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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/7/2014 10:59:11 AM   
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One of the problems in trying to defend western Australia is there isn't any good terrain for your defense to be built. Most of the bases are in x1 terrain modifiers.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/7/2014 12:25:50 PM   
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Yeah, it's not great, so I'm not going to hope for miracles now, but just take the hit and move back. This isn't the best place to defend, and I had hoped for a landing after the invasion bonus, but that was too much to ask for I guess. There have been few places I've been able to stall, and with the KB here, it only makes sense to fight somewhere else. That is what I'm working on now.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/7/2014 1:44:29 PM   
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March 27 - 28, 1942



SUBS: My carefully preserved ARDs are getting minced by subs now trying to escape Esperance. The Snapper almost makes history with 4 TT at Akagi, but they either dud or miss. Damn. That would have made the past few days worth it.

INDIA: Some Sallys bomb Delhi, but no sweeps. No troop movements that I can see with the lack of recon here.

Pacific: A few TFs pull out into the wide Pacific.

OZ: The troops straggling from Geraldton are moving extremely slowly due to the incredible pounding they're taking from the KB and another attack is likely tomorrow. At least the armor will move ahead. Many units will be out of Perth tomorrow with all but the fort being evacuated within three days. A couple new Kittyhawk groups see their first action and get about 1:1 with KB zeros and Oscars. A few Netties hit two xAK near Esperance, but the 4 plane P-40 unit there takes a few out as well.

Once everything hits Kalgoorlie I'll see whether it's worth it to wait with anything for the stragglers. Being another +1 defensive hex it sure isn't a good place to make a stand.

If the TFs that are on the way can make it to OZ the support troops should enable a fairly quick turnaround to come back over here, maybe before the end of 42. The KB will not be able to simply sit around down here, and if it tries to that will leave a lot of other areas open to moves.

SIGINT: Yeah, good time to get out of Perth.

26/26th Division is loaded on xAK Tuyama Maru moving to Geraldton.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR March 28, 42
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Morning Air attack on Perth , at 49,147

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IA x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IA: 3 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Esperance at 56,153

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 6 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 15

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
G3M2 Nell: 1 destroyed by flak


No Allied losses

Allied Ships
ARD Tandjong Kv-2
xAK Nurani, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Theofano Livanos, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage


Aircraft Attacking:
12 x G3M2 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

CAP engaged:
49th PG/HqS with P-40E Warhawk (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
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Ships Sunk:

xAKL Nittatsu Maru is reported to have been sunk near Geraldton on Mar 27, 1942




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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/7/2014 5:43:32 PM   
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You know, given the way you manhandled the Allies in the your last game, I think you really have a good attitude about this one...taking Japanese heavy attacks in stride.

BTW, how is the damaged carrier repairs going?



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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/7/2014 5:59:16 PM   
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Getting a 1:1 with those Kitties are a nice result.

I´m glad it turned out to be a good call getting out. I know it sucks to lose bases heavily invested in. But when you make your stand you should have better terrain and circumstances. Now you will have the troops for that stand too.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/7/2014 8:47:24 PM   
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You know, given the way you manhandled the Allies in the your last game, I think you really have a good attitude about this one...taking Japanese heavy attacks in stride.

BTW, how is the damaged carrier repairs going?



Well, the Allies did what they are supposed to do and came back in that game, too, so I've seen it happen before. I know there is hope down the road a ways.

The Enterprise just got out of the yard a few days ago. She set sail for a hex in the distant IO, just off the map edge. I'll see what happens with the KB and if there is movement away from SW OZ the Big E and Formidable with Hermes and Force Z will try to see what is hanging around. If nothing looks promising then I might send them back to the Pacific, depending on what's going on over there.

The four R class are in Karachi with a gaggle of CL and will support anything along the coast should the Japanese move up toward Bombay.

The York is in PH with 103 days to go. I'll leave her there. It's the most secure location right now. The Maryland and California are almost to Bremerton, and those are the last BB to get to a yard to refit and repair significant float damage.

PH had a 1/1 DL last turn, so GJ might already know something is happening in the Pacific. We'll see if the KB sticks around in the South or not.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/7/2014 8:56:26 PM   
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Getting a 1:1 with those Kitties are a nice result.

I´m glad it turned out to be a good call getting out. I know it sucks to lose bases heavily invested in. But when you make your stand you should have better terrain and circumstances. Now you will have the troops for that stand too.


It's a very good call. Thanks.

Any IJN pilots lost right now is a great thing. So to do that with 50/60 pilots is fantastic. I'll not push my luck though. They transferred to Kalgoorlie, a level 1 base right now, and overstacked.

In one way, and I have to remember what it's like from the other side, an extended Empire is not always a good thing. It means more chances to cut off troops, more supply and fuel usage, and more ground for the IJN to cover when the tide starts to turn. He's getting some HI and supply in India, but not much fuel and if Ledo gets trashed in a shock over the river, even less.

The one area I'm worried about after all of the OZ stuff is over is a late summer smash and grab in the North. I will make a few absolute fortresses up there if I have time and troops. I want to make sure at least that if he comes, it'll cost him.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/7/2014 10:13:33 PM   
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an extended Empire is not always a good thing
He has to supply the troops and then escape, and to think your moving ships to interfere with that



The one area I'm worried about after all of the OZ stuff is over is a late summer smash and grab in the North. I will make a few absolute fortresses up there if I have time and troops. I want to make sure at least that if he comes, it'll cost him.

You should want to fight in the Aluetians. That battlefield is stacked to the Allies



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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/7/2014 10:39:22 PM   
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quote:

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an extended Empire is not always a good thing
He has to supply the troops and then escape, and to think your moving ships to interfere with that



The one area I'm worried about after all of the OZ stuff is over is a late summer smash and grab in the North. I will make a few absolute fortresses up there if I have time and troops. I want to make sure at least that if he comes, it'll cost him.

You should want to fight in the Aluetians. That battlefield is stacked to the Allies





It is better than some places, but those are not atolls, and thus much easier to invade. Logistics is much easier and the bases should be built well by the time anything might happen here, plus with the invasion bonus over I'll likely know in advance if something is up as prep will show up eventually.

So yes, this is why I wanted to reinforce and spend some of my best early troops to drive away first attempts, then pile on. Dutch is a great sub base too. The fleet boats are hang in out on the coast of China for a good while.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/8/2014 2:19:22 PM   
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March 29-30, 1942



SUBS: The Searaven gets a little TK in the IO.

INDIA: Ledo falls and unfortunately it doesn't look like the oil was destroyed. Sucks. Units there retreated NW, so it's a long slog, likely cut off soon, to any kind of friendly territory.

I'm starting to move forward. Major units will stay back in Karachi and Bombay to gain experience once they have 100% prep. Smaller units are moving to build and defend bases up to the LOD and just out from Bombay at Poona. This will be the method for now. I can't go ahead with anything bigger until fields are built, units are up to strength and with decent experience, and the air force is fully trained up with good reserves.

Pacific: An IJN sub (possibly without a Glen though) near French Frigate Shoals ends up a few hexes from several TFs moving toward Midway, but no DL rise on any and it really doesn't matter. The KB looks to be on it's way. I moved some subs to attempt early warning and perhaps intercept near the NW tip of new Guinea and also on the approaches to Truk. If he instead cuts past Port Moresby that will be even easier to see.

I'm sending an AVD on a volunteer mission to Abemama to run air ops for a Cat group. The base hasn't changed to Japanese hands so I'll try to sneak in and disband before being sighted. A few S-boats will work the Northern approaches to the Wake area.

CHINA: No changes.

OZ: The KB disappears, so it's most likely racing back to the Pacific after the radio traffic messages. I diverted convoys from Cape Town farther away from it's possible approaches if it went hunting in the IO instead.

All but three units from Perth have railed out. The Geraldton stragglers take another beating front the air. Most units at Kaplgoorlie are sent back to Port Augusta, including CD guns. That is above the LOD, so in case he decides on something quick and risky to try a cutoff of the rail, I want troops there.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR March 29, 42
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Submarine attack near Vizagapatnam at 41,45

Japanese Ships
TK Ose Maru, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Searaven

TK Ose Maru is sighted by SS Searaven
SS Searaven attacking on the surface

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Ground combat at Ledo (65,38)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 31970 troops, 325 guns, 336 vehicles, Assault Value = 973

Defending force 17930 troops, 165 guns, 105 vehicles, Assault Value = 355

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 1152

Allied adjusted defense: 139

Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Ledo !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
H81-A3: 1 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
2404 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 190 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 37 disabled
Vehicles lost 17 (1 destroyed, 16 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
9076 casualties reported
Squads: 121 destroyed, 75 disabled
Non Combat: 400 destroyed, 49 disabled
Engineers: 56 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 119 (103 destroyed, 16 disabled)
Vehicles lost 101 (100 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Units retreated 22
Units destroyed 1

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Reinforcements: Wen the delays happen due to 'base not available' it pushes these units back another 3-4 weeks in the queue. Sucks.

26th Indian Division is delayed due to arrival base (Madras) not available

Ships Sunk:

TK Ose Maru is reported to have been sunk near Vizagapatnam on Mar 29, 1942
xAKL Genmei Maru is reported to have been sunk near Manado on Jan 06, 1942






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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/9/2014 10:41:28 AM   
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INVASION BONUS OVER



This feels like the day where the ability for offensive action really begins for the Allies. From now on there should be some warning of japanese moves on specific bases at least, and this can make all of the difference in determining what to go for and how it can be reinforced. I'll begin planning in three month chunks where I want to move, and what i think the Allied forces will be capable of achieving.

Right now CVs move toward Wake with a bombardment TF, a SCTF of cruisers and several ASW TFs plus replenishment. I just got a sighting of at least a major oration of the KB at Exmouth. This means that any CVs that might be moving into the Pacific, if there are any, would be met by relatively equal numbers with two maxed out USN CVs and one Brit CV now, and the Lex finishing a refit in about 18 days. Subs are on station to intercept or at least provide some warning of CV moves by the IJN.

Boomerang was designed to bring the CVs from india if they were still blockading there, with the added possibilities of taking some Cent Pac bases either temporarily, as in the Marianas or Marcus, or permanently, as would be the plan with Wake. It was also envisaged as a move to create a path to reinforce and resupply the PI. If there is little or no response to the moves this would still be possible. If the response is more dramatic, all Allied forces will move back as quickly as possible. I don't want a carrier clash right now, but opening up the IO could have advantages right now as 5-6 major convoys move toward the area of SE OZ.

The Enterprise with Formidable and Hermes will make an appearance on map in preparation for protecting against any IJN raids into the shipping lanes by surface ships or a mini-KB.

Also, I planted a surprise for some bombers over Delhi and just got the turn back from Nic. I can't run it for the next 30 minutes, but judging by his email, I think the move was a success! The more kills and experience these raw pilots can get the more the Allies will be able to challenge with the small amount of mediocre airframes currently available.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/13/2014 6:38:32 PM   
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Hey Erik,

Whats happening? GJ has updated twice now. I want to know whats going on!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/14/2014 12:25:41 PM   
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Sorry!

It's been a crazy few days here with the end of the school year and lots of leaving parties. Top that off with late nights out at bars watching the first few World Cup games and it leaves little time to update. Soon though. Should get one up today!

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/15/2014 3:44:28 PM   
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April 1-3, 1942



Finally time to get back to the game. It's not been as active as the Japanese consolidate gains and the Allies build from the rear and prepare for better days.

SUBS: Subs lay mines off of the islands near Tokyo and bag a TB on the 1st.

INDIA: I decided to test our readiness over Delhi. There is radar now so I had hoped that would give defenders a decisive edge. They didn't do badly, but still aren't ready to defend on the front for long periods. On the 1st a raid of Sallys came in preceded by Oscars and the defense got to a few but was set for sweeps mainly at 20k, so didn't decimate the bombers.

Pacific: Boomerang is thrown and comes back intact with good information, ready for the next toss in a few weeks or months. CV air hit Wake and found 6 units there. No information on specifics, but that means more than I'd like to deal with at this point with a short window until the KB could appear. It makes more sense to hit less defended islands farther south if I'm going in early. The idea of going for Cent Pac now is on indefinite hold unless the KB heads to India again. All ship will head back for their 4/42 upgrades.

CHINA: Still nothing new here.

OZ: Units from Geraldton are pushed back and some will be cut off or destroyed. Some from Carnarvon are heading out into the wilds of the desert, likely not to make it either. Learned something here.

Convoys do make it into Melbourne and Adelaide. Lots of fuel, supply air groups and base forces.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR April 1, 42
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TF 39 encounters mine field at Izu Oshima (113,62)

Japanese Ships
TB Sagi, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

Magazine explodes on TB Sagi

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Afternoon Air attack on Delhi , at 52,17

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 31

Allied aircraft
I-15-III x 4
Hawk 75M x 3
Hurricane I Trop x 22
Hurricane IIb Trop x 21
P-38E Lightning x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hawk 75M: 1 destroyed
Hurricane I Trop: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 20000 feet *
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Afternoon Air attack on Delhi , at 52,17

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 24
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 33

Allied aircraft
I-15-III x 2
Hawk 75M x 1
Hurricane I Trop x 15
Hurricane IIb Trop x 19
P-38E Lightning x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

No Allied losses

Manpower hits 11
Fires 8649

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet *
City Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
12 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet *
City Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Delhi , at 52,17

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 12

Allied aircraft
I-15-III x 2
Hawk 75M x 1
Hurricane I Trop x 15
Hurricane IIb Trop x 19
P-38E Lightning x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Here are all of the units still fleeing NW OZ.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/15/2014 6:06:28 PM   
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April 4-6, 1942



SUBS: The KXIII takes out xAK Nasusan Maru near Koggala. Nautilus gets involved in some sub on sub action. I like it!

INDIA: Tried to see what the fighters would do against the full wrath of Japan in India. Not too bad. About 1:1. The groups are tired now so I'll pull back and refresh, train a bit more in defense and try again once another base force gets there with more radar. This set from the Red Fort didn't do a lot of good during these sweeps. If I can get 30 minutes instead of 6 to get fighters up, it could be a lot better.

While I know I can't outproduce Japan in airframes, I can try to win the pilot quality battle. That means fighting over Allied bases or troops as much as possible and using fighters where they can get an advantage due to radar or other factors like distance from Japanese bases. The A6M2 and Ki-43 Ic are very fragile, and getting them damaged over our bases likely means a Japanese pilot KIA.

Pacific: No difficulties retiring back to PH for the scouting missions to Cent Pac. I haven't seen the KB racing to Truk through the Moluccas either so maybe he didn't take the bait. Subs are still there on patrol in case.

OZ: All units evac Kalgoorlie and leave the few remaining units to their fate. They will try to take the long yellow road down the coast.

SIGINT: Interesting. That is not a lot of troops if that's all there is there. I'll have to check on this.

3/51st Naval Guard Unit is located at Tabiteuea(137,134).

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR April 5, 42
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Submarine attack near Hakodate at 119,53

Japanese Ships
xAKL P-122, Shell hits 12, heavy fires

Allied Ships
SS Grenadier

xAKL P-122 is sighted by SS Grenadier
SS Grenadier attacking xAKL P-122 on the surface
Coe, J.W. decides to submerge SS Grenadier due to damage

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Sub vs Sub: SS Nautilus attacking SS I-20 at 113,83 - near Agrihan

Japanese Ships
SS I-20, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Nautilus

SS Nautilus launches 4 torpedoes at 4,000 yards

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR April 6, 42
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Morning Air attack on Delhi , at 52,17

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 33

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 31
P-38E Lightning x 2
P-39D Airacobra x 16
P-400 Airacobra x 16
P-40E Warhawk x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 2 destroyed
P-400 Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
19 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Delhi , at 52,17

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 24

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 26
P-38E Lightning x 2
P-39D Airacobra x 4
P-400 Airacobra x 13
P-40E Warhawk x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 3 destroyed
P-400 Airacobra: 1 destroyed


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Morning Air attack on Delhi , at 52,17

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 31

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 19
P-38E Lightning x 2
P-39D Airacobra x 4
P-400 Airacobra x 10
P-40E Warhawk x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 20000 feet
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Ships Sunk:

xAK Nasusan Maru is reported to have been sunk near Koggala on Apr 04, 1942
SS I-20 is reported to have been sunk near Agrihan on Apr 06, 1942







The Haguro came off the list, then right back on but with a note that says it was lost t collision. Interesting.

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The Haguro came off the list, then right back on but with a note that says it was lost t collision. Interesting.


Hmm . . . now what would a heavy cruiser collide with so massive it would come off second best?

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The Haguro came off the list, then right back on but with a note that says it was lost t collision. Interesting.


Hmm . . . now what would a heavy cruiser collide with so massive it would come off second best?


A great question!

This might have been one of the CA damaged in early battles, and attempting to move home for repairs. If it did really have a collision then there does have to be a second ship, and that one might have had some serious damage as well. I'll probably never really know though.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/16/2014 1:07:12 PM   
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SUBS: It's hard now to get subs into the DEI as Perth and Colombo are both gone as forward bases. Also with the extended map there is a base that effectively closes the passage through the straits of Malaya. I'll try to send some to the Balikpapan region, and from Adak I can hit the Chinese coast and all around the Home Islands. Right now I'm letting a bunch refit and keeping 6-8 subs around Truk and Babeldaob to see if the KB shows up. So far only 4 Allied subs have been lost. Not too bad.

INDIA: I'm itching to get moving here. I'll try to stay patient though as troops really need time to get to decent experience levels. Delhi will build to be a major airbase and Poona will be a launching ground for the first major offensive which will target both Goa and Hyderabad. If I can engage Japanese armies in India and get them locked into a defensive struggle it'll be that much better when I then land behind them on Ceylon.

A SIGINT shows the 55th division at Lucknow. There is a lot of clear territory around there, and once I can gain an advantage in the air, the MB will bomb troops relentlessly.

I'm guessing it'll be about 6-8 weeks before the offensive can get going as the Hurri IIc comes online, troops get built up and trained, a few more groups arrive, bases are built up, and the one P-38 group here fills out.

Pacific: All quiet again.

OZ: Perth falls giving the Japanese a VP boost.

Ships Sunk:

DMS W-20 is reported to have been sunk near Singapore on Jan 01, 1942
SS I-157 is reported to have been sunk near Soerabaja on Dec 14, 1941







Here is the basic idea of what I'm planning in India. Pressure beginning on the fields in Lucknow and Cawnpore (white), then moves to Goa and the dot bases surrounding Hyderabad before a drive on that city (blue). If Nic brings in the whole air force to assist his defense we could have trouble, but this will keep it out of China, so it's still useful. I'll try to move with some units that have radar to assist in LR CAP coverage.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/16/2014 1:16:09 PM   
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I would say you need two full BG (8 x 4 = 32) of B-17Es now and increasing to 48 each in August to be able to close down an AF in India. Of course the P-38s will be needed to sweep those AF first.

Heavy AA - I hope you have enough of them to place two units in each stack that is attacking. Maybe a mix of an American AA unit and a Brit/CW unit in each stack. If not, then GJ will use massive bombers on your stacks to slow and possibly stop you.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/16/2014 2:53:54 PM   
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I would say you need two full BG (8 x 4 = 32) of B-17Es now and increasing to 48 each in August to be able to close down an AF in India. Of course the P-38s will be needed to sweep those AF first.

Heavy AA - I hope you have enough of them to place two units in each stack that is attacking. Maybe a mix of an American AA unit and a Brit/CW unit in each stack. If not, then GJ will use massive bombers on your stacks to slow and possibly stop you.


I think I have 5 heavy and 2 light AA units now, with more on the way. I'm sending two to Delhi, the rest will move to Bombay to prepare. I'll move a few base forces with radar with the stacks too.

I have one BG in India now, and will be sending more over the next weeks. There are of course a ton of MB as well, and these will be just as valuable, as we have an HR to not hit ground troops with 4E. The 2E will also be good fro keeping a base in danger of being closed after a 4E hit. He is not doing a lot of forward building as far as I can tell, so I don't think this will be an all-out defense. More like a stalling and a falling back to coastal bases to make sure nothing is cut off.

If he does go all out here, then he can't in China and in OZ as well, so someplace will have less pressure.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/16/2014 2:59:31 PM   
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Indian tank units remain pitifully weak until the end of the year, but the Australian units should all be upgraded to matildas and M3 mediums by the end of May. I find that there is little need for American tank units in the Pacific at this stage and like to send them elsewhere. You also get some fine TD units by mid year. In my book they all go to Australia or India, whatever is more important. However, I believe in concentrating them all in one theater or the other at this early stage of the war. It is the one thing that the Japanese have a real hard time dealing with at this early stage-massed Allied tanks in open terrain. Both India and Oz offer great opportunities here.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/16/2014 3:07:25 PM   
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Indian tank units remain pitifully weak until the end of the year, but the Australian units should all be upgraded to matildas and M3 mediums by the end of May. I find that there is little need for American tank units in the Pacific at this stage and like to send them elsewhere. You also get some fine TD units by mid year. In my book they all go to Australia or India, whatever is more important. However, I believe in concentrating them all in one theater or the other at this early stage of the war. It is the one thing that the Japanese have a real hard time dealing with at this early stage-massed Allied tanks in open terrain. Both India and Oz offer great opportunities here.


A couple of new US army units are just arriving. I was wondering about sending them to India. You might have made up my mind.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/17/2014 1:21:04 PM   
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PLANNING
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This waiting game is not so fun. I'm not good at the slow build it takes to play the Allies, but it's good for me as I have to really take a look at what is possible, assess whether it's going to be sustainable, and then plan into the distant future. I've begun looking in four month chunks.

In India I'd like to begin moving forward in about a month. The forces are nearly there. The air groups are nearly trained. I made a decision to send a crapload of US AA units over, but they will arrive in more like a month and a half. It doesn't look like Nic is doing much forward now, but he could just be building forts and planning to send in forces to whatever I move toward.

In Australia I'll plan to consolidate and build the area below the LOD for now plus getting some air routs trained further. So many units need to upgrade and fill out it'll be a long time before we can move. Sometime in October I'd like to go for Perth. It'll have to b orchestrated to pull the KB somewhere else first, but landing at Albany and Esperance would not be too hard even with the KB in the DEI. Ideally I'd like to get Carnarvon and Exmouth at the same time, but I won't try it unless I know the KB is committed elsewhere.

In China I hope to continue to build and hold, but that is all dependent on when the Japanese air forces move in. If they don't it won't be hard to keep current lines. If they do, I'll struggle in spots like Psingiang where supply is dwindling already. Sian has now 2200 AV and is still building toward around 3k AV if allowed to continue. It's at 3.94 forts, but moving up very slowly.

In Cent Pac I'd like to fill in at a few bases still in Allied hands, but this is still a month off too. I have to check Tabiteuaea to see if that's easily taken. I'd like to get a decent foothold over here in the southern Gilberts. Abemama is not occupied yet and that is also a possibility. At least with atolls and Marine defense units takin these bases will not be a cakewalk, so it could give a nice area of small investment threat for GJ to think about. The more he would bring there to deal with something the more I'd know about and be able to do elsewhere.

This part of the game is fun, but tense. Nic will be above the 3:1 threshold in VP once the PI fall (it's about 20.5k-7.7k now) , and this could spur him to even more aggressive play if he feels an AV is achievable. I like the overextension of the Japanese Empire. It's cost the Allies a lot of troops, almost 10k in VPs, but it allows a lot of opportunities to cut off the Japanese as well. It also takes a lot of supply and fuel to extend this far. The main reason to get going in India is to take away the Industry and small oil field at Ledo that can help 'pay' for this extension.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/17/2014 2:36:20 PM   
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PLANNING
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This waiting game is not so fun. I'm not good at the slow build it takes to play the Allies, but it's good for me as I have to really take a look at what is possible, assess whether it's going to be sustainable, and then plan into the distant future. I've begun looking in four month chunks.

In India I'd like to begin moving forward in about a month. The forces are nearly there. The air groups are nearly trained. I made a decision to send a crapload of US AA units over, but they will arrive in more like a month and a half. It doesn't look like Nic is doing much forward now, but he could just be building forts and planning to send in forces to whatever I move toward.

In Australia I'll plan to consolidate and build the area below the LOD for now plus getting some air routs trained further. So many units need to upgrade and fill out it'll be a long time before we can move. Sometime in October I'd like to go for Perth. It'll have to b orchestrated to pull the KB somewhere else first, but landing at Albany and Esperance would not be too hard even with the KB in the DEI. Ideally I'd like to get Carnarvon and Exmouth at the same time, but I won't try it unless I know the KB is committed elsewhere.

In China I hope to continue to build and hold, but that is all dependent on when the Japanese air forces move in. If they don't it won't be hard to keep current lines. If they do, I'll struggle in spots like Psingiang where supply is dwindling already. Sian has now 2200 AV and is still building toward around 3k AV if allowed to continue. It's at 3.94 forts, but moving up very slowly.

In Cent Pac I'd like to fill in at a few bases still in Allied hands, but this is still a month off too. I have to check Tabiteuaea to see if that's easily taken. I'd like to get a decent foothold over here in the southern Gilberts. Abemama is not occupied yet and that is also a possibility. At least with atolls and Marine defense units takin these bases will not be a cakewalk, so it could give a nice area of small investment threat for GJ to think about. The more he would bring there to deal with something the more I'd know about and be able to do elsewhere.

This part of the game is fun, but tense. Nic will be above the 3:1 threshold in VP once the PI fall (it's about 20.5k-7.7k now) , and this could spur him to even more aggressive play if he feels an AV is achievable. I like the overextension of the Japanese Empire. It's cost the Allies a lot of troops, almost 10k in VPs, but it allows a lot of opportunities to cut off the Japanese as well. It also takes a lot of supply and fuel to extend this far. The main reason to get going in India is to take away the Industry and small oil field at Ledo that can help 'pay' for this extension.


Get your VP denominator up!! I know it's hard until Summer 1942, but you'll need it. At least 10k for you to be reasonably sure you don't get AV'd in early 1943.

I agree that he is strategically overextended ...to an extent. I'm curious to see how he handles it.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/17/2014 5:00:50 PM   
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I think your reasoning is sound. But as Loka is hinting at I would look for more VP important targets. I made a post about the subject it in my AAR about a week ago. Don´t dare to write too much here in case Mr.Kane reads this.

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I think your reasoning is sound. But as Loka is hinting at I would look for more VP important targets. I made a post about the subject it in my AAR about a week ago. Don´t dare to write too much here in case Mr.Kane reads this.



It really is not so much about VP targets. AV is very hard to get unless the Japanese player sweeps the map killing lots of divisions and inflicts a major carrier defeat on you. Keep you carriers intact and don't get surrounded and AV is not so much an issue. That and building up all VP worthy bases. Hard for Japan to come up with a solution.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/17/2014 10:15:09 PM   
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Get your VP denominator up!! I know it's hard until Summer 1942, but you'll need it. At least 10k for you to be reasonably sure you don't get AV'd in early 1943.

I agree that he is strategically overextended ...to an extent. I'm curious to see how he handles it.


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I think your reasoning is sound. But as Loka is hinting at I would look for more VP important targets. I made a post about the subject it in my AAR about a week ago. Don´t dare to write too much here in case Mr.Kane reads this.


I saw it, but that is also bases that are important targets for Japan, with high multipliers for them. I also need to look at bases with a high multiplier for the Allies. That is the part I'm only just now looking into. Seeing what I can pick up in case he does try to go for it and understanding where I need to make up ground by taking back bases with high multipliers for him, like Perth, Diego, Madras, Colombo and Calcutta.

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It really is not so much about VP targets. AV is very hard to get unless the Japanese player sweeps the map killing lots of divisions and inflicts a major carrier defeat on you. Keep you carriers intact and don't get surrounded and AV is not so much an issue. That and building up all VP worthy bases. Hard for Japan to come up with a solution.


Looking at it I see a number of ways he could push it, but I'd have to sit back and not do anything in return. As it is I have to make some moves, and luckily a lot of that can happen on the Indian subcontinent without having to risk invasions. I would like to get Perth back, but that might not happen by 1/43 if he sticks it out with a lot there. Defending forward in 43 gets risky for the Japanese though.



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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/18/2014 12:19:16 AM   
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SUBS: A token IJN sub is hanging out near Dante, the I-123, but it's so far not enough to do much as all convoys are escorted. A LOT of ships are passing this way though. Air ASW is operating from all of the bases out here.

INDIA: Japanese forces chase the units from Ledo along the edge of the mountains, and while they won't likely cut them off, will crush them in another battle soon.

Pacific: Logistics are hitting high levels now as supply, fuel and troops move across the Pacific and from Cape Town to South OZ. Sydney is just barely being supplied enough fuel to produce, but man, I certainly don't need more supply there. I need it in NW OZ in the desert.

CHINA: Nothing but daily bombardments at Pingsiang.

OZ: Fleeing units from Darwin all make it to safety except the Gull battalion, which I've just bought back. I managed to save the Lark as well as three other units trapped on New Guinea by walking out of the jungle and getting picked up by Cats. So amazing as I'm reading about the coast watchers in the war doing the same thing after the Japanese had over-run their positions. So great how this game even gets to that kind of detail.

SIGINT: I wonder why these are going there?

11/2nd Division is loaded on xAK Shirogane Maru moving to Balikpapan.
3/5th RF Gun Battalion is loaded on a Husimi Cargo class xAK moving to Balikpapan.





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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/18/2014 3:53:34 AM   
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I expect Balikpapan is just a fuel stop on their way to another place like N. or W. Oz.

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RE: ::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjo... - 6/18/2014 12:34:30 PM   
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INDIA: There is a serious effort going on to close Delhi now. I'l not bring in fighters as the Japanese sent about 180 fighters () in sweeps on the 14th. I responded by choosing a few distant targets to bomb. It's fun having 400k supply in several bases in the same area! So I'll try to hit around the edges, bleed supply and not lose planes for now. It's kind of a test of his reactions too, seeing if he'll quickly disperse the focus on Delhi or stick with it for a while. I've just moved two big heavy AA units there and one light AA unit with about 36 x 40mm. If he goes to 6k it'll hurt, and once the 48 x 3" AA come out of strat that should bleed Sallys pretty well too.

At the present the Japanese take about 5-7 losses a day. Mostly just ops and flak. The Allies have been taking 1-2 a day, so this will add up over time if I'm careful and don't waste airframes somewhere.

Pacific: The Yorktown has about 80 days left to repair at PH. I'll not send her back to the West coast. The other CVs are doing upgrades and then I'll be able to do something in Cent Pac if the coast is clear.

OZ: What looks like a mini-KB is at Geraldton. Showing 110 fighters and 60 bombers. I have no info on the full KB. The Japanese paradrop Albany and Esperance to take those bases. I'm sending the first Aussie para group to India. Para-payback.





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