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RE: Where are the Panzer IIIs - 1/1/2014 11:36:04 PM

rmonical

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I don't know how you are calculating your numbers but with respect to the Panzer IIIj thru n, the total number of tanks on which game production is based is 4,219. Of these, 667 Panzer IIIs were in starting and reinforcement units for a balance of 3,552 to be produced. Due to the mechanics of the production system a net of 3,520 are actually produced. If you add the difference of 34 tanks from my calculations and Panzer Tracs plus the 32 short due to the way production is calculated in the game the net difference should only be 66 tanks.

I have the following from Panzer Tracts.
Total Pz III J and later production includes armed command tanks but not Flamm tanks: 4336. Difference from WITE design is +117 (4336-4219).
Panzer tracts shows 157 PzIII J produced through May 41 (143 + 14 armed command tanks). None of these are in the at start force.

The design is based on 667 at start and reinforcement. There are none at start and net reinforcements of 357.

The design ignores 227 PzIIIs that are in withdrawing units. The argument as to why these should be ignored remains incoherent. As of 7/1/43, the withdrawn Pz IIIs must be either in WITW or lost in Africa or have been returned to the East, as in the case of DR, LAH and Tot. I include my net reinforcement table again.

So the scenario design is based on too low production and a flawed method of accounting for reinforcements and withdrawals. I suspect the production model was built and the scenarios tweaked in various ways.

Using your method, I still count 310+117=427 missing Pz IIIs.
Using my method, I count 450. My recommended production model is the way to go.

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