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RE: 1945! - 10/27/2013 9:52:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffK

As for trading ID's for planes, remember two things: Planes never took a single hex in history, you must have ground forces to take possession. In terms of total LCU's the two sides were fairly well matched.

BUT with an historical air supremacy the AFB SHOULD be able to beat the IJA to a pulp, taking out one arm lessens the effect of the others.

Why is so much effort taken to explain why the JFB is able to over produce and maximise the effectiveness of its air force. The apparent need to make the game enjoyable to one player places the other in a less than enjoyable position.

Joc, Well done in Manila, IMVHO this shows he is low on supply in Manila, keep on bashing.




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RE: 1945! - 10/27/2013 10:37:09 AM   
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Thanks for the support guys. I´m glad I´m not the only one feeling things are a little out of whack.

I shudder to think how this game would look if we had played with the official release where LBA rules all so I would have been denied the seas too. It will surely be a challenge now to try and advance under Japanese air superiority and no allied bomber support. We will try and find a way.

Things SHOULD look better in 9/45 when I get 300 P51s per month. But by then again I´ll probably be going up against 500 Shindens and 500 Jets! (I am kidding) On a more serious note it does look very bleak for a daytime bombing campaign against the HI. But thats far off in any case.

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RE: 1945! - 10/27/2013 11:09:50 AM   
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South China Sea January 10th -45
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I´m really curious on two things here. What is Erik going to do with the KB.

Is he going to get lured by the air fortress at Saigon and tries for a combined LBA/KB strike...Never know when it comes to Erik and the KB. If I were him I would wait and try and wreck a landing on Formosa/China/Okinawa instead. But he doesn´t know what the fleet looks like. He is getting only crappy intel with 2-3 TFs lit up by 2-5 DL. He could believe this is a landing on the Indochina coast. Or that this is just a portion of the CV fleet...I would love for him to come now. The entire Allied fleet gathered in one spot, KB far from the HI and loads of allied subs in the vicinity...By moving north I hope to make it look like a landing and lure him in. In reality I just want to cut off all those VPs..eh I mean ships in Saigon from the HI. He can´t maintain a 1000 plane CAP forever.

I´m also very curious to why he moved his ASW TFs west? Did my move North caught him off guard and he didn´t expect it? So he was going to use the ASW TFs to escort the 100 ships at Saigon to the HI?




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RE: 1945! - 10/27/2013 11:30:38 AM   
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9th-10th January -45
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Besides the things I already posted not much happened in the rest of the map.

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Cotabato
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I scattered many of the supply TFs to places like Balikpapan, Tarakan, Iloilo and Luzon. In all about 3 million supply is being distributed. Tankers are topping off Iloilo and Cotabato while the AO top off the tanks to be ready to support the fleet. Some of the 8800 RNG tankers will remain in theatre and start hauling locally produced fuel from Tarakan and Balikpapan.

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DEI
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I still lack lift here so things move slowly.

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Indochina
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The attack at the rivercrossing failed miserably. I know this one was a bad roll of the dice as my CR showed equal losses for both sides. I´ll have to wait for the rest of troops to arrive. 4500 AV is about 2 week from the actual crossing. Not really sure if I should risk a crossing or go around? It will cost me 4-6 days to go around. What do you guys think? Here is the opposition.

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Ground combat at 64,60 (near Vinh)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 8627 troops, 47 guns, 930 vehicles, Assault Value = 594

Defending force 11485 troops, 29 guns, 200 vehicles, Assault Value = 432

Allied adjusted assault: 366

Japanese adjusted defense: 583

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 59 (23 destroyed, 36 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
523 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 78 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 40 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 90 (16 destroyed, 74 disabled)


Assaulting units:
50th Tank Brigade
254th Armoured Brigade
255th Indian Tank Brigade
18th Cavalry Regiment


Defending units:
12th Tank Regiment
27th Electric Engineer Regiment
13th Ind.Infantry Brigade
65th Brigade
176th JAAF AF Bn /3




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Superstack
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I´m starting to feel really grateful for these attacks. Knowing each ID is 2800 planes times 12 divisions = 33600 planes. And thats not counting everything else. Besides they will come back with 35/35 EXP/MRL.

I´ve started moving everything out besides a lone Chinese Corps and Chinese Corp HQ.

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Ground combat at 55,59 (near Tavoy)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 92537 troops, 1251 guns, 1898 vehicles, Assault Value = 740

Defending force 60590 troops, 914 guns, 572 vehicles, Assault Value = 1696

Japanese adjusted assault: 4

Allied adjusted defense: 6001

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1500

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
11106 casualties reported
Squads: 426 destroyed, 180 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 224 disabled
Engineers: 31 destroyed, 29 disabled
Guns lost 70 (38 destroyed, 32 disabled)
Vehicles lost 48 (28 destroyed, 20 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
564 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 34 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)


Assaulting units:
2nd Division
29th Ind.Mixed Brigade
55th Division
33rd Division
5th Division
3rd Tank Division
18th Division

24th Ind.Mixed Brigade
38th Division
39th Division
16th Division
2nd Tank Division

8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
79th Brigade
2nd Area Army
2nd Medium Mortar Battalion
21st Division
27th Fld AA Gun Co
25th Army
Burma Area Army
43rd Const Co
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Ind.Mixed Regiment
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Army
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
10th RF Gun Battalion
14th Mortar Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Guards Division
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
1st RF Gun Battalion
28th Army
15th Army
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
22nd Tank Regiment
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
14th RF Gun (Pack) Battalion
3rd Medium Mortar Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
11th Mortar Battalion
8th RF Gun Battalion
75th Infantry Brigade
17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Art.Mortar Regiment
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
19th Army
7th JAAF Base Force


Defending units:
11th (East African) Division
2nd New Chinese Corps
6th New Chinese Corps
6th Medium Regiment
NCAC
XXXIII Indian Corps
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
X' Force
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
87th Medium Regiment
28th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
85th British AT Gun Regiment
6th Mixed A/T Mtr Regiment
86th Medium Regiment
8th Belfast Heavy Regiment
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
8th Medium Regiment
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RE: 1945! - 10/27/2013 11:49:27 AM   
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Victory Points
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Although we don´t "play for them" I can´t help looking at this screen almost every turn lately. Its a great motivator right now when all else feels a bit bleak. Obviously I´m doing something right despite the setbacks.






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RE: 1945! - 10/27/2013 2:12:00 PM   
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11th January -45
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Not much action.

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Manila
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I order a bombardment to check the results of the DA yesterday. We are definitely moving in the right direction. The raw AV is now 1,78 from the last attacks 1,72. So again we increased the raw AV difference and lowered the forts. Hurrah!

Interestingly enough it looks like Erik is going to reinforce. Not sure thats the best move at this stage. Next attack will be against (hopefully) level 4 forts possibly making it even more bloody for him. I´m pretty confident Manila may fall before January is up. But I´m going to hedge my bet. I have 3 divisions planning for secondary targets in Mars/April. I´m going to move them to Manila adding weight to the assault. One of the divisions is the 4th Marine division. So its a substantial addition.

I´ve also started picking up the Lingayen troops at their various locations (Balikpapan, Sarmi, Cotabato) to assemble at Iloilo. To make the landing secure I will give CV support to the operation.

I feel very optimistic about Luzon right now.

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Kudat
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First attack went ahead today. Good results. Air force has been working over them sporadically. Don´t need the base anymore but might as well go ahead to grab it since the troops are there.

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Ground combat at Kudat (69,86)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9669 troops, 165 guns, 169 vehicles, Assault Value = 404

Defending force 4572 troops, 32 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 132

Allied adjusted assault: 185

Japanese adjusted defense: 117

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-)

Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
257 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Allied ground losses:
352 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 50 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)


Assaulting units:
3rd Motor Brigade
24th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
22nd Australian Brigade

Defending units:
63rd Infantry Brigade
172nd JAAF AF Bn


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Subs
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Another 4 damaged by ASW air. I hope we are out of danger tomorrow. The british subs arrived at Cotabato. Pretty beat up though after running the gauntlet around singers. Two were sunk by ASW air and one by "Es". Another 10 or so damaged. 4 of those will have to go to the yard in OZ.

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Strat bombing
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Trying something new here. I set all B29s to go after the Irwing plant. With any luck there are no NFs there. I´ve had horrible hit ratios doing this in sandbox so I don´t expect any hits. But I hope Erik gets concerned and moves some NFs here.


Here is a screen of Luzon.




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RE: 1945! - 10/27/2013 3:26:41 PM   
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One startling statistic I noticed from the Aircraft Losses table. The Allies have flown 22,273 more sorties than the Japanese during the entire campaign. That is hard to believe for January 8, 1945. How is that possible given the disparity in the amount of Aviation Support between the sides?
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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Thanks for the replies guys. I´ll get back on that tonight!

Just watched the replay...I thought Erik couldn´t adequately cover Luzon with the 900-1100 fighters he has in Thailand. I was wrong. Very, very wrong.

Don´t think I have to paint a picture how bad this is... 4 Sweeps came in before the bombers. The escorts didn´t fly at all for some unknown reason. Doubt that would make a difference though because most likely the 200 escorts would have attached themselves to a 8 plane fragment while the rest would have went in unescorted.

Bad, bad, bad day for the already beaten USAAF. I REALLY need those overpowered 4Es. Anyone knows when or where they arrive?





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RE: 1945! - 10/27/2013 6:18:28 PM   
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Joc, I think you miss read the Manila situation.  I don't think he is going to reinforce Manila; rather, I think he sees the writing on the wall and is preparing a new defensive position aimed at the evacuation of Luzon thru Aparri.  I think what you are seeing is preparation for a staged withdrawal from Manila.  A couple of turns will tell.

Nice to get Bangkok on the cheap, but sorry you did not nab the lot and put them behind contina wire.  As for the superstack in junglegrad, that is quite a show.  Surrender you fools!  Live to rebuild Japan.  Oh wait...they will comeback to life in Japan soon enough.  Oh well they will resemble zombies in their ability to fight when they do come back....at a cost:)!

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RE: 1945! - 10/27/2013 6:22:53 PM   
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" ...Oh well they will resemble zombies in their ability to fight when they do come back....at a cost:)! ... "


I am very curious to follow the effect of strat bombing on supplies within the home islands and the rebuilding of units. I am thinking that forces are going to intersect producing a supply crises of sorts ...



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RE: 1945! - 10/27/2013 6:34:24 PM   
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Joc, I think you miss read the Manila situation.  I don't think he is going to reinforce Manila; rather, I think he sees the writing on the wall and is preparing a new defensive position aimed at the evacuation of Luzon thru Aparri.  I think what you are seeing is preparation for a staged withdrawal from Manila.  A couple of turns will tell.

Nice to get Bangkok on the cheap, but sorry you did not nab the lot and put them behind contina wire.  As for the superstack in junglegrad, that is quite a show.  Surrender you fools!  Live to rebuild Japan.  Oh wait...they will comeback to life in Japan soon enough.  Oh well they will resemble zombies in their ability to fight when they do come back....at a cost:)!


Hey princep!

I had actually not considered a withdrawal. That would be...interesting! If he does I will unleash the tanks and park the CV fleet outside Northern Luzon! None shall pass! Eeehr I mean escape!

He keeps shock attacking each turn with about 10k losses per day but no message of destroyed units yet. Seems they are a but unwilling to die for the emperor!


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" ...Oh well they will resemble zombies in their ability to fight when they do come back....at a cost:)! ... "


I am very curious to follow the effect of strat bombing on supplies within the home islands and the rebuilding of units. I am thinking that forces are going to intersect producing a supply crises of sorts ...




I´m note sure I understand what you mean by supply crises? Care to explain to a dimwit?

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RE: 1945! - 10/27/2013 7:22:23 PM   
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quote:

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" ...Oh well they will resemble zombies in their ability to fight when they do come back....at a cost:)! ... "


I am very curious to follow the effect of strat bombing on supplies within the home islands and the rebuilding of units. I am thinking that forces are going to intersect producing a supply crises of sorts ...




I´m note sure I understand what you mean by supply crises? Care to explain to a dimwit?


It is my understanding that Strat bombing consumes supplies along with doing damage. I do know that rebuilding new IJ ID's takes supply. It has been my limited experience that the gathering of units needing supplies that consume supplies like units taking on reinforcements -- produce a positive feedback of sorts and start drawing more supplies to that location. For example, I have rebuilt Commonwealth units in Karachi in my games not realizing that supplies started to gather there rather than permeate elsewhere needed ...


I am proposing that suddenly buying out multiple ID's destroyed in the huge IJ Malay stack and setting replacements on... is going to create a not so subtle supply draw on Tokyo most likely,[unless they move elsewhere] and that combined with strat bombing I might suggest is going to create some odd supply redistribution effects on the home islands. Like supplies moving toward Tokyo away from the places that are currently loading/storing supplies. (Multiple new units needing supplies will start that part of the algorithm up) Now I also postulate that the IJ has to move supplies to its perimeter in order to support fighting right now in PI, Southeast Asia, and China .. with supplies also going out to places like Iwo Jima ...

I might suspect that that will create a crisis where less supplies are in the periphery and a bunch are gathered at Tokyo where you are Strat bombing consuming supplies ... to me after a few turns it would be a crisis of sorts ..

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RE: 1945! - 10/27/2013 9:29:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

quote:

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces


quote:

" ...Oh well they will resemble zombies in their ability to fight when they do come back....at a cost:)! ... "


I am very curious to follow the effect of strat bombing on supplies within the home islands and the rebuilding of units. I am thinking that forces are going to intersect producing a supply crises of sorts ...




I´m note sure I understand what you mean by supply crises? Care to explain to a dimwit?


It is my understanding that Strat bombing consumes supplies along with doing damage. I do know that rebuilding new IJ ID's takes supply. It has been my limited experience that the gathering of units needing supplies that consume supplies like units taking on reinforcements -- produce a positive feedback of sorts and start drawing more supplies to that location. For example, I have rebuilt Commonwealth units in Karachi in my games not realizing that supplies started to gather there rather than permeate elsewhere needed ...


I am proposing that suddenly buying out multiple ID's destroyed in the huge IJ Malay stack and setting replacements on... is going to create a not so subtle supply draw on Tokyo most likely,[unless they move elsewhere] and that combined with strat bombing I might suggest is going to create some odd supply redistribution effects on the home islands. Like supplies moving toward Tokyo away from the places that are currently loading/storing supplies. (Multiple new units needing supplies will start that part of the algorithm up) Now I also postulate that the IJ has to move supplies to its perimeter in order to support fighting right now in PI, Southeast Asia, and China .. with supplies also going out to places like Iwo Jima ...

I might suspect that that will create a crisis where less supplies are in the periphery and a bunch are gathered at Tokyo where you are Strat bombing consuming supplies ... to me after a few turns it would be a crisis of sorts ..


Ah, I see! Kind of like how the allies have it in China. If you turn on replacements...wham. No more supply. Hehe, a very good point indeed. One I hope Erik doesn´t think about!

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RE: 1945! - 10/27/2013 10:08:47 PM   
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12th-13th January -45
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Erik and I managed 4 turns today. Not bad.


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South China Sea
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Well, I don´t think I´ll have that CV battle I wanted. On the 12th a stray grace strike revealed our true strength.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Cam Ranh Bay at 65,76

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 107 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 3

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 89
Corsair IV x 19
Hellcat I x 8
Seafire IIC x 14
Seafire L.III x 2
F4U-1A Corsair x 165
F4U-1D Corsair x 196
F6F-3 Hellcat x 231
F6F-5 Hellcat x 44


Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses


I guess that 750 plane CAP is a bit discouraging. I also managed to mess up my setting a bit and had a strike take off on the 13th. They hit the CAP at Saigon but did better then expected!

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Saigon at 60,71

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 14
A7M2 Sam x 9
J2M3 Jack x 6
J2M5 Jack x 33
N1K1-J George x 7
N1K2-J George x 23
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 10
Ki-84a Frank x 50
Ki-84r Frank x 70
Ki-100-I Tony x 89


Allied aircraft
Hellcat I x 24
F6F-3 Hellcat x 293
F6F-5 Hellcat x 172

SB2C-3 Helldiver x 53


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hellcat I: 3 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 12 destroyed, 6 damaged


Japanese Ships
TK Nissyo Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
TK Goyo Maru
TK Tatekawa Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
E Hirashima, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
TK Gen'yo Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
E Ishizaki


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Saigon at 60,71

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 12
A7M2 Sam x 9
J2M3 Jack x 5
J2M5 Jack x 32
N1K1-J George x 6
N1K2-J George x 22
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 10
Ki-84a Frank x 46
Ki-84r Frank x 69
Ki-100-I Tony x 88


Allied aircraft
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 22
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 28


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 10 destroyed, 1 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 7 destroyed


Japanese Ships
2, heavy fires




Looks like Erik railed out all the radars and with the CAP up high not many fighters had time to intercept. This reveals the true strength of the fleet though. KB disappeared on the 13th. Probably heading back towards the HI. I´m going to detach a CVE TF to the DEI while the rest of the fleet stays put outside Saigon. Pretty soon I hope there is going to be 3 division + some stuck there and this time there won´t be a Naval evacuation.

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DEI
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I grab another base in the Celebes. Another base is also under siege but my units need to rest fatigue. With a CVE TF on its way I can really speed things up here. A assault ship detachment will follow with a bunch of LSTs and xAKs.

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Luzon
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B29s strike Manila again to keep the fires burning. I want to try and burn any supply I can. Next DA is 3-4 days out. Troops are recovering well. But so is the Japs.

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Indochina
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I decided to not waste any time going around the crossing. I´ll go straight over. 4300 AV should blast a hole. With Bangkok open I could rebase some bombers there. They got some good hits on the defenders. To help with the crossing I also set the armor to attack again. Its a bit suicidal but I hope to mess the defenders up a bit more in preparation of the crossing in two days.





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RE: 1945! - 10/28/2013 12:53:02 AM   
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Joc, I appauld you're willingness to push hard and fast for Vinh.  I feel he has probably already railed many of the troops he pulled out of Bangkok on to Hanoi, but cutting that rail escape line will be very valuable in entrapping another large army in southern Vietnam.  Too bad there are so few bases along that rail line as he might fail to garrison one strongly.  A Chindit/para air assault on a lightly defended base (Tourane) on the rail line might pay dividends.  I'd do some recon on the bases along that line and see if one fits the bill for an air assault.

There are TFs at Hanoi.  Do you think he is gathering an armada of lift to pull troops out from there?  Maybe a Heavy Bomber strike on the port at Hanoi could slow things down.  Given the huge CAP at Saigon, he might be caught with a light CAP at Hanoi.

Also, I am curious.  Did he pull troops out of Manila as I suspected? 

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RE: 1945! - 10/28/2013 2:17:10 AM   
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I would still have a supply TF in the Philippines ready to go across the SCS with at least 500k worth to feed the hungry army of your in the greater IndoChina area. As soon as you get a decent size port, I would escort it over.

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RE: 1945! - 10/28/2013 6:20:54 AM   
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princep, Thanks! I just wish I would have gotten there earlier. Sadly Erik has secured all the bases with at least a BDE sized unit. Throw in a couple of forts and its rock solid.

I think the shipping at Hanoi is shipping escaped from DEI/Singers/Saigon. He might try to lift them out as you suggest. I hadn´t thought of that! I won´t allow any troops to sail towards Luzon/Formosa. If he want them there he is going to have to walk them further east first. Thanks for the ideas. I´m going to shift the CV fleet further North to close the sealanes. Problem right now is that I need to cover Saigon too. He has 130 ships in the port there that I want to sink.

I havn´t gotten the last turn back, only the replay so I don´t know if he has pulled out of Manila yet.

Michael, As soon as I get a base on the coast I´ll send in supply. I promise!

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RE: 1945! - 10/28/2013 12:06:52 PM   
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14th January -45
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I havn´t gotten the turn file yet so this is based only on the replay. It was a turn of discoveries!


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Luzon
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Erik has placed some CD guns at Bataan. They blew our PTs and minesweepers out of the water. Not really sure how to deal with this. Can´t bomb from the air and can´t risk heavy guns to the mines still in place. Hmm...

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Saigon
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Crap, lots of mines here too. And I didn´t bring any DMS with me. 4 Fletchers hits mines. None sink. Usually they only need a few days to patch up SYS damage. In return we sunk an AMC. Whooptidoo.

And thats about it. No more happened this turn.

This baby arrives in two days. Not really sure what do do with her. I don´t really have a need for a supersized CA/Mini BB at this point. Probably going to stick her with the fast CVs as a AA platform.




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RE: 1945! - 10/28/2013 12:49:31 PM   
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Here is screen of the troops. While FAT/DIS may look bad they were almost 3 times as bad just a few days ago. I think we will be able to attack again in 2 turns. I´ll then have about 5 days to rest after that before the 3 additional divisions arrive together with another 250 AV Engineer RGT. By then I can hopefully also add the 24th ID that got mauled in the first attack. So I might be able to add about 2000 AV for that attack.

EDIT: Put in the troops the day after the attack for comparison.







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RE: 1945! - 10/28/2013 6:42:49 PM   
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This baby arrives in two days. Not really sure what do do with her. I don´t really have a need for a supersized CA/Mini BB at this point. Probably going to stick her with the fast CVs as a AA platform.





May as well. She's got a nice AA value. Pretty sure this was her designed role anyway, or at least what she ended up doing historically.

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RE: 1945! - 10/28/2013 7:19:06 PM   
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According to Wikipedia she was designed to battle the oversized Japanese and German Cruisers. Guess they arrived a little late for that!

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RE: 1945! - 10/28/2013 7:34:55 PM   
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What would have been the chances of actually encountering one of the ships she was designed to counter? Those were awfully big oceans to hunt. Neither the Germans nor the Japanese would have been too keen to engage in combat with anything of Alaska's class, they had a hard enough time with the Fletcher class destroyers that would have been her escorts.

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RE: 1945! - 10/28/2013 7:35:27 PM   
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The Americans thought the Japanese were building something similar...in the end, they were white elephants & the resources put into designing and building them could have been put to use building at least two Essex-class CVs for each CB built (plus aircraft).

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RE: 1945! - 10/28/2013 7:46:26 PM   
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They actually considered converting (during construction) the Alaskas to CVs but disregarded the idea because of the weak underwater armor. Instead they used the Hulls of Clevelands and converted them to Independence CVLs.

Wikipedia knowledge so its probably not entirely accurate.

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RE: 1945! - 10/28/2013 7:59:52 PM   
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@Joc - the Cleveland's predated the CBs by quite a bit, and it took forever to design them (the Navy experimented with several configurations of their main gun armaments, which took a lot of time).....they served mostly as CV escorts and shore bombardment - not a real fair trade, if you ask me.

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RE: 1945! - 10/28/2013 8:03:05 PM   
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No not really fair at all. They deserved better as it was a good design. But I guess they also didn´t have much to shoot at once they started arriving.

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RE: 1945! - 10/28/2013 9:32:58 PM   
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14th January -45 (Cont.)
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So now that I got the turn file and sent it back to Erik there are some things to update. Good things too!

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Saigon
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Well, my little stunt worked. Looks like I managed to turn that defeat in to a victory! As can be seen in the screen US troops have entered Saigon thus preventing anything to rail out! 75.000 troops are now "stuck" in and around Saigon. There is a small chance that Erik can kick me out but I highly doubt it. Three US IDs are pretty formidable at this stage.

I saw the opportunity a few days ago when I noticed just how fast my IDs move in the clear hexes when in move mode. So I simply rushed them in figuring Erik needed 3 days to get into strat mode and then another to get out. And it worked.

What this brought me was what I needed most. Time! Erik now has to walk East to Cam Rahn Bay before he can get on the rail. By that time I will surely have cut the rail around Vinh thus forming a pocket out of the entire peninsula. I really needed this. Felt really good to turn a Allied debacle into a Japanese one!

Finally some good news!

Also spotted a big tanker TF just outside Saigon. Can Erik be that bold? Fletchers (with embedded DMS this time) will check it out tonight.

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Thailand
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I´m preparing for the cut off by sending 2 divisions to Ubon. They will move towards Hue and then start mop ops working south from there. Once Hue is secured I have 460.000 supply convoy ready to go. The US troops and the Indian division will hop back on to the rail and go to Udon Thani and walk to Vinh meeting up with the rest of the troops. The Chinese will be left to deal with the Japanese. Wonder where Erik will make his stand. Probably Saigon as he has over 100 ships at anchor there. I´ll rail down the arty from the superstack to help out.

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KB
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Found it this turn again huddling just NE of Formosa. I have considered a fast CV strike towards it but ruled it out. It gains me nothing even if I was successful.






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Question on rivercrossings.

If I cross with 4300 AV and already have 400 AV on the other side. Shouldn´t that trigger a shock attack? Isn´t it 1/3rd of own AV minimum to avoid the shock attack?

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Question on rivercrossings.


My understanding is no shock attack if you have 1/3rd of the enemy AV in the hex that has crossed through that hexside and is still in the hex.

However, I have not had shock attacks when I expected them and had them when I did not so I may be misunderstanding some aspect of the rule.

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RE: 1945! - 10/29/2013 10:15:45 AM   
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Question on rivercrossings.


My understanding is no shock attack if you have 1/3rd of the enemy AV in the hex that has crossed through that hexside and is still in the hex.

However, I have not had shock attacks when I expected them and had them when I did not so I may be misunderstanding some aspect of the rule.


Ah, so its the own and enemy AV already in the hex that decides shock attack or not? And it has nothing to do with the actual AV that is crossing crossing?

At least in this case it would seem to be correct. We have about the same AV in the hex I´m crossing into.

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RE: 1945! - 10/29/2013 11:35:54 AM   
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Again the only action is in and around the South China Sea

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Saigon
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I sent in a Fletcher TFs with some DMS embedded to try and avoid the mines. I did avoid the mines but Erik had some CD guns at Saigon that ripped my poor DMS to shreds. Same problem as I have at Bataan. Mines and CD guns in combination. I don´t know how to counter this. Any ideas?

We did find some nice targets though!

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saigon at 60,71, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E W-19, Shell hits 1
E W-27
E W-34
SC Ch 1
SC Ch 3
TK Kyokuyo Maru
TK Tonan Maru #2
TK Tonan Maru #3, Shell hits 12, heavy fires
AV Canberra Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
TK Matsushima Maru
TK Munakata Maru, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Amato Maru, Shell hits 16, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Palembang Maru, Shell hits 11, heavy fires
TK Ryoei Maru, Shell hits 8, heavy fires


Allied Ships
DD Hudson
DD Ingersoll
DD Richard P. Leary, Shell hits 1
DD Leutze
DMS Wasmuth, Shell hits 1
DMS Macomb
DMS Elliot
DD Walke II
DD Laffey II
DD O' Brien II
DD Ingraham II
DD Barton II


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Saigon at 60,71, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E W-19
E W-27, Shell hits 1
E W-34, Shell hits 6, on fire
SC Ch 1
SC Ch 3, Shell hits 2
TK Kyokuyo Maru, Shell hits 7, heavy fires
TK Tonan Maru #2, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
AV Canberra Maru, Shell hits 5, on fire
TK Matsushima Maru, Shell hits 4, heavy fires


Allied Ships
DD Hudson
DD Ingersoll
DD Richard P. Leary
DD Leutze, Shell hits 1
DMS Elliot, Shell hits 1
DD Walke II
DD Laffey II
DD O' Brien II




Almost every hit resulted in a "oil cargo burning" message. I guess thats a death sentence to any tanker.

Sadly the DMS decided to start sweeping mines between the first and second attack.

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TF 127 encounters mine field at Saigon (60,71) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

143 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DMS Elliot, Shell hits 3, on fire
DMS Macomb, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
DMS Wasmuth, Shell hits 13, heavy fires, heavy damage


Cape St.Jaques Fortress firing at DMS Elliot
DMS Elliot firing at Cape St.Jaques Fortress
Cape St.Jaques Fortress firing at DMS Macomb
DMS Macomb firing at Cape St.Jaques Fortress
Cape St.Jaques Fortress firing at DMS Wasmuth
18 mines cleared


Only the Elliott survives the CD fire. Dang!

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Indochina
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As indicated in a post earlier the crossing towards Vihn did not result in a shock attack. Good news. The road to Vinh should be opened tomorrow!

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Luzon
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Troops has recover almost completely. But I decided to wait one more turn for the FAT drop into single digits. AV is now up to 3932.

I don´t know if it was intentional or not but two Kami strikes flew against the shipping at Batangas (1 hex outside Manila). They flew unescorted and only in two raids. Only 4 manage to get through the CAP.

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Batangas at 79,78

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 31

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 36
P-38L Lightning x 24
P-51D Mustang x 160
F4U-1D Corsair x 24


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 10 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed by flak


No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DE Lawrence

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-43-IIIa Oscar flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Batangas at 79,78

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 148 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-61-Id Tony x 46

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 35
P-38L Lightning x 22
P-51D Mustang x 159
F4U-1D Corsair x 24


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-61-Id Tony: 16 destroyed



75 Oscars and Tonys are reported shot down or crashed.


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Superstack
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Erik again launched an attack. This time a DA. Still no units destroyed!

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Ground combat at 55,59 (near Tavoy)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 59335 troops, 928 guns, 1700 vehicles, Assault Value = 158

Defending force 50719 troops, 696 guns, 414 vehicles, Assault Value = 1405

Japanese adjusted assault: 1

Allied adjusted defense: 8167

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 8167

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3520 casualties reported
Squads: 186 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 196 disabled
Engineers: 30 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 32 (23 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 44 (6 destroyed, 38 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
114 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled





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