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ORIGINAL: kirk23

Also in the 1915 scenario Germany has 30% Depth Charge Research complete.

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ORIGINAL: operating

Kirk (Lord Extraordinaire),

The proposed changes would they be included in the 1914 scenario? Going on to a 106th turn in MP, longest match yet in 1.4.2 without a CTD (knock on wood), maybe last another week at the pace we are going, a real good game. Question: Would 1.4.8 be released anytime soon? Don't see any comments, one way or the other about Turk armored cars. Would like to test all these new ideas and changes for they seem to be opening the game up.

Thanks, Bob

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Connfire wrote;
What if the lab cost and upkeep was free or very low for the first lab in each category, but with steep increases for every additional lab above 1 you buy in each category?

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ORIGINAL: operating

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ORIGINAL: kirk23

So what your saying is,the Tech tree needs reworked, as to the time they take to come on stream,I have only scratched the surface with changes here,but I will take a much closer look at time these take to research

I'm trying to think how to respond to your inquiry? As you know, I am more of the MP mind of how this game works as of late, at the same time, trying not to forget consideration on how SP is played. One of my questions would be: Does the AI buy labs? or sell labs? It seems to me that the AI hangs onto all it's (free) labs no matter how bad their disposition get's (even when they are getting crushed). I seriously doubt the AI buys labs and I seriously doubt the AI ever reaches the fullest "Tech Tree" potential for some of the tech categories. If that is a correct conclusion; Then the SP or MP player who leaves just one lab in a tech category for the duration of a 118 turn game will achieve the same results (incomplete tech development). Lately, what I experience, is that it is nearly impossible for a MP CP player to maintain a lab in each category of the tech tree, they simply can not afford the PP in upkeep costs, especially when there are static fronts, which is frequent. the attrition from small and large battles sucks up the PP, leaving rare opportunity for CP to buy and maintain additional lab or labs, hence, a slow tech development, often without all the category selections in the tech tree (no armor lab, no naval lab, no artillery lab, no air lab), especially later in a game, just concentrate on infantry development. SOLUTION: I don't have one just yet,,,,,,A little tired, there is more to this issue, going to have to think about it and how to set up examples, later...

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ORIGINAL: kirk23

Another bone of contention that has been fixed,is the use off the Small Garrison.It will now, not stray more than one hex from the City it starts from.Meaning that it can't be transported by Sea or Rail,and neither will you see it creep slowly into the front lines,they will now do, what they were originally intended to do,and that is defend your Cities behind the front lines.

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ORIGINAL: operating

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ORIGINAL: kirk23

Another bone of contention that has been fixed,is the use off the Small Garrison.It will now, not stray more than one hex from the City it starts from.Meaning that it can't be transported by Sea or Rail,and neither will you see it creep slowly into the front lines,they will now do, what they were originally intended to do,and that is defend your Cities behind the front lines.

Often SGs become front line, simply because the front line crosses over their city at some point. Is there any chance that SGs will receive tech upgrades? In 1.4.2, SGs do get the entrenchment upgrade. My thinking is: that if a SG is pinned in to a city and it's surroundings, that the attacker will concentrate on this weak unit, much like in 1.40. combined arms attacks on SGs is devastating. I realize that SG s are meant to hold till more powerful units arrive or swap places, but if it is later in a game, the attacker may be many times tech heavier, whereas, a SG never change tech elevations. Can you see where I am going with this? I'm OK with SG limited movement.

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IIRC, in 1.40 SGs could not be disbanded when restricted to a city.

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ORIGINAL: kirk23

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ORIGINAL: operating

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ORIGINAL: kirk23

Another bone of contention that has been fixed,is the use off the Small Garrison.It will now, not stray more than one hex from the City it starts from.Meaning that it can't be transported by Sea or Rail,and neither will you see it creep slowly into the front lines,they will now do, what they were originally intended to do,and that is defend your Cities behind the front lines.

Often SGs become front line, simply because the front line crosses over their city at some point. Is there any chance that SGs will receive tech upgrades? In 1.4.2, SGs do get the entrenchment upgrade. My thinking is: that if a SG is pinned in to a city and it's surroundings, that the attacker will concentrate on this weak unit, much like in 1.40. combined arms attacks on SGs is devastating. I realize that SG s are meant to hold till more powerful units arrive or swap places, but if it is later in a game, the attacker may be many times tech heavier, whereas, a SG never change tech elevations. Can you see where I am going with this? I'm OK with SG limited movement.

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IIRC, in 1.40 SGs could not be disbanded when restricted to a city.

If you are allowed to upgrade the Small Garrison,then you will have to pay Upkeep,and if you pay upkeep on them,then the PPs for all Countries, will have to be increased by quite a large amount,to cover the cost of the SG units,because there are many Small Garrison units on the map,especially for Countries like Russia,who have a lot of Cities to protect,the question is where to you draw the line,its swings and roundabouts,somewhere down the line you have to balance the books.Remember the Small Garrison is a free unit,it cost's your Countries zero,they only cost you anything when you decide to repair them after combat,I could easily grant them upgrade enhancements,that is not the problem.

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ORIGINAL: kirk23

Hi Bob, I have given the Small Garrison unit an Upkeep cost,since they are no longer a freebie,I will give them access to Tech Upgrades like all other units in the game.

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Hi Bob, I just added the Small Garrison too the Tech Upgrade,and it is crashing the game,I think a unit needs to be available to build in the production panel.I need to investigate more.

Update : Its as I thought,a unit needs to be available in the production queue,or it can't be upgraded,in other words,if you can't build it,you can't upgrade it!

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ORIGINAL: kirk23

I will leave the Small Garrison Upkeep cost in place,simply because there has been gamer's complaining about them,costing them lots in MP and stuff,when fighting against them.

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ORIGINAL: operating

Kirk,

Maybe if generals had anti-air defense ratings, that might help an SG from air attacks.

Bob