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RE: OT: Independence - 9/21/2014 11:58:31 AM   
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There is absolutely no doubt that the Conservative party in Scotland is still feeling the effects of the policies Lady Thatcher put in place to save the UK from becoming a banana republic. Sadly people tend to conveniently forget that had Lady Thatcher not won the General Election in 1979 then the UK would have been able to apply to join the 3rd World in about 1987.


http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/274/uk-economy/economic-impact-of-margaret-thatcher/

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One thing is clear, if the promises are reneged on, it will NOT be 10-15 years before we have another referendum.


On that, we can agree.

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But, clearly, the independence debate is not just about economics as a number of posters to this thread have already highlighted. Across parts of the UK there is a genuine, deep-seated distrust of Westminster politics that is felt especially strongly in Scotland. This is not simply down a dislike of the incumbent Conservative government, although it has to be said that their policies are especially unpopular in the more working class / socialist areas. E.g. Glasgow = Yes majority, Edinburgh = No majority. It also has to do with what some might call a democratic deficit that has been allowed to fester in an increasingly plutocratic democracy that has eschewed federalism in favour of centralised Westminster-centric government, and lacks a written constitution to frame and protect the inalienable rights of its citizens in a rapidly changing world.


Right on the money.

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RE: OT: Independence - 9/21/2014 7:28:34 PM   
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RE: OT: Independence - 9/21/2014 10:19:29 PM   
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Guess we should just agree to disagree on Lady Thatcher


As I posted I was thinking "God, I hope warspite1 isn't one of those folk who think that Thatcher was the most sucessful leader since Churchill..."

We can agree to disagree, but the facts are the facts.

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RE: OT: Independence - 9/21/2014 11:34:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		This has been an unusually polite political discussion and as an outsider to British politics, I do find it interesting. However, Matrix has a policy against discussing recent politics, so maybe it's time to put this thread to rest.

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RE: OT: Independence - 9/22/2014 5:40:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mind_messing


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Guess we should just agree to disagree on Lady Thatcher


As I posted I was thinking "God, I hope warspite1 isn't one of those folk who think that Thatcher was the most sucessful leader since Churchill..."

We can agree to disagree, but the facts are the facts.
Warspite1

Yes we will agree to disagree. We can all quote "facts" that support our side of the argument and of course the Lady Thatcher haters will always "know" that the UK's gigantic and deep-seated problems would have been sorted out perfectly well without serious medicine needing to be applied.. Yes of course they would....... Scargill, Foot, Heath, Healey, Benn, Red Robbo, Gilmour.... how could they fail?

The politeness of the discussion - as exhibited also in two Scottish Independence threads in the GD forum - is unlikely to be maintained now Lady Thatcher has been brought into the discussion.

That's me done.



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RE: OT: Independence - 9/22/2014 12:31:51 PM   
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Never mind


Sucks having the worst PR department in the entire world, doesn't it.

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RE: OT: Independence - 9/22/2014 4:27:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Never mind


Sucks having the worst PR department in the entire world, doesn't it.
warspite1

Sorry EUB - probably being slow but I didn't understand that comment.


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RE: OT: Independence - 9/23/2014 9:43:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Never mind


Sucks having the worst PR department in the entire world, doesn't it.
warspite1

Sorry EUB - probably being slow but I didn't understand that comment.



Ah, sorry, didn't mean you personally. I meant the United Kingdom has a very bad PR department.

Doesn't matter what we do or how reasonable we are, we'll always be the worlds b5stards.


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RE: OT: Independence - 9/23/2014 1:08:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EUBanana


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: EUBanana


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Never mind


Sucks having the worst PR department in the entire world, doesn't it.
warspite1

Sorry EUB - probably being slow but I didn't understand that comment.



Ah, sorry, didn't mean you personally. I meant the United Kingdom has a very bad PR department.

Doesn't matter what we do or how reasonable we are, we'll always be the worlds b5stards.

warspite1

True Dat


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RE: OT: Independence - 9/24/2014 8:45:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Found one very nice caricature for the Scottish independence referendum - hope no-one will be offended - remember it was supposed to be a bit funny




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RE: OT: Independence - 9/26/2014 1:53:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Soon you'll be parts of one great caliphate, so whats the point...

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