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RE: Unorthodox - 5/29/2015 10:15:10 AM

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Yes, but I was for the most part flying B-29s from extended range in the Marianas. By the time I got B24s in range they were flying from small airbases in the Okinawas. The allies in this game will be flying from multiple level 9 bases within normal range from early 44. Just the ability to tap into the B24 pools for strat bombing of the HI is huge.

I don�t want to sound gloom but this will be over quickly unless you boot him off Hokkaido.

One of the reasons that all worked though is that my supply was low already. Almost no reserves. Lowpe has been aware of that this entire game, so even without the industry he could keep going as long as the aircraft pools were there. Some aircraft manufacturing will most likely continue for a good long time as well. You were able to target the most advanced airframes successfully but I had a gazzilion Franks, Georges, Jacks, Tojos, Oscars, A6M, and Ki-100 still going. In daylight any Japanese fighter can inflict wounds on 4E, but the sweeps will be the most critical factor in terms of success for the Allies.

Good point. He will certainly lack long range escorts and long range sweepers. But flying at night that won�t be an issue.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/29/2015 10:35:37 AM

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Allies attacked Ominato with 131 Liberators, of which I downed 20 according to Tracker.

They swept with 91 Lightning bolts.

For this turn I have retreated back to 10 hexes from Kushiro and pretty much started setting up defenses. Tomorrow, I will continue the pesky hit and run air raids and selective CAP.

I see a Fletcher force making another run in at Ustonomyia or looking for a surface engagement. I now have some mines there but I have no faith in Japanese mines.

I am still pursuing the CVE fleet with Iboats.

And I set up a small CAP trap down in the Solomons.

Not very exciting stuff...lots of ship movements, and so far I have avoided his subs mostly.

Tomorrow I will go thru and shut off spurious drains on my supply which stands at 5.5 million.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/29/2015 10:49:37 AM

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First, for unknown to me reason I was convinced you are in late '44. So not more talking about Frank R :D. Maybe you can bomb his AFs at night. There is no way to use yours 2E bombers right now except for night AF raids in my opinion. About sweeps, usually I am sending one unit form AF, even lvl 9 at once. Squadron must full rested and high morale to arrive as one group.
To avoid sweep fragmentation just remove from yours groups low experience pilots.
So, usually I have 3-4 sweepers squadron in base level 9, but they are rotate. One squadron flaying per day. This way my pilots are always fresh and planes are fixed. You opponent need to fly CAP every day so in time morale of his pilots will go down, his planes will need repair and etc...
You probably already know all of this. :D

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/29/2015 11:16:39 AM

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First, for unknown to me reason I was convinced you are in late '44. So not more talking about Frank R :D. Maybe you can bomb his AFs at night. There is no way to use yours 2E bombers right now except for night AF raids in my opinion. About sweeps, usually I am sending one unit form AF, even lvl 9 at once. Squadron must full rested and high morale to arrive as one group.
To avoid sweep fragmentation just remove from yours groups low experience pilots.
So, usually I have 3-4 sweepers squadron in base level 9, but they are rotate. One squadron flaying per day. This way my pilots are always fresh and planes are fixed. You opponent need to fly CAP every day so in time morale of his pilots will go down, his planes will need repair and etc...
You probably already know all of this. :D

Late 44, I wish!

I agree on the 2E bomber use. +1; however I have not been night bombing other than 2-3 squadrons on night naval attacks since it is 0 percent moonlight.

I also agree with you that the Frank R will never see the light of day, unless the Allies are criminally negligent. Which they aren't.

In early April or even sooner there will be an invasion of Honshu. Most likely one of the clear terrain hexes fairly close to Hokkaido. Then, two or three days after that there will be a second invasion. Most likely Allies will look to cut Honshu in half.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/29/2015 5:50:30 PM

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Yes, but I was for the most part flying B-29s from extended range in the Marianas. By the time I got B24s in range they were flying from small airbases in the Okinawas. The allies in this game will be flying from multiple level 9 bases within normal range from early 44. Just the ability to tap into the B24 pools for strat bombing of the HI is huge.

I don�t want to sound gloom but this will be over quickly unless you boot him off Hokkaido.

One of the reasons that all worked though is that my supply was low already. Almost no reserves. Lowpe has been aware of that this entire game, so even without the industry he could keep going as long as the aircraft pools were there. Some aircraft manufacturing will most likely continue for a good long time as well. You were able to target the most advanced airframes successfully but I had a gazzilion Franks, Georges, Jacks, Tojos, Oscars, A6M, and Ki-100 still going. In daylight any Japanese fighter can inflict wounds on 4E, but the sweeps will be the most critical factor in terms of success for the Allies.

And his pools of sweepers aren't very deep yet. He needs to get to the next P-47 models and later P-51s before he has just tons of sweepers. As long as Lowpe can make OK trades in fighters and not throw his navy away, he should be able to hold until '45... I am concerned about the industry, though. If I were his opponent, I'd be running my 4Es into the ground. And forget concentrated strikes - I'd be scattering them everywhere because Lowpe can't possibly protect every place. And I'd have Recon up over big factory cities, and targeting the R&D.... really ugly things like that.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/29/2015 5:57:39 PM

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And forget concentrated strikes - I'd be scattering them everywhere because Lowpe can't possibly protect every place. And I'd have Recon up over big factory cities, and targeting the R&D.... really ugly things like that.

Luckily for Lowpe most Allied-only players don't think like those who've played the dark side!

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/29/2015 6:28:04 PM

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Well, I have all my night fighters in a band from Nagoya/Tokyo/Gifu/Osaka with interlocking ranges. That is it.

Other bases have Petes/Alfs/Kai Dinahs on 10% CAP to at least interfere with the night bombing.

I am two more months from the big AA reinforcements arriving.

My guess is he will go back to hitting Osaka at night with everything and or the airfields. Anything that gets him bombing airfields instead of industry is a boon. So I will be swapping in fighter strikes from the big bases near Hokkaido and then moving them out, forcing him to strike them repeatedly I hope.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 12:30:17 AM

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Jan 28, 1944

Some small night bombing of northern Honshu by the Allies in 2E bombers.

Lots of mine hits at Ominato, I find out subsequently it is PT boats drawn in chasing some damaged xaks I have at dock. The Allies bombard Hachinohe with BB, and one of them takes a 12cm hit - serves them right. Also bombarded is Ustonomiya and Sendai, by destroyers and a CL/DD task forces.

Jugs sweep Ominato, but nobody there. Lightnings sweep Maebashi and finds A5M5c and Ki100I. The Lightnings are sky high, and we are down low, at 10 or 11K. The Zeroes fall, losing about 23 falling in A2A while 6 Ki100I are also shot down. In return 13 Lightnings are shot lost.

Unfortunately, no Georges bled over (I was petrified of a daylight bombing run on Tokyo). The the Liberators showed up and the targeted a Frank and a big George factory. Ouch.

Then Liberators hit the Naval Yards at Kure, bouncing bombs off two battleships in drydock (in the process of leaving). They run into Tojos and Zekes and Oscars, oh my. The AA isn't up to full strength here (which would be 54 12cm tubes, only 17 so far). I might leave the battleships in port to keep him coming back.

So the Allies are pounding me good, but I believe I have destroyed 25% of the current B24 pools - 50 plus losses in 2 days.

A minefield shows up at Hakodate by the Allies. This leads me to believe the Allies will push to take all of Hokkaido, most likely prior to any major invasion of Honshu -- I think. Ultimately, Hokodate is doomed, but if they can buy me two months of time, or become the focus of an Allied bombing campaign rather than my industry, it will be worth it I think.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 12:37:48 AM

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Here is the damage done to the Hiei at the Kure Naval Yards.

That is a pretty good trade, IMHO, he is bombing with half loads unescorted. A little disappointed the radar to catch one raid quickly enough, but the Zekes caught up to them after the raid.

I need to keep some Georges up sky high to counter the Lightning sweeps, make sure all bases have Ki100Is, and triple check radar and flak locations.

I did lose 50 points of George production which hurts.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 12:41:40 AM

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So no manpower attacks, some factory attacks, the industry comes out relatively unscathed.

At what point does he convert all 4E to 100 percent night bombing? It was very good luck he didn't do night attacks since one of the Nick squadrons just upgraded and many planes were repairing and not all the pilots had arrived.

Ovewrall, this was a turn that made me cringe watching it, but after the fact not so bad - it could have been so much worse which I guess is the story that will unfold in coming months until he invades Honshu.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 12:47:47 AM

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I am definitely seeing signs of frustration and just full speed ahead and to heck with the losses as over in Indochina no less than four deliberate attacks are pulsed against the IJA...after withering aerial bombardments.

Ultimately, these guys are all doomed, and I may start pulling back into Rahaeng with the group to the west, but it was a good day in the jungle for the IJA. As I understand it the tank pools aren't generous for the Commonwealth and British so some very good attrition here was accomplished this day.

The best attack went in at 1-6; while the closet attack went in at 1-2. I just added up the AFV disablements and it was well over 300. Every attack the Allies suffered worse than the Japanese in victory points by a wide margin and the forts at Rahaeng are still pristine.

I am not sure about pulling back into Rahaeng, as that would open up a flow of supplies to the Allied Tank Army, I have hopes of maybe shooting down his transports here in a CAP trap.

I lost 16 VP to the Allies 41 VP in land combat losses last turn. Now at some point, he will keep growing in strength, and if I don't beat feat fast enough he will gain lots of VP when I am forced to retreat. But I am gaining time. Time for what? No clue, but it sounds swell.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 12:52:05 AM

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From reading Greyjoy vs Radar, Greyjoy seemed to be all over the place with his bombing of Honshu trying all sorts of big attacks early, instead of nibbling on the less defended easier targets first. He also flipped and flopped on target selection too, and never shut down the flow of oil and fuel to the HI instead he put together a huge invasion of Honshu. He did close down Radar's advanced plane r&d.

I expect that to occur here, but with more Allied night bombing which Greyjoy was prevented by HR from following, although at one point he did ask for a change in the night bombing HR.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 1:03:13 AM

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I am thinking of abandoning Muroran. It can be so easily bypassed. Rather 1000 points of AV can be in the woods to the north west, and a second position can be prepared closer to Hakodate.

I would like to keep Hakodate if possible because I like the straits and the CD guns...but it will fall to a determined assault. But if that assault buys me more time in preparing Honshu, it will be worth it.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 1:11:39 AM

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In other good news the CVE Nassau and Chenango show up on the sunk ship page. Hopefully that isn't fog of war. Anybody have an idea about how many he has now in Jan of 1944? I know he will get close to 100 total...

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 1:19:21 AM

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I probably let an opportunity go by here, as I thought about sending a squadron of Helen kamikazes here with some Oscar escorts...but they would be flying into 175 fighters, but might have nailed one or two more CVEs.

There is no Allied detection on my base, and rather I would like to get two Helen Squadrons up for Kamikaze runs against something that hopefully doesn't have quite as strong an air CAP.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 1:23:33 AM

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I am thinking of abandoning Muroran. It can be so easily bypassed. Rather 1000 points of AV can be in the woods to the north west, and a second position can be prepared closer to Hakodate.

I would like to keep Hakodate if possible because I like the straits and the CD guns...but it will fall to a determined assault. But if that assault buys me more time in preparing Honshu, it will be worth it.

Sounds like the right calculus!

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 1:29:23 AM

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I like these LSTs, and believe me I am using them all. To save one is just the thing that makes a JFB smile in the position I am in. I will take little victories.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 2:18:32 AM

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One of the nasty consequences of losing Hokkaido, besides all the obvious ones, is that the ports make a fair number of ML, MTB, SC.

I believe if the ship is never actually started then the Allies won't get sunk ship VP when they take the port, although I could be wrong. So I went to thru the build cue and stopped all production, but I did hurry some up that are near completion.

Last turn I abandoned all the north of Honshu & Hokkaido to Allied air power. This turn, I suspect the Allies will pound all the industry there, so it seems to me worthwhile to fly in fighters for the day. Hopefully he will split his sweeps and I will be able to get some bombers. He bombed my troops on Hokkaido without any fighter protection or sweeps, perhaps an opportunity, perhaps a trap.

I guess we will find out!

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 2:20:51 AM

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I am thinking of abandoning Muroran. It can be so easily bypassed. Rather 1000 points of AV can be in the woods to the north west, and a second position can be prepared closer to Hakodate.

I would like to keep Hakodate if possible because I like the straits and the CD guns...but it will fall to a determined assault. But if that assault buys me more time in preparing Honshu, it will be worth it.

Sounds like the right calculus!

I wish you the joy of the cosine!

or words to that effect, Captain Aubery on board the Surprise (I think).

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 2:22:44 AM

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New strategy for fighting Lightnings. Take my lumps and just wear them down.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 6:19:14 AM

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I am thinking of abandoning Muroran. It can be so easily bypassed. Rather 1000 points of AV can be in the woods to the north west, and a second position can be prepared closer to Hakodate.

I would like to keep Hakodate if possible because I like the straits and the CD guns...but it will fall to a determined assault. But if that assault buys me more time in preparing Honshu, it will be worth it.

I don't like this 'falling back' you mention. Where is the banzai spirit?

It's time not to think of what you can keep, but how long you can take. Keeping Muroran will make him take longer, even if you lose troops there. Of course it depends on you forts and what you can do to battle bombardment runs.

If you decide not to keep it, maybe consider a bigger block forward and continuing to reinforce from Honshu into Hakodate. You could hod a long time in the woods there if you can get the troops dug in. My two cents.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 10:40:59 AM

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I am thinking of abandoning Muroran. It can be so easily bypassed. Rather 1000 points of AV can be in the woods to the north west, and a second position can be prepared closer to Hakodate.

I would like to keep Hakodate if possible because I like the straits and the CD guns...but it will fall to a determined assault. But if that assault buys me more time in preparing Honshu, it will be worth it.

I don't like this 'falling back' you mention. Where is the banzai spirit?

It's time not to think of what you can keep, but how long you can take. Keeping Muroran will make him take longer, even if you lose troops there. Of course it depends on you forts and what you can do to battle bombardment runs.

If you decide not to keep it, maybe consider a bigger black forward and continuing to reinforce from Honshu into Hakodate. You could hod a long time in the woods there if you can get the troops dug in. My two cents.

Unfortunately, it is a sad reality that I only have enough AT assets to hold one place the block on the woods or Muroran.

We will see how things turn out the next few days, the wood block has to be the first priority to avoid being isolated at Muroran, but holding him up several more days at Muruoran, or even longer does have some merit.

Good advice.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 12:06:53 PM

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Supplies...Supplies...Supplies
How much are you using up daily now??
Forecasting into the future, is there trouble on the horizon??

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 12:16:23 PM

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Supplies...Supplies...Supplies
How much are you using up daily now??
Forecasting into the future, is there trouble on the horizon??

I am at 5.5 million; I think I may be good for the year or at least until the B29 shows up. 4 million on Honshu. Or invasion Honshu.

I just went thru Manchuko and Korea looking at indsutry and factory bombing sites. Gosh, I have a thirst for fighters, fighters and more fighters.

If I started to supersize my squadrons and split them into thirds, it really would make the air defense so much easier, but I just can't bring myself to do it. Same with enlarging the NF squadrons.

I will diminish and go into the west.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 2:16:48 PM

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Shipped the turn, normally I should get it back later today on Saturday.

Trying a few things: Only 17 guns at Shikotan, but 20 bombers and ships in port. I plan to hit it with 3 sentai of bombers flying low (5K to stay above the 50cal) and there is 9 minesweepers floating around so I will try and take them out with low level torpedo strikes. Allies stopped CAP because of my sweeps, and no fighters presently there. We shall still sweep and LRCAP the base.

Put together an anti-Fletcher force to catch the next bombardment of Ustonomiya.

Jiggled around and had to divide a sentai of NF to get coverage where I need it.

More, and more troops being sent back to Honshu, the first real troops arrive tomorrow.

Trying a ground bombardment at Rahaeng to kill some of those 200 disabled AFVs.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 2:20:14 PM

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I am trying to anticipate somewhat the Allies will do, but whatever it is it will be nasty.

I am thinking he might do night naval bombing of Kure, or any of the plane factories.

He may start to go all in on the destruction of northern Honshu, but he might be somewhat afraid of CAP traps.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 2:20:45 PM

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Heavy AA guns coming back from Indo-China?? IMO, priority will be to place best AA and fighters over fighter factories. You can't afford to run out of George and Franks.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 2:23:49 PM

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Heavy AA guns coming back from Indo-China?? IMO, priority will be to place best AA and fighters over fighter factories. You can't afford to run out of George and Franks.

Yep, everything is coming back. But for now I am short AA as I wan't thinking about this deep strike, although I should have known better.

Considering I see you posting on the evil side, no more CAP with Jugs and Lightnings; I suspect a full out attack on my fighter production, perhaps he might shift to night fighters first.

And probably more diverse attacks.

Once the NF are gone it is over...I have only 213 in the pools but I am making 210 a month. So I might have 400+ by the time the B29 shows up.

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RE: Unorthodox - 5/30/2015 6:03:15 PM

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Jan 29, 1944

Night bombing of Nagoya, Petes rise up but the Irving Sa's don't. Shucks. Several Manpower hits, and fires started but nothing. I don't think anything important went up in flames - no industry that I see.

Allies sweep Ominato, and bomb the port taking out 2 more xaks that were damaged previously.

We hit him and score a tanker I think, it had fuel on it burning pretty well. This is a long way to haul fuel, and perhaps we can exploit that a little.