Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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If recon tells you there are 30,000 men on that island there will be 15,000-20,000 at best...

I've never noticed that - where did you get that idea?

from playing? pure playing experience , it's always less than recon tells you. Then you count the number of units (which recon usually is excellent at) and you get an estimation.

Example: recon says 50,000 troops at at base, 8 units. Ok, I'd guess roughly 30,000 troops really there, 1 division, couple of AA units (depending on how my air attacks look like), a HQ perhaps, some base forces and constr. units. So that would then come down to 400-500 av at best (depending on which IJ div is there as they range from 300-400+ av). Ok, I'll need three US Inf divs plus armor and support and the base will easily fall. Rinse and repeat.

Of course you can always use smart bombs and identify each and every unit at the target by sending in a couple of hundred bombers on ground attack. The way the game works noone should ever be surprised what the enemy really has at a target when it comes down to combat capable LCU because they would all show up during air attacks.

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Pre-Invasion action off Naha (95,66) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

803 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Colorado, Shell hits 3
BB Maryland
CL Phoenix, Shell hits 2
CL St. Louis
DD Perkins, Shell hits 1
DD O'Brien
DD Hammann, Shell hits 1
DD Satterlee
AKA Oberon, Shell hits 1, on fire
AKA Torrence
APA President Polk
DD Downes

Japanese ground losses:
79 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
274 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 41 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

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Ground combat at Naha (95,66)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 9272 troops, 195 guns, 72 vehicles, Assault Value = 370

Defending force 140122 troops, 2287 guns, 3404 vehicles, Assault Value = 4999

Japanese ground losses:
435 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 44 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
15th Ind.Mixed Regiment
108th/B Division
Yokosuka 1st SNLF
108th/A Division
108th/C Division
100th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
27th Ind. AA Battalion
91st Field AA Battalion
19th JAAF Base Force
26th RF Gun Battalion
100th Field AA Battalion
19th RF Gun Battalion
80th Field AA Battalion
81st Field AA Battalion
5th Medium Mortar Battalion
44th IMB Artillery Battalion
32nd Army
1st Machine Cannon AA Battalion
79th Field AA Battalion
42nd Air Defense AA Battalion
Nansei Shoto JNAF Base Force
46th Air Defense AA Battalion
26th Air Flotilla
Okinawa Naval Base Force
51st JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
671th Tank Destroyer Battalion
38th Infantry Div /8
3rd NZ Armoured Sqn
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
1st Marine Division
XIV Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
716th Tank Battalion
77th Infantry Division
37th Infantry Div /9
192nd Tank Battalion
I Corps Cmbt Engr Rgt /5
93rd Infantry Div /10
31st Infantry Division
1st USMC Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
32nd Infantry Div /9
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
4th Marine Div /8
24th Infantry Div /8
225th Field Artillery Battalion
Southwest Pacific
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XI US Corps /1
III US Amphib Corps
Sixth US Army
3rd USMC Air Wing Base Force
I US Corps
2nd RAA Jungle Regiment
205th Field Artillery Battalion
9th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XI Corps Artillery
XIV US Corps
16th NZ AA Bde /6

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

My friends just moved to Woodbridge. The Calvert Woodley store I mentioned earlier is in NW DC, on Connecticut Ave. I'll ask them if there's a good beer shop nearby, but I kind of doubt it...

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Sub attack near Taihoku at 89,63

Japanese Ships
CV Unryu, Torpedo hits 1
BB Kongo
CLAA Natori
DD Shimozuki
DD Hamanami
DD Okinami
DD Makinami
DD Akigumo

Allied Ships
SS Razorback, hits 3

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Sub attack near Iriomote at 89,64

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Torpedo hits 2
BB Mutsu
DD Kiyoshimo
DD Asashimo

Allied Ships
SS Sealion II, hits 2, heavy damage

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ishigaki at 91,71

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 67
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 55

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Akikaze
DD Okikaze
DD Hokaze, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Sawakaze, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

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Ground combat at Naha (95,66)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 122885 troops, 2122 guns, 3063 vehicles, Assault Value = 5078

Defending force 20942 troops, 584 guns, 215 vehicles, Assault Value = 331

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied adjusted assault: 5460

Japanese adjusted defense: 213

Allied assault odds: 25 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied forces CAPTURE Naha !!!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 5 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 8 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 14 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 5 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 4 destroyed
B6N2a Jill: 3 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4571 casualties reported
Squads: 151 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 462 destroyed, 286 disabled
Engineers: 127 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 281 (165 destroyed, 116 disabled)
Vehicles lost 135 (129 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Units retreated 20

Allied ground losses:
1080 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 87 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 57 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
Guns lost 40 (2 destroyed, 38 disabled)
Vehicles lost 75 (16 destroyed, 59 disabled)

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ORIGINAL: Speedy

Personally I would go for option 1. The main aim is to get Okinawa up and running and to begin to dominate the local region. If you get that accomplished the Empire (what's left of it) is in peril. As you say the KB is an annoying inconvenience. Nothing more If you can I'd get the CV's in a position so they're covering your support forces BUT they're able to attack the KB is he stays put/advances.

My 2p.

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Something worrying is revealed when I open the turn though. Supply is in the RED?! When I check the base only 23.000 supply is listed in the base. Before the attack I have 69.800! This is the second time this happens! Is this a bug that I should report to michealm?

With 23.000 supply but the actual base in red will I be able to fly CAP?

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ORIGINAL: koniu
You still be able to fly CAP as long as You have supplies in base.
Base in Red mean that You have below 100% requirements of all units in hex. Yellow mean that You have below 200% requirements(200% is required to use drop tanks etc) Tomorrow it should be be yellow or without color because today You was attacking.

Usually japanise ID(not know about allies) have normal requirement of ~1200 tons, supply, but after attack i next turn it is ~2500 tons. Tomorrow total base requirement for supplies will back to normal.

As for supplies level, some where us to attack, some where destroyed because You was not owner of base and was treated like dot base for You, many where drained by LCUs because after attack they jump double supply requirements after attack, if You look and LCU they should be in wite but have 2500k supplies or more instead of ~1200.

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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If recon tells you there are 30,000 men on that island there will be 15,000-20,000 at best...

I've never noticed that - where did you get that idea?

from playing? pure playing experience , it's always less than recon tells you. Then you count the number of units (which recon usually is excellent at) and you get an estimation.

Example: recon says 50,000 troops at at base, 8 units. Ok, I'd guess roughly 30,000 troops really there, 1 division, couple of AA units (depending on how my air attacks look like), a HQ perhaps, some base forces and constr. units. So that would then come down to 400-500 av at best (depending on which IJ div is there as they range from 300-400+ av). Ok, I'll need three US Inf divs plus armor and support and the base will easily fall. Rinse and repeat.

Of course you can always use smart bombs and identify each and every unit at the target by sending in a couple of hundred bombers on ground attack. The way the game works noone should ever be surprised what the enemy really has at a target when it comes down to combat capable LCU because they would all show up during air attacks.

That's not my experience at all. In fact, until recon has run for several days with good DL, I have found the opposite - recon says 5,000 and when you get there you find 12,000!

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ORIGINAL: castor troy
lol! Of course you need a good DL but how hard is that to achieve? All my targets have DL 9 or 10, from end 42 I have at least two dozen recon flights per phase minimum and every base is well reconned. With good recon (I wouldn't expect anything else than good recon to be honest) it is exactly how I described and always has been that way.

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Ground combat at 71,56 (near Lang Son)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 224287 troops, 4249 guns, 5020 vehicles, Assault Value = 8601

Defending force 114447 troops, 1108 guns, 577 vehicles, Assault Value = 3711

Allied adjusted assault: 4152

Japanese adjusted defense: 8917

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
6330 casualties reported
Squads: 47 destroyed, 505 disabled
Non Combat: 21 destroyed, 242 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 83 disabled
Guns lost 262 (50 destroyed, 212 disabled)
Vehicles lost 69 (13 destroyed, 56 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
13433 casualties reported
Squads: 91 destroyed, 1132 disabled
Non Combat: 28 destroyed, 488 disabled
Engineers: 34 destroyed, 541 disabled
Guns lost 191 (24 destroyed, 167 disabled)
Vehicles lost 455 (35 destroyed, 420 disabled)[

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Speedy wrote:

Personally I would go for option 1. The main aim is to get Okinawa up and running and to begin to dominate the local region. If you get that accomplished the Empire (what's left of it) is in peril. As you say the KB is an annoying inconvenience. Nothing more If you can I'd get the CV's in a position so they're covering your support forces BUT they're able to attack the KB is he stays put/advances.

My 2p.

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Palembang - its only a size 4 port, so Japan can only use those small to medium capacity TKs to load fuel quickly. This raid should end attempts to get any fuel out and run your blockade by going through the South China Sea.

Okinawa - I agree with the need to take bases in this area and bring in your air force. Erik would have to attack with both KB and LBA to try to slow you down. Is he willing to risk KB?

Good Luck here sir!!

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

The blockade also means a continuous drain on fuel with the choice of feeding HI/LI or fleet actions.
I think it is great he is running around BB's consuming fuel

Just to reinforce his thoughts:

Even though you are not playing for points .. I might have the equation in mind that you need to sink twice as many points in any engagement. Thus not engaging his KB and letting them burn fuel might be a more positive expected
value than exchanging CV's/CVE's. Plus you got the IJ to sail into the middle of a bees nest of submarines ...

I think supply will be the IJ's downfall in China. Each attack is absorbing more supply,
and over time just like the Allies in 1942 ... there is resistance then things eventually collapse...

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

In my uneducated opinion ... The main crux at this point is supply. Historically, the IJ were out of planes and pilots but that is not going to happen in this game. However, everything in this game takes supply, including refilling squadrons, replacements, etc. More so, a minimal level of supply of 20,000 in many cases. China offers the opportunity to exploit this weakness.

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

Clynelish 1992 / 16 Year Old / Cask #5871

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Morning Air attack on Naha , at 95,66

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 108 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 36
Ki-67-Ib Peggy x 23
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 80

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 10 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-5A Catalina: 5 damaged

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 24
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 59

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Morning Air attack on 104th Division, at 67,44 , near Paoshan

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 58
Liberator GR.VI x 27
B-17E Fortress x 10
B-17F Fortress x 10
B-24D Liberator x 6
B-24D1 Liberator x 11
B-24J Liberator x 73

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
552 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

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Ground combat at 71,56 (near Lang Son)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 10565 troops, 676 guns, 768 vehicles, Assault Value = 5953

Defending force 108544 troops, 1075 guns, 570 vehicles, Assault Value = 3196

Japanese ground losses:
715 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 42 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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ORIGINAL: JeffK

Some different thoughts, I would have gone for the KB, once its sunk or disabled you have one less problem to worry about. Until then you have to provide heavy support to anything you plan.

What does your recon say about the rest of the Ryukyu chain, any islands capable of a decent airfield and have only a small garrison?

Has Daito Shoto got much of a garrison, should be easy pickings.

The islands of the tip of Kyushu, again an with rebuild potential, no garrison and in range of an airborne assault???

I'm not a China fan, but it does provide a diversion to use your troops and absorb IJA units far better used back in the Home Islands, but use that sledgehammer you landed on Okinawa to smash and grab.