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RE: Wake Falls - 2/14/2015 5:34:11 PM

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Egads, another nail biter of a turn...the suspense, the pressure, this game can be unbelievably good at points --- as we all know. Heck, it is my wedding anniversary today and Valentines day and my youngest son is swimming at High School championships (seeded 2nd in 500 yard) trying for an upset and qualify for States and I am really worried whether the Yamoto will make good their bombardment and getaway....and can my cruisers catch the Allied task force at Port Blair and Rangoon. I am so lame!

"Gee, honey what you thinking about on this big day" says the wife. "Um, err, the Yamoto...oh, you know, that Japanese dinner out all those years ago."

In the digital world Japan is:

Sweeping mines at Trinkat.
Bombarding Port Blair and Trinkat with super heavy BBs.
Racing to catch two Allied convoys at some significant risk.
Flying every fighter in Burma and area I can get my hands on.
Positioning more BBs at Trinkat for tomorrow.
Sending the Tone back to Singers for some slight repairs (rs forward torpedo tube damaged).
Racing reinforcements to the dirt road east of Chiang Mai.
Sending subs all over after the Allied convoys.

Praying!

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 2:35:41 AM

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September 30, 1943

No night bombing. I have a squadron of Emilies on night naval but they haven't flown yet. Maybe some month.

Here begins the lesson...to stabilize an area send in the heavies. Musashi and Yamoto are at Trinkat in separate task forces with a handful of destroyers each. Well, the Yamoto is short of Trinkat, closer to Sabang, so she will be tasked with bombarding the airfield at Car Nicobar.

The Mushashi and a light crusier escort will dash up to Port Blair to see what we discover. I had thought there was a good chance the Allies would simply vacate the area since they spotted the buildup at Trinkat last turn.

Shows what I know...the plan goes wrong halfway to Port Blair....the light cruisers come across two destroyers spoiling for a fight and are bested!

The Light Cruiser commander, a cautious type, decides with 22 system damage on one ship they did their duty and promptly turn around and head for Trinkat and hopefully safety!

As if anyplace is really safe with mines popping up like weeds.

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 2:39:22 AM

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Well, that leaves task force Musashi to soldier on alone to Port Blair and their commander isn't a shrinking violet. Far from it!

Just shy of Port Blair the IJN is surprised. Expecting a milk run and bombardment Allied cruisers rush to defend Port Blair and engage.

After bouncing a few hits off the Musashi, and one nasty hit on a destroyer, the IJN gets down to work landing some very large holes on almost every cruiser.

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 2:42:37 AM

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That was invigorating...and one side decides to engage again. This time the IJN isn't caught napping, and we leave some really big holes!

I assume this is the Musashi's doing, as all these ships were damaged just previously. The Sumatra is running scared with other undamaged ships. I have tons of night search up, and the Musashi has I think a 2 reaction range.

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 2:45:01 AM

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Well, if the Tone could have several engagements why can't a battleship. Look what is in the harbor, I bet they were scared!

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 2:46:57 AM

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The Yamoto vists Car Nicobar....

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 2:49:36 AM

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But now, Task Force Musashi is watching the sun climb, and down to one destroyer escort, as one destroyer ate a torpedo and sank, and two others detached when damaged.

Now they will all race for the relative safety of Trinkat....but Port Blair's airfield is full to bursting with planes.

But before they can even get away...more Allied ships spotted! Pity saved the Allied ships here...pity we ran out of ammunition!

During the end of the night phase all Allied shipping seems to be on alert, making way, reacting, retreating, quite a thing to see...some of it was due to a Cruiser force north of Mergui, and some due to the Musashi.

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 2:54:52 AM

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Finally, back at Trinkat the Musashi is subject to several air attacks and one large 70 plane Thunderbolt sweep from Port Blair. Pity she ran out of big ammo for the airfield, it would have been spectacular.

Luckily, the Japanese fighters are mostly up for the challenge until they get shredded like wheat when the jugs arrive.

Once the air raids are over...the Musashi takes stock. One destroyer lost, one wounded, for a heavy cruiser, a light cruiser a destroyer sunk and several small ships with several light cruisers going to need plenty of work!

A good day! 21 separate hits registered on the Musashi...must have been demoralizing having 8 inch shells bounce off like ping pong balls.

Look at the experience on the Musashi...I think she started the day a little lower!

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 2:57:09 AM

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The theatre of action:

Those two IJN Cruisers didn't follow instructions, but their presence caused all sorts of Allied shipping to get underway out of Rangoon, or in the area.

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 3:00:01 AM

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Here is the Musashi at Trinkat fighting off Allied air attacks. I think only three planes made it thru...

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 3:06:53 AM

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On the down side, the Allies bomb Sabang, and I only had one squadron of Georges on CAP (oversight I thought I had 4 squadrons of Georges must have missed the click

), and they get depleted fighting off the Lightning sweeps. I lose about twice as many planes as the Allies, but very few pilots.

Some inconclusive submarine encounters, and no mine hits, but more sprout all over the place. Weeds.

Do you get the feeling things are escalating around the Andamans? The 4th Inf is unloaded safely at Trinkat, Allied transports and kingfishers are shot down over Trinkat, and I think those paratroopers' days are numbered.

Plus Car Nicobar is not a healthy spot to be at with no forts and plenty of ships bombarding.

Can Japan keep the initiative?

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 3:13:45 AM

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I am glad I split up the the super heavies...whenever I see them paired up one ship seemingly never fights much, in this case that might have been good for the bombardment of Port Blair might have really hurt, but I will take the results I got.

A couple of lesser battleships and cruisers are at Trinkat to resume the fight...worried a little about that BB sighting north of Port Blair. I think Prince of Wales should still be in drydock, along with Ramillies. Who could it be?

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 6:48:42 AM

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Cool to see the Yamatos in action. Only seen them a couple of times in all my games.

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 8:39:38 AM

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Nice work.

I have experienced the same problem as well when I have paired them up :-)

Unfortunately I have found both to be torpedo magnets in 44 where they are just too large to avoid subs and destroyers. I think they are in their element when they are fighting Allied CAs with no torpedo capability.

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I am glad I split up the the super heavies...whenever I see them paired up one ship seemingly never fights much, in this case that might have been good for the bombardment of Port Blair might have really hurt, but I will take the results I got.

A couple of lesser battleships and cruisers are at Trinkat to resume the fight...worried a little about that BB sighting north of Port Blair. I think Prince of Wales should still be in drydock, along with Ramillies. Who could it be?

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 12:01:51 PM

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Valentine's Day Massacre!! Not as bad as what happened in Chicago decades ago, but at this point in the game you take what you can get. Your wife and family must be very understanding of your "AE addiction" to allow you to spend all this time taking and posting screen shots.

If I was your opponent, I would be sending some Flecthers over here to restore the balance. The British DDs are OK, but not what I want in surface combat.

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 12:57:15 PM

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Cool to see the Yamatos in action. Only seen them a couple of times in all my games.

Didn't you get to see them quite a lot toward the end of ours?

They're good ships once in the battle, but if they get any significant damage it's costly, and the repairs are loooooonng. This is why they weren't around more.

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 3:09:19 PM

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Cool to see the Yamatos in action. Only seen them a couple of times in all my games.

They're good ships once in the battle, but if they get any significant damage it's costly, and the repairs are loooooonng.

That's my take on the Yamato's, and the reason why they've yet to see combat. If any serious damage is going to keep them in the docks for the best part of a year, I want them to be lobbing shells at a target that's really worthwhile.

Part of my problem is that I don't really know what I want out of the Yamato's. I can't quite decide if they're for bombardment duties only, or if they should be used to whack the hoards of Allied DD/CL task forces. They're nigh untouchable to the guns of all but the biggest Allied ships, but a couple of torpedoes can put them in the yards for the best part of a year.

The Musashi's first engagement is the sort of stuff that keeps me from using the Yamato's actively: surprised at 3,000 yrds by Allied ships with working torpedoes...

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 3:18:53 PM

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Cool to see the Yamatos in action. Only seen them a couple of times in all my games.

Didn't you get to see them quite a lot toward the end of ours?

They're good ships once in the battle, but if they get any significant damage it's costly, and the repairs are loooooonng. This is why they weren't around more.

Yeah, but that was kind of bittersweet. First I got all the Iowas sent to the yards because of the AEs inability to handle movement properly and then you lost both Yamatos to the same thing.

Would have been a lot cooler to have them fight it out instead!

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 5:12:20 PM

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Nice work.

I have experienced the same problem as well when I have paired them up :-)

Unfortunately I have found both to be torpedo magnets in 44 where they are just too large to avoid subs and destroyers. I think they are in their element when they are fighting Allied CAs with no torpedo capability.

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I am glad I split up the the super heavies...whenever I see them paired up one ship seemingly never fights much, in this case that might have been good for the bombardment of Port Blair might have really hurt, but I will take the results I got.

A couple of lesser battleships and cruisers are at Trinkat to resume the fight...worried a little about that BB sighting north of Port Blair. I think Prince of Wales should still be in drydock, along with Ramillies. Who could it be?

It seems every battleship is a torpedo magnet...I was really worried as the Musashi kept losing screens, but thankfully the Allied subs were all between trinkat and sabang.

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 5:14:10 PM

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Valentine's Day Massacre!! Not as bad as what happened in Chicago decades ago, but at this point in the game you take what you can get. Your wife and family must be very understanding of your "AE addiction" to allow you to spend all this time taking and posting screen shots. If I was your opponent, I would be sending some Flecthers over here to restore the balance. The British DDs are OK, but not what I want in surface combat.

He has some Fletchers over here, the Tone group sank one the other day. He made the mistake of mixing the fletchers with British destroyers and I was able to get a torpedo into her.

All my sunk Fletchers have required torpedoes to put down.

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 5:16:32 PM

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Cool to see the Yamatos in action. Only seen them a couple of times in all my games.

They're good ships once in the battle, but if they get any significant damage it's costly, and the repairs are loooooonng.

That's my take on the Yamato's, and the reason why they've yet to see combat. If any serious damage is going to keep them in the docks for the best part of a year, I want them to be lobbing shells at a target that's really worthwhile.

Part of my problem is that I don't really know what I want out of the Yamato's. I can't quite decide if they're for bombardment duties only, or if they should be used to whack the hoards of Allied DD/CL task forces. They're nigh untouchable to the guns of all but the biggest Allied ships, but a couple of torpedoes can put them in the yards for the best part of a year.

The Musashi's first engagement is the sort of stuff that keeps me from using the Yamato's actively: surprised at 3,000 yrds by Allied ships with working torpedoes...

I am hoping that with a lot of screens and operating independently I can minimize the torpedo risk. No torpedoes went towards the Musashi in any encounter. I was more worried running the guantlet of Allied subs, and then returning as the Musashi was shedding escorts fast, and in fact ended up with only one.

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 5:17:44 PM

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Yeah, but that was kind of bittersweet. First I got all the Iowas sent to the yards because of the AEs inability to handle movement properly and then you lost both Yamatos to the same thing.

The game engine does it a lot. Bombardment task forces are just so chancy.

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 5:26:18 PM

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Celebrating the Anniversary today...wife is sick with cold so subdued.

Swim my son got 3 seconds and one first, exceeded his seed time in one event the rest were as seeded. Good showing cause he was sick. Next up League finals and then States which he looks like he will make unless he gets sicker.

Extra time to do the turn....Allied commander is flying cross country and his flight got bumped...no turn until Tuesday most likely.

I have decided to simply bombard Car Nicobar with Cruisers and pull back to the relative safety of Sabang and Phuket staging area for another push once the Yamoto and Musashi are reloaded. Musashi might be out, since I think I should repair the damage while it is relatively minor and not let it accumulate.

Swamping the Andamans to Rangoon with subs, and sub minefields. Maybe I can catch something.

Still no major indication of where the Allied tank army is heading, 2 British/Commonwealth units did head south down the dirt road...but no idea on the other 24 units.

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/15/2015 9:51:57 PM

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These ships are 1 vp each. They are kind of unpleasant as they can actually steam 2 hexes at cruise speed and make 17 hexes between stops.

The Allies are making plentiful use of them.

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/16/2015 1:00:49 AM

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Here is a closer look at two British ships now residing on the bottom -- I like the Fiji Class!

In the recent Musashi battles, I think the Kenya might be in trouble too. She took at least one 46cm hit, and several others. The Yamoto last year put down two British light cruisers with one hit so here is hoping!

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/17/2015 12:13:32 AM

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Here is a closer look at two British ships now residing on the bottom -- I like the Fiji Class!

In the recent Musashi battles, I think the Kenya might be in trouble too. She took at least one 46cm hit, and several others. The Yamoto last year put down two British light cruisers with one hit so here is hoping!

The 46cm shells are killers, but it depends where the Kenya was hit. If it went through the deck and you got "critical damage" or a likewise report, then the Kenya is in the yards for quite some time. It might sink if it gets a few bad rolls on damage control. If it landed in the superstructure, forget it - a bunch of systems damage and no more.

I've had a dinky 850 tonne E-class ship take a 16 inch shell to the superstructure and have only 18 points of systems damage to show for it. I remember saying to Loka that there shouldn't have been anything left above the waterline.

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/17/2015 1:08:53 PM

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Here is a closer look at two British ships now residing on the bottom -- I like the Fiji Class!

In the recent Musashi battles, I think the Kenya might be in trouble too. She took at least one 46cm hit, and several others. The Yamoto last year put down two British light cruisers with one hit so here is hoping!

The 46cm shells are killers, but it depends where the Kenya was hit. If it went through the deck and you got "critical damage" or a likewise report, then the Kenya is in the yards for quite some time. It might sink if it gets a few bad rolls on damage control. If it landed in the superstructure, forget it - a bunch of systems damage and no more.

I've had a dinky 850 tonne E-class ship take a 16 inch shell to the superstructure and have only 18 points of systems damage to show for it. I remember saying to Loka that there shouldn't have been anything left above the waterline.

No turns due to winter weather and travel, so I went back and watched the fight over again, this time a lot less hurriedly than I did the first time.

Kenya took 1 46cm hit, destroying radar and causing fires below deck and also took two 15cm belt armor penetrating hit causing severe damage. Most other hits were either in the superstructure or bounced off. So my guess she will live, if the subs don't get her.

The Danae had severe casualties to the damage control parties which lowers the crew's experience.

The Musashi was just so impressive, but on closer examination in the first fight,the Kenya did get off one torpedo attack on the Musashi.

Newcastle above the Kenya, the Suffolk below.

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/17/2015 10:19:39 PM

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October 1, 1943

No night bombing.

Iboats get several encounters with landing craft in and around Rangoon, but no damage inflicted.

Allies bomb Chiang Mai, and a small group hits Trinkat's runways.

An IJN APD, 4vp, collides with a mine at Trinkat and sinks. Several days ago an 11 VP xAP, one of the fairly little ones got torpedoed by a sub near Trinkat, the fires caught up and I was forced to scuttle her, and to make for three bad things, a damaged Iboat founders in the CentPac trying to head for safety.

Look what search has discovered all moving west....18 hexes from Saipan, but closer to Marcus!

All things considered, it is a pretty weak force for tackling something as big as the Marianas.

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/17/2015 10:21:08 PM

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7 Allied units have now made contact in the jungle road east of Tuang Gyi, most seem to be hanging back. Checking to see how supply flows?

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RE: Wake Falls - 2/17/2015 10:25:38 PM

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IJA does an artillery bombardment at Chungking: 300 casualties inflicted, about 5 destroyed, for 7 casualties on the IJA side.

72 units and 3200 AV at Chungking....is this doable to conquer you think? I can bombard, and bomb to deplete the supply and then probably 10 deliberate attacks to get the forts down with horrendous losses on my side not to mention all the attacks it would take to finally destroy everyone.

Do I have enough time, or should I simply just siege it and save the supplies?

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