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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/4/2012 7:16:25 PM

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Gradually, as I have PPs, I will buy out 1E groups and upgrade to Sallys.

Are you sure you wouldn't rather convert the light bombers to Nicks? A vastly more useful plane than the Sally.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/4/2012 7:19:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

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Gradually, as I have PPs, I will buy out 1E groups and upgrade to Sallys.

Are you sure you wouldn't rather convert the light bombers to Nicks? A vastly more useful plane than the Sally.

Later I'd like to have a lot of Nicks. Right now it's not an option. I'm thinking only in the next month for now.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/4/2012 7:44:50 PM

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Sounds like you are on a good and clear path :)

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/4/2012 7:53:41 PM

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Catching up on this AAR....I am not going to look at Historiker's anymore, because I would like to see you come back from 3 CVs down. That would be quite a feat.

RE: China, I think Squeeze is dead-on; Chinese units in the open should be easily rolled by you the minute you can get a decent unit there. Sort out the garrison requirements, and get a few divisions freed-up; you should be able to turn this to your advantage. Chinese units in open terrain fold VERY easy, so don't be afraid to attack them fast.

RE: SRA, you need to get to Palembang ASAP. If he reinforces it, you are dead meat. Get one of the Malayan convoys, covered by the Kongo BBs and as many cruisers as you can. Bomb the crap out of Singapore from Khota Bharu, to keep Torps bombers under control; you probably can't shut Singapore down, but you can make it hard to use for a few days. You need to get Kuching or Singkawang ASAP to provide LRCAP over the Palembang invasion, but it may be too late to do that. You need to get to Palembang by December 20th at the very latest; any later and it's too late. You don't need very many Zeros as LRCAP to counter the torp bombers, because Vildebeests and Swords are defenseless vs. Zeros. (and a Buffalo escort won't help much)

I can't stress enough how important it is to get to Palembang.

RE: Rabaul, he can't really deny Rabaul to you in the intermediate term, without using his CVs. There are no land-based fighers available that can get to Rabaul in less than a month.

Looking Ahead
RE: CVs, from the prior shot it looks like AKAGI is undamaged, and Shokaku and Soryu look to need maybe a month in dry dock. Is that about right?

If that is correct, around Feb 1, you will have temporary CV superiority in the Pacific. You should have the following:

CV: Akagi, Shokaku, Soryu
CVL: Ryujo, Shoho, Zuiho

That's about 310 A/C, or the rough equivalent of 4 early USN CVs. Before the 4/42 flak upgrades, and with Devastators instead of Avengers, and your high-quality pilots, you will have a slight edge if you keep them all together.

So, I think Feb 1 through Mar 30th is your best window to get something done outside the SRA. Until then, focus on the SRA, because you can support with LBA.

Have a plan for when Feb 1 hits. You don't have a ton of time, but you need to minimally clear the Solomons, Wake, and get Port Moresby. You should still have enough to accomplish these things in time and ships.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/4/2012 7:59:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Sounds like you are on a good and clear path :)

Only time wil tell!

You never know when a runaway bus is going to cut across your path!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/4/2012 8:08:24 PM

obvert

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Catching up on this AAR....I am not going to look at Historiker's anymore, because I would like to see you come back from 3 CVs down. That would be quite a feat.

RE: China, I think Squeeze is dead-on; Chinese units in the open should be easily rolled by you the minute you can get a decent unit there. Sort out the garrison requirements, and get a few divisions freed-up; you should be able to turn this to your advantage. Chinese units in open terrain fold VERY easy, so don't be afraid to attack them fast.

RE: SRA, you need to get to Palembang ASAP. If he reinforces it, you are dead meat. Get one of the Malayan convoys, covered by the Kongo BBs and as many cruisers as you can. Bomb the crap out of Singapore from Khota Bharu, to keep Torps bombers under control; you probably can't shut Singapore down, but you can make it hard to use for a few days. You need to get Kuching or Singkawang ASAP to provide LRCAP over the Palembang invasion, but it may be too late to do that. You need to get to Palembang by December 20th at the very latest; any later and it's too late. You don't need very many Zeros as LRCAP to counter the torp bombers, because Vildebeests and Swords are defenseless vs. Zeros. (and a Buffalo escort won't help much)

I can't stress enough how important it is to get to Palembang.

RE: Rabaul, he can't really deny Rabaul to you in the intermediate term, without using his CVs. There are no land-based fighers available that can get to Rabaul in less than a month.

Thanks Q-Ball. Your AAR and that of Canoerebel got me hooked on this game, and although I'm attending weekly meetings I still can't kick it.

Palembang is a must, and is coming as fast as I can get there. I have some concerns about that area I'll detail in my next post. A Brigade is loading and ready to move out from Takao, and it will go flank speed once it's within range. The 20th is pushing it, but I'll try.

Singkawang and Kuching are just about taken. Details coming up.

As for China, a bunch of unit will start moving in the next few days. I just need fighters to cover the bombers, and then I can go to work.

As for Rabaul, that's what I'm worried about. Him covering Rabaul with the CVs. Not sure he could keep it up for long enough, but he could for a while. Search is moving in, at any rate, and we'll know soon what is up.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/4/2012 9:26:44 PM

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A big turn. At least I now know where all of the Allied ships have gone!

DEI: Transports continued to unload at Singkawang. I thought about removing them and coming back later to unload some remaining support troops, and in the future that might be a good plan.

A massive armada hit the IJN and the BBs stood tall. Kongo and Haruna started the battle by sinking two of the old DDs, then pounded PoW into submission. Amazing of course that Boise goes untouched. Grrrr. All in all, while my fingernails are considerably shorter, this turned out to be a good day.

After the battle the Haruna is left with 32 system damage and 26 flood, 17 engine. It's moving about 5 hexes a day, so hopefully can make it to port without further intervention.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Singkawang at 56,88, Range 5,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Walrus II: 1 destroyed
SOC-1 Seagull: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Shell hits 2
BB Haruna, Shell hits 17, on fire
CA Atago, Shell hits 1
DD Oshio
DD Arashio
DD Hibiki

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 41, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BC Repulse, Shell hits 1
CL Adelaide, Shell hits 2
CL Marblehead, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
CL Boise
DD John D. Edwards
DD Paul Jones, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
DD Parrott
DD Whipple, Shell hits 15, and is sunk
DD Stewart, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
DD Tenedos
DD Thracian, Shell hits 2

Reduced sighting due to 10% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 10% moonlight: 7,000 yards
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 5,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 5,000 yards
BB Haruna engages BB Prince of Wales at 5,000 yards
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After this another massive TF rolled in and wiped clean the APs and a couple of DDs. So the victory is bittersweet, but it had to happen. This was a must take base.

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Singkawang at 56,88, Range 22,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Yamakaze, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
DD Suzukaze, Shell hits 19, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Cornwall
CA Exeter, Shell hits 3
CL Dauntless
CL Ceres
CL Glasgow
CL Caledon
DD Banckert
DD Van Nes, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Witte de With
DD Evertsen, Shell hits 1
DD Kortenaer
DD Piet Hein

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 22,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 22,000 yards
DD Suzukaze engages CA Exeter at 22,000 yards
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Singkawang fell today. Kuching held on, but should go down tomorrow.

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Ground combat at Kuching (58,88)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1877 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 126

Defending force 1477 troops, 9 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 47

Japanese adjusted assault: 47

Allied adjusted defense: 21

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
122 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
II./124th Infantry Battalion
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF
8th JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
Sarawak Force
2/15 Punjab Battalion
106th RN Base Force

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Another night battle took place nearby with a bunch of British CLs. Inconclusive, even though Omi, I. crosses the 'T' .

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Kuching at 58,88, Range 3,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Takao, Shell hits 6
DD Michishio
DD Akatsuki, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Shirakumo
DD Hatsuyuki

Allied Ships
CL Danae
CL Dragon, Shell hits 5
CL Durban, Shell hits 1
DD Van Ghent
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China: Another division landed at Wenchow.

Bombing is commencing all over the place. Mainly focused on the unit going to Wenchow, that base's airfield, units around Nanchang.

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Morning Air attack on Wenchow , at 89,58

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N1 Kate x 5
D3A1 Val x 3
Ki-27b Nate x 8

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D3A1 Val bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 88th Chinese Corps, at 90,57 , near Shaohing

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 23

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Wenchow , at 89,58

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 19
Ki-27b Nate x 12
Ki-30 Ann x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 22

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
7 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Wenchow , at 89,58

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 15

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 89th Chinese/C Corps, at 90,49 , near Pengpu

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 19

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
199 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 89th Chinese/A Corps ...
Also attacking 89th Chinese/C Corps ...
Also attacking 89th Chinese/A Corps ...
Also attacking 89th Chinese/C Corps ...

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Prov Chinese Corps, at 92,35 (Kweisui)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 10

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 11th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 3rd Prov Chinese Corps ...

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Morning Air attack on 21st Chinese Corps, at 85,55 , near Nanchang

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 19
Ki-51 Sonia x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet *
Ground Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
9 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb

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In the North at Paotow an ambitious Chinese Corps was pushed back into the plains in a solid 2 to 1 attack. There are three more that need dealing with at Kweisui. I have 500 AV there and and I'll set them to bombard today to see what is across the lines.

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Ground combat at Paotow (92,34)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9245 troops, 111 guns, 192 vehicles, Assault Value = 329

Defending force 4493 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 166

Japanese adjusted assault: 213

Allied adjusted defense: 91

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
215 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1828 casualties reported
Squads: 92 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 49 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 14 (5 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
11th Indpt Infantry Regiment
26th Engineer Regiment
1st Cavalry Brigade
4th Cavalry Brigade
15th Tank Regiment
26th Recon Regiment
11th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
81st Chinese Corps

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Malaya: Moved into Georgetown. Moving on Taiping.

PI: More units beginning to pile in. Again my sweeps don't fly. Bad weather at both of our bases and at Manila. Not happy about that. Wasting me time.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/4/2012 9:35:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Looking Ahead
RE: CVs, from the prior shot it looks like AKAGI is undamaged, and Shokaku and Soryu look to need maybe a month in dry dock. Is that about right?

If that is correct, around Feb 1, you will have temporary CV superiority in the Pacific. You should have the following:

CV: Akagi, Shokaku, Soryu
CVL: Ryujo, Shoho, Zuiho

That's about 310 A/C, or the rough equivalent of 4 early USN CVs. Before the 4/42 flak upgrades, and with Devastators instead of Avengers, and your high-quality pilots, you will have a slight edge if you keep them all together.

So, I think Feb 1 through Mar 30th is your best window to get something done outside the SRA. Until then, focus on the SRA, because you can support with LBA.

Have a plan for when Feb 1 hits. You don't have a ton of time, but you need to minimally clear the Solomons, Wake, and get Port Moresby. You should still have enough to accomplish these things in time and ships.

I have been thinking about when that short period would be. Thank you for laying it out so clearly.

Yes, you're right about the CV repair timetable. I know there will be a minescule moment when I can act. That said, knowing Torsten, he might just take his chances then and go all out to see if he can win a CV battle and give me a knockout blow.

Now that I know I have Shortlands, Kaveing, and Finschafen, that should be a good basis for taking the rest of the Solomons without CV support. I will have the first two of the other CV Zero groups in March, so that's perfect timing.

Wake will be tough. Looks like he's got a CM TF on the way now. Not sure how easy it'll be to clear mines with CD guns in the base. I might just have to go all out and lose some stuff to get it.

Also, I'd like to get to Tabiteuaea in the Gilberts.

Priority will be the Solomons though.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/4/2012 10:21:46 PM

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That surface combat, BTW, is a good result for you. As the Japanese player, it makes me nervous when those 2 Kongos go against Force Z. You came out ahead, with PoW at the bottom. Too bad REPULSE didn't take more damage, otherwise you could consider them off the board.

If you haven't already, get some of the HYUGA/FUSO types down there to the SRA. They are more expendible than the Kongos, and should punish REPULSE if she does try to interfere. And they aren't going to do you much good elsewhere, without CV support. You might as well flood the SRA with the surface fleet at this point, and flush out the Allies.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/4/2012 10:30:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

That surface combat, BTW, is a good result for you. As the Japanese player, it makes me nervous when those 2 Kongos go against Force Z. You came out ahead, with PoW at the bottom. Too bad REPULSE didn't take more damage, otherwise you could consider them off the board.

If you haven't already, get some of the HYUGA/FUSO types down there to the SRA. They are more expendible than the Kongos, and should punish REPULSE if she does try to interfere. And they aren't going to do you much good elsewhere, without CV support. You might as well flood the SRA with the surface fleet at this point, and flush out the Allies.

Yes. Nervous is definitely the word. For the Allies they're expendable, but IJN BBs are not.

There are 4 BB holding the Sulu Sea momentarily while I go for Jolo. Then they will move to support a landing in Eastern Luzon, which needs to be soon. After that they'll support a try for Palembang.

Another two are running an invasion to Davao, and will keep shuttling forces to various bases there for a week or so. The big action off of Singkawang gives me confidence that I can act over here with relative safety for a few days.

Ternate is on the list as well if the coast remains clear and the Houston doesn't reappear.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/4/2012 11:43:09 PM

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Find what naval air units that can be re-sized, even if withdrawn in April 42, and rotate them on your CVs before they get repaired. I just has Taiyo stop at a port to replenishment and took an extra day to re-size a Val to 27 planes. It will take time to train up, but those Vals are good against those nimble DDs. I'm on the same date as you, but thankfully, with different results.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/5/2012 12:10:17 AM

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I will get some resized, for sure. The trouble is finding planes right now! Factories are repairing slowly, and there just aren't many around yet. I just sent the mini KB off to the South with 15 Zeros on Zuiho, 4 (!) on Ryujo, and 2 (!!) on Hosho. They'll get more at Cam Ran Bay, but it is tight for a while.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/5/2012 11:19:04 AM

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1) Great results in that naval battle. Prince of Wales gone and Repulse back to re-arm at Soerebaja probably. = No Capital ships around for a couple of days.

2) You have 5 days left to get to Palembang. Get on it. You have Singkawang now. So use it. Zeros should be sweeping Palembang first thing in the morning. Also send over a Sally unit to hit the airfield at Palembang. Not that it will do much damage, but it will give you an impression of what sort of defences you are facing there. One 36Zero-wing, one 27bomber Sally-wing and one 9recon unit at Singkawang to recon, sweep and hit the airfield.

3) Where are the Palembang invasion forces right now? If you are to land in 5 days they should be just north of Kuching right now.

Oh, do I seem obsessed with Palembang?

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In its place we are entering a period of consequences..

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/5/2012 12:07:21 PM

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1) Great results in that naval battle. Prince of Wales gone and Repulse back to re-arm at Soerebaja probably. = No Capital ships around for a couple of days.

Yes, I was amazed nothing of mine went down in that one. But the British CLs, about 6 of them, are rearming at Singapore, so there is still something around. Many IJN ships have taken enough damage to warrant a short sit in Saigon. I'm giving them 3 days to fix what they can.

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2) You have 5 days left to get to Palembang. Get on it. You have Singkawang now. So use it. Zeros should be sweeping Palembang first thing in the morning. Also send over a Sally unit to hit the airfield at Palembang. Not that it will do much damage, but it will give you an impression of what sort of defences you are facing there. One 36Zero-wing, one 27bomber Sally-wing and one 9recon unit at Singkawang to recon, sweep and hit the airfield.

Got the recon there day one, but they didn't fly as the base got slammed by 3 naval bombardments. No planes lost though, only 20 damage to the fields. I have to fly in more engineers.

I'm allocating an 18 zero group, a 9 zero group, some Nates possibly just to annoy bombers if they come, a 3 Mavis group plus the recon and I haven't decided about the boomers yet. The Tojos will go to Miri to protect oil. Torsten is already bombing Taihoku, and seems adamant that if I didn't take out the 4Es in the PI, they should take out any and all oil/industry he can get to. They'll most likely hit all airfields here soon too.

I will bring big zero groups when I can, but part of what I'm trying to do in the PI is take out the fighters so I can get to the bombers. At least for now he is still basing them in Clark! Sweeps have not flown due to weather for two days now, which is killing me.

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3) Where are the Palembang invasion forces right now? If you are to land in 5 days they should be just north of Kuching right now.

Near Samah. I won't send them without first a feint to draw the armada again. Too many ships there. He's very good at flooding an area. But it's a 1-2 shot tactic. If I can get them out, use up their ammo, damage or sink a few, then I go in with the real forces. A 4 BB TF is on the way as well, but has to rearm.

quote:

Oh, do I seem obsessed with Palembang?

Yes! For good reason I think.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/5/2012 10:31:46 PM

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16 December 1941
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subs: Something is happening at Wake. Wish I-25 would have aimed for the AP traveling with these two!

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Sub attack near Wake Island at 138,98

Japanese Ships
SS I-25

Allied Ships
PC Tiger, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PC Reliance

SS I-25 launches 4 torpedoes at PC Tiger
PC Reliance fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Reliance fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Reliance fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Reliance fails to find sub, continues to search...
PC Reliance fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Pacific: Kaveing, Shortlands and Finschafen are in our hands. At Wake 4 subs form our entire defensive array. The SCTF that carries one of the SNLFs intended for Wake, now near Marcus, will move closer to prepare an attack run.

The remnants of the KB are about a week from the HI. I'm fighting the urge to use Akagi, which is undamaged. So far I'm at least winning that battle.

DEI: Lots going on here. Singkawang gets pummeled. Now that we own it, it's not much use yet. I need a lot more engineers here, but at least he's wearing down those ships running them back and forth hitting the base. If he keeps it up I can also put some obstacles in his way. No Babs were destroyed, but some damaged, and none flew to Palembang. More recon will move to Kuching, and this unit will go there also.

One thing I just realized though, is that I don't think the BBs can resupply main guns at Cam Ran Bay. So where do I go for that? Would Hong Kong do it at size 8? Without an AKE? I'm creating a few AKEs at Saigon, but they'll be a while.

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Night Naval bombardment of Singkawang at 56,88

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-15-II Babs: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Tromp
CL De Ruyter
CL Java

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 4
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 2

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Night Naval bombardment of Singkawang at 56,88

Allied Ships
CL Durban
CL Dragon
CL Danae
DD Van Ghent

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 6
Runway hits 13
Port hits 5
Port supply hits 1

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Night Naval bombardment of Singkawang at 56,88

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-15-II Babs: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Cornwall
CL Caledon
CL Glasgow
CL Ceres
CL Dauntless

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4
Port hits 1
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Kuching falls. Jolo is invaded. This should give a little air control of this area soon. Jesselton and Miri are also invaded.

China: Wenchow and both the Corps on the way and the one in the base are hit by multiple air strikes. All divisions are landed.

If this works I think I'm going to name it 'SqzMyWenchow!' in honor of it's originator. If it goes wrong I'll call it's 'obvert's folly,' but I could use that for a few things already in this game.

I'm getting a bit nervous about Sinyang. Many Chinese units are moving in, and I have only one Brigade and two small Chinese units there. All have level 4 forts and its good terrain, but you never know. A division is moving in.

Mines are being cleared from Hong Kong. Although, as usual, one of the AMc cleared one mine the hard way.

We also found the AVG the hard way. Luckily it was just Lilys and Sonias. Recon also gave us some insight about the bases and positioning. I'll post a map after this. Now all bombing nearby will stop. I'll only bomb troops away from bases that can support fighters. Once the PI is liquidated, those zeros will move in to see what they can do. In the meantime I'll keep upgrading to Oscars and sweep where I can to try to surprise him.

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Afternoon Air attack on 62nd Chinese Corps, at 76,57 (Wuchow)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 5
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 21
Ki-51 Sonia x 15

Allied aircraft
H81-A3 x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
11 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
5 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
AVG/2nd Sqn with H81-A3 (13 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
13 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead

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Near Wuchang, here is what we're facing. One more division is on the way. I think when it arrives, we'll have this in hand.

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Ground combat at 85,52 (near Wuchang)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 24141 troops, 224 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 874

Defending force 11718 troops, 81 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 371

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
3rd Division
13th Tank Regiment
6th Division

Defending units:
37th Chinese Corps
58th Chinese Corps

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Here is what we're facing in the North. Another two Brigades are moving in. The attack will come in a few days. This should turn into a rout and destroy these units for further use.

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Ground combat at Kweisui (92,35)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 13881 troops, 102 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 517

Defending force 9470 troops, 86 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 307

Assaulting units:
1st Ching An Tui Brigade
2nd Ching An Tui Brigade
12th Indpt Infantry Regiment
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
3rd Ching An Tui Brigade
13th Indpt Infantry Regiment
Mongol Garrison Army

Defending units:
11th Chinese Corps
3rd Prov Chinese Corps
17th Group Army

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Malaya: Taiping is taken.

PI: Davao is invaded. Still, weather not letting us sweep Manila. Really getting on my nerves, as this also lets his groups heal after his recent sweeps.

PTs come again for Vigan. The two SCTFs there hold them off but can't sink any so far. All troops coming in through Aparri.

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Here is a pic of the reinforcement queue. The soonest group comes in 63 days. The next after that in 83. I'll wait a bit to buy the Kates and Vals. I need tanks in China, apparently, right away.

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ORIGINAL: obvert

One thing I just realized though, is that I don't think the BBs can resupply main guns at Cam Ran Bay. So where do I go for that? Would Hong Kong do it at size 8? Without an AKE? I'm creating a few AKEs at Saigon, but they'll be a while.

What port size is CRB? I would send the Fleet HQ currently at Takao to CRB. Increasing the amount of naval support will offset the smaller port size and allow rearming. Just check the manual to see how much you need, or I can provide that info when I get home. If you do decide to rearm the BB's at Hong Kong, I'd divert them to whack Wenchow.

quote:

If this works I think I'm going to name it 'SqzMyWenchow!' in honor of it's originator. If it goes wrong I'll call it's 'obvert's folly,' but I could use that for a few things already in this game.

Oh man, that is just so wrong

. Depending on your AV at the base I think you'll take it, but the key here is speed and without trashing your LCU's. So if you can, I really recommend a few naval bombardments to soften up the defenders first. You may not have time though before those two Chinese Corps arrive.

Thanks for the laugh! Now the pressure is on for Wenchow to be a success, otherwise my credibility is shot!

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Joseph, you can breathe easy! SqzMyWenchow works like a charm!

China: Three divisions and the elements of a fourth take Wenchow easily in one DA today. Since this was such a success, they will also stay around for one more week to trash the other big corps two hexes away. This will shore up the whole area and let the existing units here concentrate on next objectives. All TFs are still in the area and will bring in supplies as they return to pick up troops.

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Ground combat at Wenchow (89,58)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 45079 troops, 409 guns, 105 vehicles, Assault Value = 1603

Defending force 12234 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 428

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 1447

Allied adjusted defense: 157

Japanese assault odds: 9 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Wenchow !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1103 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 80 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 12 (3 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 27 (1 destroyed, 26 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
5332 casualties reported
Squads: 84 destroyed, 95 disabled
Non Combat: 190 destroyed, 57 disabled
Engineers: 33 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 11 (5 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
56th Recon Regiment
56th Engineer Regiment
148th Infantry Regiment
4th Division
21st Division
113th Infantry Regiment
33rd Division
56th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
100th Chinese Corps
25th Group Army
14th Chinese Base Force

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The troops at Sinyang are holding by a thread. The division is taking forever to get there. The hex sides are at least open so if the base falls, troops can retreat. I didn't think this much was here, so the attack was a surprise. Shocked it didn't fall today.

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Ground combat at Sinyang (86,48)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 52079 troops, 276 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1839

Defending force 8054 troops, 74 guns, 13 vehicles, Assault Value = 279

Allied adjusted assault: 630

Japanese adjusted defense: 271

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
570 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled

Allied ground losses:
2462 casualties reported
Squads: 14 destroyed, 303 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Guns lost 18 (1 destroyed, 17 disabled)

Assaulting units:
85th Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
12th Chinese Corps
41st Chinese Corps
29th Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
90th Chinese Corps
7th New Chinese Corps
2nd Group Army
3rd Group Army
31st Group Army

Defending units:
12th RGC Temp. Division
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
18th RGC Temp. Division
52nd Road Const Co
67th JAAF AF Coy
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subs: Wake is surely being reinforced. The I-25 gets an escort again, but the big prize sails right through.

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Sub attack near Wake Island at 138,98

Japanese Ships
SS I-25

Allied Ships
AM Bobolink, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AM Turkey
xAP St. Mihel
AM Vireo
AM Grebe

SS I-25 launches 2 torpedoes at AM Bobolink
I-25 diving deep ....
AM Vireo fails to find sub and abandons search

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Pacific: The SCTF is heading to Wake. I think the CV is gone now, and it's worth a shot to take out ships and possibly troops, although it's probably too late for that.

DEI: The Allies go wild on bombardments of Singkawang, including one by Repulse, which effectively closes the base. Kuching is up and running though. Tomorrow I'll send a SCTF to patrol the approaches to it, so at least there is one base functional over here.

Miri is also ours now. The HQ does not yet have torp ability. Tomorrow it should. Jolo also is taken.

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Night Naval bombardment of Singkawang at 56,88

Allied Ships
CL Adelaide
DD Thracian

CL Adelaide firing at Yokosuka 4th SNLF
DD Thracian firing at Singkawang

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Night Naval bombardment of Singkawang at 56,88

Allied Ships
CL Dauntless
CL Dragon

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 3
Port hits 1

CL Dauntless firing at Singkawang
CL Dragon firing at Singkawang

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Night Naval bombardment of Singkawang at 56,88

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-15-II Babs: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
BC Repulse
DD Tenedos
DD Parrott
DD John D. Edwards

Japanese ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 13
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Walrus II acting as spotter for BC Repulse
BC Repulse firing at Singkawang
DD Tenedos firing at Yokosuka 4th SNLF
DD Parrott firing at Singkawang
DD John D. Edwards firing at Singkawang

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Night Naval bombardment of Singkawang at 56,88

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-15-II Babs: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Cornwall
CL Caledon
CL Glasgow
CL Ceres
CL Tromp
CL De Ruyter
CL Java
DD Van Ghent
DD Piet Hein
DD Kortenaer
DD Evertsen
DD Witte de With
DD Van Nes
DD Banckert
DD Edsall

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 32
Port hits 9
Port supply hits 4

Walrus II acting as spotter for CA Cornwall
CA Cornwall firing at Sasebo 3rd SNLF
CL Caledon firing at Yokosuka 4th SNLF
CL Glasgow firing at Sasebo 3rd SNLF
CL Ceres firing at Sasebo 3rd SNLF
CL Tromp firing at Singkawang
CL De Ruyter firing at Yokosuka 4th SNLF
CL Java firing at Sasebo 3rd SNLF
DD Van Ghent firing at Sasebo 3rd SNLF
DD Piet Hein firing at Singkawang
DD Kortenaer firing at Singkawang
DD Evertsen firing at Singkawang
DD Witte de With firing at Singkawang
DD Van Nes firing at Singkawang
DD Banckert firing at Singkawang
DD Edsall firing at Singkawang

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Malaya: I think he's using Singapore's port to heal ships, and there are still no fighters there. Bases will be ready to fly IJAAF bombers tomorrow, so we'll see.

PI: Sweeps at last flew over Manila. The results were decent, but not overwhelming. They lost 22 and we lost 8 for the day.

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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 35

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 7
P-35A x 11
P-40B Warhawk x 18
P-40E Warhawk x 39

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A: 1 destroyed
P-35A: 1 destroyed
P-40B Warhawk: 2 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet

CAP engaged:
24th PG/3rd PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 17000 and 22000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
24th PG/17th PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 23000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
24th PG/20th PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 19000 and 25000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
35th PG/21st PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 27000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
35th PG/34th PS with P-35A (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 21000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
6th PS PAAC with P-26A (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 18000 and 21000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
24th PG/HqS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 1
P-35A x 5
P-40B Warhawk x 11
P-40E Warhawk x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

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Got great results against PTs near Laong during the night. Odd we did so well, considering it was 0% moonlight. I'll take it though.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Laoag at 81,72, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Natori
DD Satsuki
DD Minazuki
DD Fumizuki
DD Nagatsuki
DD Harukaze
DD Hatakaze

Allied Ships
MTB 7
MTB 8, Shell hits 1
MTB 9
MTB 10, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
MTB 11
MTB 12, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 0% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Laoag at 80,72, Range 17,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Natori
DD Satsuki
DD Minazuki
DD Fumizuki
DD Nagatsuki
DD Harukaze
DD Hatakaze

Allied Ships
MTB 7
MTB 8, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB 9
MTB 11

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 19,000 yards
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Laoag at 81,72, Range 15,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Natori
DD Satsuki
DD Minazuki
DD Fumizuki
DD Nagatsuki
DD Harukaze
DD Hatakaze

Allied Ships
PT-31, Shell hits 2, on fire
PT-32, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-33
PT-35, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 21,000 yards
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 15,000 yards
Simmons U. gains tactical advantage
CL Natori engages PT-35 at 15,000 yards
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Nice job at Wenchow.

As for Cam Ranh Bay - I think 2nd Fleet starts at Samah, which can be moved to CRB for additional naval support to rearm those BB. They will reload at Hong Kong, but it may take 2 days (not including the additional time to get there). I think you only have one AKE; not sure if it starts in Takao or Babeldaob, or maybe Hiroshima, but get it down to the action.

Good luck.

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Here is the state of things now in China.

Torsten is pushing hard in several area.

Nanchang:

In the Sounth center around Nanchang he has about 12-14 units moving to all sides of the base. This area I feel solid about as the forts are at level 4, the two Brigades in the base are getting stronger, and there is division in Kiukiang that can move to shore up the defense if the base is seriously threatened. Also, with the units in the Wenchow area being routed, the IJA divisions starting around the river can move to take out the remaining resistance in this area and begin to move this way.

Wenchow:

Here the big 400 AV Chinese Corps that was in the city was diminished by at least 30%. Since that base was taken, supply might become an issue sooner rather than later for the units in the area. The other Corps will be attacked and hopefully reduced as well. Divisions from Anking, Soochow and Hangchow will move on Chuhsien and try to push these units back, further weakening them.

Wuchang:

This base is being threatened from two sides. Only a Brigade is in the city, but the 3 divisions will attack tomorrow and aim to push back the interloping 2 Corps on the road toward Kiukiang. If that goes to plan, at least two will move back into the city while one holds the road. There is one tank regiment here, and I haven't decided which way it will go.

Hankow:

West of Hankow is also a stack of Chinese troops from Ichang. This base is very secure with a division supported by two brigades and a host of small Chinese units and arty. All behind good level 4 forts. If he moves in, great. Supply is moving to come up river here as well.

Sinyang:

Sinyang is the major concern. The first attack there reduced the forts to 3 and slightly weakened the IJA troops while taking 300 disablements for the Chinese. If the division can make it in in time I feel this base will stand. In this terrain defense has the advantage, especially if the troops are more hearty. If the Chinese get a 1:2 in any attacks, it could really hurt.

Even if it falls, the troops will recover and more are on the way from the North. Three divisions, a regiment and an 80 AV tank unit are in the area and moving out across the plains.

Kaoping:

In the North center, the Chinese appear to be also moving on Kaoping. This is being reinforced by 2 divisions and a brigade. That should do it.

North:

In the far North, troops are piling into Kwesui. No panic here, just getting overwhelming numbers and then the push back will begin.

Paotow, which was threatened, is now safe after one Corps was kicked out and an engineer unit is building bigger forts quickly.

Bombing is increasing. The AVG is in China in force .At least two of the sections. This could bode well for closing the Burma road soon. I'll try to weaken these AVG elements quickly. Oscars are filling groups fast. It'll be cat and mouse for a while, but I'll not bomb anything close to a base that has a field for a while.

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Nice job at Wenchow.

As for Cam Ranh Bay - I think 2nd Fleet starts at Samah, which can be moved to CRB for additional naval support to rearm those BB. They will reload at Hong Kong, but it may take 2 days (not including the additional time to get there). I think you only have one AKE; not sure if it starts in Takao or Babeldaob, or maybe Hiroshima, but get it down to the action.

Good luck.

Thanks. I'll try both moving the HQ and heading to Hong Kong. Both will help various ships if they do work.

I have an AKE at Babeldaob. It is needed there as well, so I'll leave it for now.

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I think he is burning too much supply in China. He should have focused on defense instead. But Torsten in certainly hell of alot better player then me so I might be wrong! But moving out of his forts and defensive bonuses can�t be bad news for you. If you can stop his offensive I think this will speed up the collapse of China. The sooner you can close the burma road the better. With it closed the small stockpiles of supply will start to dwindle fast. But you need to start bombing ASAP to start burning the supply!

Regarding the AVG, Supply will work against him here aswell as he needs 20k supply to draw new airframes. Its hard to find bases in China which have that much and pretty soon I think he might have to fly them out to India to reinforce. He also only have a few fields to fly from that are above size 1. If you can close them you have effectivly stopped him. The range of the P40 variants are...lacking!

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I think he is burning too much supply in China. He should have focused on defense instead. But Torsten in certainly hell of alot better player then me so I might be wrong! But moving out of his forts and defensive bonuses can�t be bad news for you. If you can stop his offensive I think this will speed up the collapse of China. The sooner you can close the burma road the better. With it closed the small stockpiles of supply will start to dwindle fast. But you need to start bombing ASAP to start burning the supply!

Regarding the AVG, Supply will work against him here aswell as he needs 20k supply to draw new airframes. Its hard to find bases in China which have that much and pretty soon I think he might have to fly them out to India to reinforce. He also only have a few fields to fly from that are above size 1. If you can close them you have effectivly stopped him. The range of the P40 variants are...lacking!

Thanks Jocke. I was assuming similar things but I haven't played that side in so long its hard to remember exactly what the possibilities are.

With the P-40 (and other airframes) is the LR CAP ability only out to normal range, not max range? So I believe to 5 hexes, not 6, right?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/6/2012 7:50:27 AM

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Obvert,
LCAP is only passable on normal range but to fly LCAP or CAP AF lvl 1 is enough so watch those small AF.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/6/2012 8:27:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

I think he is burning too much supply in China. He should have focused on defense instead. But Torsten in certainly hell of alot better player then me so I might be wrong! But moving out of his forts and defensive bonuses can�t be bad news for you. If you can stop his offensive I think this will speed up the collapse of China. The sooner you can close the burma road the better. With it closed the small stockpiles of supply will start to dwindle fast. But you need to start bombing ASAP to start burning the supply!

Regarding the AVG, Supply will work against him here aswell as he needs 20k supply to draw new airframes. Its hard to find bases in China which have that much and pretty soon I think he might have to fly them out to India to reinforce. He also only have a few fields to fly from that are above size 1. If you can close them you have effectivly stopped him. The range of the P40 variants are...lacking!

Thanks Jocke. I was assuming similar things but I haven't played that side in so long its hard to remember exactly what the possibilities are.

With the P-40 (and other airframes) is the LR CAP ability only out to normal range, not max range? So I believe to 5 hexes, not 6, right?

Yepp, Both the H81 and P40E are 5 hexes.

Btw, Did you get my email? I think your computer failed to upload the files to dropbox!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/6/2012 8:41:55 AM

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Obvert,
LCAP is only passable on normal range but to fly LCAP or CAP AF lvl 1 is enough so watch those small AF.

Thanks, that's what I thought! So much info I feel I have to go over things several times before I really get it.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/6/2012 8:43:58 AM

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I think he is burning too much supply in China. He should have focused on defense instead. But Torsten in certainly hell of alot better player then me so I might be wrong! But moving out of his forts and defensive bonuses can�t be bad news for you. If you can stop his offensive I think this will speed up the collapse of China. The sooner you can close the burma road the better. With it closed the small stockpiles of supply will start to dwindle fast. But you need to start bombing ASAP to start burning the supply!

Regarding the AVG, Supply will work against him here aswell as he needs 20k supply to draw new airframes. Its hard to find bases in China which have that much and pretty soon I think he might have to fly them out to India to reinforce. He also only have a few fields to fly from that are above size 1. If you can close them you have effectivly stopped him. The range of the P40 variants are...lacking!

Thanks Jocke. I was assuming similar things but I haven't played that side in so long its hard to remember exactly what the possibilities are.

With the P-40 (and other airframes) is the LR CAP ability only out to normal range, not max range? So I believe to 5 hexes, not 6, right?

Yepp, Both the H81 and P40E are 5 hexes.

Btw, Did you get my email? I think your computer failed to upload the files to dropbox!

They should be up! Sorry for the wait. Fell asleep after setting them to load and didn't check this morning until at work.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/6/2012 11:13:59 AM

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18 December 1941
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Thanks to all who advocated and gave great advice for landing at Palembang by December 15th. You were correct, (PH)! The Palembang Gambit is on.

subs: I-20 misses CA Portland with 6 at Wake. Anger.

DEI: What every Japanese player fears is realized. There are 1180 troops and 12 units at Palembang. Worse, several APs are in the port, obviously unloading more higher quality troops.

It's ironic that while I've espoused elsewhere that this is a gambit, and does have possible counters, I now get to test my theories. I like the challenge. It will be tougher without the KB, but as Q-Ball pointed out, there may be a period in the spring of 42 when the KB will again be strong enough to take on US CVs.

To land by the 15th would have been hazardous to say the least with the amount of naval forces in the area. He has committed the entire British fleet here, plus all of the US and Dutch as well. Nothing is in the E DEI. It's wide open, currently. To land now will require more troops than I can protect without first challenging surface forces in the area. Feints will be required, but the process will not be quick.

Currently I am sending a SCTF to just outside Kuching to protect that base and try to interdict further runs at Singkawang. Several fast DD TFs will be sent out to raid at Palembang. The Nells now at Miri and Kuching, plus the few Mavis I could scrape up should give a much better idea of the movement of forces during the coming days, and hopefully will also help the subs find targets. The HQ here should be torpedo capable in a few days, which may provide a surprise or two.

The vacancy of the E DEI also makes us gear up there and I'd like to get to the Celebes, Tarakan and possibly Balikpapan soon.

Repulse visits Singkawang again. This must be putting some accumulative damage on all of these ships, coming in fast every other day.

He looks to be using Singapore port to dock some of these ships. I will make an attempt with the IJAAF Sallys, just now in position, to hit the port tomorrow. The air force seems to be all at Kuala Lumpur and at Palembang.

Today Jesselton was taken. Also, there was one small combat near Jolo in the night. Nice to get rid of this small yet surprising old battlewagon.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Tawi Tawi at 72,91, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Maya
CA Ashigara
CL Kuma
DD Asakaze
DD Matsukaze

Allied Ships
AM Abraham Crijnssen, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
AM Eland Dubois, Shell hits 23, and is sunk
PG Soerabaja, Shell hits 54, and is sunk

Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 0% moonlight: 3,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 2,000 yards
Japanese launch Long Lance torpedoes at 2,000 yards before allies detect Japanese presence
CA Ashigara launches Long Lance Torpedoes at AM Abraham Crijnssen at 2,000 yards

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China: Troops between Wuchang and Kuikiang were cleared away easily. One division will stay here to support Kiukiang and Nanchang while the others move back to Wuchang.

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Ground combat at 85,52 (near Wuchang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 36278 troops, 328 guns, 94 vehicles, Assault Value = 1266

Defending force 11696 troops, 81 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 367

Japanese adjusted assault: 835

Allied adjusted defense: 89

Japanese assault odds: 9 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
209 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
5917 casualties reported
Squads: 83 destroyed, 138 disabled
Non Combat: 84 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 19 (19 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
13th Tank Regiment
3rd Division
6th Division
40th Division

Defending units:
37th Chinese Corps
58th Chinese Corps

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At Kweiteh the 35th division took the base and will now move to support Sinyang.

At that base today the troops held on! A DA lowered forts to 2, but the attack only got a 1:1. Tomorrow for sure our division should reach the base, although the Chinese have one unit reinforcing as well. The next to move there is a regiment about a week away, then tanks shortly after.

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Ground combat at Sinyang (86,48)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 50167 troops, 275 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1600

Defending force 7707 troops, 74 guns, 13 vehicles, Assault Value = 236

Allied adjusted assault: 702

Japanese adjusted defense: 429

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
682 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled

Allied ground losses:
666 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 48 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

Assaulting units:
90th Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
41st Chinese Corps
12th Chinese Corps
29th Chinese Corps
85th Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
7th New Chinese Corps
3rd Group Army
2nd Group Army
31st Group Army

Defending units:
12th RGC Temp. Division
1st Ind.Mixed Brigade
18th RGC Temp. Division
52nd Road Const Co
67th JAAF AF Coy

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PI: Surigao was invaded and Cagayan bombarded. No planes using it, but still good to put a hit on to reduce the possibility.

Sweeps found no planes in the air over Manila. That was expected, but our bombers didn't fly, which is frustrating. They are in a base with an HQ as well. Maybe tomorrow. I give the zeros another week here, then they are needed elsewhere.

Pacific: Nells went for ships at Wake to no avail. The SCTF is heading in.

At Guam forts were lowered to 1 in a 1:1 attack. A Shock Attack will go tomorrow. If that doesn't work, an SNLF will be moved in.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/6/2012 11:45:56 AM

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Here is the situation in China. I need more planes and tanks, quickly!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 6/6/2012 1:42:52 PM

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Sending in the only forces I have in the area. Looks like it's too late to stop anything landing though.

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