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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/27/2014 9:35:59 PM

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Well Joe, the British troops are some of your best and you just have to use them and the Australians at this stage of the fight because the Indian units are just so weak and the experience level is poor. Save for a total Sir Robin in India I see no way to avoid it. But in the end I do not think it matters much. You are talking two British divisions and yes they are valuable, but the Indian army gets so powerful in the end-especially the tank units that the British divisions won't matter so much later in the war. Quite frankly, it is the devices more so than the squads that become an issue. Commonwealth units don't ever get enough replacement devices. The real questions is what price can you exact from the Japanese by using up your Brits. Time and resources are the Allies best bargain at this stage. GJ got nothing out of Calcutta but wreckage. No oil or industry. Yes, I would trade a division for that.

I agree on Calcutta. I hate losing that division, but to wipe what he could have used there for industry is a great consolation. The time and losses being taken at Colombo are also helping to make this a tough move all around. The M3 Stuarts there have been stalwarts.

As long as I'm been able to get more troops, supply and air groups into India then the use of Brit and Aussie units here is a must. I'm nearly at the threshold where I can begin to defend forward of Karachi. I want to get into the Delhi area and keep that base, but not sure if it'll be possible yet.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/28/2014 10:41:38 PM

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March 9 - 11, 1942

SUBS: A damaged Japanese sub stopped off in Goa and was sunk by a few B-26 after they'd spotted ships in port on a recon mission the previous turn.

INDIA: Diego Garcia is invaded and falls. Too bad. He only used an SNLF and I had troops on the way, but too late.

Some troops now move up to Cawnpore. I'll find out how much soon.

Colombo holds out, and inflicts more damage to Japanese divisions, but the armor is finally failing.

Pacific: The BBs are nearly to San Fran. About 10 more hexes.

OZ A mini-KB and an invasion TF move in close to the W OZ coast. Derby looks to be the first target. A mass evacuation of flown in troops his in progress and should proceed easily on to the depth of the Australian bush. Units at Darwin prepare to move out as well. I'd like to defend further inland, stretch the Japanese out a bit.

Perth is at forts 4.1 and growing. I've just moved more CD guns into the area and two US infantry regiments are in strat mode ready to move if something pulls around the corner at Exmouth. Esperance just got a brigade and CD guns and I'm looking for one to put in Albany as well.

SIGINT: Not much doubt this is real. The Sydney thing looks a little far fetched though. The SE area fleet?

2/26th Division is planning for an attack on Darwin.

Southeast Area Fleet is planning for an attack on Sydney..

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR March 10, 42
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Morning Air attack on Goa , at 32,29

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-26 Marauder x 8

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
SS I-164, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk

Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-26 Marauder bombing from 6000 feet
Port Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Colombo (29,48)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 39392 troops, 431 guns, 138 vehicles, Assault Value = 925

Defending force 29453 troops, 230 guns, 353 vehicles, Assault Value = 196

Japanese adjusted assault: 383

Allied adjusted defense: 183

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1817 casualties reported
Squads: 31 destroyed, 157 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 26 disabled

Allied ground losses:
374 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 80 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 30 (5 destroyed, 25 disabled)
Vehicles lost 66 (27 destroyed, 39 disabled)

Assaulting units:
5th Division
27th Ind Engineer Regiment
18th Division
15th Ind Engineer Regiment
6th Guards Division
3rd Mortar Battalion
25th Army
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
2nd Royal Tank Regiment
Colombo Fortress
99th Indian Brigade
100th Indian Brigade
98th Indian Brigade
Ceylon Base Force
2nd Ceylon H AA Regiment
222 RAF Base Force
1st RM Heavy AA Regiment
21st Light AA Regiment
222 Group RAF
Eastern Fleet
Ceylon Command
22nd Light AA Regiment

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Losses:

Loss of AM Lismore on Mar 10, 1942 is admitted
Loss of AM Jan van Amstel on Mar 10, 1942 is admitted
Loss of xAK Toendjoek on Mar 10, 1942 is admitted

Ships Sunk:

SS I-164 is reported to have been sunk near Goa on Mar 10, 1942

I'll leave most of the units at Darwin for now to see where he lands. It'd be nice if he wanted to face the CD guns at Darwin, but if he goes to Wyndham I'll just evac Darwin and move into the interior.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/30/2014 10:19:50 PM

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March 12 - 14, 1942

SUBS: Sneaky bastard midget subs try to get into Pearl!!! I dropped a new minefield and that did the trick.

INDIA: After Lucknow is captured I sent in sweeps and the 4Es to hit the fields. It turned out nicely as the zeros were off sweeping our fields at Delhi, hitting empty air, leaving Oscars and Nicks at 10k. The second sweep cleared a good portion of the defense and the 4Es took out a good number of planes on the ground. I flew them up high to hopefully make the Japanese have to climb to get them, thinking there would be no radar here. It worked for the most part.

Colombo very surprisingly hangs on another day. Not sure what state the IJA is in , but it must not be good if 3 divisions can't get this done. Stupidly, units continue to arrive here. I've had to shuttle out one AS, withdraw a TB group, and now a nice AA unit arrives just in time to be wiped out!

Bombay with it's newly installed Aussies gets to almost 1700AV. Feeling okay now about that. Karachi is still at 950AV and is expecting two new divisions within the month. Once the air power and support is in place and groups are trained up, I'd like to get into the fight.

QUESTION: The LOD is just below Delhi. Does the IJA have to cross it to trigger reinforcements or just move onto it? Thinking about Ahmedabad and wondering if it's vulnerable or not.

Pacific: A few subs show up around SF. Yuck. The BBs are a mere 4 hexes out now. All ASW TFs will move out to clear the path and bunch of FP and Cats will fly cover.

BURMA: Myitkyina falls before I can get the troops out toward Lashio, and they retreat the opposite way even though they'd moved 35 hexes down the other road already. Arrrrgg. So now I'll just have to let them get pushed into the jungle. I'll send the remnants on to Ledo.

DEI: The rest of Borneo including Balikpapan is invested and will fall soon.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR March 12, 42
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Ground combat at Colombo (29,48)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 28248 troops, 312 guns, 76 vehicles, Assault Value = 832

Defending force 29928 troops, 332 guns, 422 vehicles, Assault Value = 160

Japanese adjusted assault: 414

Allied adjusted defense: 223

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
834 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 90 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 19 destroyed, 13 disabled
Vehicles lost 7 (3 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
420 casualties reported
Squads: 42 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 12 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 9 (7 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (6 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
27th Ind Engineer Regiment
18th Division
5th Division
15th Ind Engineer Regiment
6th Guards Division
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
25th Army
3rd Mortar Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
99th Indian Brigade
2nd Royal Tank Regiment
Colombo Fortress
100th Indian Brigade
98th Indian Brigade
21st Light AA Regiment
1st RM Heavy AA Regiment
Ceylon Base Force
23rd AA Bde
222 Group RAF
2nd Ceylon H AA Regiment
222 RAF Base Force
Eastern Fleet
Ceylon Command
22nd Light AA Regiment

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR February 14, 42
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Morning Air attack on Lucknow , at 52,23

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 35
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 34

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed

CAP engaged:
260th Sentai with Ki-43-Ib Oscar (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 16 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
264th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 21 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Lucknow , at 52,23

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 29
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 24

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Lucknow , at 52,23

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 19
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 11

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 10
B-17E Fortress x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 damaged
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 12

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Morning Air attack on Lucknow , at 52,23

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 9 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 16
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 6

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 20000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Lucknow , at 52,23

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 16
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 3

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 20000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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TF 100 encounters mine field at Pearl Harbor (180,107)

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-9, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
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Not sure defending the clear around Delhi is worth it. In fact I'll probably move everything back and entice him to cross if he dares, but focus on defending the route to Bombay in the SW through Ahmedabad and Surat.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/31/2014 12:18:18 AM

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IIRC 'step on the line' is as good as crossing it.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/31/2014 7:07:11 AM

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IIRC 'step on the line' is as good as crossing it.

Cool. Thanks.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/31/2014 7:47:11 AM

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March 15 - 16, 1942

SUBS: Several more sub attacks by I-23 and I-25 usher the Oklahoma and Arizona through the Golden Gate. They're at SF now and will move to Alameda tomorrow for the next stage of repair.

INDIA: I moved the 4E to Bombay and went for Hyderabad but found a hornet's nest there! One of the big expert groups hanging out, and lost about 12 bombers on the day, both 4E and 2E. Still got some decent hits on the manpower, but I'll have to knock this off for a while. Really need a sweeper airframe. I have all of 4 P-38 now in Karachi, but that won't quite do it, and production doesn't start for over a month.

Pacific: Some big TFs head for So Pac. Mainly supply and base forces. I'd also lie to get the last regiment of the Americal to OZ. Supply and fuel arrive at Tahiti and Penrhyn. CVs are now in Pacific waters and will move into a position to take advantage of any KB more to more distance areas.

CHINA: Stasis. This is allowing a lot on my side. I now have one unit at Chungking approaching 600 AV!! Supply in Chungking is actually growing, up to nearly 17k now. Forts are very strong along the MLR, one units just achieving a level 4 in +3 territory.

OZ: Derby, Whydam and Broome are all snapped up by Japanese forces. All but CD guns and the static fort leave Darwin up the long road into the red center. They can help more as intact units than they will shattered out here for an extra few days holding at Darwin. Three fighter and two DB groups are about 30 hexes from arriving in OZ. This will be the only air force along with the few Kittyhawks that arrive here for the next few weeks and they will move immediately to Perth.

SIGINT: Aha! So he is thinking of eventually liquidating this area. The base has been continually bombed for over a month now, but still must be producing a good amount of supply, as it hasn't really dropped much at all, hovering around 5k.

51st Division is planning for an attack on Wenchow.

The 'Heavy' notice might be the KB as it was last seen around here, and my subs all get a 10/10 immediately when they move into the area.

Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at 74,119.

The third message is interesting, except this unit is in Mutankiang! Assuming these are actually real, by the time all of these Manchurian units prepping for East OZ could be bought out and moved, I also can get some troops from the US down under.

25th Division is planning for an attack on Cairns.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR March 15, 42
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ASW attack near San Francisco at 217,71

Japanese Ships
SS I-25

Allied Ships
AM Bayfield

SS I-25 is located by AM Bayfield
I-25 diving deep ....

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Sub attack near San Francisco at 216,70

Japanese Ships
SS I-23

Allied Ships
AM Canso

SS I-23 launches 2 torpedoes
I-23 diving deep ....
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR March 16, 42
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Sub attack near San Francisco at 217,71

Japanese Ships
SS I-25, hits 3

Allied Ships
KV Vancouver

SS I-25 launches 2 torpedoes
I-25 diving deep ....
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Morning Air attack on Hyderabad , at 39,32

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 5
B-17E Fortress x 15
B-26 Marauder x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-26 Marauder: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged

Manpower hits 32
Fires 4623

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Here's a shot of Western Australia. Lots of fleeing going on!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/31/2014 8:02:11 AM

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Oklahoma and Arizona v I-23 and I-25

The BBs make it in to the West Coast! All of these firsts in PBEM play are so much more monumental than against the AI. The fact that GJ sent his subs back to replenish and aimed several of them right back at SF after the long chase of the Yorktown makes it all the sweeter. I made the right choice to leave early, and he made the right choice to cover knowing that I might send something. I love it when I can prepare for best play from my opponent and it happens, (as long as I still the BBs to port!!).

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/31/2014 4:12:19 PM

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INDIA

Here is a shot of the current Japanese advance. Looks like he's going mostly for the Northern parts, and now comes the interesting decision; will he cross the line?

Since the push has seemingly slowed and there is not a lot of either recon or air strikes into forward positions, I'd say he's not going for it. Also, the position of the KB and mini-KB both spotted off of West OZ, the feared blockade of India is not seemingly going to happen. Unless this is a calm before the storm and the push will come later to coincide with the end of the year and AV.

At this point I'd wager that if the Japanese are going to try for AV at all, it would happen piecemeal and involve portions of India, OZ and So Pac. Alaska also has some tempting targets, but that might be one step too far considering what I've done there so far and the fact that no moves have been made this spring yet.

So, in India it's all about getting units into place, training them up, and preparing for the push back. I think in about to months it could be time to make a significant move. In the meantime I'll try to pick spots to hit industry and undefended bases to burn supply and give his engineers some work. The RN will stick around Karachi, just in case, and some other surprises will be coming in the IO.

One more question about India: if I abandon the bases in front of Delhi, and he moves close enough (2-3 hexes) to have them turn to Japanese control, does that also trigger reinforcements?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/31/2014 4:22:22 PM

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IIRC 'step on the line' is as good as crossing it.

Cool. Thanks.

I'm not sure, here. I think he has to go one hex beyond that. As in, he could take Ahmedabad, but not go beyond it. Like you can take Brisbane, but not go beyond that in Australia.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/31/2014 4:23:18 PM

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One more question about India: if I abandon the bases in front of Delhi, and he moves close enough (2-3 hexes) to have them turn to Japanese control, does that also trigger reinforcements?

If we're going by a strict reading of the manual.... no? It implies forces. Empty bases is not forces. However, it might be worth trying

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/31/2014 4:35:52 PM

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IMO, its too late to go for all of India and passing the "Line of Death." Now, come the micro-management of non-USA devices and squads. I started a thread about the use of replacement tanks over the next few months as the newer ones come in, mainly via the CD Convoys at Cape Town. Its important to stockpile them and allow them only to go into big armoured brigades (50, 254, 255) for the rest of the year. You should have enough of the Rifle 42 version to divided and then upgrade your Indian divisions one by one. Be careful with the Vickers, Lewis, and Bren AAMG devices, among others.

Since this is your first time as Allies, you may need to list what each CS Convoy is carrying into Cape Town for the next few months to the end of the year. Your get some useful stuff, but you will find out that the Brits, CW, Aussie troops have lots of needs and possible units to go into a upgrades. However, you will be short of some for the whole war. Welcome to micro-management, Allied version.

In some ways its harder than the Japanese economy that Tracker enables to be quiet simple.

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IMO, its too late to go for all of India and passing the "Line of Death." Now, come the micro-management of non-USA devices and squads. I started a thread about the use of replacement tanks over the next few months as the newer ones come in, mainly via the CD Convoys at Cape Town. Its important to stockpile them and allow them only to go into big armoured brigades (50, 254, 255) for the rest of the year. You should have enough of the Rifle 42 version to divided and then upgrade your Indian divisions one by one. Be careful with the Vickers, Lewis, and Bren AAMG devices, among others.

Since this is your first time as Allies, you may need to list what each CS Convoy is carrying into Cape Town for the next few months to the end of the year. Your get some useful stuff, but you will find out that the Brits, CW, Aussie troops have lots of needs and possible units to go into a upgrades. However, you will be short of some for the whole war. Welcome to micro-management, Allied version. In some ways its harder than the Japanese economy that Tracker enables to be quiet simple.

I definitely find it harder to manage the myriad nations and their upgrades, replacements, withdrawals and types than simply assigning factories to make stuff on the Japanese side. It might be harder to get going, and to understand at a deep level, but once you get things set up the IJ economy can cruise right along.

I've so far been taking reinforcements for AFVs to any unit that will take them in India, while turning most off in OZ. I'll start being more selective as I feel a bit more comfortable now over on the left side of the board. I do occasionally make lists, but what works as well or me is just assigning units a priority, and saying this one is next, trying on reinforcements, and leaving all others off until that first one is done, then moving on to the next. I find that really simple and easy, if not perfectly efficient.

I've had a look at the thread and will definitely be following along.

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IIRC 'step on the line' is as good as crossing it.

Cool. Thanks.

I'm not sure, here. I think he has to go one hex beyond that. As in, he could take Ahmedabad, but not go beyond it. Like you can take Brisbane, but not go beyond that in Australia.

Interesting. I'l see how this develops, but Ahmedabad might deserve a division if in fact it can be taken without triggering.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/31/2014 10:28:09 PM

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IIRC 'step on the line' is as good as crossing it.

Cool. Thanks.

I'm not sure, here. I think he has to go one hex beyond that. As in, he could take Ahmedabad, but not go beyond it. Like you can take Brisbane, but not go beyond that in Australia.

Interesting. I'l see how this develops, but Ahmedabad might deserve a division if in fact it can be taken without triggering.

The LOD in Australia is the next hex row below Brisbane and stepping on it triggers the reinforcements. Thus I agree with witpqs that step-on-the-line is the trigger.
I also agree with Lokesanna's logic that auto-occupation of a base is not sufficient to trigger the reinforcements.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/31/2014 10:43:41 PM

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Cool. You sound like you're sure of your comments and I'll trust those. Better than digging through ten AARs to find what I'm looking for.

I'll focus on building toward a strong campaign to retake India and leave Ahmedabad with one brigade for a garrison. If he coms there in force I guess a division wouldn't do it anyway, and it would be better used in Karachi.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/31/2014 10:43:43 PM

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IIRC 'step on the line' is as good as crossing it.

Cool. Thanks.

I'm not sure, here. I think he has to go one hex beyond that. As in, he could take Ahmedabad, but not go beyond it. Like you can take Brisbane, but not go beyond that in Australia.

Right, which means the LOD is one hex below Brisbane. It's all in how you say where the LOD is.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/31/2014 10:45:03 PM

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IIRC 'step on the line' is as good as crossing it.

Cool. Thanks.

I'm not sure, here. I think he has to go one hex beyond that. As in, he could take Ahmedabad, but not go beyond it. Like you can take Brisbane, but not go beyond that in Australia.

Right, which means the LOD is one hex below Brisbane. It's all in how you say where the LOD is.

Who's on first?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 5/31/2014 11:20:15 PM

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Yes!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/1/2014 6:19:03 AM

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hi obvert,

what's your situation in the Philippines? IIRC, you decided against re-supply missions w/ xAKLs, have you tried using SS to bring in supply? You'd do well to keep Bataan/Clark/Manila for as long as possible.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/1/2014 6:55:38 AM

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hi obvert,

what's your situation in the Philippines? IIRC, you decided against re-supply missions w/ xAKLs, have you tried using SS to bring in supply? You'd do well to keep Bataan/Clark/Manila for as long as possible.

The PI still have about 15k supply between the three bases. No real effort to do anything but bomb has bee happening here.

The CVs are moving in the Pacific and are preparing to go should the KB be out of position. Boomerang is still a viable option, but it all depends on where the KB shows itself again. It's likely still near Darwin now which would allow for a quick grab in the Pacific but not the more extended version of Boomerang with resupply. We'll see.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/1/2014 1:20:35 PM

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Had to go back and check your first page to be sure I remembered correctly that you are playing with PDU off.

Its a big handicap for the Allies in '42 because it eliminates the maneuvering you can do with upgrades to fill empty plane pools with useful frames.

With PDU on you can downgrade two P38 squads on the west coast with 20 and 12 airframes respectively and use them to flesh out the sole early arriving non-restricted P38 squad to make it viable for front line service before the arrival date of the 40 more airframes you get later at 20 per month for 2 months.

You have to trade 50 P39s for the 32 P38s but I believe its worth it. There is another restricted P38 squad with only 5 airframes, but I can never bring myself to trade 25 P39s for only 5 P38s and you tend to run out of time before their withdrawal date to be able to convert all three squads.

Not useful knowledge for this game but worth filing away for a game with PDU on.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/1/2014 2:25:09 PM

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Erik, speaking of PDU OFF. Having played a couple of months into the game whats your first impression?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/1/2014 3:20:25 PM

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Had to go back and check your first page to be sure I remembered correctly that you are playing with PDU off.

Its a big handicap for the Allies in '42 because it eliminates the maneuvering you can do with upgrades to fill empty plane pools with useful frames.

With PDU on you can downgrade two P38 squads on the west coast with 20 and 12 airframes respectively and use them to flesh out the sole early arriving non-restricted P38 squad to make it viable for front line service before the arrival date of the 40 more airframes you get later at 20 per month for 2 months.

You have to trade 50 P39s for the 32 P38s but I believe its worth it. There is another restricted P38 squad with only 5 airframes, but I can never bring myself to trade 25 P39s for only 5 P38s and you tend to run out of time before their withdrawal date to be able to convert all three squads.

Not useful knowledge for this game but worth filing away for a game with PDU on.

I sit and stare at those P-38 groups training in San Fran.

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Erik, speaking of PDU OFF. Having played a couple of months into the game whats your first impression?

It does make the Allied player have to be a bit precise about what to do. I've not really started to see the full effects yet, but I do know I have 4 operational P-38s and only the production of B-17E now to fill out 4E groups. After the recent hit over Hyderabad I'll be a little more careful with them. I withdrew two B-17D groups to get a bunch of PPs and that was worth it since I couldn't fill them out or upgrade the ones set to leave within a few months.

I do like knowing that although the zeros have dominated so far, the Allies still up something like 1100-1000 in airframes lost, and the second half of 42 won't be so dire since there are not as many Tojo groups around. It should stay competitive for a good while, and since GJ is very good at the economy and will move forward what he can, I'm sure I'll still see a good number of top shelf airframes later.

If he does still go all out for India or OZ I'll at least be able to mass fighters, and as I found out sweeping Fiji in our game, even P-39s and P-40E can hold their own in numbers against Japan's best. Since I'm also very aware of VPs in this game I won't just bleed myself dry either. If he gets the upper hand I'll retreat or even withdraw groups rather than fight to the bitter end and lose hundreds of airframes. Since AA is better in Babes, bases aren't completely on their own.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/1/2014 4:03:20 PM

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When you say "up" you mean you suffered more losses then GJ or less?

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/1/2014 4:38:48 PM

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When you say "up" you mean you suffered more losses then GJ or less?

Sorry. Suffered less losses.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/1/2014 5:10:20 PM

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That seems pretty common. I guess its because the Jap player has to push it hard during the initial conquest with lots of sweeps and high tempo. But you should be quite competitive during "Tojo" time since GJ can�t just send endless waves of them due to lack of squadrons flying them. He will have to mix in Oscars and Zeroes and you can probably even use the P39s in an defensive role. Really looking forward to seeing how this plays out. Should be more fun for both of you!

Btw, I caved in today and posted in the opponent wanted section (figured there was no point in asking you with 2 games already ongoing). So much for "probably my last GC"

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/2/2014 4:13:50 AM

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IMO, its too late to go for all of India and passing the "Line of Death." Now, come the micro-management of non-USA devices and squads. I started a thread about the use of replacement tanks over the next few months as the newer ones come in, mainly via the CD Convoys at Cape Town. Its important to stockpile them and allow them only to go into big armoured brigades (50, 254, 255) for the rest of the year. You should have enough of the Rifle 42 version to divided and then upgrade your Indian divisions one by one. Be careful with the Vickers, Lewis, and Bren AAMG devices, among others.

Since this is your first time as Allies, you may need to list what each CS Convoy is carrying into Cape Town for the next few months to the end of the year. Your get some useful stuff, but you will find out that the Brits, CW, Aussie troops have lots of needs and possible units to go into a upgrades. However, you will be short of some for the whole war. Welcome to micro-management, Allied version. In some ways its harder than the Japanese economy that Tracker enables to be quiet simple.

I definitely find it harder to manage the myriad nations and their upgrades, replacements, withdrawals and types than simply assigning factories to make stuff on the Japanese side. It might be harder to get going, and to understand at a deep level, but once you get things set up the IJ economy can cruise right along.

I've so far been taking reinforcements for AFVs to any unit that will take them in India, while turning most off in OZ. I'll start being more selective as I feel a bit more comfortable now over on the left side of the board. I do occasionally make lists, but what works as well or me is just assigning units a priority, and saying this one is next, trying on reinforcements, and leaving all others off until that first one is done, then moving on to the next. I find that really simple and easy, if not perfectly efficient.

I've had a look at the thread and will definitely be following along.

AFVs for Oz are totally different than for India so you do not have to turn one countries' units off. Matilidas and M3/Lee/Grant tank goes exclusively to Australian tank units. And you get enough of these devices to have your Aussie armor up and running by about May 1942. The Indian tank brigades are much more slower to fill out and take the Valentine, Lee or Grant tank (but not the Grant\Lee) so you do not have to worry about them losing tanks to OZ. Valentines go to India with NZ unit also taking them as well but you will need all you can get in India. Only shared tank is the Stuart but you really get enough of these to go around. Just don't put tanks in units that are due to withdraw as you will lose them all.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/2/2014 4:16:46 AM

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Had to go back and check your first page to be sure I remembered correctly that you are playing with PDU off.

Its a big handicap for the Allies in '42 because it eliminates the maneuvering you can do with upgrades to fill empty plane pools with useful frames.

With PDU on you can downgrade two P38 squads on the west coast with 20 and 12 airframes respectively and use them to flesh out the sole early arriving non-restricted P38 squad to make it viable for front line service before the arrival date of the 40 more airframes you get later at 20 per month for 2 months.

You have to trade 50 P39s for the 32 P38s but I believe its worth it. There is another restricted P38 squad with only 5 airframes, but I can never bring myself to trade 25 P39s for only 5 P38s and you tend to run out of time before their withdrawal date to be able to convert all three squads.

Not useful knowledge for this game but worth filing away for a game with PDU on.

I sit and stare at those P-38 groups training in San Fran.

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Erik, speaking of PDU OFF. Having played a couple of months into the game whats your first impression?

It does make the Allied player have to be a bit precise about what to do. I've not really started to see the full effects yet, but I do know I have 4 operational P-38s and only the production of B-17E now to fill out 4E groups. After the recent hit over Hyderabad I'll be a little more careful with them. I withdrew two B-17D groups to get a bunch of PPs and that was worth it since I couldn't fill them out or upgrade the ones set to leave within a few months.

I do like knowing that although the zeros have dominated so far, the Allies still up something like 1100-1000 in airframes lost, and the second half of 42 won't be so dire since there are not as many Tojo groups around. It should stay competitive for a good while, and since GJ is very good at the economy and will move forward what he can, I'm sure I'll still see a good number of top shelf airframes later.

If he does still go all out for India or OZ I'll at least be able to mass fighters, and as I found out sweeping Fiji in our game, even P-39s and P-40E can hold their own in numbers against Japan's best. Since I'm also very aware of VPs in this game I won't just bleed myself dry either. If he gets the upper hand I'll retreat or even withdraw groups rather than fight to the bitter end and lose hundreds of airframes. Since AA is better in Babes, bases aren't completely on their own.

Yes, without masses of tojos in 1942, the P40K really becomes a great tool for the Allies as it is way faster than the zero or oscar. In the end, I think PDU off benefits the Allies more.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/2/2014 4:52:53 AM

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I trade P-26s, P-36s for P-38s ;). I do this all in December. It requires getting one of the P-36 units out of the PI, though.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/2/2014 6:37:58 AM

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That seems pretty common. I guess its because the Jap player has to push it hard during the initial conquest with lots of sweeps and high tempo. But you should be quite competitive during "Tojo" time since GJ can�t just send endless waves of them due to lack of squadrons flying them. He will have to mix in Oscars and Zeroes and you can probably even use the P39s in an defensive role. Really looking forward to seeing how this plays out. Should be more fun for both of you!

Btw, I caved in today and posted in the opponent wanted section (figured there was no point in asking you with 2 games already ongoing). So much for "probably my last GC"

Woohoo!! Well done!

Can't wait to see the new one start up.

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