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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/20/2015 4:39:02 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/20/2015 4:54:02 PM   
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But we're strafing off the topic about Russian IR-killers. So I'm rather interested to see how it can pinpoint the incoming missiles' warhead sensor for jamming effect.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/20/2015 6:10:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		well if we look at characteristics of 5P-42-01 "Grach" (obviosly in export version):


few interesting things:
the number of emitters 4 (2) (depending on the available power of the ship)
spectral range 0,35-2,5 µm (UV, visual,IR regions of the spectrum)
Time of continuous work 3 hours
Power 2,4 (1,2) kW

Automatic targeting sources of danger by the target designation of integrated combat management system of the ship
integration of station with a video surveillance systems of the ship
the ability to supply the station with its own video channel


This is smallest station in this family, IR,visual and small part of UV ,so called "black light" or UV-A range

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/20/2015 8:27:14 PM   
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http://dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/kingdom-saudi-arabia-multi-mission-surface-combatant-mmsc-ships
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Four (4) MMSC ships (a derivative of the Freedom Variant of the U.S. Navy Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) Class) that incorporate five (5) COMBATSS-21 Combat Management Systems (four (4) installed, one (1) spare) with five (5) TRS-4D Radars (four (4) installed, one (1) spare)

Five (5) Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) (Mode 4- and Mode 5-capable) UPX-29 (four (4) installed, one (1) spare)

Five (5) Compact Low Frequency Active Passive Variable Depth Sonar (four (4) installed, one (1) spare)

Eight (8) MK-41 Vertical Launch Systems (VLS) (two (2) eight-cell assemblies per ship for 16 cells per hull)

Five-hundred thirty-two (532) tactical RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles (ESSM) (one hundred twenty-eight (128) installed, twenty (20) test and training rounds, three hundred eighty-four (384) spares)

Five (5) AN/SWG-l (V) Harpoon Ship Command Launch Control Systems (four (4) installed (one (1) per ship), one (1) spare)

Eight (8) Harpoon Shipboard Launchers (two (2) installed four-tube assemblies per ship)

Forty-eight (48) RGM-84 Harpoon Block II Missiles (thirty-two (32) installed, sixteen (16) test and training rounds)

Five (5) MK-15 Mod 31 SeaRAM Close-In Weapon System (CIWS) (four (4) installed, one (1) spare)

One-hundred eighty-eight (188) RIM 116C Block II Rolling Airframe Missiles (RAM) (forty-four (44) installed, twelve (12) test and training rounds, one hundred thirty-two (132) spares)

Five (5) MK-75 76mm OTO Melara Gun Systems (four (4) installed, one (1) spare)

Forty-eight (48) 50-caliber machine guns (forty (40) installed (ten (10) per ship), eight (8) spares); ordnance; and Selective Availability Anti-Spoofing Module (SAASM) Global Positioning System/Precise Positioning Service (GPS/PPS) navigation equipment



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/20/2015 9:39:10 PM   
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Will be interesting to see what Future Frigate and related LCS backfits cost.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/20/2015 10:12:45 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/21/2015 11:57:23 PM   
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http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2015/10/21/Lockheed-Martins-F-16V-takes-flight/6261445429693/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/22/2015 5:24:17 AM   
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http://ajw.asahi.com/article/asia/china/AJ201510210060

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/22/2015 7:15:02 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/24/2015 9:29:14 AM   
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AUSA 2015 (Association of the US Army annual convention) may be an army event (which our affiliate website Army Recognition was covering) an eminently naval product was showcased for the first time, at the Textron Systems booth: The Advanced Amphibious Craft.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3185

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/26/2015 3:14:42 PM   
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News about 11442M Nakimov upgrade and UKSK capabilities

From official website of procurement of "Sevmash" (contract ¹31502887567) on the agreement with JSC"KBSM" for the manufacture and supply of ten universal vertical launchers (UKSK) 3S-14-11442M for repair and modernization of heavy nuclear missile cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" Project 11442M.
"Production will be carried out on the basis of a joint decision ¹235/1/1/8565 of 6 November 2014. "Modification UKSK 3S-14-22350 for ability to use complexes 3K-14, 9K, 3K55, 3K-22 on 11442M"

So , Nakhmov will recive complex 3K-22 with missile 3M-22 , in other words "Zirkon"
Why is that a big deal? Because Onyx was always been temporally solution. True goal for UKSK was always Zirkon ,and finally Zirkon is coming, what we known about ZIrkon:
~1300 km (2013 year info from Navy demands, what actually achived in tests we dont know)
~7-8 mach (from interview with general designer of Zirkon)
~ flying high like Kh-32

Also, as you can see UKSK on Nakhimov capable of using "Kalibr" missiles (3K-14), Onyx (3K55) and something called 9K
Also as you can see Nakhimov will use 3S-14-22350 version of UKSK, this means 22350 "Gorshkov" also can use "Zirkon" ?
Possibilities,possibilities...

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/26/2015 9:13:28 PM   
Broncepulido

 

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/26/2015 9:32:52 PM   
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http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/naval/ships/2015/10/25/lcs-littoral-combat-ship-fanta-mission-module-surface-warfare-missile-harpoon-naval-strike-missile-kongsberg-norwegian-fort-worth-freedom-coronado-independence-navy/74477482/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/27/2015 5:22:58 AM   
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/us-warship-sails-within-12-miles-of-chinese-built-island-in-south-china-sea/2015/10/26/a178497b-7033-4e4c-a328-0f3c980cf193_story.html


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/27/2015 8:35:21 AM   
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http://news.ifeng.com/a/20151027/46013204_0.shtml (Chinese)

"Type 052D DDG Kunming monitored, followed and warned the US vessel. .."

Potential scenario: USS Lassem vs PLAN Kunming.

UPDATE: Not 052D as finally confirmed officially at post #317.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/27/2015 4:14:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		No. Because it will not stop there. The Lassen will not be the last US vessel that will sail into the area. China does not own the world. And if they want to see how the American people can and will react to provocation, they can always try to stop us.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/27/2015 4:20:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NakedWeasel

No. Because it will not stop there. The Lassen will not be the last US vessel that will sail into the area. China does not own the world. And if they want to see how the American people can and will react to provocation, they can always try to stop us.

That's exactly what Soviet Union did when provocation happens between two Diomedes.

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NEWS UPDATE:

It's confirmed that Chinese vessels watched and alarmed the Lassen was not 052D, but 052C and one extra 053H1.

That would be a slight disadvantage without all the dangerous stuffs from 052D, but still an assured missile trading event if sparks alight.

http://news.china.com/focus/nanhai/11156618/20151027/20640639.html (Chinese)

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/27/2015 4:40:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		More than likely, there were at least one or more US Navy subs in the area as well. Sinking the lassen would be an open invitation to a massive TLAM strike on that island. The PLAN would be well advised to use it's destroyers to defend against cruise missiles and stealth bombers, rather than a single destroyer.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/27/2015 5:14:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NakedWeasel

More than likely, there were at least one or more US Navy subs in the area as well. Sinking the lassen would be an open invitation to a massive TLAM strike on that island. The PLAN would be well advised to use it's destroyers to defend against cruise missiles and stealth bombers, rather than a single destroyer.

You forget it's a air-hot area in SCS, US air patrols is much more frequent than ships and subs. So it makes sense for AA destroyers watch over it.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/27/2015 10:08:17 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/28/2015 10:45:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: B52H

The LCS will get OTH ASMs on its next deployment:
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/naval/ships/2015/10/25/lcs-littoral-combat-ship-fanta-mission-module-surface-warfare-missile-harpoon-naval-strike-missile-kongsberg-norwegian-fort-worth-freedom-coronado-independence-navy/74477482/


Seems like the OTH will now be part of the surface warfare package. I think I read earlier that Australia was looking at adding a RF seeker to the JSM. If that could be added to the NSM, that could make it a nice passive missile with another seeker to increase pk.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/28/2015 9:11:56 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/28/2015 9:44:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		China has tested a native combat aircraft derived from the SU-27 family: http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/chinas-next-super-weapon-beijing-developing-its-own-su-34-14189

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/28/2015 10:28:52 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/28/2015 10:42:05 PM   
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China has tested a native combat aircraft derived from the SU-27 family: http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/chinas-next-super-weapon-beijing-developing-its-own-su-34-14189


Their reaction seems as immature as most of the Chinese military fanboys, it is indeed have an alleged test flight of Sino-Fullback, but numerous comments are heavily doubting it.

The LERX configuration instead of triple planes can be seen here:


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/29/2015 9:06:37 AM   
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"- Depending on the target, against which is used weapon: land or sea - depending on the route, taking into account the need to avoid obstacles on the ground, the whole shooting range of these missiles is less than 2,000 kilometers, - said the admiral."

Land or sea target? It seems 3M-14 radar , ARGS-14, while have only 20 km range makes 3M-14 anti ship capable , well ships also "radar contrasting targets" so not big surprise.


"Cruise missiles of this type are in service in Vietnam and India. However, the range of export version is limited to 300 kilometers."

So, Indian pr 11356 frigates and Vietnam pr 636.3 subs have export 3M-14E

http://www.rg.ru/2015/10/26/raketa-site-anons.html in russian


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/29/2015 10:54:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: B52H

China has tested a native combat aircraft derived from the SU-27 family: http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/chinas-next-super-weapon-beijing-developing-its-own-su-34-14189


Their reaction seems as immature as most of the Chinese military fanboys, it is indeed have an alleged test flight of Sino-Fullback, but numerous comments are heavily doubting it.

The LERX configuration instead of triple planes can be seen here:




This looks heavily like a Photoshop job.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/29/2015 11:30:55 AM   
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This looks heavily like a Photoshop job.

Seems I cannot lure anyone with these fanboy facades at this forum, but the media step right in it, and this I must point out.

What annoy me most is they just don't care, and treat these rumors as threat-baiting from Chinese.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/29/2015 1:07:51 PM   
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Blog: all four SOVREMENNIY class destroyers currently in comprehensive refit.


http://china-defense.blogspot.com/2015/10/an-update-on-four-plan-sovremenny-class.html

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The four imported Sovremenny Class DDG are currently undergo a midlife refit -- judging from the photos below, everything that can be removed has been removed. It would be interesting to see how many original Russian equipment will stay abroad and how many Chinese domestic counterparts will be introduced after the refit.


Looks like they will get some major MLU refit. VLS refit is pretty much a given. But the Sunburns have also been removed. Wonder what will replace them.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 10/29/2015 1:17:36 PM   
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But well, I hardly see Zumwalt as the icon of future naval warfare either.

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