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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/18/2017 10:33:01 PM   
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"A Syrian regime SU-22 dropped bombs near SDF fighters south of Tabqah and, in accordance with rules of engagement and in collective self-defense of Coalition partnered forces, was immediately shot down by a U.S. F/A-18E Super Hornet," the command said in a release."

""Coalition aircraft conducted a show of force and stopped the initial pro-regime advance toward the SDF-controlled town," the release said.

Following the advance on the SDF, the coalition alerted Russian counterparts to de-escalate the situation. However the forces -- backed by President Bashar al-Assad -- did not appear to back down, with the Su-22 entering the area, CentCom said."

No doubt RT/Sputnik will comment on how the plane was piloted by orphans, delivering medical supplies and newborn babies to young mothers, or something.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/19/2017 12:41:59 AM   
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Thanks for the post.

Kevin

Edit: any tactical info emerging on this encounter? It's been since 1999 that the US took down a hostile a/c.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/20/2017 3:03:32 AM   
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http://newatlas.com/neyk-luxury-submarine/50052/ (reasons of hard to believe)
http://www.neyksubmarine.eu/



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/20/2017 10:58:16 AM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/20/2017 11:00:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kevinkin

Change in RoE? Perhaps that question is answered.

Thanks for the post.

Kevin

Edit: any tactical info emerging on this encounter? It's been since 1999 that the US took down a hostile a/c.


Some details here:

U.S. Navy F/A-18E Super Hornet Downs Syrian Su-22 Near Raqqa, Syria. And Here Is Everything We Know.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/20/2017 2:14:34 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/20/2017 3:47:43 PM   
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https://news.usni.org/2017/06/20/air-force-f-15e-downs-armed-syrian-uav-australia-suspends-syrian-anti-isis-air-strikes-after-russian-threats

It must be summer time in the Mid-East!

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/20/2017 4:14:48 PM   
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Any Syrian scenarios in the making?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/20/2017 4:25:26 PM   
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No Syria scenarios in the works at the moment - I suppose you could take 'Old Grudges Never Die', add some F-22s and change the dates

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/20/2017 4:29:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		syria scenarios are a little weird iMO. besides it spiraling into WWIII there's not much to do with it because it's mostly attacking ~helpless targets.

Command has trouble modeling low-intensity conflicts like syria because of the timescales and the ease/difficulty of recon. without a very detailed model of infantry/camouflage/cover/underground systems/false flags etc. you can't really model COIN convincingly IMO.

granted if what you want is a A-A shootout over syria old grudges never die serves OK i think.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/20/2017 4:43:24 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/20/2017 9:45:08 PM   
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Command has trouble modeling low-intensity conflicts like syria because of the timescales and the ease/difficulty of recon


Not sure if Command has difficulty at all with the model per se. It can certainly model a carrier group on station for weeks before stuff hits the fan. Players are not understandably into that. That said, I have been trying to come up with less than WW3 scenarios that irrupt and then calm down geopolitically. Take a look at Container Wars in the Community pack. A container ship was in the news recently.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/21/2017 4:50:46 PM   
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Raytheon Company and Kongsberg Gruppen will offer the Naval Strike Missile to meet the U.S. Navy's over-the-horizon requirement for its littoral combat ships and future frigates. The team will meet the U.S. Navy's June 23 proposal deadline.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/june-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5303-raytheon-kongsberg-to-offer-naval-strike-missile-for-us-navy-over-the-horizon-requirement.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/21/2017 9:38:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Teasers for the upcoming Chinese Military Parade on August 1st, the 90th Anniversary of the PLA.

The new aircraft types that have been spotted doing the rehearsals tell of their deployment status in the PLAAF:

4x J-20 Stealth Fighters (out of five J-20 previously spotted doing the rehearsals)



Five ship flight of J-20 here:


7x J-16 Strike Flankers (estimated about 50 planes in service by now)



And as bonus; Chinese official media has pretty much admitted that the J-20 exists by releasing this bit of footage during evening news.



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/22/2017 8:03:09 AM   
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http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/unternehmen/ruestung-der-modernste-kampfjet-weckt-begierden-15071216.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/22/2017 12:55:10 PM   
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It's healthy to admit failure, especially given the amount of money being spent. But one might understand keeping quiet with the ongoing North Korea situation. Maybe it is not that simple.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/22/2017 2:07:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		it's always wise to take ballistic intercept test failures with a grain of salt IMO. granted it could have been a software/hardware fault, but if the missile just missed you can always fire more missiles.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/23/2017 10:44:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sniper isn't in CMANO, but this news is still worth to tell because it broke the world record drastically:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/06/22/canadian-special-operations-sniper-hit-target-from-more-than-2-miles-away-military-says/?utm_term=.4221dc8364f2

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/23/2017 12:37:57 PM   
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Japan set to take delivery of Osprey in Sept:
http://alert5.com/2017/06/23/japan-to-take-delivery-of-osprey-in-september/



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/23/2017 4:36:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hong Kong media published that President Xi will visit Hong Kong on 1 July (HKSAR's Anniversary Day) along with PLA Show Event locally. They will bring Liaoning CV and J-20 for publics to see. I still yet to find the relevant detail about the entry though:

http://www.hk01.com/article/100031 (Traditional Chinese)



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/23/2017 10:56:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		More details and reflections on the Syrian Su-22 USMC shoot-down: http://www.combataircraft.net/2017/06/23/how-did-a-30-year-old-su-22-defeat-a-modern-aim-9x/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/23/2017 11:40:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for posting that. Not sure I would read too much into a single AIM-9X missing. Geopolitical tactics at work perhaps. Could have been a warning shot or some in-flight ID/ROE mishap. Who knows. But what is known is that the combined Russian/Syrian/Iranian air forces would be smothered in a major engagement. Moving forward, the USN made a geopolitical point.

Kevin

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/24/2017 6:18:03 AM   
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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/russia-launches-attacks-isil-syria-085340142.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/24/2017 7:48:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		MAST Asia 2017: JMSDF Tested its XSSM Anti-Ship Missile against Barracuda USV-MT Target

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At MAST Asia 2017 (Maritime Air Systems & Technologies), the naval defense exhibition held last week in Tokyo, Navy Recognition learned that Japan's Acquisition Technology and Logistics Agency (ATLA), a branch of the MoD, used a surface target from Canadian company Qinetiq Target Systems to test one of its latest generation anti-ship missile: the XSSM.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/naval-exhibitions/2017/mast-asia-2017-show-daily-news/5313-mast-asia-2017-jmsdf-tested-its-xssm-anti-ship-missile-against-barracuda-usv-mt-target.html


Schiebel CAMCOPTER S-100 VTOL UAV Completes Qualification with French Navy Mistral-class LHD
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/june-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5304-schiebel-camcopter-s-100-vtol-uav-completes-qualification-with-french-navy-mistral-class-lhd.html

Raytheon Restarts SM-2 Production for the Netherlands Japan Australia and South Korea
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/june-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5305-raytheon-restarts-sm-2-production-for-the-netherlands-japan-australia-and-south-korea.html

First Project 22220 Nuclear Icebreaker Arctika for Russian Navy to be Commissioned in June 2019
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/june-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5306-first-project-22220-nuclear-icebreaker-arctika-for-russian-navy-to-be-commissioned-in-june-2019.html

DCNS's F21 Heavyweight Torpedo has Entered its Final Development Phase
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/june-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5307-dcns-s-f21-heavyweight-torpedo-has-entered-its-final-development-phase.html

Rosatom and Russian Shipyards Welcome Project 10510 Leader Icebreaker Project
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/june-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5308-rosatom-and-russian-shipyards-welcome-project-10510-leader-icebreaker-project.html


The 24th frigate of the class in just 9 years...

China's 24th Type 054A Frigate Commissioned with PLAN South Sea Fleet

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The People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN or Chinese Navy) commissioned its 24th Type 054A Frigate (Jiangkai II-class) "Xuchang" (hull number 536). The Commissioning ceremony took place on June 23rd at Zhanjiang naval base, headquarter of the PLAN South Sea Fleet. The frigate joins the PLAN East Sea Fleet.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/june-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5314-china-s-24th-type-054a-frigate-commissioned-with-plan-south-sea-fleet.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/24/2017 10:35:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm, that radar on the forward mast of the Type 054A looks pretty strange. I wonder what the reasons are for that antenna placement?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/24/2017 12:12:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gneckes

Hmmm, that radar on the forward mast of the Type 054A looks pretty strange. I wonder what the reasons are for that antenna placement?

You mean those two large, spinning rectangle arrays? Well, the radar runs in dual-band -- bigger one is for long wavelength and smaller for short.

It is functioning like Soviet Top Plate radar, hence to be called a Top Plate copy even it's based on older Type 381:

MR-760MA (Top Plate):


Type 382 (The copy of Top Plate):


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/24/2017 3:35:11 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/24/2017 3:38:34 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/24/2017 4:23:13 PM   
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Kevin

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 6/24/2017 5:41:50 PM   
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Probably Global Hawk was shouted down by S-300 near Tartus http://halturnershow.com/index.php/news/world-news/655-breaking-russia-fires-s-300-out-over-mediterranean

Yeah I'm going to go ahead and call that one fake news.

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