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS RO-37, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
ACM Toshi Maru #5, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
ACM Tasei Maru, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
ML G-209, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SC CHa-61, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
ACM Chiyo Maru, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk

Port hits 23

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 46 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 5
A6M8 Zero x 23
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 11
Ki-84a Frank x 19
Ki-100-I Tony x 27

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 4
A6M8 Zero x 18
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 10
Ki-84a Frank x 16
Ki-100-I Tony x 22

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 12
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 2 damaged
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 4 damaged
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-I Tony: 3 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-56 Thalia: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-II KAI Helen: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
1 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 3
A6M8 Zero x 12
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 13
Ki-100-I Tony x 13

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 7
B-29-1 Superfort x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 1
A6M8 Zero x 6
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-84a Frank x 6
Ki-100-I Tony x 10

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-56 Thalia: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 4
Ki-100-I Tony x 4

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 50 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 3
Ki-84a Frank x 2
Ki-100-I Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged

Resources hits 16

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 2
Ki-84a Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 8 damaged

Resources hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Also random question but does anybody know if ELINT and the other electronic counter measures carried by some aircraft actually effect radar in WitP?


If anything like that is built in it would not be visible to us as players. Japanese radar is so bad it's not needed though.

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I said this in Dan's game vs John. The Allies have to fight the airwar over Japan like they did over Europe. The key isn't getting within bomber range it is keeping the bombers within fighter range. Unless he can create local air superiority in the area of a raid they will quickly get ugly and become unsustainable.


The previous strike was within fighter range. Sweeps preceded the bombers and escorts arrived with several waves.

This is only the beginning. He doesn't have his really good LR range escorts yet, apart from the P-38s, but they don't do as well against tough layered CAP. When the Stangs and next gen Jugs arrive, that's when I have to really watch out.

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I said this in Dan's game vs John. The Allies have to fight the airwar over Japan like they did over Europe. The key isn't getting within bomber range it is keeping the bombers within fighter range. Unless he can create local air superiority in the area of a raid they will quickly get ugly and become unsustainable.


The previous strike was within fighter range. Sweeps preceded the bombers and escorts arrived with several waves.

This is only the beginning. He den's have his really good LR range escorts yet, apart fro meh P-38s, but they don't do as well against tough layered CAP. When the Stangs and next gen Jugs arrive, that's when I have to really watch out.


Most AFB's simply use a bigger hammer...hardly ever see a well thought late war air offensive carried out. The Bigger hammer tactic usually works well enough...

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I said this in Dan's game vs John. The Allies have to fight the airwar over Japan like they did over Europe. The key isn't getting within bomber range it is keeping the bombers within fighter range. Unless he can create local air superiority in the area of a raid they will quickly get ugly and become unsustainable.


The previous strike was within fighter range. Sweeps preceded the bombers and escorts arrived with several waves.

This is only the beginning. He doesn't have his really good LR range escorts yet, apart from the P-38s, but they don't do as well against tough layered CAP. When the Stangs and next gen Jugs arrive, that's when I have to really watch out.


Most AFB's simply use a bigger hammer...hardly ever see a well thought late war air offensive carried out. The Bigger hammer tactic usually works well enough...



Dan has been pretty smart with targeting so far. He's not taking on anything too well defended, and he's mixing night and day, altitude settings and strike compositions. Sometimes it's 50-60 B-29's hitting something distant and less well defended. Sometimes escorted 4E strikes with B-29s supplementing and softening things at night. He's done a few airfield and port strikes. So far effective, but the losses are starting to mount as I've gotten more defensive guns and radar in place.

We'll see now how he adjusts. I've just been counting up airframes available and pools. he's already exceeded replacements for B-29-1 airframes, so should have some groups understrength. He's just now getting a huge influx of new groups on the East Coast though. About 10 IIRC with 100 new airframes. If I've added correctly though he's gone through about 1/5 of the B-29-1 in one month of strat bombing.

B-29-1

Total Build: 351
Lost: 75
Replacement: 18/month

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Dan has been pretty smart with targeting so far. He's not taking on anything too well defended, and he's mixing night and day, altitude settings and strike compositions. Sometimes it's 50-60 B-29's hitting something distant and less well defended. Sometimes escorted 4E strikes with B-29s supplementing and softening things at night. He's done a few airfield and port strikes. So far effective, but the losses are starting to mount as I've gotten more defensive guns and radar in place.



But is their an overall arching goal, or strategy?

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Dan has been pretty smart with targeting so far. He's not taking on anything too well defended, and he's mixing night and day, altitude settings and strike compositions. Sometimes it's 50-60 B-29's hitting something distant and less well defended. Sometimes escorted 4E strikes with B-29s supplementing and softening things at night. He's done a few airfield and port strikes. So far effective, but the losses are starting to mount as I've gotten more defensive guns and radar in place.



But is their an overall arching goal, or strategy?



Good question. I don't know. It'll be interesting to see how, or if, he builds on Shikuka. I've been reading the Wargmr v Mr Kane AAR and man, the same thing happened there but Mr Kane had more at Toyohara and kept it. That made a big difference in outcome. Still, some interesting things there to consider.

So I guess I'm starting to see some light, in that if he sits tight, tries to reinforce, it's a dicey game for the Allies. And, to your point, what is the goal there?

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Good question. I don't know.



That is my point, about not executing a strategic bombing campaign. Not that the Allies are tactically weak but rather there is no longer term goal designed to make Japan fall faster.


For example, he could prioritize destroying Night Fighter production thus making the night campaign much less expensive, or fighter engine production, or shipyard repair, or oil refining, or heavy industry or vehicle production.

Sure, you might be able to afford some repairs, but you are limited to 1 per day per facility.

Allies should be looking to build synergies with their bombing campaign and their offensives -- but most don't.


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Good question. I don't know.



That is my point, about not executing a strategic bombing campaign. Not that the Allies are tactically weak but rather there is no longer term goal designed to make Japan fall faster.


For example, he could prioritize destroying Night Fighter production thus making the night campaign much less expensive, or fighter engine production, or shipyard repair, or oil refining, or heavy industry or vehicle production.

Sure, you might be able to afford some repairs, but you are limited to 1 per day per facility.

Allies should be looking to build synergies with their bombing campaign and their offensives -- but most don't.




I think he's going for VPs wherever he can get them in a way that seems like it might not be too costly. So that is a kind of strategy if you can't employ what you're talking about due to low numbers. He still doesn't have a lot of B-29-1, although 10 new groups did just arrive.

It's the low hanging fruit strategy from what I can tell.

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Once he has built up his forces it will be interesting to see if he switches to a more systematic series of attacks or sticks with his current system.

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After the Ominato strike the Allies immediately resume bombing runs at night. Asahikawa is the primary target, but only negligible damage is done to resources.

One small group of 4 B-29-1 hit Ominato fields to harass the defenders a bit more, but all four B-29s are damaged, and hopefully 1-2 go down on the way home.

On the 21st the B-29s hit Harbin, and the increased AA there now seems to reduce the hits for most of the groups. One still gets ridiculously good results, but it seems little damage is done, so far, although a few fires are still burning.

On the 23rd the radar equipped J1N1-Sa group from Sendai reacts to Yamagaa and damaged a small strike of 4Es for no damage. Things are improving in the defensive war, as radar is helping NFs and day fighters react between bases now, get up quicker, and even get a kill or two. The improved and more evenly distributed AA is also having an effect, limiting hits and damaging bombers so strikes are not as large or as frequent. I feel something big is building up though, so I'm getting even more days and night CAP into Northern bases within sweep range of Allied bases.

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Night Air attack on Asahikawa , at 121,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 4

No Allied losses

Manpower hits 10
Fires 3640

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Asahikawa , at 121,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 5

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 7
Fires 8750

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Asahikawa , at 121,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Asahikawa , at 121,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 5

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Ominato , at 119,54

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 46 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 7
J2M3 Jack x 22
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 25
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 24
Ki-100-I Tony x 7

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84a Frank: 1 damaged
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 21, 1944
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Night Air attack on Harbin , at 109,39

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 44 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 5 damaged

Manpower hits 6
Fires 4290

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Harbin , at 109,39

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

No Allied losses

Manpower hits 6
Fires 4785

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Harbin , at 109,39

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

No Allied losses

Manpower hits 31
Fires 14790

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Harbin , at 109,39

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Resources hits 2
Fires 24310

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Harbin , at 109,39

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 9
Fires 31460

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 22, 1944
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Night Air attack on Yamagata , at 116,57

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 3

Allied aircraft
Liberator GR.III x 4
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator GR.III: 1 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x Liberator GR.III bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 250 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
302 Ku S-3 with J1N1-Sa Irving (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 5000.
Raid is overhead

Some CAP have air radar

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Night Air attack on Yamagata , at 116,57

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 6

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
302 Ku S-3 with J1N1-Sa Irving (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 5000.
Raid is overhead

Some CAP have air radar

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Which is a fine strategy at this stage of the air war. Like the Americans striking at facilities in France and barely hitting Hamburg or the Rurh valley in the summer of 1943. Dan should be targeting soft spots and trying to draw you into localized battles where he can dent your air force and production for minimum losses.

Once he has built up his forces it will be interesting to see if he switches to a more systematic series of attacks or sticks with his current system.


Within a month he'll have 1/3 more B-29-1 groups and airframes, so I expect some much larger strikes. Maybe even at some of the big base targets. Hopefully the Japanese will be ready by then.

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Good question. I don't know.



That is my point, about not executing a strategic bombing campaign. Not that the Allies are tactically weak but rather there is no longer term goal designed to make Japan fall faster.


For example, he could prioritize destroying Night Fighter production thus making the night campaign much less expensive, or fighter engine production, or shipyard repair, or oil refining, or heavy industry or vehicle production.

Sure, you might be able to afford some repairs, but you are limited to 1 per day per facility.

Allies should be looking to build synergies with their bombing campaign and their offensives -- but most don't.




Good point, as in Europe a focus on one industry is the key. I think I would target engines over air frames but spreading the attacks around is not as effective. This is why I really think the Allies main point of focus should be oil. It is the one resource that can be reached early and is fairly easy to attack. But you have to get to it early to really affect the Japanese economy. And if you do so, you are accepting an end game victory strategy over some sort of quick coup. With the ability of carriers to run in and raid in one turn (instituted in a recent patch). Attacking the oil perimeter is much easier than it was in the past.

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Status: offline 		Not necessarily all 4 B-29s damaged so much as you got the damage message 4 times (ostensibly; FoW and all). Could've been the same plane 4 times, theoretically.

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Not necessarily all 4 B-29s damaged so much as you got the damage message 4 times (ostensibly; FoW and all). Could've been the same plane 4 times, theoretically.


Right!

I've watched most of the replays and I admit I don't see it al, but I'm pretty sure that it's usually multiple planes taking damage. I'm not sure which is better though. If one plane takes four hits it has a better chance to go down, so that seems like a good thing.

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The 23rd is quiet with a small B-29 strike on Wakayama. These harassing strat bomb strikes are becoming less effective, but he does get a few resources points taken off. I hope the B-29s are just getting more and more fatigued for the big day strikes. Like ...

... the 24th. The Allies send waves of sweeps and well escorted strikes at Sapporo. The Japanese defenders hold them off and get the better of them today though. Sweepers suffer heavy losses and don't wear down the CAP enough to keep them off the bombers. Even with the most well escorted strike the CAP gets through. The 4Es hit the fields and destroy a lot of airframes, but lose 27 of their number including about 3 B-29 reported lost. The sweepers lost about 75 in A to A, and that means a lot of downed pilots. The Japanese had fewer A to A losses (~55) and only 15 pilots KIA on the day. About 50 planes (Bettys and Sells on ASW duty) destroyed on the ground. The total was ~140 IJ lost to 125 Allied lost.

This is continuing a trend that shows a swing in favour of the defenders. Sapporo has great AA, lots of radar, a good selection of the best Franks, Georges, Jacks and the brand new Oscar IV, which played the low role in the layered low CAP. It had fewer losses than the Franks or Georges, surprisingly, as this is usually the level that suffers most in this setup.

I'll rotate groups out and be ready for anything else arriving tomorrow.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 24, 1944
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Night Air attack on Wakayama , at 109,60

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Resources hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Wakayama , at 109,60

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 14
Fires 9685

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Wakayama , at 109,60

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

No Allied losses

Manpower hits 33
Fires 22230

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 24, 1944
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Night Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 11

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 1 destroyed
Liberator B.III: 1 destroyed by flak

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Night Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 9

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 5

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 3

Allied aircraft
Liberator GR.III x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator GR.III: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Liberator GR.III bombing from 7000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 39,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 36
N1K2-J George x 93
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 49
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 49
Ki-84a Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

CAP engaged:
S-401 Hikotai with N1K2-J George (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(12 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
Yokosuka Ku S-1 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 20 on standby, 16 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 35300.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
S-402 Hikotai with J2M3 Jack (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 16 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 38380.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
1001 Ku U-1 with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 13 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 35300.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-43-IV Oscar (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 29 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 3000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 36810.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
73rd Sentai with Ki-43-IIIa Oscar (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 29 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 37400.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
87th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 18 on standby, 22 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 34440.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 41,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 34
N1K2-J George x 89
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 46
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 46
Ki-84a Frank x 48

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 32
N1K2-J George x 82
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 45
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 42
Ki-84a Frank x 46

Allied aircraft
P-51B Mustang x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51B Mustang: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 60 NM, estimated altitude 40,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 31
N1K2-J George x 76
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 39
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 40
Ki-84a Frank x 43

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 59

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
40 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet [cooperating sweep; only 18 Corsairs showed up in the replay combat screen]
5 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 39,800 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 28
N1K2-J George x 69
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 36
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 35
Ki-84a Frank x 38

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 38800 feet *
6 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 38800 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 27
N1K2-J George x 65
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 34
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 32
Ki-84a Frank x 32

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 17
B-24J Liberator x 26
B-29-1 Superfort x 5
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 51
F4U-1A Corsair x 102

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 3 destroyed on ground
H8K2-L Emily: 4 destroyed on ground
G3M3 Nell: 5 destroyed on ground
G4M1 Betty: 11 destroyed on ground
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 4 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29-1 Superfort: 4 damaged
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 27

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 66 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 26
N1K2-J George x 54
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 33
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 28
Ki-84a Frank x 25

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 18
B-29-1 Superfort x 3
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 6
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed on ground
H8K2-L Emily: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed on ground
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed on ground
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29-1 Superfort: 3 damaged
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

Airbase hits 7
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 23
N1K2-J George x 46
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 27
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 21
Ki-84a Frank x 23

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 44000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 18
N1K2-J George x 41
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 22
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 18
Ki-84a Frank x 19

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Sapporo , at 120,51

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 14
N1K2-J George x 35
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 18
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 11
Ki-84a Frank x 16

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 20000 feet

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The B-29s went for Nagaoka at night and Irvings reacted using radar to go for them. It seemed to disrupt the raid nicely, and a few were hit, then flak took a few more.

There was no action at all on the 26th, and then on the 27th a big set of sweeps and raids go for the resources at Kushiro again. This one turned out even better than the strike at Sapporo a few days before. On the day about 60 Corsairs shot down, and a healthy 20 4E lost to A to A and flak. The best thing is that although the strikes did get through, they only hit for 7 against the resources.

The defenders lost 17 pilots KIA, and I'd wager the Allied lost triple that or more. The kills also get some to ace and 80+ exp golden boy status. Since this is a big island with a rail network for tomorrow I can easily swap out the groups and have the same kind of CAP with similar top pilots ready to go.

Elsewhere the Marianas now are being set up with a limited defence of about a brigade each. I'll have a mobile air transport reserve at Babeldaob for the entire region in case he goes in lightly somewhere trying to mop up on the cheap. The same idea will be employed in the DEI.

Hokkaido bases are all building to 6+ forts. Sapporo is nearly at level 9. Bihoro is nearing level 8. Kushiro aiming for level 7. Wakkanai lagging at nearly level 6. Muroran and Hakodate are less likely targets but will still build to at least level 6 forts.

Any clear hex on the coast on Honshu will also aim for at least level 7 forts. If I lose a KB vs DS clash the last thing I want is a flash invasion of Japan. Forts will hopefully ensure if a landing occurs it can be contained for long enough to send plentiful reinforcements.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 25, 1944
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Night Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 11

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 4 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 5

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 4 damaged

Manpower hits 7
Fires 8940

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 2

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Manpower hits 4
Fires 13410

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 5

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 9
Fires 24585

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Nagaoka , at 114,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Manpower hits 5
Fires 30545

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 26, 1944
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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 47 NM, estimated altitude 41,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 18
N1K1-J George x 45
N1K2-J George x 45
Ki-84a Frank x 49

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 39,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 18
N1K1-J George x 39
N1K2-J George x 38
Ki-84a Frank x 43

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 39,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 14
N1K1-J George x 37
N1K2-J George x 34
Ki-84a Frank x 39

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 12
N1K1-J George x 32
N1K2-J George x 28
Ki-84a Frank x 38

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 8
B-25H Mitchell x 21
B-29-1 Superfort x 10
P-38J Lightning x 23
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 16
F4U-1A Corsair x 38
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 4 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 7 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 6 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Resources hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 63 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 9
N1K1-J George x 25
N1K2-J George x 23
Ki-84a Frank x 28

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Resources hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 66 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 8
N1K1-J George x 19
N1K2-J George x 15
Ki-84a Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 18
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 3 destroyed
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Resources hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 54 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 4
N1K1-J George x 14
N1K2-J George x 10
Ki-84a Frank x 13

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 2
N1K1-J George x 10
N1K2-J George x 9
Ki-84a Frank x 9

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 3/20/2018 3:52:27 PM   
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Another strike at Kushiro, this time at night, and the Nick Id comes through, finally. These planes showed their toughness, lasting through many waves of bombers and for the first time downing more than they lost. They got to the B-29s as well, with one confirmed kill and many damage messages. On the day the Allies lose another 15 4E and 8 2E for only 4 Nicks lost in A to A (while another 6 were lost to ops).

The most significant thing about the strikes is that they resulted in exactly one resource hit out of 60+ 4E and 15 2E on the night.

The Allies had pushed up to 10-12k for this strike, which is interesting, and although that may have helped reduce flak losses, the flak still did well and hits were reduced. This kind of strike is a smaller version of the defence the Allies will find later at Tokyo and Osaka; multiple NF groups, lots of radar, and a lot of AA of all different types.

I fully expect Dan will pick another completely random target next and it'll catch me out of position. Although I've been working tirelessly in the background to reinforce all bases with some radar and AA, some significant spots that are less well know still don't have adequate AA and aren't in range of the currently available NFs. I do have more on the way, with two groups arriving in the next week. There are still some naval base forces arriving back in the HI and a few AA units coming in the next few days. I've begun sending back out the reduced defensive perimeter garrisons, and this will continue for the next month.

In Burma the IJA has pulled back from Prome anticipating the Thai units evaporating in three days. I'll see how Dan reacts before I move back further. I want to go to Rangoon and Pegu and hold for a while, but it's risky. Although Pegu is similar to Prome in that it's clear and has 6 forts, I may not be able to hold it in the same way since it's vulnerable to bombardments by sea.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR July 28, 1944
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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 24

Allied aircraft
Liberator GR.III x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator GR.III: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
Liberator GR.III: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Liberator GR.III bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 250 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
4th Sentai/B with Ki-45 KAId Nick (3 airborne, 8 on standby, 1 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 1000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes
53rd Sentai/B with Ki-45 KAId Nick (3 airborne, 8 on standby, 1 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 22

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 4
B-24J Liberator x 4
B-25H Mitchell x 6
B-29-1 Superfort x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 7 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 16

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Liberator B.III bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 15

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 15

Allied aircraft
B-25H Mitchell x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25H Mitchell: 3 destroyed

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 14

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 9

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 6 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 6

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 7 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 14 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 1

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 4

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kushiro , at 123,53

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25H Mitchell x 5

Allied aircraft losses
B-25H Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Resources hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25H Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Prome (55,50)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12187 troops, 134 guns, 789 vehicles, Assault Value = 6529

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 553

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 553 to 1 (fort level 6)

Allied forces CAPTURE Prome !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker:

Assaulting units:
254th Armoured Brigade
26th Indian/A Division
9th Australian Division
14th Indian Division
754th Tank Battalion
6th Australian Division
14th Army Engineer Battalion
5th Indian Division
81st (West African) Division
23rd Indian Division
Americal Infantry Division
41st Infantry Division
255th Indian Tank Brigade
193rd Tank Battalion
39th Indian Division
27th Infantry Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
29th British Brigade
3rd Cavalry Regiment
2nd British Division
40th Infantry Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
7th Australian Division
32nd Infantry Division
268th Motorised Brigade
19th Indian Division
26th Indian/B Division
26th Indian/C Division
IV Indian Corps
23rd AA Bde
XXXIII Indian Corps
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
70th Coast AA Regiment
XXXIII Corps RIASC Base Force
175th USAAF Base Force
1st RM Heavy AA Regiment
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
96th Coast AA Regiment
X' Force
205th Coast AA Regiment
122nd British AT Gun Regiment
208th Coast AA Regiment
78th Coast AA Regiment
Southeast Asia
77th Coast AA Regiment
I/14th Army RIASC Base Force
85th British AT Gun Regiment
20th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
8th Mahratta AT Gun Regiment
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
1st West African AA Regiment
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
197th Coast AA Regiment
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
16th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
858th Engineer Aviation Battalion

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 3/21/2018 3:30:34 PM   
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All quiet on the 29th. No action anywhere.

The Allies are moving quickly into our new holding hex in Burma. When they've all arrived it should be 8.5-9k AV of good Allied units. I've got about 5k AV with a LOT of AA and big heavy arty. It's a x2 hex, so could be dicey. I want to encourage an attack though and see if he'll sacrifice a bunch more 4E trying to hit the troops and get a negative result in the DA before I pull back farther. If this group could hold at Prome, I can't see why they wouldn't in this terrain once they have a fort or two built. Soon though it'll be back to Rangoon and Pegu.

On the mountain border with China the Chinese exile troops are attempting an invasion of their homeland. All red units on the map below are dug in divisions, and the Chinese are pouring into those hexes, sometimes 4-6 units in each. There could be some major battles up there soon, but supply has to be scarce. I'm also reinforcing Indochina and getting units up onto every base to garrison against para drops behind the lines.

The new defence of the Marianas is in place. Each base gets two Naval Guards/SNLF units, plus a base force and an engineer unit. There will be a brigade at Pagan and a few more at Babeldaop to air lift in the event of an Allied invasion. It's odd having so little here, but the forts are still there, and I can have up to 400AV in any single base within a few turns, so that is still a decent defence if he goes in lightly. I don't think he'll mess with them though.

In the DEI I will have a mobile reserve at Singapore, another at Ambon, and some other units able to air transfer on Java. Not much though. Again, only one division at Singers and a few brigades at Ambon. Only some of the bigger airfields like Kendari, Macassar, Koepang and Dili will have continuous garrisons.

The PI is also pretty bare now. A few naval guards on Mindanao, a few more plus two brigades on Luzon. All of this enables me to have much more around the HI on the now fortified islands in the Bonins, at and around Okinawa and Formosa, and of course especially on the Kuriles.





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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 3/21/2018 3:39:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not reading the opposition AAR, so if I were you I would get some troops on the north/south road east of Chiang Mai. There is one Chinese unit deep in the jungles to the east of it...I might recon the road hexes with some planes to spot enemy movement there...infiltrating is a time honored Allied response in this area.

A small unit, off the road in the jungle deep can cut the line of supply easily of Allied troops south of it.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I am not reading the opposition AAR, so if I were you I would get some troops on the north/south road east of Chiang Mai. There is one Chinese unit deep in the jungles to the east of it...I might recon the road hexes with some planes to spot enemy movement there...infiltrating is a time honored Allied response in this area.

A small unit, off the road in the jungle deep can cut the line of supply easily of Allied troops south of it.


I've been monitoring carefully along that road especially. I have an ID at Chang Mai to delay in case I get beat back here at some point. There are no movements off road not shown in this pic as of a few days ago though. I'll keep on checking just in case!

I am curious what he'll do when that one deep Chinese unit heading for Luangbrabang hits two brigades and a tank regiment dug in there with 4 forts. Will he attack?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 3/21/2018 8:40:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I am not reading the opposition AAR, so if I were you I would get some troops on the north/south road east of Chiang Mai. There is one Chinese unit deep in the jungles to the east of it...I might recon the road hexes with some planes to spot enemy movement there...infiltrating is a time honored Allied response in this area.

A small unit, off the road in the jungle deep can cut the line of supply easily of Allied troops south of it.


You would need to control all intervening hex sides, but yes you can lengthen the supply path at least.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs SqzMyLemon (A) - 3/23/2018 2:43:16 PM   
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The B-29s hit Matsuyama at night. It's got some engine factories and other industry, and not a lot of defences, but the Nick's from Hiroshima bleed over and intercept using their radar, and the Beasts suffer! On the day only a few manpower hits and light fires destroy about 9 engine factories, and 3 are shot down in A to A with another 2-3 lost to Flak.

The B-24s hit the Kuriles for the first time, looking to try and suppress airfield building (or fortification) at Simushiri and Ketoi jima. There is light damage, and it should be repaired within a day or two. Both bases have big engineer contingents right now, and plenty of supply. He'd have to really commit to stop anything now, with daily attacks and lots of 4E lost due to flak and ops.
In Cent Pac the Allies take Eniweitok easily in the first assault. This had about a half of an SNLF unit still in base with no arty. It didn't have a chance.

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Night Air attack on Matsuyama , at 105,59

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 10

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

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Night Air attack on Matsuyama , at 105,59

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 5

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 5 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

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Night Air attack on Matsuyama , at 105,59

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 3

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet *
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Matsuyama , at 105,59

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 7

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 3 damaged

Manpower hits 2
Fires 1160

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet *
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Matsuyama , at 105,59

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 3
Fires 2900

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 2000 feet *
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Naval bombardment of Eniwetok at 127,108

Allied Ships
BB Richelieu
CL Raleigh

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5
Port hits 8
Port supply hits 1

BB Richelieu firing at Eniwetok
OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for CL Raleigh
CL Raleigh firing at Eniwetok

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Ground combat at Eniwetok (127,108)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 10373 troops, 84 guns, 108 vehicles, Assault Value = 326

Defending force 1123 troops, 0 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 28

Allied adjusted assault: 303

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 303 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Eniwetok !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(-), disruption(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1426 casualties reported
Squads: 51 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 51 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
262 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
1st NZ Brigade
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
14th NZ Brigade

Defending units:
Maizuru 3rd SNLF
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