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ORIGINAL: ricanuck

It was a subtle conversation during the beta test that the game would not be dumbed down like many other "strategy" games... and Vic was always in agreement with that ethos.

I doubt he will change his mind. Don't worry.

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ORIGINAL: KingHalford
Now the ability to remove roads has been added...

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ORIGINAL: 76mm

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ORIGINAL: KingHalford
Now the ability to remove roads has been added...

I've been looking for this feature unsuccessfully in v1.03--where is it?

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ORIGINAL: ricanuck

About the "traffic lights": I remember at some point in the beta I suggested more control over the "forks" in the LIS system... not taking any credit, but after that Vic came up with the idea and implementation of the traffic lights...

The point is: the TF system is a HUGE improvement over what was before, where there was NO micromanagement (oh, the horror, that word ) at all, and the system ran itself often wasting valuable LIS points in dead end roads.. now you have control. Use it, or go play Civ.

Cheers,

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ORIGINAL: ricanuck

About the "traffic lights": I remember at some point in the beta I suggested more control over the "forks" in the LIS system... not taking any credit, but after that Vic came up with the idea and implementation of the traffic lights...

The point is: the TF system is a HUGE improvement over what was before, where there was NO micromanagement (oh, the horror, that word ) at all, and the system ran itself often wasting valuable LIS points in dead end roads.. now you have control. Use it, or go play Civ.

Cheers,

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ORIGINAL: willgamer

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ORIGINAL: ricanuck

About the "traffic lights": I remember at some point in the beta I suggested more control over the "forks" in the LIS system... not taking any credit, but after that Vic came up with the idea and implementation of the traffic lights...

The point is: the TF system is a HUGE improvement over what was before, where there was NO micromanagement (oh, the horror, that word ) at all, and the system ran itself often wasting valuable LIS points in dead end roads.. now you have control. Use it, or go play Civ.

Cheers,

Speaking of forks in the roads, do people understand that in many cases you can delete intersections that fork and rebuild substantial portions of the road network without using forks.

This can be hugh and series...!

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ORIGINAL: gatsby
We have not run into one logistics problem that could not be solved with the logic inherent in the game. Either its a traffic signal, a truck depot upgrade,a supply depot to extend or a myriad of other tweaks. Its wonderful to actually have a logistics tail which can be micromanaged like this.

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If I have overloaded a front with battalions I had better accommodate it.

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ORIGINAL: GodwinW
In the 'Built Road' menu where you choose the type of road.

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ORIGINAL: gatsby

I started a new thread because I came here to see if there was a new update and lo and behold I saw this thread about the logistics system being a mess...I immediately fired off a reply because I was flabbergasted and worried that the designer would start to screw around with the logistics because of a few people who can't figure it out.

As I said in my other post: This is the one of the best games I have ever bought and I have been buying these things for a long long time. My 20 year old son and I have been playing non stop since it came out. We have not run into one logistics problem that could not be solved with the logic inherent in the game. Either its a traffic signal, a truck depot upgrade,a supply depot to extend or a myriad of other tweaks. Its wonderful to actually have a logistics tail which can be micromanaged like this.If I have overloaded a front with battalions I had better accommodate it.

I understand that we live in a culture that if we don't like the ending of a show or movie we expect the creators to change it. I joke that maybe the groundlings should have shouted to Shakespeare to change the ending of Hamlet because its too bloody and I don't want Hamlet to die. Its the same idea that if I say something that offends you I should stop saying it ...LOL...Okay Lenny Bruce shut the f*** up?

Once again Please Please do not change the logistics system to accommodate these folk. There are loads of games with simple pull systems. Hold the line be true to your vision.If you think its broken okay I get it but to change it because a few people can't or won't figure it out. I read that entire thread and I didn't see one problem that wasn't solvable with a little time and a little manual. This game takes some work. I like that.Hold the line. LOL

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ORIGINAL: Dampfnudel

The current logistic system is pushing logistical capacity where it is not needed unless told not to do that.
So every time the private open up a new farm, the entire logistical system of your empire goes into chaos, as thousands of trucks drive down to this newly constructed farm. This forces the player to continuously put traffic signs to avoid this situation.

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ORIGINAL: tortugapower
1. Logistics system as-is is very opaque. Forgive the ego, but I consider myself decent-to-advanced at understanding wargames, and I don't understand it. This is ultimately a design decision, but that means the game -- which has great appeal so far to a widespread group, beyond hardcore wargamers -- likely won't be understood by newcomers, who will get frustrated and stop playing. (I've already seen this happening.)

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ORIGINAL: AttuWatcher

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ORIGINAL: Dampfnudel

The current logistic system is pushing logistical capacity where it is not needed unless told not to do that.
So every time the private open up a new farm, the entire logistical system of your empire goes into chaos, as thousands of trucks drive down to this newly constructed farm. This forces the player to continuously put traffic signs to avoid this situation.

1. The situation you are describing does not happen literally every turn, or even on the majority of turns. I'm fully in support of smart, minimal changes, like removing roads, which I pushed for on several posts, but let's not exaggerate the problem and pressure people with hyperbole. Even from day 1 with no patches the logistics system was never bad or hyper-tedious, just unpolished.

2. Make every private building only draw the resources it needs to operate. Think of it as an invisible, automatic, finely tuned traffic sign. Problem solved. For public assets, you built it, it's your problem to manage it.

3. The above improvement, coupled with removable roads that we already have, and maybe 1-2 new expanded / refined UI logistics filters and job is done. This system does not need drastic changes, or even very many of them.

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ORIGINAL: Munashe
...Can a city with the ability to reach another, but not the other way around, grab resources from the city that cannot reach, or do supplies/resources only flow from a sender? If A can reach B, and B cannot reach A, can B "use" A's reach to send resources back to A?

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ORIGINAL: Munashe

I see, so it's more like water than something that travels from one point to another. Maybe that's a bad analogy, but you cleared things up for me. What exactly do the percentages per tile and numbers in parentheses mean in bottleneck mode?