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ORIGINAL: stringue


I feel that you have a captive audience of people that love this particular genre and as they unfortunately have no(?) alternative games within the genre, that you can elevate the price knowing that they will pay over the odds for their fix, which is a shame because people outside the genre with a passing interest won't.

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ORIGINAL: thewood1

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ORIGINAL: dutchman55555

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ORIGINAL: thewood1

So you never answered my question...is the $95 for CMBN inaccessible?

So $65 plus the $10 upgrade is $75...only $5 cheaper than Command. So either you aren't going to buy anymore CMBN modules, or you will end up spending more than on Command. Even if MG discounts to $25 in a year, that is still more than Command will ever be totaled up.

I am totally confused by your logic. Even after 4 years if they discount to CMSF levels, your most likely still talking $65-$70. Not only that, BFC charged for an upgrade, something some people are fired up that it might be a possibility with Command.

You're confused that I continue to buy additional parts of an ever-expanding series (when they reach a price point I find acceptable), as opposed to a single purchase product with a price I find awe-inspiring?

There is a philosophy, held by many even within the Matrix community, that the higher Matrix prices things, the more sales they lose, and the more people they scare away from the hobby. And pricing a new release at $90 absolutely guarantees that anyone who is entertaining the idea of entering the PC wargaming hobby will take a pass. And left with the impression that the hobby is that expensive, they will most likely walk away for good.

So what if COmmand came out in three pieces scattered over three years. Better. You prefer waiting 2-3 years to complete the game like CMBN?

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ORIGINAL: thewood1

SO I doublechecked...in US $ to be consistent.

Original CMBN - $55, Original CW module - $35, Upgrade to 2.0 - $10, MG module - $35 = $145 if bought within three to six months of release

Bundles - As much as you can bundle right now $95...in today's US $

CMBN was discounted specifically when the 2.0 update came out.

So again, I'll point out one more time. Command - $80 US, CMBN full up with bundles today - $95 US, Bought on each product release $145 US

CMBN total at release $145 > CMBN today bundles - $95 > Command on release $80

Doesn't matter what currency you use, CMBN bought as each module released is almost twice as much as Command. I am going to go over to the BFC forum and see if I see where you complained about pricing there.

CMBN does have MP so maybe that justified the extra $65 on release.

edit...btw, it took BFC almost 10 years to lower the prices on CMBO. It took them almost 4 years to discount CMSF.

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ORIGINAL: thewood1

I think its been done with two products, one of them community-drive(WITP AE). The other Harpoon, which was a damned mess from the start.

Again, do you agree with the logic on the pricing, separating out your future predictions of re-releasing Command?

If they had released Cold War at $55, and then charged $35 in nine months?

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ORIGINAL: thewood1
You do realize this is how businesses work, right? Charge what the market will bear. Now if it ends up being a ghost town here in three weeks, the market has spoken. I have only seen one buyer say they were disappointed.

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ORIGINAL: thewood1

SO there is the real point isn't it. Matrix releases it at $60 and maybe, maybe you'd consider buying it. Suddenly it is not as clear cut. So instead of us waiting an extra nine months, or Cold War being released nine months ago at $60 and we now pay $35 for modern, we get both for $80 now. So are you waiting on the discount for MG or are you buying day 1? You know it will be $35 and I assume you bought all the other CMBN stuff...so you must be out at least $95, and maybe as much as $145. Where is the post to BFC about the cost of playing CMBN?

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ORIGINAL: Alchenar
There's been precisely ****-all attempt to actually market this game outside of this site and wargamer.com. The fact is that before we even start to talk about quality or price, Matrix haven't even done the bare minimum due diligence to try to bring attention to the game to a wider audience.

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ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

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ORIGINAL: thewood1

Again, do you agree with the logic on the pricing, separating out your future predictions of re-releasing Command?

If they had released Cold War at $55, and then charged $35 in nine months?

Also note that BFC made you buy CM all over again, even if you bought all the CM1s...not even a discount. I think it was the right thing to do, but still had the same title. Even Wargame European Escalation did this. It is about to happen to Achtung Panzer as well with its new release. I agree with all of them.

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ORIGINAL: thewood1

I am hoping to pay more than $80. That means they have continued development. Again, you are spending more on CMBN than this game. Do it the same way. Put $20US in a jar each month and pretend Command was never released. After 4 months, you have your game. But if other games interest you more, that is the point. This game is not marketed towards anyone but hardcore people. You are obviously not one of them.

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ORIGINAL: delenda


You've completely priced out a large group of your customer base. I'd be shocked if there weren't any dodgy copies floating around within a week that the majority of your potential customers will use instead. Your 'niche genre' customers are being punished the most.

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ORIGINAL: aluminumx

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ORIGINAL: delenda


You've completely priced out a large group of your customer base. I'd be shocked if there weren't any dodgy copies floating around within a week that the majority of your potential customers will use instead. Your 'niche genre' customers are being punished the most.

**** EDITED - ANY DISCUSSION OF PIRACY IN ANY FORM IS NOT PERMITTED ****

But let me play the devil's advocate here. I am guessing matrix is choosing to stick with what works for them. This may mean far less money. While a lower price may be more like a risk or gambling in their eyes. And it is. They would need to rely big time on more people will buy it for less. And they may feel uncomfortable with thay. After all they are Nirvana big gaming Corporation .

With that said. By my count, I find about 4 people who say they won't buy the game, for everyone who says they have or will soon. If such a 4:1 ratio represents over all sales, then is really bad. And represents a larger chunk of potential revenue, that now they won't be getting. That could have been something like $240,000 (at a lower price) vs $90,000 (current price).

But again let me play devil's advocate. They could be under contract and need a immediate boost to income (as lower pricing can mean slow start for revenue growth , seeing big numbers) to cover an agreed upon payment at, such and such date.

In the end, this bickering is not going to do any good. Matrix seems to made up it's mind. Besides it their company and pocket but. So the way I see it. Let them do what ever they want.

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In the end, this bickering is not going to do any good. Matrix seems to made up it's mind. Besides it their company and pocket but. So the way I see it. Let them do what ever they want.

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ORIGINAL: CoffeeMug

The argument, that the right price point curbs software theft, does not hold water. People having rooted their iphones steal apps worth one USD! So you want to tell us, that you wont use pirate software if the game costs 50 USD and not 80 USD?

Sceptical dog is sceptical.

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ORIGINAL: Abbeville_01


sorry, Im not sure but will ask anyway, was your reply intended to me? If you did, I never spoke about piracy, I was speaking strictly about companies making profit with products they sale. If they do not sale, that encourages not other companies to further develop softwares like this one. Just that.

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there is already a copy floating around in a few select Retroshare swarms. That means it is only a matter of time before it's on the big P2P's and anyone can get it. So now, they created a situation where, many who would have gladly paid for it. That is if it was cheaper, will now just play for free. I wonder if that was part of their revenue generating plan.

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ORIGINAL: wombat778

My 2c, I have no problem at all paying this sort of price for a high quality, deep simulation. For example, I quite happily paid $115 for SB Pro PE, $89 for the PMDG 777, and $69 for the PMDG 737. Similarly, I have a policy of buying all the DCS modules, regardless of whether I actually am interested in the content (probably have several hundred sunk into that so far). Personally, I would MUCH rather pay even double those amounts and get simulations of that quality every few years than pay $39 or $49 and get a watered down product or have the developer go out of business after one release.

The key for me is that the product be a true high-quality simulation (e.g., deep modeling, expert input, significant research, polished design, etc.). For example, the PMDG 777 simulates the fluid dynamics of the hydraulics system, thousands of electrical connections, etc., such that when a failure occurs they have the same cascading effects as they would in the real airplane. It comes with thousands of pages of documentation (essentially the complete actual 777 manuals). This is the kind of simulation and attention to detail that I expect for the premium price.

As it stands, I am not yet sure whether Command is there. Having bought it last night and spending about an hour with it, I am not sure that I am "feeling" the depth and rigorous attention to detail yet. I need more time with it to come to a conclusion.

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ORIGINAL: CoffeeMug

The argument, that the right price point curbs software theft, does not hold water. People having rooted their iphones steal apps worth one USD! So you want to tell us, that you wont use pirate software if the game costs 50 USD and not 80 USD?

Sceptical dog is sceptical.