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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/4/2021 9:18:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		T16 Depot Map North:

This shows the map of the depots in the north. Currently all of them are at level 4 east of the starting border except that all of the port depots are at 3. Essentially these are the default levels of depots when they are created.






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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/4/2021 9:19:28 PM   
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The same view in the south. This is probably the best way to see which rails I have repaired. There are some depots in places that are not connected by rail such as captured ports in the Crimea. These are either ports or air bases that I have been using for air transport of supplies to the front lines.






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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/4/2021 9:19:56 PM   
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This is roughly the start of the rainy season so it is a good time to start doing strategic planning for what I could accomplish when the freeze starts. Here in the north Leningrad (36), Moscow (66), Tula (16), Orel (10), and Kursk (16) are within range of the current front line. This is 144 possible VPs. Realistically Moscow is probably beyond my reach and Tula is quick a reach too. Leningrad is literally in play as I don't know if I will be able to get it or not but I will definitely be trying to do so. So I will be trying my hardest for Orel, Kursk, and Leningrad (62 VPs). Unfortunately PG 2 is totally out of position for any of those targets as it is completely tied down in front of Moscow. PG 3 can be transferred anywhere fairly easily so it will have to be my mobile force.






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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/4/2021 9:20:37 PM   
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Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, and Zaporozhye are in the front lines and quite possible. Stalino would be a possible but Rostov is a bit far. Krasnodar and Maikop may be on the table as the Rumanian cavalry brigade in the Kerch Straits has not detected Soviet defenses on the eastern bank. If the AI has left that open, then the withdrawing German Panzer and Infantry Corps could be redirected and an attempt made to blitz the area. So I am looking at 30 VPs for sure and a stretch for another 30 to 40. I don't see a Sudden Victory possible by Jan 1 42 but I could definitely be prepared for a good shot in 42.






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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/4/2021 9:21:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		T16 Supply Depot Priority Tuning 1:

I mentioned above that I have left all supply depots on their default values. This is not necessarily the best strategy, especially when there are many different paths that can be done with your rail net. So I have decided to play around at this point in the game. I have a developed supply and rail net in a real game situation so it is time to experiment. I will do several different types of tuning to the depot network and see what the effects are. I note that this is in the start of the rainy season so some stress is on the logistical system from the weather, although that would change again in blizzard - although not necessarily for the better or worse. The first thing to do is leave it be, run the Soviet turn, and then check my freight report as my starting base. So leaving at it is gives me the following freight report:





Freight is reduced on the line but Need is not met overall. 18th, 16th, and 6th Armies are the really bad ones.



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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/4/2021 9:22:04 PM   
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So I first go through all of the German ports and change all ports that are on rails to EXPORT. I then make sure all the Baltic ports are on IMPORT. In the South I change Odessa to an EXPORT port as it is connected by rail and has not been receiving naval supply. Priority of the Odessa depot is set to 1 as are all other export ports. That means they will take from a National Supply Source (NSS) which is rated a priority of 0 and send them to any port with a 2 or higher. All import ports (except Kerch which is the front line) are changed to priority 2. So now we run the turn again and see the following freight report:

A slight improvement but since there is only the single naval supply route marked on the supply path map to Sevastopol there should not be any real improvement here.






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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/4/2021 9:22:29 PM   
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So we go back and build on the port adjustments. Let us look at Minsk as an important railyard and rail nexus. We change the priority there to 2 (it will not get supply from port depots but the major link here is rail anyways) and all depots feeding into it will be changed to 1. I will also change all pre-war depots to 1. Lvov is also set to 2. Odessa is another nexus to set to 2. So time to test and get this freight report:

So the ground and air units got more than they needed now. The 18th, 16th, and 6th armies are still suffering but look at the logistics net from Turn 16 and you can see why they would be.






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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/4/2021 9:22:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		T16 Supply Depot Priority Turning 4:

This time I go through and set all depots between my big railyards to 3 unless they are supplying a front line unit and then I leave them at 4. This gives the following freight report:

It is an improvement. The Supplies Received are higher while the Supplies Lost is lower. But notice that the change is not that great. I will also note that it may be biased towards good as the depots that lost priority could be shipping what is in them to the front easier and thus giving the front line a small but temporary boost. I shall keep this latest version and go on from here. But I think the real lesson in all of this is that none of the supply setups I used were really that much different from any of the others. I think the logistics is much more dependent on what the rail net looks like than the depot net. If my rail net was in better shape near the 18th, 16th, and 6th Armies then their logistical position would be much stronger despite what the depot priorities are set to.






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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/4/2021 9:23:21 PM   
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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/4/2021 9:26:41 PM   
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The starting number for missing medium tanks on T1 is -817, so that number has raised with over 1000 tanks... Carl has lost around 550 PzIII tanks, that sounds like a pretty high number to me?

After this I'm going to be reluctant to drive my PzDivs more than 100 miles per turn, keeping them on high CPP all the time :D


I do a similar supply network but not everything level 4 as Carl does.

Ya, the game is a Marathon not a race(although there are certain racing elements for certain things). Being a marathon need to have a measured approach on what you need to accomplish. Most advances, not all, I will try and leave 20 or more MP's. Refitting a depleted Division usually takes a few turns even on a depot with an HQ. So have to plan accordingly.


How do you do encirclements if you leave 20mp?



Not the easiest thing to do but can be done even if you don't close the pocket the first turn but ZOC it. (You will see this soon in my game with 821Bobo) Plus if you fatigue your unit to hell with zero'ing out MP's you are going to get routed or forced retreated by a Soviet player, especially an aggressive Soviet that will counter attack. And Soviets should be counter attacking in my opinion. If you like we can continue in another thread to not take more space in Carls AAR.

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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/4/2021 9:27:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a crucial point in the Axis offensive. The Soviets are going to get stronger in manpower etc. while the weather gets worse and the Axis suffers. I am busy for the next day or two and this is a great time to open things up for discussion. I will also admit that this is usually as far as I normally get before I start over and test a new version to see what the changes do. I have played to 1 Jan 41 about 20 some times and past that only about twice because most of my playing is for playtesting. So feel free to make tactical and strategic advice on air, combat, and logistics.

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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/4/2021 9:30:47 PM   
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Yes my supply net is rather strange but I leave you with this: the rear depots have been saving up freight and supplies which I have not really needed as of yet. But when the bad weather hits - next turn as a matter of fact - then that supply is closer to the front and easier to ship forward. You guys will love my turn 16 below.




Yes, this is what I suspected too :-) Mud is a killer in this game that I have seen so far.

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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/4/2021 9:43:22 PM   
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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/6/2021 1:41:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the logistical tests, Carl, really good stuff

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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/6/2021 8:14:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very highly interesting! Thanks for posting this - much to learn.

One tiny thing: could you please also post the date the turn had happened?

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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/6/2021 8:34:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		FriedrichII - I am not sure what you are asking for. Game date is Oct 12, 41 if that is what you are looking for.

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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/6/2021 8:47:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Right now you absolutely trashed the SOV manpower reserves.
Don't have your save open, but i think Axis had 600k stored, and the soviets like 80k, with 15k per turn?

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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/6/2021 8:52:57 PM   
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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/7/2021 12:53:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jajusha - yes that sounds about right. Unfortunately the Soviets are going to climb in manpower because of the bad weather and then they get a 500K manpower boost in November 41 sometime so they could be over 3.7M by December if I can't knock them down a lot in the meantime.

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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/8/2021 9:09:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you so much for this both exciting and educational AAR, even better with the turns attached for our humle review!

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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/8/2021 12:44:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		The attached files makes this a great example game for new players. You can download the files, see what is going on in detail, and then see how much better you can do than I did.

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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/8/2021 12:45:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		T17 Soviet Attacks:

The Soviets have attacked across the front. The two Routs were Rumanian Cavalry brigades near the Sea of Azov. I will have to pull the Rumanians out of the front line. The Retreat results are mostly against regiments along the front.






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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/8/2021 12:45:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		T17 Supply Net North:

Remember that I have just tuned the depot network for this turn. So AGN is totally in a mess while AGC is looking pretty good. The problem with AGN is that the rail net has fallen well behind because I sent the FBD down to help AGS with its supply situation. I will have to call that FBD back up and possible send the 3rd PG FBD to help too.






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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/8/2021 12:46:22 PM   
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Odessa sends sea supply to Yalta. I am not so sure that Genichesk should be receiving sea supply as I do control Kerch but not the Kerch straits. I will have to bring that up to the developers as a question. Things are looking pretty good in the south.






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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/8/2021 12:46:47 PM   
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It remains rain across the entire front so I do not activate any of my air directives and let the air groups rest.






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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/8/2021 12:47:14 PM   
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The Ground and Air Commands are receiving more supplies than needed. The Supplies Lost is also below 6800 total.






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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/8/2021 12:47:57 PM   
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It is official as the 4th PG cuts the final rail line feeding the Leningrad pocket. 18th Army is able to reduce the Oranienbaum fort level to 0 with two assaults. 4th PG is also able to cross the Neva River. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end for the Soviets trapped in Leningrad. Osinovets is the port supplying every one there now and it is only a level one port so it is constricted as a supply base.






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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/8/2021 12:48:22 PM   
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2nd PG remains the weak point for the front. I find it very hard to pull any more than a single panzer division out of the front line to refit and recover CPP. 3rd PG moves up behind two points in the line to bolster the weakest points while recovering CPP and getting ready to launch an attack towards Moscow.






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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/8/2021 12:48:53 PM   
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The 1st PG is my only real offensive formation at this time. I have breakthroughs near Kursk, Kharkov, and the Dnepr River bend with one division crossing the Dnepr near Zaporozhye.






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RE: Heading East into the Soviet Union - 4/8/2021 12:49:31 PM   
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