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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/8/2020 9:19:47 PM   
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What is optimal engagement range for an Allied Air Combat TF in June 1943.

Assume mostly F6F's and SB5/SBC2 as dive bombers. That would seem near 10 max range but the AI applies coordianted strike penalties. Are those gone for the Allies now?

I think I will take a spare F6F 36 plane squadron and leave some TBF's behind.


Are you looking for a carrier battle or strike at a land base? AFAIK, the Japanese still have the advantage of the 8 hex strike while your dive bombers can only do seven hexes with their full bomb load. And then there is the CV react factor ...


Carrier v carrier fight. So it's still 8 v 7 in the code even with SB2C and SBD5 and F6F?


Apparently so, if you want the full bomb load.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/9/2020 4:37:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

What is optimal engagement range for an Allied Air Combat TF in June 1943.

Assume mostly F6F's and SB5/SBC2 as dive bombers. That would seem near 10 max range but the AI applies coordianted strike penalties. Are those gone for the Allies now?

I think I will take a spare F6F 36 plane squadron and leave some TBF's behind.


You should aim for a strike no longer than 6 hexes which is the normal range limit of your escorting Hellcat fighters. Flying extended range increases pilot disruption which can be particularly a significant factor in a Naval Attack mission as that might be flown twice during the day phase with no possibility of reducing accrued pilot fatigue between the am and pm strikes. The only mitigating factor is if you have an excess of pilots the game will automatically shuffle into the cockpits for the pm attack pilots who did not fly the am attack who are less fatigued than some who flew in the am.

The code is hardwired for Japanese carrier air strikes to be limited to a maximum of 8 hexes and Allied carrier air strikes to a maximum of 7 hexes. There is however a very slim possibility of these limits being overridden by a hex under certain circumstances which are essentially beyond player control. As such one should never plan for that possibility. Always assume and plan on Japan holding a one hex flying advantage over the Allies.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/9/2020 1:28:54 PM   
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Now I am going to try to find the table on the evolving strike coordination rules

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/9/2020 1:56:04 PM   
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Now I am going to try to find the table on the evolving strike coordination rules


S.7.2.1.11, page 167 of the manual.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/10/2020 5:04:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Reactions may mess up your planning as in my game we had a recent carrier battle which neither of us planned for. My carriers were at Truk with zero reaction hex selected and he sailed within search plane range from my CS and may carriers reacted 2 hexes, 120 miles, and he said his too were set to Zero reaction range and they reacted 1 and 2 hexes towards my carrier TFs. So a carrier battle occurred when neither of us planned it, had reaction range set to zero and both our carrier TFs reacted because of search planes flying beyond our carrier attack ranges.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/10/2020 9:59:30 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/10/2020 10:46:15 PM   
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Reactions may mess up your planning as in my game we had a recent carrier battle which neither of us planned for. My carriers were at Truk with zero reaction hex selected and he sailed within search plane range from my CS and may carriers reacted 2 hexes, 120 miles, and he said his too were set to Zero reaction range and they reacted 1 and 2 hexes towards my carrier TFs. So a carrier battle occurred when neither of us planned it, had reaction range set to zero and both our carrier TFs reacted because of search planes flying beyond our carrier attack ranges.

The reaction range setting does not affect an Air Combat TF reaction. That react is a separate bit of code designed to force carrier battles rather than have players dance around each other for ages.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/12/2020 7:16:24 AM   
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What is optimal engagement range for an Allied Air Combat TF in June 1943.

Assume mostly F6F's and SB5/SBC2 as dive bombers. That would seem near 10 max range but the AI applies coordianted strike penalties. Are those gone for the Allies now?

I think I will take a spare F6F 36 plane squadron and leave some TBF's behind.

according to this video the Navy suggest no more than 12 dive bombers per ship.and use them as glide bombers. Not sure how the make that happen in the game. This is in the recommendation section in the last three minutes of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV4m_thoDAM

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/12/2020 3:48:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Glide bombing was in the game in 2009, but was removed from the code several years later. The 12 DBs advice is applicable later in the war when more fighters were needed on the ship and the Avenger TB was available for most bombing roles. Early on, the US carriers need their SBDs in numbers because the Devastator TB is not very effective. The role is also different - early on US carriers are going to clash with IJN carriers or major warships. Later in the war, the IJN major ships have been sunk or are staying under their LBA protection while the US carriers shepherd amphibious landings or strikes at enemy bases.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/12/2020 3:51:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice to know that little bit of code now. I guess the only way to avoid a carrier battle is not to have carriers. Since I am the Japanese this time and it is March 44, I am working on not having any after the surprise carrier battle. My aggresiveness for my TFs were set at normal so that would have to be set even lower next time I don't want to come from under a large land base CAP and sortie to be beaten severely. Every time I play this game, since WITP early days, I learn something new, after the fact.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/12/2020 4:13:07 PM   
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Nice to know that little bit of code now. I guess the only way to avoid a carrier battle is not to have carriers. Since I am the Japanese this time and it is March 44, I am working on not having any after the surprise carrier battle. My aggresiveness for my TFs were set at normal so that would have to be set even lower next time I don't want to come from under a large land base CAP and sortie to be beaten severely. Every time I play this game, since WITP early days, I learn something new, after the fact.

Most of the early game successful Allied carrier battles I have read in AARs seem to have the IJN carriers distracted with attacking an amphib landing or BBs in a separate TF. Often the Allies also have some help from LBA fighters and bombers to tie up the Japanese fighters so the SBDs can get through.

You need strategic surprise to do this - keep your carriers incommunicado for a long time before you show your hand. In the meantime, you may have to put up with KB sinking everything in range.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/12/2020 5:16:23 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/12/2020 10:06:47 PM   
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Nice to know that little bit of code now. I guess the only way to avoid a carrier battle is not to have carriers. Since I am the Japanese this time and it is March 44, I am working on not having any after the surprise carrier battle. My aggresiveness for my TFs were set at normal so that would have to be set even lower next time I don't want to come from under a large land base CAP and sortie to be beaten severely. Every time I play this game, since WITP early days, I learn something new, after the fact.

Most of the early game successful Allied carrier battles I have read in AARs seem to have the IJN carriers distracted with attacking an amphib landing or BBs in a separate TF. Often the Allies also have some help from LBA fighters and bombers to tie up the Japanese fighters so the SBDs can get through.

You need strategic surprise to do this - keep your carriers incommunicado for a long time before you show your hand. In the meantime, you may have to put up with KB sinking everything in range.


Sometimes the best way to learn it is after the fact so you won't forget it. Sadly, some people still to not learn.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/13/2020 12:11:08 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/13/2020 12:31:06 PM   
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I am getting so much crap at work about keeping up my chart documentation. They put on this big effort for "provider wellness" because it is obvious to everyone that everyone is getting burned out by f'ing COVID...but at the same time they take away the scribes, mismanage system integration steps and don't have enough bandwith or IT support to properly use the EMR. Provider wellness my arse. I am also getting pretty f'ing tired of "Dr Mandrake is not good at computers" because I couldn't get Microsoft Teams to work. Well, I come to find that's because Bill Gates was too busy getting NEW voters in Georgia to get his OLD browsers to work with Teams (You have to use Edge). It would be nice if someone in IT TOLD everyone. I have worked out how to do my own Citrix updates on my own because the ****birds are completely overwhelmed.

I wonder if everyone making fun of Dr Mandrake has written machine language code or even knows what a hexadecimal number is. Not to worry..we are "upgrading" to Epic soon. Nothing worse than an IT ugrade.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/13/2020 12:33:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyway. I forget exactly what happened on May 29 except that Bataan AF was still crushed and I started the retreat from Clark. We lost 15 C-47's the day before trying to fly troops out of Bataan.

Sabang is getting bombed relentlessly but the infantry has already left and is marching down the coast.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/13/2020 12:38:11 PM   
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Sumatra: Sabang gets the treatment from a shedload of Nells..probably moved up from Kendari.

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Morning Air attack on Sabang , at 44,70

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 72

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 2 destroyed, 13 damaged

No Allied losses

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/13/2020 12:40:32 PM   
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Morning Air attack on Sabang , at 44,70

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 36

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Runway hits 1

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/13/2020 12:42:23 PM   
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Morning Air attack on Sabang , at 44,70

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 30
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 6 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/13/2020 12:43:55 PM   
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/13/2020 12:49:35 PM   
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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 108 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 29
G3M3 Nell x 27

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 2
P-40K Warhawk x 8
F4U-1 Corsair x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 3 damaged
P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed on ground

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 7

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/13/2020 12:52:59 PM   
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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 136 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 58 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 42
A6M5 Zero x 118
A6M5b Zero x 17
A6M5c Zero x 16
B5N2 Kate x 106
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 24
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 38
Ki-61-Ia Tony x 3

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 1
P-40K Warhawk x 7
F4U-1 Corsair x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 damaged
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 2 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk III: 1 damaged
Kittyhawk III: 1 destroyed on ground
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
A-36 Mustang: 1 destroyed on ground
P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed on ground
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 19


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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/13/2020 12:55:50 PM   
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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 129 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 55 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 24
B5N2 Kate x 30
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 24
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 6

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 4
F4U-1 Corsair x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/13/2020 12:57:04 PM   
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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 157 NM, estimated altitude 22,560 feet.
Estimated time to target is 43 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 11
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 6

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 2
F4U-1 Corsair x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed



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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/13/2020 1:00:27 PM   
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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 42
A6M5 Zero x 8
Ki-21-IIb Sally x 29
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 23
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 32
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27
Ki-61-Ia Tony x 3

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIb Sally: 2 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 5 damaged
P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed on ground
Kittyhawk III: 6 damaged
Kittyhawk III: 1 destroyed on ground
Hurricane IIc Trop: 3 damaged
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed on ground
A-36 Mustang: 1 destroyed on ground
P-40K Warhawk: 9 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-21-IIb Sally bombing from 6000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x Ki-21-IIb Sally bombing from 6000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 42
Ki-21-IIb Sally x 15
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 32
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 21
Ki-61-Ia Tony x 3

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIb Sally: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 13 damaged
P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed on ground
A-36 Mustang: 1 damaged
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 6

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/13/2020 1:04:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not so Great Nicobar: We saw the Jap carriers coming up from Singers so we put some bait out at Great Nicobar and brought in the RAF. Et voila! Fighter and flak trap.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 43,66

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 67 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 12
D3A1 Val x 35

Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 1
Martlet II x 2
Beaufighter VIc x 3
Hurricane I Trop x 4
Hurricane IIb Trop x 3
Hurricane IIc Trop x 7
Mohawk IV x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
D3A1 Val: 9 destroyed, 14 damaged
D3A1 Val: 3 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane I Trop: 1 destroyed
Mohawk IV: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CL De Ruyter
xAK Oregonian
CL Caradoc
CA Sussex
DD Isaac Sweers


and the afternoon. I think we pretty much wrecked those squadrons.

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Great Nicobar at 43,66

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 14
D3A1 Val x 5

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 2
Hurricane I Trop x 2
Hurricane IIb Trop x 3
Hurricane IIc Trop x 7
Mohawk IV x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
D3A1 Val: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter VIc: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed


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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/13/2020 1:20:38 PM   
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Morning Air attack on 2nd RTA Division, at 62,57 (Vientiane)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 5

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Vengeance I bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on 2nd RTA Division, at 62,57 (Vientiane)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 7

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/13/2020 1:23:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pretty capable force. USMC pioneers and a worn out Indian Brigade hold on. Help coming from Udon Thani.

quote:

Ground combat at Vientiane (62,57)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 17512 troops, 270 guns, 811 vehicles, Assault Value = 761

Defending force 4922 troops, 40 guns, 62 vehicles, Assault Value = 102

Japanese adjusted assault: 275

Allied adjusted defense: 214

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
226 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Vehicles lost 15 (2 destroyed, 13 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
297 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Tank Division
2nd Tank Division
2nd RTA Division

Defending units:
26th Indian Brigade
823rd Aviation Engineer Battalion
3rd Pioneer Battalion

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/13/2020 1:25:23 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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Joined: 11/15/2002
From: Southern California
Status: offline 		New Guinea: It's 62nd Inf Brigade at Manokwari. They will need softening up.

quote:

Morning Air attack on 62nd Infantry Brigade, at 85,109 (Manokwari)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 36
B-25D1 Mitchell x 13

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
114 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
13 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 42nd JNAF AF Unit ...
Also attacking 62nd Infantry Brigade ...


and

Morning Air attack on 62nd Infantry Brigade, at 85,109 (Manokwari)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 6
B-25C Mitchell x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on 62nd Infantry Brigade, at 85,109 (Manokwari)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 6
B-25C Mitchell x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


and the AF

quote:

Morning Air attack on Manokwari , at 85,109

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 6
B-24D Liberator x 9
B-24D1 Liberator x 12

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 20


< Message edited by Cap Mandrake -- 11/13/2020 1:28:36 PM >

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back fro... - 11/13/2020 1:32:02 PM   
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From: Southern California
Status: offline 		Java and Borneo: Cdo raids SE of Soerabja and at Samarinda. We actually take Samarinda. Not sure how long that will last. Dummy amphibious TF headed to SE Java to draw Jap resources away.

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