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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/6/2014 9:03:00 PM   
Lowpe


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Status: offline 		It seems to me, that when I have done it, in the stock, beta game SRing troops from East Coast to Cape Town is faster than 42 days...I might have sent the Bobcats in 28 days or was it 34? I don't recall absolutely, but it definitely wasn't 42.

Of course, my memory is not what it used to be...

Sounds like a job for the Queens!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/6/2014 9:41:07 PM   
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I'll set a big xAK to move two hexes a day surrounded by 10+ ASW with good air search, and see if I can't get the subs to bite. If they waste their torps on that one then maybe I can make a run in the opposite direction with the York a few days later.


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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/7/2014 12:17:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Barb

In planning raids by carriers, you should calculate range of the aircraft + complete movement of the TF (as naval task forces move in the night phase and in the morning phase) - so a target distant 16 hexes could easily be attacked on the next turn (4+4 movement of TF + 8 hex for SBD)... However I would go for full bomb load - just find a suitable target and position that will keep you more distant from threats while allowing full strike against target.


With a flank run it should be even farther out right?

With the long range of IJN flying boats it'll be tough to sneak up, especially now that GJ has gone for Cocos. At least for now though the Northern approaches to the HI are still tough to patrol effectively.


I only got 12 hexes max range. There were bases within 8 + 8 movement of my SBDs, but the selection screen maxed out at range 12. Shikuka, for example, was 15 hexes away - yet it wasn't an option. Nagoya was 13. Osaka 15. None of them options.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/7/2014 12:20:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: Barb

In planning raids by carriers, you should calculate range of the aircraft + complete movement of the TF (as naval task forces move in the night phase and in the morning phase) - so a target distant 16 hexes could easily be attacked on the next turn (4+4 movement of TF + 8 hex for SBD)... However I would go for full bomb load - just find a suitable target and position that will keep you more distant from threats while allowing full strike against target.


With a flank run it should be even farther out right?

With the long range of IJN flying boats it'll be tough to sneak up, especially now that GJ has gone for Cocos. At least for now though the Northern approaches to the HI are still tough to patrol effectively.


I only got 12 hexes max range. There were bases within 8 + 8 movement of my SBDs, but the selection screen maxed out at range 12. Shikuka, for example, was 15 hexes away - yet it wasn't an option. Nagoya was 13. Osaka 15. None of them options.


Ah, based on target selection, got it. That is a bit more limiting then, isn't it?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/7/2014 12:25:39 AM   
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You are so enamoured of the idea of moving forward in the North Pacific that you seem to think advancing your plans in that region is a suitable reaction to this very early move on India.  I don't share your confidence as it is too slow.  Nor is the risk reward ratio that good for sending carriers to bomb enemy industry in the Home Islands.  Neither one really improves the structural position of the Allies in the short term nor should it distract your opponent from his Indian operations.  Its not that your strategic objective is wrong, but that in the case of a NoPac advance the infrastructure to develop a meaningful threat to Japan is lacking as are the assets which eventually can deliver powerful blows.  The carrier operation is only a tactical raid which cannot be sustained.

There is however a more bold response which promises a much better ROI because it does structurally improve the Allied position and if successful means that Japan will lose a lot more than it will gain from its Indian and Chinese operations.

The rationale for going to war is to gain the oil/fuel of the DEI back to the Home Islands.  To achieve that Japan needs to

(a) neutralise the American fleet at Pearl Harbor
(b) eliminate the Singapore roadblock and local ABDA naval forces to accessing the large Sumatran oilfields
(c) safeguard both the SLOCs back to the Home Islands and its Kyushu/Shikoku/occupied China/Formosa industry by eliminating the unsinkable aircraft carrier called the Phillippines

Only partial success was achieved with (a).  You still have a useable American fleet but one which is being frittered away on not really vital tasks such as NoPac and babysitting the Yorktown.

Japan has achieved (b) and it is only a question of time before the remaining Sumatran and Javanese oilfields are lost.

Progress on (c) is slow.  By moving in strength so early on India your opponent is disclosing that destruction of the Allied position in the Phillippines is of secondary importance.  This can be a fatal mistake.  For what ultimately destroys the Allied position in the Phillippines is the lack of Allied supply brought about by the naval blockade imposed by the near presence of the KB.  Get supply through to Luzon, the enemy can be pushed back to the sea and airframe replacements distributed to Allied planes to interdict the fuel convoys and strike enemy industry 24/7.

The defences of Wake and the Marianas will not be strong yet.  They are vulnerable to a coup de main.  With them in your hands you can sail large resupply convoys to Luzon.  Only the presence of the KB can interrupt this axis of advance.  But if it is in the vicinity, it is nowhere close to being able to prevent reinforcements sailing from Aden to Karachi.  Nor, by the nature of the very early move on India, will Japan have the airbases to interdict those Middle East convoys.

The indirect defence of India lies in saving the Phillippines.  What the enemy has brought to India so far will not, nor the choice of landing beaches, suffice to conquer India.  This is why you should not abandon Calcutta without a fight.  At worst you can conduct a fighting withdrawal towards the interior and buy time for the AIF to arrive.  You will however need to meet the Indian garrison requirements else your LOCs will be wrecked.  But take heart, a total conquest of India by Japan immobilises about 3700 enemy AV else the Indian bounty is not gained by the enemy.

Get large resupply convoys to the Phillipines.  Filipino infantry replacement rates are quite good but they need supply for their "purchase".  There is already a good corset of American troops on Luzon so you don't need to ship in much reinforcements, but they do need supply.  Some additional squadrons, especially fighters and PBYs to spot those oil/fuel laden ships transiting back to the Home Islands, would be useful.  All this can be done in February whilst the KB is over in India.

Alfred

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/7/2014 1:47:05 AM   
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Fool him. Bomb him right back and slow his attack timetable by a few days!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/7/2014 2:24:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Excellent thoughts Re the PI. The forces there are quite strong in arty, which can partly compensate for lack of armor. Forts build quickly; there are lots of very large base forces if Bataan is not built. Manila builds a little supply; so does Cebu. And the geography funnels his attacks down the neck of the island, making hexside control easier and also more important.

If the S-boats can operate from Manila behind the minefields that helps too. Supply coming in off the Pacific, if as Alfred says Wake is blinded, are hard to see very far out. There are some decent ports on the east and south to unload in the near term.

It has become an "everyone knows" item in JFB-land that the PI can wait for Singers. But that doesn't mean it can wait for India. It's still critical real estate for Japan to own.

Edit: Also worth mentioning that PI devices have the same VP ratio advantage the Chinese do. 1:2 against Japan losses.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/7/2014 6:38:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alfred

obvert,

You are so enamoured of the idea of moving forward in the North Pacific that you seem to think advancing your plans in that region is a suitable reaction to this very early move on India.  I don't share your confidence as it is too slow.  Nor is the risk reward ratio that good for sending carriers to bomb enemy industry in the Home Islands.  Neither one really improves the structural position of the Allies in the short term nor should it distract your opponent from his Indian operations.  Its not that your strategic objective is wrong, but that in the case of a NoPac advance the infrastructure to develop a meaningful threat to Japan is lacking as are the assets which eventually can deliver powerful blows.  The carrier operation is only a tactical raid which cannot be sustained.

There is however a more bold response which promises a much better ROI because it does structurally improve the Allied position and if successful means that Japan will lose a lot more than it will gain from its Indian and Chinese operations.

The rationale for going to war is to gain the oil/fuel of the DEI back to the Home Islands.  To achieve that Japan needs to

(a) neutralise the American fleet at Pearl Harbor
(b) eliminate the Singapore roadblock and local ABDA naval forces to accessing the large Sumatran oilfields
(c) safeguard both the SLOCs back to the Home Islands and its Kyushu/Shikoku/occupied China/Formosa industry by eliminating the unsinkable aircraft carrier called the Phillippines

Only partial success was achieved with (a).  You still have a useable American fleet but one which is being frittered away on not really vital tasks such as NoPac and babysitting the Yorktown.

Japan has achieved (b) and it is only a question of time before the remaining Sumatran and Javanese oilfields are lost.

Progress on (c) is slow.  By moving in strength so early on India your opponent is disclosing that destruction of the Allied position in the Phillippines is of secondary importance.  This can be a fatal mistake.  For what ultimately destroys the Allied position in the Phillippines is the lack of Allied supply brought about by the naval blockade imposed by the near presence of the KB.  Get supply through to Luzon, the enemy can be pushed back to the sea and airframe replacements distributed to Allied planes to interdict the fuel convoys and strike enemy industry 24/7.

The defences of Wake and the Marianas will not be strong yet.  They are vulnerable to a coup de main.  With them in your hands you can sail large resupply convoys to Luzon.  Only the presence of the KB can interrupt this axis of advance.  But if it is in the vicinity, it is nowhere close to being able to prevent reinforcements sailing from Aden to Karachi.  Nor, by the nature of the very early move on India, will Japan have the airbases to interdict those Middle East convoys.

The indirect defence of India lies in saving the Phillippines.  What the enemy has brought to India so far will not, nor the choice of landing beaches, suffice to conquer India.  This is why you should not abandon Calcutta without a fight.  At worst you can conduct a fighting withdrawal towards the interior and buy time for the AIF to arrive.  You will however need to meet the Indian garrison requirements else your LOCs will be wrecked.  But take heart, a total conquest of India by Japan immobilises about 3700 enemy AV else the Indian bounty is not gained by the enemy.

Get large resupply convoys to the Phillipines.  Filipino infantry replacement rates are quite good but they need supply for their "purchase".  There is already a good corset of American troops on Luzon so you don't need to ship in much reinforcements, but they do need supply.  Some additional squadrons, especially fighters and PBYs to spot those oil/fuel laden ships transiting back to the Home Islands, would be useful.  All this can be done in February whilst the KB is over in India.

Alfred


Great assessment Alfred.

Just to clarify, I'd not really thought of a move in the north occurring as a counter to India, simply as a last ditch effort to avoid AV. I have been considering the central pacific, and instead of taking Wake I'd though of moving down from the North into the Marianas. There is an area that could provide relative security while affording a decent chance to avoid notice until late by aiming for from Adak to Marcus.

What I hadn't thought of at all is aiming to replenish and hold the PI! In fact one of the characters I'd been writing 'mentions' it and I dismissed it then in my mind. You're right of course, and this would be the strongest challenge I could put forth to an India move. The troops there are doing quite well already. I've had most replacements off to conserve supply, and still holding easily in both Manila and Clark.

I've got Marines in Dutch Harbor, and I could start them prepping for Marcus right now, get some AP/AK up there and aim to have at least two CVs moving that direction within a few days. Since two are out of commission for a while it would be a shoestring op for air cover, but 4-5 BBs could be there and a lot of other stuff. I'l continue thinking. Thanks for the wake-up!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/7/2014 7:02:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Excellent thoughts Re the PI. The forces there are quite strong in arty, which can partly compensate for lack of armor. Forts build quickly; there are lots of very large base forces if Bataan is not built. Manila builds a little supply; so does Cebu. And the geography funnels his attacks down the neck of the island, making hexside control easier and also more important.

If the S-boats can operate from Manila behind the minefields that helps too. Supply coming in off the Pacific, if as Alfred says Wake is blinded, are hard to see very far out. There are some decent ports on the east and south to unload in the near term.

It has become an "everyone knows" item in JFB-land that the PI can wait for Singers. But that doesn't mean it can wait for India. It's still critical real estate for Japan to own.

Edit: Also worth mentioning that PI devices have the same VP ratio advantage the Chinese do. 1:2 against Japan losses.


Good to know on the PI VP ratio. This being my first 'real' VP focused game I've not gone into the various values as much as I should have by now, although I'm vaguely aware of the score for Chinese devices. I'll review that part of the manual today. I should have much earlier.

Another thought is that he hasn't yet gone for Java after the early landing there. Everything has slowed after the India move. Maybe it would be a good time to defend forward in OZ a bit as well, getting some armor and a brigade or two into Darwin to at least slow any move there. I've already sent a brigade to Carnarvon and another to Exmouth, while Perth is very solid with two divisions and a bunch of armor.

The Troops for a Central Pacific move will be tough. I know I could have a Marine division when the last part of the 1st shows up, and maybe one US army division with a few regiments. That's probably all that could be scraped up in this month, but it could be enough to take Marcus and one or two of the Marianas. If the move gets there, more importantly it'll force him to choose between an IO focused KB and one that is concerned with more vital areas closer to home.


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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/7/2014 7:15:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		You have to remember that everything you take and consider building up into an airbase needs to be protected by surface ships. One good bombardment run with battleships can destroy a lot of airframes..

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/7/2014 7:20:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

You have to remember that everything you take and consider building up into an airbase needs to be protected by surface ships. One good bombardment run with battleships can destroy a lot of airframes..


Sure, I've thought about this a LOT, especially since my game with Jocke and the Moppo scenario there.

A move on the Marianas would need several fighter groups moving with the transports, in AKVs, and it would need enough cover to as you say cover the LOC as the first stages were accomplished. If I embarked on something like this I'd prepare for the whole op but I'm sure the first stage would be all it would take to get GJ very interested and we'd see some serious surface forces and the KB moving back quickly.



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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/7/2014 7:02:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Before Nimitz took over, the Navy was working on plans to take Wake back....

Boy, would the PI Gambit be an eye opener against an aggressive Japanese player like here! Thrust and counter thrust








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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/7/2014 7:17:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Before Nimitz took over, the Navy was working on plans to take Wake back....

Boy, would the PI Gambit be an eye opener against an aggressive Japanese player like here! Thrust and counter thrust










I think they may have pulled the plug before Nimitz took over, too. Can't remember, and I just read a book on the first 6 months of the USN in WW2 not 2 months ago. Shame on me.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/7/2014 10:03:22 PM   
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SUBS: Interesting. Midget subs are trying to infiltrate Calcutta. Is he using them to make the minefield DL go up to prepare for a bombardment? There are only a few small xAK here.

Around 6-8 subs are at Penrhyn, so getting out is looking like a difficult proposition in the near term. Mines arrive though and two IJN subs promptly hit them, likely mortally, as it's a long way from home here.

Speaking of mines, Merak now has some, and O23 hit one. It has around 80+ float damage and might not make it. So far the Allies have lost one sub.

Pacific: I'll start sending some feelers across the central Pacific, mostly subs, but I might also send an exploratory raid out to test air search and defenses. A few longer range DDs and an old CL.

CHINA: The Ankang mission was a bust, but these are lost units anyway, so no biggie. Wenchow is holding strong and making positive supply. The new defensive lines are forming to the NW of Sian, and pulling back around the city itself. A Claude sweep showed up on the 25th! Wish my Chinese bi-planes were still around, but they're all in India.

The Pingsiang block is still holding stronger than ever. No other spot is really challenged right now.

PI: Another DA went in at Clark, achieving a 1:2 and dropping forts to level 1. The IJA took 3x the losses this time though, but mostly just disablements. Still, it's going well and after the armor foray south Antimonan is still in Allied hands and resources continue to flow to Manila. I flew 10 P-40s back in and got a few Nates, but the Tojos showed up and damaged the lot, so I started a shell game between Clark and Manila. Five are repaired now and going to Manila to see if we can catch some boomers before the sweeps.

DEI: The CL Sumatra which just arrived made it out of Soerabaja and is heading toward Cape Town. Most other action has slowed way down since India. This fine by me, as half of Borneos oil and al of Java's is still in Allied hands.

INDIA: Calcutta is bombed heavily on the 23rd. The Allied heavy AA group doesn't shoot down a single bomber.

Units move to break through the paradrop blockade of certain rail lines to Calcutta. Others move back to escape.

Some small TFs, two of four ships, appear along the South Indian coastline. I send a TF of 6 RN CL and 5 DD against ten, but find nothing. Now I'll race these ships down toward Karachi just in case and get search on Addu and Diego Garcia. I think by it's move toward Singers that the KB may also be on it's way.

SIGINT: Interesting.

a Japanese SS is moving to 210,73.

Another near India.

Radio call sign of SS I-153 detected at 28,44.

The KB? Or more troops. Both?

Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at 48,68.
Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at 47,63.

14th Division is planning for an attack on Calcutta.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR January 25, 42
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TF 78 encounters mine field at Penrhyn Island (168,159)

Japanese Ships
SS I-172, Mine hits 1, heavy damage


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TF 74 encounters mine field at Penrhyn Island (168,159)

Japanese Ships
SS I-168, Mine hits 1, on fire

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TF 35 encounters mine field at Penrhyn Island (168,159)

Japanese Ships
SS I-20, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

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Ground combat at Clark Field (79,76)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 32341 troops, 368 guns, 247 vehicles, Assault Value = 921

Defending force 25799 troops, 304 guns, 262 vehicles, Assault Value = 703

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 540

Allied adjusted defense: 1357

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1560 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 148 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 19 disabled
Guns lost 46 (2 destroyed, 44 disabled)
Vehicles lost 24 (2 destroyed, 22 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
407 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 52 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Guns lost 24 (6 destroyed, 18 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (3 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Assaulting units:
16th Division
48th Division
3rd Ind Engineer Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
Kure 1st SNLF
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
14th Army
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
4th Marine Regiment
194th Tank Battalion
192nd Tank Battalion
26th PS Cavalry Regiment
31st PA Infantry Division
14th PS Engineer Regiment
45th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team
2nd PA Constabulary Division
21st PA Infantry Division
Far East USAAF
I Philippine Corps
88th PS Field Artillery Regiment
202nd PA Construction Battalion
301st Construction Battalion
803rd Aviation Engineer Battalion
1st PI Base Force
200th & 515th Coast AA Regiment
Clark Field AAF Base Force
201st PA Construction Battalion
301st PA Field Artillery Regiment

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/7/2014 10:23:34 PM   
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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/8/2014 6:05:39 AM   
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How many mines are on the way to Penrhyn?


About 130 made it there on the 25th, and as shown in the CR sections, three IJN subs hit.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/8/2014 6:29:04 AM   
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SIGINT: Interesting.

a Japanese SS is moving to 210,73.

Another near India.

Radio call sign of SS I-153 detected at 28,44.

The KB? Or more troops. Both?

Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at 48,68.
Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at 47,63.

14th Division is planning for an attack on Calcutta.


Hi. I want to tell that im still here, reading every post. Rally interesting game.
But i decide to stay in shadows because i reading both sides.

As for all those intel information. So far You only play dark side so You have no experience but You can be sure that things You get from Allied intel in single turn will be more that Japan get in month

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/8/2014 7:19:10 AM   
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SIGINT: Interesting.

a Japanese SS is moving to 210,73.

Another near India.

Radio call sign of SS I-153 detected at 28,44.

The KB? Or more troops. Both?

Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at 48,68.
Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at 47,63.

14th Division is planning for an attack on Calcutta.


Hi. I want to tell that im still here, reading every post. Rally interesting game.
But i decide to stay in shadows because i reading both sides.

As for all those intel information. So far You only play dark side so You have no experience but You can be sure that things You get from Allied intel in single turn will be more that Japan get in month


Yeah, it's kind of amazing. I hardly look when playing the AI, so this is really the first time I've been able to start putting SIGINT and Ultra into actual practice. It's fun!

Good to hear from you koniu!

Also, just a short note to say we're on hold for a day or two until we get a new map file without the false river crossing into Calcutta. Symon has offered to rework this part, and I'm fine with it, as there is clearly no river there in actuality. It'll be a tougher defense, but actually has still given me a few extra days to prepare, so not too bad for the Allied side either.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/8/2014 9:57:50 AM   
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December 16, 1941

Near Cape Torokina

John hadn’t really thought the Japanese would be interested in these islands so far to the South of their possessions in the Pacific. When he noticed a deep, resonant sound of engines in the distance this hot morning in December he wondered first if a float plane was bringing visitors to the mission down by Torokina Point. As he came to a clearing he looked up to see a massive flying boat unlike any he’d noticed before. This was much bigger than the RAAF Catalinas that sometimes patrolled the area, and as it neared, flying close enough to see it’s markings, a chill went down his spine in spite of the heat.

He had heard defenses were being prepared at Port Moresby and Rabaul, but had thought of those as precautionary and unnecessary. A few hours later the big plane droned past again, this time on it’s return journey, farther out to sea, but still this gave John an ominous feeling of dread.

That night he walked the mile and a half to the Brown’s homestead and they talked over the developments in the Pacific.

“They’re getting coastwatchers trained up at Port Moresby and Rabaul. Men with radios, who know the land, who have good relations with the islanders. Thought we might consider it. I’m not going to sit by if the Japs start messing around down here.” Dean was a wiry, taught man who’d obviously spent most of his life working hard, but he was also shrewd and resourceful, like most men in the Australian frontier.

“I’d definitely get involved if need be. Who do we speak with?”

“I’ll get in touch with the officials at Port Moresby and see if they’ve got anyone around here. In the meantime lets start talking to the village leaders and get them on board. If something does happen down here we’ll need everyone on the same page.”

“Sounds good.”

John walked back thinking of the future. He’d built a life here. He enjoyed the work, if it did get lonely at times. In one respect though he was glad he didn’t have a family to worry about now. He could see the strain in Dean’s face during their talk. There was so much at stake for him now.

That night several Japanese transports passed close by Cape Torokina on their way down the islands toward Guadalcanal.






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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/8/2014 10:21:54 AM   
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December 20, 1941

Near Cape Torokina

Two days ago word arrived through a broadcast from Port Moresby that the Japanese had landed troops at Kavieng on New Ireland and at Tulagi far to the South near Guadalcanal. The war had come to the South Pacific.

John had spent the past days meeting with village elders to form local defenses and information networks. Due to the good working relationships already established they were able to easily form plans for the area and get information to communities farther inland. The native tribes were aware that the Japanese were the aggressors in this war and that the their presence would not likely have positive outcome for their people.

The news from elsewhere was not good. Hong Kong had fell, Singapore was being surrounded and the speed of the Japanese advances was almost unbelievable. There was proof very nearby though, so no one was taking the warnings lightly. Dean Brown sent his family to Port Moresby from whence they would move back to Brisbane to stay with relatives. The mission reduced it’s staff to only reverend Reginald Sharp, who would stay and manage the building until the extent of the threat was known.

John and Dean had volunteered as coastwatchers. Their days were now spent climbing the hills beyond their plantations to look out over the open sea and skies. Each night they radioed back any ship sightings or plane movements. Most of the time nothing was seen, but yesterday two transport sailing north nearly on the horizon were spotted. They didn’t know if these were Japanese or not, but made a report. In the evenings they would sit and talk, study the Japanese ship and plane identification books they'd been sent with the last planes pulling families out a few days before.

Although they felt useful, the days were tense. They strained to see out into the tropical haze and the heat of the open clearing from which they looked was almost unbearable. It would be days before they would pass on something useful, but the network was now in place and functioning, and this would prove crucial to later events.






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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/8/2014 11:00:40 AM   
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About 130 made it there on the 25th, and as shown in the CR sections, three IJN subs hit.


Aren't there more enroute? Or is that group heading back to Pearl. Putting down the mines was a stroke of genius, wish I would have originally thought of it.




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About 130 made it there on the 25th, and as shown in the CR sections, three IJN subs hit.


Aren't there more enroute? Or is that group heading back to Pearl. Putting down the mines was a stroke of genius, wish I would have originally thought of it.





That shot is from the 24th. They dropped on the 25th. Now they're headed back to Christmas Island to get some more from the AKE that just arrived there, and hit it again.



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Now they're headed back to Christmas Island to get some more from the AKE that just arrived there,


Can mines be loaded from an AKE? I think the manual indicates not.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/8/2014 12:25:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good question. You know, I'm probably totally wrong there. On the Japanese side i always had my go to ports and didn't use AKE too much anyway, so this is all new. I'll have to read over the port load section and what naval support and an AKE of different sizes will provide.

Thanks for the head's up. Maybe they'll head back to Pearl! At least it's on the way.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/8/2014 12:41:08 PM   
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Good question. You know, I'm probably totally wrong there. On the Japanese side i always had my go to ports and didn't use AKE too much anyway, so this is all new. I'll have to read over the port load section and what naval support and an AKE of different sizes will provide.

Thanks for the head's up. Maybe they'll head back to Pearl! At least it's on the way.


Page 286 shows that AKEs don't affect mine reloading. Naval support can, but port size is most important. Save the fuel and head for Pearl.

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Good question. You know, I'm probably totally wrong there. On the Japanese side i always had my go to ports and didn't use AKE too much anyway, so this is all new. I'll have to read over the port load section and what naval support and an AKE of different sizes will provide.

Thanks for the head's up. Maybe they'll head back to Pearl! At least it's on the way.


Page 286 shows that AKEs don't affect mine reloading. Naval support can, but port size is most important. Save the fuel and head for Pearl.


Thanks Steve.


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How many mines are on the way to Penrhyn?


About 130 made it there on the 25th, and as shown in the CR sections, three IJN subs hit.


That's a really high success rate. Nice!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/8/2014 4:47:12 PM   
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How many mines are on the way to Penrhyn?


About 130 made it there on the 25th, and as shown in the CR sections, three IJN subs hit.


That's a really high success rate. Nice!


It looks like 6-8 in the hex, and the various CR messages support that, so it seems about right, I'd say!

After a lot of hits the minefield will become known, and less effective, so I'd like to make one more drop to fully discourage subs in the hex. Still they will most likely hang around it. Three APDs with their 6 DC will be there in a few days also.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/8/2014 10:14:26 PM   
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I recall an earlier GJ AAR (I'm not reading his side of his current game w/ you) where he got creamed in India, got pushed all the way back to Karachi(!) & was having poor results from offensive forays making spoiling attacks out of Karachi against the IJA advance on that bastion. W/ 6 divs at Diamond Harbor, he may be trying to replicate that action. Keep Recon & NavS to observe any add'l forces arriving at Diamond Harbor. Looks like he's determined to take Calcutta, keep him under observation to see if BFs & planes are moving in.
As Albert noted, he'd be making a major mistake if he goes all out for India before reducing your Philippine bastion. I think you should make a big effort to ship supply to Bataan & Manila, build forts & minefields there, bring in some capable airgroups if your airfields are tenable - Fighters, NavS & a group of torp-capable PBYs w/ high NavT skill. These guys won't do well if their target is covered by fighters, but they can wax an undefended convoy.

You can defend against an IJ AV by building up bases in CONUS - while I applaud your efforts to improve the Aleutians, you are in Winter there, & your base-construction is at half-value. Use your engrs to max the size/value of your CONUS bases.

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