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RE: Unorthodox - 7/6/2015 3:52:29 PM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 7/6/2015 4:06:38 PM   
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But the context of my postings is to point out the context of thoughts in a AAR develop. Threads like this is how I learned this game ... The manual simply did not provide the background to understand this game.
There are so many nuances .. and nuances to the nuance ...

In my first AAR, Alfred and Nemo were so helpful in developing in my understanding of this game ..
it led to an early victory. A butterfly beating its wings in Australia causing a hurricane in Florida really applies in this game.

Just 2 things I did that many posted as advice that "could not be done" and probably the people posting had bad experiences doing it thus from that perspective good advice ...

#1 conduct a land operation in Northern Oz ... how supply pulses worked was changed during my game and building bases up promoted supply propagation .. thus the operation was successful ..
#2 Conduct an operation in Burma ... again the key was building up bases .. some of them seemed obscure .. but it was important to propagating supply
In that time an exchange of thoughts led to the importance of Ramree Island ...

Why these operations were successful was an exchange of thoughts about how the game really works vs documented ..

One thing about Witpqs posting above that should be pointed out .. he did not say something like "Every pilot is trainable .. " he clarified my brash statement and information was exchanged ..

I just wanted to put my context in perspective ..

Back to the AAR ,,


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RE: Unorthodox - 7/6/2015 4:07:50 PM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 7/6/2015 4:08:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have used P39s in lowNav in Ironman Nasty Nasty to protect Tahiti and other bases like that in the Pacific. Great use. Never thought to use them in Burma for low ground, but I like that idea too.

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Balloons: I have been wondering about balloons, and their use. I had thought balloons are present when the airfield is size 6, but now, found a post that it is: Port + AF >= 6 and balloons are present.

Then the balloons are present in numbers directly related to the fort level.

Twin engine and 4E planes increase the balloon size by +4. And balloons work to an altitude of 6K.

Balloons can be avoided by experience check (the higher exp the better chance at avoiding balloons).

I am combing thru the patch notes now to see if this is mentioned anywhere, but a lot is clearer to me now with how balloons work.

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RE: Unorthodox - 7/6/2015 4:22:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

Not to Hijack the thread ..but in context .



No hijack at all! Very informative!

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RE: Unorthodox - 7/6/2015 4:25:28 PM   
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I'll never be fit for play against another human, but still enjoy the AI.


Sure you can, if you can afford the time commitment.

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RE: Unorthodox - 7/7/2015 10:54:27 AM   
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Night bombardment at Ominato. An escort hits a mine (I think), and the coastal guns manage to score some hits on the battleship.






The Wake CD gun unit is at Hachinohe, and he bombarded it once, but there were so many damaged American destroyers he hasn't been back. Yet.

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RE: Unorthodox - 7/7/2015 10:59:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Finally get an AA regiment into the jungle to protect the troops...these troops have taken close to 90% of all bombing raids in the past month.




One AA unit, forts 1, and I immediately see a nice drop in the disruption of the troops here.

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RE: Unorthodox - 7/7/2015 11:18:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Absolutely no air activity over Honshu. A good day for repair and replacement of fighter strength and the economy keeps pumping.

Over on Formosa, I try to move a dozen xak/xaps one hex and disband into a small port to hide from the deathstar. I set the ships to flank speed, do not unload (they were empty anyhow), and do not fuel.

They don't disband at port in the night, and then they are all sunk. Oh, well. I got spanked here trying to be clever.

The last large troop convoy unloads and disbands at Singers, so all three made it up to the coast safely thru all the Allied subs. Now most are moving inland in China for safety.

Over at Luzon, a large convoy delivers a half dozen engineers, air bases, and a HQ. Troops that were in norther Thailand a month ago.

In Hong Kong, several ships move north to Canton including a dozen fully loaded oil tankers. They will try to hide there or escape to the west if they get a chance.






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RE: Unorthodox - 7/7/2015 11:48:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Taking the hint from Lok, I turned my motorized support to stockpile, and sure enough it stops production so now I can build up my vehicle points.

I get 2 tank units in the next 8 days, one is a destroyed unit from Hokkaido that starts with one tank, but the other comes in 8 days with a full TOE. If I read the rules correctly, and I don't have the production (vehicle points) to fill it out then it will start with 25% of the TOE (emergency mobilization).






According to my math I should just make it. Then I need to worry about the new tank models in June! It is always something. Will I even make June?

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RE: Unorthodox - 7/7/2015 11:55:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		A couple of battle reports...looks like he swept about 15 mines before being put under. I don't know why he bothers, it not like my minefields have actually ever hit anything but they sure have let the CD guns get some practice in.





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RE: Unorthodox - 7/7/2015 1:07:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pondering the state of the game...

I don't think he will invade Honshu without the deathstar being present. Maybe he could later on in eastern Honshu with just baby carriers and ground based air. But not yet.

I think I probably have at least one more month before it comes, if it comes.

Still working at retreating everything back to Luzon/Formosa/Japanese Island/Honshu.

Worrying about Thailand, as always. I have some reserves on the Vinh line, and thinking about how to hold Singers. There currently is 100K supplies in Singers and with the deathstar out and about off Formosa, it probably won't get any soon.

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RE: Unorthodox - 7/7/2015 1:23:41 PM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 7/7/2015 3:07:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Luzon is ok...Formosa is very weak only about 500 AV on the entire island. Just got a load of aviation support so it is good there, but nothing else.

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RE: Unorthodox - 7/7/2015 5:41:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn´t worry about Formosa at this stage. Going there doesn´t really give him anything he doesn´t already have by being on Hokkaido. Besides pretty good VP modifiers that is!

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RE: Unorthodox - 7/7/2015 9:25:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you are right Joc, he is going to go for Honshu.

If no invasion comes for the next 60 days I will feel a lot better. Quite the haul in land troops. Of course their starting morale is low, but they are boots on the ground and will look impressive to his recon pilots.

A lot happens in the next two months. B29s will be pounding everywhere. Probably not a safe point in the Empire. New Japanese tank models come online, and they are very nice. The J2M3 with four cannons will be nice. Place it will be the half way mark to 1945.

AA upgrades will be coming, lots of 12 cm guns which I really need. And, in July there is a huge downsizing of the IJNAF squadrons (a lot go away), and finally the RTA units will be going away too!

Quite a lot happening, plus whatever huge 1000 ship operation the Allies have in store for me.






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RE: Unorthodox - 7/7/2015 9:28:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn is away, and just did more of the same, rebuilding squadrons with planes and pilots, training, moving troops, trying to avoid the deathstar.

Several more deliberate attacks in China to destroy all those stragglers...

The merchant fleet moves to inland ports in China to hide...including Canton which might be risky.

Maybe a few surface engagements tomorrow...


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RE: Unorthodox - 7/8/2015 11:09:40 AM   
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A little destroyer skirmish south of Yokohama, one hit on each side.

No night bombing.

Allies sweep and LRCAP this base with Corsairs prior to sending in a surface bombardment task force (I am guessing since they haven't fired yet).

Knock me down, a Myojo scores a hit!




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RE: Unorthodox - 7/8/2015 11:21:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Halford takes another 800kg AP in the afternoon, and has heavy fires, heavy damage. Meanwhile Allied 4E beasties bomb there and hit the engine factory (Ha45 which for now I have plentiful pools of) and the light industry there.

Over in Thailand, the jungle hex west of Bangkok gets horrendously bombed by everything the allies have. 4E, 2E, Assault Bombers, SBDs, Avengers.

But here our bombardment of the Allied Tank army continues to destroy vehicles.




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RE: Unorthodox - 7/8/2015 11:30:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		And the Allied breakthru comes...1 Division, 4 Brigades, 1 Regiment. No Allied tank units.




My troops will be in for a tough time in the open terrain.

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RE: Unorthodox - 7/8/2015 11:49:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the air Allied lose 6 corsairs for 12 of my fighters (3 George and 9 Zekes) or thereabouts. Honshu still producing pretty strongly.

Deathstar nails an AMc with a 500 pounder via a naval search plane, otherwise quiet.

8 more units unloaded on Luzon, oil & fuel at Hong Kong and Canton, and ships in general fleeing from the Hong Kong/Shanghai/Luzon area.

So now comes the big decision on how many troops go to Hong Kong for a fight down there, and how many ultimately go to the Vinh line. Decisions. This is not a decision I want to make, so we shall see. It is worth 2430 VP for the Allie currently, plus a loss of 500VP for me.




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RE: Unorthodox - 7/8/2015 1:47:09 PM   
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RE: Unorthodox - 7/8/2015 1:55:11 PM   
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You are aware though that those Vehicles you keep destroying are Motorized support right?


The absolute same amount of victory points as a tank though.

I am happy whenever I destroy something Allied.

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RE: Unorthodox - 7/8/2015 4:25:02 PM   
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I am happy whenever I destroy something Allied.


Amen brother ...

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RE: Unorthodox - 7/8/2015 4:30:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		My guess is that the Allies aren't too interested in Singers so I don't think I am going to send more than 2 division equivalents to hold it if that.

Working on managing the retreat from Thailand. I am sure it is going to get messy here.

Always working every turn on the fighter protection of Honshu...training pilots, replacing pilots, rotating fresh fighters in and out. Tokyo has a 500 plane fighter CAP that needs attention each day. Osaka and Nagoya and many other bases will need lots more fighters when the B29 rolls around. Lots of clicks.

Pondering where the Deathstar will go this turn...my guess is for another run thru Fusan for destroyer and cruiser task forces or perhaps it might just hover in the area to deny Japanese shipping. The IJN is disbanded at Moppo and invisible to all but SigInt. They are too exposed now, and I need to devise a strategy for them. Perhaps the east side of Korea....I want to try and save my ships to counter an invasion of Honshu, or Okinawa, or the Japanese Islands so definite force in being status (even if it isn't a great force with only 5 fleet carriers and 5 battleships).

Three quiet days over Honshu and I have 150 fresh fighters off the assembly lines to be distributed. If the Allies continue pounding engines at some point I will be in trouble in 44. Fourth Quarter for Ha45 I think, sooner for the Ha33 (Tony,Judy and Myojo). If I last that long I have a good chance of having the N1K5 in action (I am dreaming here!).

I am thinking of sending out a heavily escorted strike on the Deathstar...again.






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RE: Unorthodox - 7/8/2015 4:33:40 PM   
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I am happy whenever I destroy something Allied.


Amen brother ...

Wa



Yep! I don't think people understand how hard it is to kill things as Japan in 44 without losing something in the process. Usually much more.

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RE: Unorthodox - 7/8/2015 7:43:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Finished the turn, it will definitely get hairy on the Bangkok/Moumein road...the clear terrain hex of death. I will have lots of AA there, but I don't think it will be enough.

We will see how aggressive the Allies are at attacking my forward defenders, my bet is very aggressive. No surprise there.

I have my anti-ship squadrons and fighters positioned to attack the Deathstar tomorrow (they are resting today), especially should he move west to Hong Kong, so my bet is he heads either south to Luzon or north up to Shanghai or Fusan. Maybe a night bomber or submarine will get lucky.

A large convoy is spotted coming in from the Aluetians to Hokkaido, but I moved my Helen Kamikazes. Pity.

Most of the Japanese merchant marine in up river in China, in the SRA, or heading east from Fusan to north eastern Korea. IJN surface fleet fairly concentrated at Moppo, decided to stay there one more day on the offchance the Allies make a repeat move towards Fusan.


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RE: Unorthodox - 7/9/2015 1:45:43 AM   
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22 Frances make a night torpedo attack on 4 AO and all miss. They had 2 NF Corsairs as CAP. This was part of the Deathstar...

Sweeps of Tokyo back on today...will he bomb, most likely.




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RE: Unorthodox - 7/9/2015 1:52:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		4 Jugs sweeps and one Hellcat sweep of Tokyo...no bombers in the morning.

In the afternoon a sentai of Lilly divebombers destroy two more yard sweepers.




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RE: Unorthodox - 7/9/2015 1:59:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not so bad over Tokyo today...would like to be shooting down more of the new Jugs (since it has longer range) but they swept last...

Not sure why he is pursuing this sweep strategy when losses are so close...I would have thought we would be back to sweeping for bleeders.




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