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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 11/29/2014 4:15:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I found an error with #888 (CVN 65 Enterprise 1967-1975), CWDB build 418.

The AN/SPS-12 2D air search radar is missing. It's in the 1962-67 and 1975 versions of the ship so I assume it got dropped accidentally.

The only book I have that covers that time period is "USS Enterprise" by Dave McKay (2013). In that book the SPS-12 is mentioned as being removed in the 1980 refit.

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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 11/30/2014 4:52:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		#269 - Phantom II FG.1
#3046 - Phantom II FG.1

Royal Navy Phantoms had no internal guns, and according to DB entry they have none, yet they actually have #405 - 20mm/85 M61A1 in a mount named: 20mm SUU-23A gun pod. If they carry a loadout with a gunpod, they have even 2 guns.


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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 11/30/2014 8:13:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		From my own notes and tables compiled by years (regretably without sources now):

F-4K/FG.1 Phantom in Royal Navy service (1968-1978, from 1978 transferred to RAF). 28 planes delivered to RN and 20 to RAF:
- No external gunpod.
- No Sky Flash, only AIM-7E2 Sparrow III.
- Initially AIM-9D Sidewinder, later (from 1970?) with AIM-9G with Sidewinder Expanded Mode (not in all planes).
- RWR only from 1973.

F-4M/FGR.2 Phantom in RAF service (1968-1992). 120 planes delivered:
- SUU-23 external gunpod.
- Initially AIM-7E2 Sparrow III, later Sky Flash from 1978.
- Initially AIM-9D Sidewinder, later (from 1970?) with AIM-9G with Sidewinder Expanded Mode.
- AIM-9L Sidewinder from 1988.
- 1xMk57 Project E (American nuclear bomb, but perhaps only employed by Nimrod).
- Some 30 modified to employ central reconnaissance pod with 5xcameras, RS-700 IR linescan and EMI P391 SLAR. Pod employed 1970-1976, replaced in service by Jaguar with a similar but smaller pod.
- Matra 155M 68mm rockets pods.
- BL755 600 lb. cluster bombs.
- 500 and 1000 lb dumb bombs.
- I'm not sure now about the RWR installation date, probably also from 1973.



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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 11/30/2014 8:56:31 PM   
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Thanks guys!

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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/1/2014 9:51:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pmsteinm

I found an error with #888 (CVN 65 Enterprise 1967-1975), CWDB build 418.

The AN/SPS-12 2D air search radar is missing. It's in the 1962-67 and 1975 versions of the ship so I assume it got dropped accidentally.

The only book I have that covers that time period is "USS Enterprise" by Dave McKay (2013). In that book the SPS-12 is mentioned as being removed in the 1980 refit.



From "Conway's all the world's fighting ships 1947-1995" (1996, ISBN: 9781557501325):
SPS-12 was added in 1968 and "her massive fixed radar removed" in the 1980 refit.

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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/6/2014 6:42:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Confusion regarding Norwegian Storm Class boats, we have 3 Entrys under P 960:

#1006 - P 960 Sleipner - An accidental copy of #1007 - F 310 Sleipner ?? If so please delete it.

#640 - P 960 Storm - Seems alright, early version before adding Penguins, right?

#855 - P 960 Storm - Newer version with Penguin, however the norwegian wiki page mentions 6 instead of 4 missile boxes, but on the other hand i could find pictures with both 4 and 6.

http://www.aftenbladet.no/migration_catalog/article1802109.ece/BINARY/w380/ver2+MTB

http://www.s46-fuchs.net/storm_klasse.jpg

http://www.regjeringen.no/upload/kilde/fd/nyh/2002/0064/ddd/hfig/165587-storm.jpg

and 4

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/79810093.jpg


Did they use both? Was there a later variant with only 4?



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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/6/2014 11:53:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		#1614 - Sea King HAS.1
#3097 - Sea King HAS.1
#1636 - SH-3A Sea King
#217 - SH-3A Sea King

Maritime Surveillance Ready Time (Surge) 6 hours, whereas ready times for contemporary Sea Kings is 3-4 hours, does it take longer to load nothing then to load torpedoes?


#3019 - Sea King Mk47 [HAS.1]
#2929 - Sea King Mk45 [HAS.1]
#3018 - Sea King Mk45 [HAS.1]
#2927 - Sea King S-61A-1

You may want to add Maritime Surveillance loadout.



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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/7/2014 12:14:33 PM   
VIF2NE

 

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1. #1259 Pr.61M
wrong: MG-312 Titan. correct: MGK-335 Platina

2. #694 Pr.61
wrong: MGK-335 Platina. correct: MG-312 Titan

3. #1262 Pr.56
wrong: MGK-335 Platina. correct: PEGAS-2

4. #696 Pr.1134A
wrong: MGK-335 Platina. correct: MG-312 Titan

5. #717 #2009 Pr.1143
correct sonar: Orion -hull, Platina -VDS

6. #696 #1894 Pr.1135 (1970-1978)
correct sonar: Titan-2 -hull, Vega -VDS

7. Pr. 11352, 11353 (1978)
correct sonar: Zvezda M1 -hull,VDS

8. #700 Pr.1135M (1976)
correct sonar: Titan-2T -hull, Vega -VDS

9. #695 Pr.1134
correct sonar: Titan-2, Vychegda

10. #1893 Pr.1134B
correct sonar: Titan-2T -hull, Vega -VDS

12 #1272 #1910 Pr.204
correct sonar: Gas-372 Hercules only

13. #157 Pr.1159 1951?????? first ship 1975y

14. #1270 #110 #1877 Pr.159
correct sonar: Titan, Vychegda only

15. BPK Kashin Mod [Pr.61M]
correct sonar: Bull Nose (MGK-335 Platina) Hull and VDS

16. SKR Mirka II [Pr.35M]
correct sonar: MGK-335MS Platina

17. #1001268 - SKR Mirka I [Pr.35]
correct sonar: Titan

18. #1001270 - SKR Petya I [Pr.159]
correct sonar: Titan, Vychegda only

19. #1001270 - SKR Petya I [Pr.159]
#1001481 - SKR Petya I [Pr.159]
correct sonar: Titan

20. PL-611 Zulu

passive sonar: Feniks
active sonar: Tamir-5LS
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-204.html

21. #1000243 - PL-641 Foxtrot

1958Y-1971Y are reversed 641 and 641B?
- Passive sonar MG-10 "Kola"
- Active-passive sonar MG-200 "Arktika-M" (located in the lower bow of the hull);
- Station detecting sonar signals MG-13 / MH-13M "Light-M"

http://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataSubmarine?ID=1000243
http://www.deepstorm.ru/DeepStorm.files/45-92/dts/641/list.htm


22. PL-641B Tango [Som]

1971Y -1982Y
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-208.html
http://www.deepstorm.ru/DeepStorm.files/45-92/dts/641b/list.htm


Combat Information Control System (CICS) MVU-110M "Uzel" (first time on diesel submarines in the Russian Navy),

including an automated fire control systems "Wolfram."

- Sonar MGK-400 "Rubicon" / SHARK TEETH, designed SRI-3 (later - CSRI "Morphyspribor", St. Petersburg) on the basis of

CIM-300. The system includes, besides digital processors acoustic signal processing, control panel. instrumentation

interface, power supply systems, instrumentation and communication systems to ensure work, the following passive and

active station:
- Sonar MG-10M "Arktika-M" / SHARK TEETH - the main passive antenna (in the forward part of the submarine) with

separate radiating antenna and the antenna radiating sound conductivity connection is made in titanium.
The number of elements of the receiving antenna - 1008 pcs
Number ray emitter (in active mode) - 540
The area of the working sector antenna - 7.5 m
Detection range in passive mode - 16-20 km (submarine) and 60-80 km (ships)
Range of target tracking in active mode - 16-20 km
The range of underwater communication and data transfer - 20-25 km and 60-80 km (depending on mode)
- Sonar MG-23 (underwater communication and identification)
- Sonar determining the speed of sound in water
- Sonar detection of enemy sonar MT-70
- Sonar "Arfa-T" or "Arfa-M"

23. PL- 613 Whiskey

Hydroacoustic equipment.

According to the project on a submarine is set as the newest equipment - active-passive sonar "Tameer-5L", put into

service in 1945, and in connection with the planned unavailability of samples - sonar "Mars-24KIG" accepted into service

in 1943.

When upgrading sonar "Tameer-5L" replaces sonar "Pluton" and "Mars-24KIG" - sonar "Phoenix", developed in 1957.

The station "Phoenix" was created specifically for the project 613 submarines, had a circular antenna of 132's sensor

installed since 1957, and during repairs additional bulb fairing under niches torpedo tubes. When upgrading to 60s

hydroacoustic equipment replaced SAS "Cola" with automatic target tracking and "Aldan" automatic circular scanning with

the correlation signal processing.

Electronic equipment and communications.

Electronic weapons of the project consisted of: Radar detection of surface targets "Flag", electronic intelligence

station VAN, pelengator RPN-47-03.

Communication provides a set of radio stations: LW-receiver R-672, HF-transmitter "Briz", HF-transmitter "Dolphin", the

HF receiver "Purga-45", R-670 receiver, VHF station "Reid"


http://www.submarines.narod.ru/Subprojekt/5_613_0.html
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-203.html

24. # 1000403 - PL-633RV
# 1000457 - PL-613 Whiskey Single Cylinder
These boats were in one copy. They are not fighting only for experimentation.


25. PL-633 Romeo

http://www.navy.su/navysub1945/633/text/633.htm
Radar "Flag" by 56 destroyer project: submerged submarine - 120 cab (22.2 km).

Search station "Nakat" by destroyer pr.30-bis ("C-350" under the periscope) in the station "Rif" - 150 cab (27.8 km);

at station "Zalp" - 220 cab (40.7 km); However, the aircraft with radar ("C-350" on the surface) 252-300 cab (46,6-55,5

km);

Sonar "Arktika-M":

a) on the cruiser pr.68 walking at a speed of 20 knots, while maneuvering the submarine at a depth of 50 m at a speed

of 12.5 knots, range passive in auto accompaniment - 125 cab (23.15 km), active range (measuring range) - 41 cab (7.6

km);

b) destroyer pr.56 going at the speed of 20 knots, while maneuvering the submarine at a depth of 80 m at a speed of 5.5

knots, passive finding - 100 cab (18.5 km), active range - 29 cab (5, 4 km).

#1000401 - PL-613V Whiskey V

Unlike the basic project - increase fuel capacity by 60 tons (of 212 tons)
Radar - Albatros
Sonar - Plutonium (Active-Only Mine Avoidance) + Feniks

1963 was converted 27 submarines.

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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/7/2014 5:14:28 PM   
deepdive

 

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Status: offline 		I belive the reason early Hauk class carried 6 Penguins, was that they carried the Mk1 until Mk2 was
introduced in 1982 and that it was such improvement in tecnology, they mounted
only 4.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penguin_(missile) (translated)


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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/7/2014 7:01:41 PM   
Broncepulido

 

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Status: offline 		it's mention of up to 6xPenguin Mk2 missiles from the start (and no mention to Penguin Mk1, but Penguin Mk2 was introduced later than when in 1977 was comisiones the first Hauk boat) in:
- Jane's 1981-1982.
- Jane's 2004-2005.
- Conway's 1947-1995.
- Small Craft Navies, by Christopher Chant, Arms and Armour Press 1992.

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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/7/2014 7:52:32 PM   
deepdive

 

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Status: offline 		http://www.himmelfallen.info/w/b7lp5qb5xpkqqk0r.html Historie og utvikling

På bakgrunn av de gode erfaringene man hadde med Terne (våpen) hadde Forsvarets forskningsinstitutt (FFI) tatt for seg nok et missilprogram. Der hvor Terne var til bruk mot ubåter, skulle det nye prosjektet løse utfordringene med å engasjere overflatemål. På denne tiden, altså slutten av 1950-tallet, planla Sjøforsvaret en småbåtmarine basert på motortorpedobåter (MTBer). Klassen som var på tegnebrettet, Storm-klassen, var bestykket med en 75 mm tårnkanon, noe som ga beskjeden virkning i større overflatemål. Sjøforsvaret anmodet i 1959 FFI ved forskningsleder Hans Chr. Christensen om å ta fram en løsning med et autonomt rakettvåpen, og studien fikk kodenavnet ''FIX'' og ble ledet av forsker Nils Grøholdt. Studien var starten til Penguin-prosjektet, som dro i gang i 1961.
KVs ingeniører ble tatt med på utviklingsprosjektet på et tidlig tidspunkt. Praktiske hensyn som å lage produksjonsunderlag og å bygge opp produksjonslinjer kom da tidlig i gang. Et tett samarbeid eksisterte mellom de to partene og Sjøforsvaret ved kapteinløytnant Nils Bro som Marinens prosjektleder. To helt nye fagområder for både FFI og KV ble utforsket, nemlig elektrooptikk i forbindelse med IR-søkeren og treghetsnavigasjon.
Penguin endte opp som et passivt heimende missil med infrarød søker. Oppbygningen var fra tupp til hale slik: 1) infrarød målsøker; 2) gassdrevet styreservo; 3) høydemåler basert på infrarød laser; 4) navigasjonsmodul; 5) stridshode med brannrør; 6) rakettmotor for fluktfasen (gangmotor); 7) rakettmotor for utskytningsfasen (startmotor). Vinger foran, såkalte canardfinner, sørget for styringen, og vinger bak stabiliserte i flukten.
Fil:Seahawk-penguin.jpg
Utviklingsprogrammet til det som ble hetende Penguin Mk 1 ble avsluttet i 1972, og 20 båter av Storm-klassen, seks MTBer av Snøgg-klassen og fem fregatter av Oslo-klassen ble bestykket med Penguin, og dessuten ble noen få systemer levert den tyrkiske marinen. Allerede før Mk 1 var ferdigutviklet ble programmet for Mk 2, nemlig i 1970. KV fikk her en større rolle i utviklingsarbeidet, og en ny søkermodul ble tatt fram og raketten ellers ble digital elektronikk. Missilet fikk nå muligheter til taktisk manøvrering under flukten. Mk 2 ble standardbevæpning på Hauk-klassen fra 1982. Mk 2 ble solgt både til den svenske og greske marine.
I perioden 1979 til ble Penguin Mk 2 kvalifisert for United States Navy. Et nytte produkt ble tatt fram på bakgrunn av det vellykkede prosjektet, og navnet ble Mk 2 Mod 7. Denne ble basert på Mk 3, som var under utvikling i samme periode. Prosjektet gikk fra 1984 til 1990, og ga betydelige leveranser til US Navy. Mk 3 kom på samme tiden, og var tatt fram for å brukes på Luftforsvarets F-16. Startmotoren ble sløyfet, missilet fikk lengre rekkevidde og muligheten for mer sofistikerte manøvre.
Det vellykkede samarbeidet med FFI hadde gitt opphavet til en ny modell for samarbeid mellom forskningsinstitutt og industri, og Sjøforsvaret og andre fornøyde kunder gjorde at KV gjennom sine arvtagere kunne satse videre på sjømålsmissiler med det mer avanserte Naval Strike Missile.

Referanser

Litteratur

Skogen, Erling (red.), Forsvarets forskningsinstitutt: ''Penguin – en målsøkende rakett mot skip'' (http://www.ffi.no/no/Publikasjoner/Documents/FFIs-historie-nr22.pdf Fra Forsvarets forskningsinstitutts historie, nummer 22 (PDF))

Eksterne lenker

http://www.mil.no/multimedia/archive/00085/FFIs-historie-nr22_85889a.pdf Penguin historie fra Forsvarets forskningsinstitutt
http://www.mil.no/start/article.jhtml?articleID=102763 Mil.no: Traff innertier
Kategori:Missiler
Kategori:Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace
cs:Penguin
de:AGM-119 Penguin
en:Penguin (missile)
es:Penguin
hr:Pingvin (projektil)
it:Kongsberg Penguin
he:פינגווין (טיל)
lv:Penguin (raķete)
hu:AGM–119 Penguin
ja:ペンギン (ミサイル)
pl:Penguin
ru:Penguin (ракета)
fi:Penguin
sv:Pingvin (robot)
tr:Penguin
vi:AGM-119 Penguin
zh:AGM-119企鵝反艦飛彈

To add to the confusion, Mk1 Mod5 was still in "service" up to the year 2003.

Bjørn

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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/7/2014 9:14:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Apparently from the text only were installed Penguin Mk2 (as standard weapon) in Hauk-class, and only from 1982. Perhaps Hauk-class was without missiles in 1977-1981.

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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/7/2014 10:09:43 PM   
deepdive

 

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Status: offline 		Mk2 launcher box was sligthly bigger than Mk1 launcher box it is almost impossible to tell them apart unless your on deck, and as i remember it you could load an Mk1 Penguin in an Mk2 box but not the other way around, so i belive those first Hauk`s had 6 Mk1 boxes installed and as Mk2 got availible in enough numbers, they where changed to 4 Mk2`s.

Rumors has it that Israel recieved several missiles, both Mk1 and Mk2, but that would be illigal according to Norwegian export law, but it could explain why there wasn`t enough Mk2 in Norway before 1982

Note that those Mk1`s where upgraded trough time so i belive that the only difference between an
Mk1 Mod5 and an Mk2 Mod 5 is range.

Bjørn

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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/9/2014 8:42:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		#1624 CA 124 Rochester United States Navy 1944-1953 is listed as a category carrier (aviation ship), and shows up on-map as a carrier icon.

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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/10/2014 6:56:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		At some point in the future, could we see more amphibious vehicles added to the DB? I'm reading about/doing a scenario on Korean War amphibious landings and I'm keenly missing the various LVTs, DUKWs and even rocket-firing LSMs. I could provide all the DB info you'd need on all of these, but I suspect you've got access to the same resources I have. I'm happy to do it if it'll help, though.

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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/10/2014 8:12:13 PM   
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RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/10/2014 8:59:12 PM   
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Hi there,

let's have a look at the Super Étendard.

Sources:
- "AMD Étendard, Super-Étendard" (1982), Alain Pelletier, ISBN 978-2858825660.
- "Dassault Super Étendard, Les matériels de l'armée de l'air et de l'aéronavale n°10" (2010), Frédéric Lert, ISBN: 978-2352501756.
- "Dassault Super Etendard, Serie Aeronaval Nro.22" (2006), Jorge Félix Núñez Padin, ISBN: None.
- "UCC AN 105 - Manuel Pilote Super Etendard" (1978, revised 1991), Service Central de l'Aéronautique Navale.
- http://www.anciens-cols-bleus.net/
- http://www.checksix-forums.com/ Various fine people actually in the forces.
- http://www.dassault-aviation.com/fr/passion/avions/dassault-militaires/super-etendard/
- http://www.ffaa.net/aircraft/super-etendard/super-etendard_fr.htm
- http://www.netmarine.net/
- http://www.snecma.com/-military-engines-.html
- http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/decouverte/equipements-moyens-materiel-militaire/aeronefs/super-etendard-modernise



  • #1000521 - 625 liter Drop Tank

    There's no "625 liter Drop Tank" on Super Étendard, that was on the Étendard. There is a 600 liter centerline fuel tank ("RP 24" with 480 kg of fuel) and a 595 liter underwing fuel tank ("RP 1 SE" giving 476 kg of fuel).

    Thus I suggest to:
    - duplicate "#1001598 - 600 liter Drop Tank", name it "600 liter Drop Tank (RP 24)" and set its Fuel quantity to 480 kg;
    - duplicate "#1001598 - 600 liter Drop Tank", name it "595 liter Drop Tank (RP 1 SE)" and set its Fuel quantity to 476 kg.

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  • #1002942 - Super Etendard -- France (Navy), 1979 (CWDB)


    General Data:
    - Empty Weight: 6605 (with pilot, w/o pilot it's 6510, unsure what is the standard in the DB).
    - Max Weight: 11 900 (max T/O weight from carrier).

    Sensors: delete the "Spirale" DECM, none of my sources mention any internal DECM solution.

    Mounts:
    Unsurprisngly to any early european jets enthusiast, the Super Étendard's internal two DEFA 552 30 mm cannons actually are mounted onto a gun pack ("Châssis canon" in French parlance) hosting them and their ammunition, as you see can on that neat picture:
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Chassis_canon_Super_%C3%89tendard.jpg

    To make room for electronic goodies it ofen have to be removed, as you can see in that documentary describing how the emblematic Exocet loadout is being prepared:
    http://youtu.be/5dHsYhuXeZw?t=28m30s (pay attention at 28:38 and 29:10)


    Thus, I do suggest to:
    - delete "30mm DEFA 552 x 2 (125 rnds x 2)" from all variants' mounts;
    - clone "#1001304 - 30mm DEFA 552 x 2 Burst [50 rnds]", to give that new version 250 rounds (125 per gun) and set its weight to 356 kg (which is its fully loaded mass, while it's 237 kg without rounds. All figures are from Mirage 5 BA manual U-1-M5BA, "partie Planche", sheet 1-121).

    Loadouts:
    - Edit all loadouts where you do have 2 "625 liter Drop Tank" to have the "595 liter Drop Tank (RP 1 SE)" you just created instead.
    - Edit all loadouts where you do have 1 "625 liter Drop Tank" to have the "600 liter Drop Tank (RP 24)" you just created instead.
    - "(Ferry)": add the new 30mm DEFA 552 gun pack (with its 250 rounds).(C2 loadout per the manual).
    - "A/A: R.550 Magic": delete the "625 liter Drop Tank", add the new 30mm DEFA 552 gun pack (with its 250 rounds). (I1 loadout per the manual).
    - "AM.39 Exocet", add a couple of optional "#1000037 - R.550 Magic 1" (loadout "AS5" from the manual). http://www.aerohispanoblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/e988a1da2.jpg
    - edit "SNEB 68mm Rockets" to have the new "30mm DEFA 552 gun pack" (with its 250 rounds), 2 new "595 liter Drop Tank (RP 1 SE)" and 36 "#1000310 - SNEB 68mm Rocket" (2 launchers of 18 rockets each).(loadout AP5 in the manual. http://www.ffaa.net/aircraft/super-etendard/images/super-etendard-0092.jpg http://i22.servimg.com/u/f22/11/70/61/26/sue110.jpg)
    - edit "SNEB 68mm Rockets, Short-Range" to have the new "30mm DEFA 552 gun pack" (with its 250 rounds) and 72 "#1000310 - SNEB 68mm Rocket" (4 launchers of 18 rockets each). (loadout AP1 in the manual.)
    - create a loadout with the new "30mm DEFA 552 gun pack" (with its 250 rounds), 2 "#1001394 - 1100 liter Drop Tank" and 36 "#1000310 - SNEB 68mm Rocket" (2 launchers of 18 rockets each). (loadout AP3 in the manual. http://pmm-belfort.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/800px-Super_%C3%89tendard_launching_from_Foch_R99_off_Lebanon_1983.jpeg)
    - edit "T.25 250kg GPB" loadout to have 4 "#1001393 - T.25 250kg GPB" bombs, 2 new "595 liter Drop Tank (RP 1 SE)" plus the new "30mm DEFA 552 gun pack" (with its 250 rounds). (loadout A5 in the manual. http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/17/41/08/60/parkin11.jpg)
    - edit "T.25 250kg GPB, Short-Range" loadout to have 6 "#1001393 - T.25 250kg GPB" bombs plus the new "30mm DEFA 552 gun pack" (with its 250 rounds). (loadout A6 in the manual.)
    - to "T.200 400kg GPB" loadout, add the new "30mm DEFA 552 gun pack" (with its 250 rounds). (loadout A4 in the manual.)
    - to "T.200 400kg GPB", Short-Range" loadout, add the new "30mm DEFA 552 gun pack" (with its 250 rounds). (loadout A1 in the manual.)

    Propulsion:
    - Engine name: "Snecma ATAR 8K50" (http://i.gyazo.com/7a2adf82adfa6c5861ce8ec0ad577a73.png)
    - Military Static Thrust at S/L: 4844 (4750 daN).
    - Afterburner Static Thrust at S/L: 0 (doesn't have AB).
    - Military Static SFC at S/L: 1.77 (was 2 kg/h/kg).
    - Specific fuel flow with full AB: 0 (doesn't have AB).

    It simply is a non-afterburning version of Mirage's Atar 9k50.

    - Ceiling: 45 000 ft

    Fuel: Quantity: 2598 kg (3247 l @0.8kg/l)


    That's it.


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    Some DB related questions (so I can formulate my suggestions better):
    - do the loadouts have an ID # and, if so, where one can get it?
    - are you able to edit several loadout at once or you do have to edit one loadout at a time?
    - are you able to clone/duplicate loadouts or you have to create a loadout from scratch?
    - do you name the loadouts yourself or the name is generated automatically from its content?

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    RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/10/2014 9:37:02 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: .Sirius

    Hi Rocket fitted LCM's are in the DB ID 607 Ill work on the rest


    My bad - I was looking for them under the United States subheading, not generic.

    As for LVTs, I'd like to see the following models (used past 1946):

    LVT-4/Buffalo IV (not sure if the Brits used their 20mm versions beyond WWII)
    LVT-3 (and/or improved LVT-3C)
    LVT(A)-5 amphibious tank with 75mm gun. Used by Nationalist China and the PLA as well (with some modifications). France too?
    LVTP-5 (used in Vietnam, still used by the Philippines)
    LVTH-6 with 105mm howitzer



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    RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/17/2014 3:50:27 PM   
    hellfish6


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    Status: offline     		I can't find Chinese SAM systems (specifically the HQ-1/2 series). Is this another case where I just can't find them in the DB?

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    RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/18/2014 4:44:55 AM   
    HudsonGame


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    Status: offline     		I want to thank you for adding HMS Hood. By the way, she was a battlecruiser. Anyway, thank you very much.

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    RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/18/2014 9:37:14 PM   
    hellfish6


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    Status: offline     		I'd like to request an entry for the Roberts-class monitors of the RN (HMS Roberts and HMS Abercrombie). I have all the specs if you need them. Since they were used as training and barracks ships after the war this is obviously low-priority, but they weren't actually scrapped until '55 at the earliest. I'd kinda like to play with them (a Suez or Korea what-if). They're such interesting ships.

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    RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/19/2014 11:58:35 AM   
    .Sirius


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    Status: offline     		Hi thanks and noted I've the specs already for that class and its on the thing's to do list
    quote:

    ORIGINAL: hellfish6

    I'd like to request an entry for the Roberts-class monitors of the RN (HMS Roberts and HMS Abercrombie). I have all the specs if you need them. Since they were used as training and barracks ships after the war this is obviously low-priority, but they weren't actually scrapped until '55 at the earliest. I'd kinda like to play with them (a Suez or Korea what-if). They're such interesting ships.



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    RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/23/2014 12:30:07 AM   
    MaxManus81

     

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    Status: offline     		Great update, but found a few things that I would like to report.

    Leahy class cruiser, the 1967-72 (#781) got the RIM-2F Terrier, but reverts to RIM-2E with the 1972-76 (#76) version. Same goes for the Decatur class destroyer. The 1972-75 version (#768) is ment to have RIM-24 Tartar (described as such in the DB viewer), but armed with RIM-66 Standard. It reverts to RIM-24 on the 1975-82 version (#769).

    Also all RIM-2D Terrier missiles in US ship magazines are the conventional version(#669), despite loadouts of the magazines (2-4 missiles per ship) make me believe they should be the nuclear tipped version(#1088). Same goes for the De Zeven Provincien class when armed with RIM-2 and Andrea Doria class when armed with the RIM-2E.

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    RE: CWDB 1946-1979 with certain WW2 Platform Additions - 12/28/2014 7:06:49 PM   
    Coiler12

     

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    Status: offline     		Not the biggest or most important, since I can add the launchers to a normal Alfa in the editor, but the Project 705A Alfa SSGN mod would be interesting.

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    German Uboat guns - 12/29/2014 7:41:18 PM   
    poosd

     

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    Status: offline     		Hello,
    I submitted a previous request about correcting the U-boats guns (or lack thereof) some time ago and got a response
    from .Sirius stating that it was received.

    (the "quote" below is a brief excerpt from that email).

    Mean time, I was trying to do a work around and add a mount and weapon to the database entry for the VIIC entry
    (the 8.8cm SK C/35 Naval gun) when I discovered that there is no Weapon entry for a 8.8cm (88mm) SK C/35 Naval gun.
    There is one 88mm gun listed but I don't believe that it is accurate for the type VII boat.
    I didn't check to see if there is a Weapon entry for the 10.5 cm (4.1 in) SK L/45 deck gun for the Type IXB boat.
    If I'm overlooking these weapons in the CWDB Weapons, would someone direct me to them.

    Thanks,
    Dean

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: poosd - edited

    Came across this while dealing with the Generic German U-boat listing in the CWDB

    Missing U Boat guns. Below from Wikipedia...
    Type VIIC. 1(2? fore and aft of conning tower) × 8.8 cm SK C/35 naval gun with 220 rounds, various antiaircraft weaponry (2 cm (0.79 in)anti-aircraft guns.
    Perhaps the most famous VIIC boat was U-96, featured in the movie Das Boot."

    "Type IXB.
    10.5 cm (4.1 in) SK L/45 deck gun with 180 rounds on a Utof mount.
    The last piece of armament that the Type IXB submarines were equipped with were the standard 2 cm (0.79 in)
    anti-aircraft guns.

    Just found the same for the Type XXI (CWDB Database #464).
    Info from Wikipedia.
    Armament (Guns): 4 x 2 cm (0.8 in) anti-aircraft guns (*guns are not listed in entry for #464 in db).


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    RE: German Uboat guns - 12/30/2014 5:23:15 AM   
    MR_BURNS2


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    Status: offline     		#3516 - P-3B Orion

    Question regarding sonobuoy loadout. Virtually every other P-3 variant in the CWDB carries 100 passive buoy´s and 40 active, while this one carries 40 and 40.

    DB error or actual historical loadout?

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    RE: German Uboat guns - 12/30/2014 6:17:09 AM   
    Broncepulido

     

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    Status: offline     		Part of the problem is sonobuoy size.
    In Western standards:
    A-Size =1
    A-Strech = 1 + longer lenght.
    B-Size = 1 + bigger diameter.
    G-Size =1/2 x A (half lenght than A-Size)(Denominated A/2 size in France).
    F-Size =1/3 X A (one third of lenght than A-Size)(Denominated A/3 size in France).

    I think the common values of 84-87 in P-3 are referred to A-Size.
    For years working on a sonobuoys table, but the data are very scarce.

    As idea of reduction in size, the Soviet RGB-N Iva (1955) was of 45 kg weight, and later with the same performances the RGB-NM Chinara (1961) was of only 15 Kg weight.

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    RE: German Uboat guns - 12/30/2014 9:06:38 AM   
    pjcoia

     

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    Status: offline     		How about the US Sentinel system with the relevant ABMs? Not operational long, but impressive hardware.

    PC

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    RE: German Uboat guns - 1/3/2015 12:58:32 AM   
    RyanCrierie


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    Status: offline     		Request name change of #3105 YF-12A to F-12B; as that was the production version; with 93 being ordered by Congress, but effectively cancelled by McNamara; who impounded the funds appropriated by Congress and didn't release them.

    The USAF planned on eventually getting 100 built and using this amount to support 6 squadrons of 16 x F-12Bs, with three on the east coast and three on the west coast at the following locations:

    EAST COAST:
    Otis AFB (Cape Cod, MA) (3 x Squadrons)

    WEST COAST:
    Paine AFB (Everett, WA) (3 x Squadrons)





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    RE: German Uboat guns - 1/3/2015 2:18:50 AM   
    RyanCrierie


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    Status: offline     		Aircraft #3118 XF-108 Rapier has several incorrect statistics:

    0.) The title says : "XF-108 Rapier -- United States (Navy) when it was a USAF project. :-P

    Second, if it had entered service, it would have been designed F-108A.

    1.) The amount of fuel is listed as 11,115 kg; when according to primary source documents:

    F-108A SAC (12 June 1959)
    http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/F-108A_Rapier_SAC_-_12_June_1959.pdf

    The F-108 carried 7,109 gallons of JP-6 at 6.55 lb/gal = 46,563.95 lbs = 21,121.1 kg.

    2.) The F-108 never carried 20mm cannons.
    Given that the program was cancelled on 23 September 1959; the 12 June 1959 SAC previously linked should be regarded as 'definite'.

    That primary source document lists nothing for Rockets, Guns, or Bombs; but only 3 x GAR-9 (AIM-47).

    3.) The F-108 would have carried Nuclear Falcon -- while at the National Archives II in 2009; I found several photographs of the F-108 Mockup circa early 1959.

    The Revelant photo is this one of the F-108's Fire Control Operator Station:

    http://www.tboverse.us/HPCAFORUM/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=419&mode=view

    Lower Left Panel. Look at ARMAMENT SELECTOR.

    Notice how one selection says HE and another says SPL.

    SPL is "Special", which was an euphemism for nuclear weapons back then.

    4.) It appears you have put the SFC for the J93 in english units instead of the metric that the game engine calls for.

    I've found sources that say the J93 had a SFC of 0.7 lb/lbf/hr in dry and 1.8 lb/lbf/hr in reheat; which lines up almost exactly with the in game stats of 0.8 kg/h/kg (dry) and 1.9 kg/h/hr (wet).

    5.) Climb rate is given as 4,320 fpm (average) and 12,970 fpm (instanteous); when in the 1959 SAC; it's given as variously:

    Rate of Climb at SL: 32,600 fpm (Takeoff Weight)
    Max Rate of Climb at SL: 44,000 fpm (Combat Weight)

    6.) The Range profile for Loadout #7577 (3 x AIM-47A) is given as: 135 minutes at 150 nautical mile intercept radius. Outbound at 36,000 feet and military power, return at 36,000 feet and cruise. No Form up time. 10% reserves.

    In reality (as seen on the SAC); the intercept radiuses for the F-108 ranged from 350~ nm.i to 1,000 n.mi; and the 36,000 ft altitude is when the F-108 'stepped up' from military power to minimum reheat to accelerate to maximum cruising speeds and altitudes.

    As it is, 'stock' XF-108 in CWDB; burns about 1380 kg/min of fuel at cruise altitude (70,000 ft) and cruise speed (Mach 3.08 or 1,770 kts); giving a fully loaded Rapier with 11,000 kg of fuel about eight minutes of flying time.

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