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RE: Before and after - 12/19/2015 9:19:51 PM   
njp72

 

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Not sure in 44 if allied forces can be pushed anywhere once they have a lodgement. Their firepower is simply too great even before you consider the air and naval support.

Containment is the best Japan can hope for now :-(



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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Just my $0.02 here: he's on Shikoku and Hokkaido in force. other places are really moot now until you evict him. shouldn't the plan be to get ~20K AV of whatever you can find on Skikoku and push? maybe I'm missing something ...


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RE: Before and after - 12/19/2015 9:22:05 PM   
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Just my $0.02 here: he's on Shikoku and Hokkaido in force. other places are really moot now until you evict him. shouldn't the plan be to get ~20K AV of whatever you can find on Skikoku and push? maybe I'm missing something ...


Why? I would strip my defenses all across Honshu, fight him in nasty terrain, and leave open areas on Honshu for other possible breakthru invasions.

Additional land forces would have to move thru open terrain to threaten the Shikoku landings.

He is contained now. Relatively speaking.

Yes, he will bomb be back into oblivion...but he needs boots on the ground to grab more VP. The ratio is now 1.8 to one...and I would like to make Jan 45.

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RE: Before and after - 12/19/2015 9:24:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: njp72

My 2 cents,

Not sure in 44 if allied forces can be pushed anywhere once they have a lodgement. Their firepower is simply too great even before you consider the air and naval support.

Containment is the best Japan can hope for now :-(




I agree. It isn't like I can use the Fuso and company to continually bombard. Allies control the air, and the terrain greatly favors the Allies.


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RE: Before and after - 12/20/2015 5:11:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Victory for the IJ in this game is simply keeping within the 2:1 ratio. The Allies simply have to made pay a steep price for every victory point gained .. although some decisive victory might end the game .. the risk of gaining that victory at the cost of a much more achievable path is somewhat foolhardy in a way ..

Right now the Allies are paying a tremendous price for every victory point and projections of power i.e. sweeps are favoring the IJ now .. siply turning this battle into Verdun achieves the final purpose .. a "battle of the bulge" will simply hand the Allies a victory on a silver platter in my opinion ...

My .02 .

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RE: Before and after - 12/20/2015 1:14:58 PM   
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I have to tell you it was a lot of clicks!

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RE: Before and after - 12/20/2015 6:01:45 PM   
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A big day today...Japan gets the AF upgrade giving 6 AA guns to each engineering unit. Hurrah!

I have to tell you it was a lot of clicks!


Did you open up the big LCU screen ("G" hotkey) and just filter for engineer types, then filter by name (or AV), and go down the list changing the N to Y for the Upgrade column, and changing mode to Rest?

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RE: Before and after - 12/20/2015 7:55:15 PM   
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RE: Before and after - 12/20/2015 10:49:14 PM   
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RE: Before and after - 12/20/2015 11:09:12 PM   
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Allied landing on Honshu! This is not a drill.!]]

Bombardments at night, landings and everybomber within 1000 miles attacks Japanese defenders. The Wake CD unit is here, and puts up a valiant fight...

But we are overwhelmed...500+ IJA AV versus 2300. Forts only 3, almost 4.

It was the least protected clear terrain hex on southern Honshu I think.




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RE: Before and after - 12/20/2015 11:12:19 PM   
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RE: Before and after - 12/20/2015 11:19:01 PM   
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RE: Before and after - 12/21/2015 12:52:21 AM   
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Might send minds a thinking.

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RE: Before and after - 12/21/2015 12:53:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I sense the Allies are looking to cut Japan into 1/2 .. that clear terrain hex North North East I suspect is the next target .. It will be interesting what supplies you have south of this line ...

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RE: Before and after - 12/21/2015 3:38:39 AM   
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June 17th, 1944

Allied landing on Honshu! This is not a drill.!]]

Bombardments at night, landings and everybomber within 1000 miles attacks Japanese defenders. The Wake CD unit is here, and puts up a valiant fight...

But we are overwhelmed...500+ IJA AV versus 2300. Forts only 3, almost 4.

It was the least protected clear terrain hex on southern Honshu I think.





I wonder if he got a few weeks/months of really good SIGINT on that place vs. other places... I have to say I'm surprised.

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RE: Before and after - 12/21/2015 3:39:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

I sense the Allies are looking to cut Japan into 1/2 .. that clear terrain hex North North East I suspect is the next target .. It will be interesting what supplies you have south of this line ...


It also has a lot of factories IIRC...


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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Were any of those units used to capture Hokkaido?

Might send minds a thinking.

Alfred


Agree... can you check back for the unit histories?

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RE: Before and after - 12/22/2015 2:20:51 AM   
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Krikeys!






It looks like a reinforced corps to me .. although those Marine divisions are chuck full of concentrated firepower and engineers . how is it looking for forts in Osaka/Kyoto?

I would assume it will take a couple of days to recover from the landing and get supplies on shore . I would not proceed with disabled/disrupted forces on the offense ... I assume its enough time to get opposing forces in place before the slaughter of airpower and tanks cuts Japan in half ...

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RE: Before and after - 12/22/2015 3:33:18 AM   
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RE: Before and after - 12/22/2015 12:28:16 PM   
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RE: Before and after - 12/22/2015 12:54:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: njp72

My 2 cents,

Not sure in 44 if allied forces can be pushed anywhere once they have a lodgement. Their firepower is simply too great even before you consider the air and naval support.

Containment is the best Japan can hope for now :-(




I agree. It isn't like I can use the Fuso and company to continually bombard. Allies control the air, and the terrain greatly favors the Allies.



Interesting. I have a completely different mindset. I never suggested moving a single unit from Honshu, but I would have stripped every other unit from Asia and the Pacific and moved them to Shikoku ... it is hard to move allied units from '44 on ... takes 5:1 or greater AV. That's why I said 20K AV ...
The IJ and the allies have roughly equal AV in the game. If you let him concentrate his while yours is distributed ...



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RE: Before and after - 12/24/2015 12:57:30 PM   
Lowpe


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I have decided to try to hold the beach head....probably won't, but you never know.


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RE: Before and after - 12/24/2015 6:42:45 PM   
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I have learned a lot 'looking over your shoulder' in this game. Thanks so much for your excellent effort in game and posting your thoughts and results.


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RE: Before and after - 12/25/2015 5:24:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Merry Christmas JFB's. The situation is not hopeless. Hold the flanks at Nagoya and Osaka. Place strong forces in the hill terrain to keep the rail line open. If you try to hold him on the beach he'll just bombard you. Try to turn it into a battle of the bulge situation.

Good luck

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RE: Before and after - 12/25/2015 8:08:18 PM   
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It isn't like I can use the Fuso and company to continually bombard. Allies control the air

This is where you can continually bombard. One hit a turn, e.g. from Nagoya, with thick fighter umbrella over the port. Battleship bombardments are very painful on plains, lots of disruption and outright destroyed devices. I would bring all ships available. At least you can drag him into naval battle proper


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RE: Before and after - 12/25/2015 11:35:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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ORIGINAL: njp72

My 2 cents,

Not sure in 44 if allied forces can be pushed anywhere once they have a lodgement. Their firepower is simply too great even before you consider the air and naval support.

Containment is the best Japan can hope for now :-(




I agree. It isn't like I can use the Fuso and company to continually bombard. Allies control the air, and the terrain greatly favors the Allies.



Interesting. I have a completely different mindset. I never suggested moving a single unit from Honshu, but I would have stripped every other unit from Asia and the Pacific and moved them to Shikoku ... it is hard to move allied units from '44 on ... takes 5:1 or greater AV. That's why I said 20K AV ...
The IJ and the allies have roughly equal AV in the game. If you let him concentrate his while yours is distributed ...





I think multiple posting have suggested that one needed to pull back to the home islands ASAP as soon as Hokkaido was invaded .. it's going to be very hard to do this now with the Home Islands isolated. On the other hand .. as previously stated the Allies continue to exchange victory points in the IJ's favor .. a slugfest is not to the Allies advantage .. yet this is where this game is headed .. at least while the IJ's supply holds out .. . cutting Japan in half is going to expose supply propergation algorithms

I agree what with you suggest here as the key to an Allied victory in this gam, and is not simply taking Tokyo ...because if the Allies lose 3X VP's in doing so .. they lose in the end .. It's as you suggested attacking where the IJ are not and slowly build a 2:1 VP advantage .

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RE: Before and after - 12/28/2015 2:00:05 PM   
Lowpe


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Very busy here at the Lowpe household with all our soldier boys home for the holidays. Plays, concerts, Museum trip (special one to see dinosaur bones that Lewis & Clark brought back), family, friends, but sadly little time for witp.

Got a turn done, and I have decided to contain rather than hold the beach. I will lose two nice cities with good factories, but will look to dig in around in the heavy terrain.

A brigade is practically a division on the defensive in heavy terrain. More later on my strategy as time permits.

Here is hoping! Game won't really get back to normal till after new years.

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RE: Before and after - 12/28/2015 4:09:22 PM   
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RE: Before and after - 12/29/2015 2:40:41 PM   
Lowpe


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Three Marine divisions spearhead the shock attack...no surprise here. Can I get enough troops into the good terrain and contain the landings?






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RE: Before and after - 12/29/2015 2:46:58 PM   
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We get some much needed supplies in, at the cost of four PBs. I anticipated the counter with the destroyer squadron, but limited supplies negated any attempt at a counter strike here.






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RE: Before and after - 12/29/2015 2:56:51 PM   
Lowpe


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Status: offline 		VP ratio is 1.834 to 1. The Allies control the air and waters. I have enough fighters to defend one runway on Honshu.

The Allies are pushing 40,000 strategic victory points, and it is clear to me they will exceed 2-1 in very early 1945 if not before.














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RE: Before and after - 12/29/2015 3:09:31 PM   
Lowpe


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All plane factories converted and with no gain in VP, which only comes about thru strategic bombing thank goodness.

He does get VP for any ships that where in the build cue. None here I believe.

Soon I will lose Gifu, and all the engines produced there. The IJ Air Force is pretty much gone although that has been the case for awhile.




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