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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/27/2017 1:55:31 PM   
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Russian AGI sinks after collision off Turkish Black Sea coast.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-turkey-russia-ship-idUKKBN17T1PT

The salvage op could be interesting, I'm sure there are people who would like to have a look around!

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/27/2017 4:14:57 PM   
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http://www.janes.com/article/69826/construction-of-china-s-type-055-destroyers-forges-ahead

Construction of China's Type 055 destroyers forges ahead



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Airbus Defence and Space imagery captured on 11 April 2017 showing two Type 055 DDG hulls under assembly within a dry dock at Dalian shipyard in China. Source: CNES 2017, Distribution Airbus DS/2017 IHS Markit

Commercial satellite imagery taken on 11 April shows that significant progress has been made in the construction of the first four Type 055 destroyers for China's People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN).

At the Jiangnan Changxingdao shipyard near Shanghai, where construction of the lead ship of the class commenced in late 2014, Hull 1 appears to have all the modules in place and most of the modules for Hull 2 are in position.

In late 2016, hull modules appeared on the side of a graving dock at the Dalian Shipbuilding Industry Company (DSIC) yard and by 7 March keel blocks were being positioned in the dock to support the construction of two hulls side by side. By 11 April, modules for two Type 055 hulls had been lifted from the dockside onto the keel blocks and assembly was clearly underway.

Measurements from the images indicate that the Type 055 will be about 180 m long and 19 m wide, meaning that it will be significantly larger than the 7,500-tonne Luyang III-class (Type 052D) destroyers (157 m long and 17 m wide). This places the size of the Type 055 between the Republic of Korea Navy's Sejong Daewang (KDX-3) class (166 m/10,500 tonnes) and the Russian Federation Navy's Slava class (186 m/11,700 tonnes).

The images from Changxingdao show the module that will contain the forward vertical launch system (VLS) cells, with a second grid of cells set to be positioned forward of the hangar.

The forward grid appears to be divided into 16 sections, four across and four deep, with overall dimensions of 13 m in length and 10.5 m in width.

Comparison with the dimensions of the two 32-cell VLS grids fitted to the Type 052D suggests that the VLS in the Type 055 will have 64 cells in the forward grid.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/27/2017 11:50:19 PM   
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Nice little update on the F35s in Estonia.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/9675/the-usafs-f-35s-in-estonia-are-a-message-to-russia-and-critics

Was this a technical deployment? A political deployment? Or both? I think technically, the deployment will have a far more significant and longer lasting impact than any short term geopolitical message it sends to Russia - which it does to some extent.

Kevin


The Aviationist has looked at the F-35s brief visit to Estonia from RAF Lakenheath

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/28/2017 3:59:52 AM   
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FC-1B, the two-seater variant of JF-17 Block 2, has conducted maiden flight recently:

https://youtu.be/AJr4hBxoVfo

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/28/2017 1:53:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kevinkin

Nice little update on the F35s in Estonia.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/9675/the-usafs-f-35s-in-estonia-are-a-message-to-russia-and-critics

Was this a technical deployment? A political deployment? Or both? I think technically, the deployment will have a far more significant and longer lasting impact than any short term geopolitical message it sends to Russia - which it does to some extent.

Kevin


The Aviationist has looked at the F-35s brief visit to Estonia from RAF Lakenheath

Link


Thanks for the link. Perhaps the unusual use of the RC-135U was to be on station if the Russian's showed their "electronic hand". Will never know if they did I suppose.

Kevin

PS: The RC-135U I see in the database is from 1971. Is that the one to apply to today's scenarios?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/28/2017 2:33:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kevinkin


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ORIGINAL: kevinkin

Nice little update on the F35s in Estonia.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/9675/the-usafs-f-35s-in-estonia-are-a-message-to-russia-and-critics

Was this a technical deployment? A political deployment? Or both? I think technically, the deployment will have a far more significant and longer lasting impact than any short term geopolitical message it sends to Russia - which it does to some extent.

Kevin


The Aviationist has looked at the F-35s brief visit to Estonia from RAF Lakenheath

Link


Thanks for the link. Perhaps the unusual use of the RC-135U was to be on station if the Russian's showed their "electronic hand". Will never know if they did I suppose.

Kevin

PS: The RC-135U I see in the database is from 1971. Is that the one to apply to today's scenarios?



Yeah this is my guess too. They were listening/watching to see if the RU could see them.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/28/2017 2:36:54 PM   
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Just FYI guys. It doesn't actually matter with some of the more secret platforms which one's you use because we don't really have real data on them in most cases anyways.Generic generational models are used for things that. If in when we do get data we do try and incorporate.So as long as an aircraft had advanced ECM or SIGINT you're doing exactly the same job from a modeling standpoint in most cases.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/28/2017 11:38:59 PM   
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Good advice. Thanks Mike.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/29/2017 3:00:54 AM   
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A non-official vote has been raised for naming a near-complete Chinese Type 001A aircraft carrier on china.com. Only for few days, a great majority of Chinese netizens voted "Taiwan" rather than rumored official name "Shandong", suggesting China should follow South Korean and Vietnam's naming to rebuke geopolitical disputes/conflicts.

In contrast however, the least amount of voters chose "Hong Kong" for new carrier name, signaling disfavors against Hong Konger's anti-sovereignty identity:

http://www.iqiyi.com/kszt_phone/wghmqgm.html (simplified Chinese, vote is for Chinese users only)

The non-official vote backfired -- one of a option named "Pipixia" based on the Chinese meme was surpassed the top vote "Taiwan". BBC reported it as China is 'considering' the ridiculous name in favor to Chinese netizens. The official source China Youth Journal immediately reported and curbed the voting as it strongly mentioned it has nothing to do with 001A naming standard at all. Yet, the damage is done and now some Chinese decided to nicknamed the incomplete aircraft carrier as Pipixia.

Not all are taking this joke, though. Many pro-military commenters are seriously disgusted by that meme, like from china.com for instance:

http://3g.china.com/act/military/11172988/20170428/30468088_2.html (Simplified Chinese)

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/29/2017 10:40:32 AM   
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Audacious, the fourth of seven Astute class attack submarines being built for the Royal Navy, has been launched by BAE Systems at Barrow-in-Furness.

http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2017/april/28/170428-audacious-launched

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/30/2017 6:11:51 PM   
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I don't know if this news report was referenced on his day a few months ago, 27 January 2017.
Intrigued by the fate of the upcoming Sea Ceptor naval SAM, no news in a long time.
Looking for it in Internet only found this recent report:
http://navaltoday.com/2017/01/27/hms-westminster-starts-sea-trials-after-major-refit/

Apparently from October 2016 is finished the refit adding Sea Ceptor launcher and Artisan 3D radar (some of them had it previously, I think) in the frigates Westminster, Montrose and Argyll (the latter designed as test ship for Sea Ceptor), waiting now for the induction in service of Sea Ceptor.

Note Wesminster is equipped with towed Sonar 2087 and the correspondent Merlin helicopter, but Montrose and Argyll are ships with the older towed Sonar 2031, the correspondent Sea Lynx (now retired)/Wildcat and probably previously with Radar 996 (AWS-9) I think initially not to be considered to be updated with Sea Ceptor and Artisan 3D.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/1/2017 12:27:56 PM   
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4461920/Japan-sends-biggest-warship-protect-supply-ship.html

Not sure how a chopper carrier specifically depends a supply ship except for ASW.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/1/2017 12:54:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kevinkin

Not sure how a chopper carrier specifically depends a supply ship except for ASW.

Kevin

Me neither, it's a high speed carrier (32 knots max), and should be incorporate with destroyers.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/1/2017 1:27:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Broncepulido

I don't know if this news report was referenced on his day a few months ago, 27 January 2017.
Intrigued by the fate of the upcoming Sea Ceptor naval SAM, no news in a long time.
Looking for it in Internet only found this recent report:
http://navaltoday.com/2017/01/27/hms-westminster-starts-sea-trials-after-major-refit/

Apparently from October 2016 is finished the refit adding Sea Ceptor launcher and Artisan 3D radar (some of them had it previously, I think) in the frigates Westminster, Montrose and Argyll (the latter designed as test ship for Sea Ceptor), waiting now for the induction in service of Sea Ceptor.

Note Wesminster is equipped with towed Sonar 2087 and the correspondent Merlin helicopter, but Montrose and Argyll are ships with the older towed Sonar 2031, the correspondent Sea Lynx (now retired)/Wildcat and probably previously with Radar 996 (AWS-9) I think initially not to be considered to be updated with Sea Ceptor and Artisan 3D.



I suppose the latest news is that the Ministry of Defence has ordered Ł323 million worth of missiles for the RN’s Sea Ceptor and the British Army’s Land Ceptor. Link.

Westminster, Montrose and Argyll have all had Sea Ceptor installed. HMS Argyll will be the lead trials vessel for Sea Ceptor sometime this year. She is currently alongside in HMNB Devonport following post-refit sea trials. I don't think HMS Westminster and HMS Montrose have yet completed their post-refit sea trials.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/1/2017 7:16:04 PM   
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Japan is to expedite a feasibility study on adopting a land-based Aegis missile defence system

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/04/29/national/japan-expedite-study-adopting-land-based-aegis-system/#.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/2/2017 1:16:28 PM   
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Me neither, it's a high speed carrier (32 knots max), and should be incorporate with destroyers.


Wiki claims 7 ASW choppers. I guess they could, in theory, protect a single supply ship when dedicated to the task. Does NK have quiet subs to be worried about?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/2/2017 3:14:02 PM   
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I suspect that the most effective protection it can give is early warning using its sensor suite - which is probably pretty good. The ASW aspect is important because any other protection can fly in from any number of fairly close places to protect against anything else - as long as the threat is detected.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/2/2017 5:17:17 PM   
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The towed array etc. on the other escorts provide the early warning. This ship provides the helo's to help localize and if needed prosecute any contacts.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/2/2017 7:16:02 PM   
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Russia EW system in Crimea

https://news.usni.org/2017/05/01/official-russia-installs-system-crimea-snoop-u-s-destroyers-jam-communications

Not sure if system is in command but would be interesting with the upcoming Command com features!

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/2/2017 11:27:28 PM   
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Does NK have quiet subs to be worried about?

Kevin


The North Koreans don’t have much in the way of ‘quiet’ subs – but they do have a large number (50-70+) of ‘noisy’ and ‘rusty’ ones. In the past they have been put to sea in large numbers at the same time – and it has been difficult to keep track of all of them. They would not pose much of a threat to warships (on a war footing), but they would pose a threat to unescorted supply ships – and of course the commercial shipping near South Korean ports.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/3/2017 1:30:52 AM   
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I think a few Romeos and Mings on electric drive, creeping along the littorals would still be fairly dangerous. CMANO really shows how effing hard it is to detect anything in shallow waters.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/3/2017 2:57:40 AM   
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I think a few Romeos and Mings on electric drive, creeping along the littorals would still be fairly dangerous. CMANO really shows how effing hard it is to detect anything in shallow waters.


But it's the torpedoes and SLASMs tell them superior or not. Basically, you need to get subs close enough to use torps which is require quietness AND speed. A large amount of missiles is also required to simultaneously launched for the effective saturation.

Nowadays, countermeasures isn't just typical, but also nastier. Old torps' sonar can be seduced, and missiles is nearly impossible to penetrate multiple layers of area/point defenses. Attacking right on will make them even more vulnerable.

The only practical use of 22DDH could possibly be carrying Spec-Ops troops for decap strikes against NK fornications, given by the range of Seahawk and lacks of long-range AAs.

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Next news, could be a boost for US military: SpaceX and Blue Origins join force with Forces, literally:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/05/air-force-study-says-us-government-should-get-serious-about-reusable-rockets

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On Monday morning, SpaceX successfully launched a national security payload for the first time, cracking the market for US military missions. The first stage of the rocket then landed within a couple of miles from where it had taken off less than 10 minutes earlier, marking the tenth time SpaceX has safely returned a first stage to Earth.

The US military has taken note of these achievements, as well as those of Blue Origin and its reusable New Shepard suborbital vehicle—and that company’s ambitions to also build a large, reusable orbital rocket. “This has opened up a window of opportunity and gotten the attention of serious people,” Charles Miller, an aerospace consultant and president of NexGen Space, told Ars.

To that end Miller partnered with a number of Air Force officers at Air University and former Air Force officials to study the potential effects of lower-cost access to space on the US military. The “Fast Space” report, which has been briefed to senior officials in the US military and government in recent months, concludes that the US Air Force can benefit from these commercial developments.

SpaceX successfully launches its first spy satellite

“The USAF can form private sector partnerships to create a virtuous cycle of launch cost reductions of between 3 and 10 times lower than today’s costs,” the report finds. “Doing so could enable completely new approaches for the Air Force to defend American values, protect American interests, and enhance opportunities to exploit the unique global advantages of the ultimate high ground.”

The key concept in the report is “ultra low-cost access to space” enabled by reusable launch vehicle technology. The report says the United States, through developments by SpaceX, Blue Origin, and other companies such as Vulcan Aerospace and Virgin Galactic, has a definitive edge over global competitors in this new area of rocket technology. However, the report warns, other countries such as China could copy these ideas and surpass the United States if strategic government investments are not made.
-more at link-


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/3/2017 10:27:29 AM   
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A leaked photo of CH-? (censored) UAV designed for sea-skimming anti-ship operation, with one specially designed Anti-ship torpedo. Unlike a cruise missile or kamikaze drone, it can be returned and to reuse.

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translation:

CH-? (Censored) ground effect UAV

Purpose: Engage large sea-surface target with fast torpedo strike, sea area denial

Features:
High Loadout weight
Effectively penetrate area defense
Highly concealable

Targeted specification (not yet confirmed):
Max takeoff weight: 3000KG
Max loadout weight: 1000KG
Max duration of flight: 1.5 hours
Max height: >3 kilometers
Cruise height: 1-6 meters




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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/3/2017 12:44:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hongjian

I think a few Romeos and Mings on electric drive, creeping along the littorals would still be fairly dangerous. CMANO really shows how effing hard it is to detect anything in shallow waters.



That's why skimmers use speed and active sonar in the shallows. Keep speed at 12kts or higher and a good active set and DE subs will have a hard time getting into position without being spotted while moving. Not sure how much motionless bottom-hugging helps against active detection in Command at this point...

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/3/2017 1:01:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dysta

A leaked photo of CH-? (censored) UAV designed for sea-skimming anti-ship operation, with one specially designed Anti-ship torpedo. Unlike a cruise missile or kamikaze drone, it can be returned and to reuse.

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translation:

CH-? (Censored) ground effect UAV

Purpose: Engage large sea-surface target with fast torpedo strike, sea area denial

Features:
High Loadout weight
Effectively penetrate area defense
Highly concealable

Targeted specification (not yet confirmed):
Max takeoff weight: 3000KG
Max loadout weight: 1000KG
Max duration of flight: 1.5 hours
Max height: >3 kilometers
Cruise height: 1-6 meters






LOL. I'd wait till further photos appear. Looks um...fake.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/3/2017 1:02:30 PM   
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I think a few Romeos and Mings on electric drive, creeping along the littorals would still be fairly dangerous. CMANO really shows how effing hard it is to detect anything in shallow waters.



Exactly. These subs aren't meant to chase but creep and wait.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/3/2017 2:27:17 PM   
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Under water "picket fence" as it were.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/3/2017 2:32:48 PM   
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crewed mine.

granted it's not a bad idea. it's what i end up doing in command often enough, even with very high-tech subs. if you can put yourself in the path and then stop your engines (or very close) it's safer than running in all the way to the intercept at a higher throttle setting.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/3/2017 4:05:07 PM   
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French Navy Guyana-based Light Patrol Vessel PLG La Confiance is Now on Active Duty

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The "La Confiance" PLG (Patrouilleur Léger Guyanais or French Guyana-based Light Patrol Vessel) is now on "Active Duty" and able to conduct operational missions following a ceremony held April 27th in presence of the Chief of Staff of the French Navy (Marine Nationale) Admiral Prazuck.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/may-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5164-french-navy-guyana-based-light-patrol-vessel-plg-la-confiance-is-now-on-active-duty.html

South Korean Shipyard HHIC Laid the Keel of an Improved Dokdo-type LPH/LPX for ROK Navy

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The South Korean defense procurement agency (DAPA) and local shipyard Hanjin Heavy Industries and Construction (HHIC) in Busan, held the keel laying ceremony on April 28th for a second Landing Platform Helicopter (LPH) amphibious assault ship for the Republic of Korea Navy (ROK Navy). The launch of the new vessel (designated S139 / LPX) is scheduled for one year from now (April 2018). Delivery of the ship to the ROK Navy fleet is scheduled for 2020.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/may-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5167-south-korean-shipyard-hhic-laid-the-keel-of-an-improved-dokdo-type-lph-lpx-for-rok-navy.html


PT Pal Cuts First Steel for Indonesian Navy - TNI AL - Sixth Landing Platform Dock

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Indonesian shipyard PT PAL (Persero) in Surabaya held the steel cutting ceremony of the sixth landing platform dock (LPD) for the Indonesian Navy (TNI AL). The contract for the construction of this ship was concluded by the Indonesian Navy with PT PAL on January 11, 2017. The vessel is set to be delivered by December 11, 2018.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/may-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5168-pt-pal-cuts-first-steel-for-indonesian-navy-tni-al-sixth-landing-platform-dock.html

Second America-class Amphibious Assault Ship Tripoli Launched by HII

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On April 9 the future USS Tripoli (LHA 7) conducted a translation from land to the dry dock at Huntington Ingalls Industries' (HII) shipyard. The translation was conducted in preparation of launching the ship which was successfully conducted on May 1.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/may-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5170-second-america-class-amphibious-assault-ship-tripoli-launched-by-hii.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 5/3/2017 4:22:14 PM   
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Looks um...fake


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