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LOG! - 6/23/2012 12:14:24 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/23/2012 1:47:18 AM   
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I have not told you guys where I went on vacation this year, so.....

Guess the fort.


Bricks'r'us?


According to the National Park Service, there are 16 million bricks in Fort Jefferson.


What protection (if any) wold bricks provide?


Leo "Apollo11"


These forts were designed during the age of round shot, prior to the advent of rifled artillery and shells. The bricks would have held up fairly well. Also the fort had 10" Columbiads and 15" Rodmans. The ship mounted guns would have been 24 and 32 pounders. The 10" columbiads fired 128 pound rounds out to almost 5000 yards. They would have out-ranged the naval guns and were mounted on land.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/23/2012 7:44:22 AM   
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Hi guys. I see this place has changed little.


Change is bad.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/23/2012 10:03:45 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/23/2012 10:23:24 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/23/2012 4:08:28 PM   
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Hi guys. I see this place has changed little.


Change is bad.


There's an old sea story in the Navy about a ship's captain who inspected his sailors, and afterward told the chief boson's mate that his men smelled bad.

The captain suggested perhaps it would help if the sailors would change their underwear occasionally.

The chief responded, "Aye, aye sir, I'll see to it immediately!"

The chief went straight to the sailors berth deck and announced, "The captain thinks you guys smell bad and wants you to change your underwear. "Pittman, you change with Jones; McCarthy, you change with Witkowski; and Brown, you change with Schultz. Now get to it!!!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/23/2012 4:23:31 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/23/2012 4:27:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BrucePowers

I have not told you guys where I went on vacation this year, so.....

Guess the fort.


Bricks'r'us?


According to the National Park Service, there are 16 million bricks in Fort Jefferson.


What protection (if any) wold bricks provide?


These forts were designed during the age of round shot, prior to the advent of rifled artillery and shells. The bricks would have held up fairly well. Also the fort had 10" Columbiads and 15" Rodmans. The ship mounted guns would have been 24 and 32 pounders. The 10" columbiads fired 128 pound rounds out to almost 5000 yards. They would have out-ranged the naval guns and were mounted on land.


OK!

BTW, in Europe in the time past 18th century the fort walls were made at "angles" (i.e. star shaped and such) - was this the case here as well?


Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/23/2012 4:27:47 PM   
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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/23/2012 6:31:22 PM   
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Ok Smart aleck. What was the purpose of this structure?

Can't believe nobody got it yet. That's where they heated the shot.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/23/2012 7:18:18 PM   
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Ok Smart aleck. What was the purpose of this structure?

Can't believe nobody got it yet. That's where they heated the shot.
Warspite1

See post 7242

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/23/2012 7:22:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

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ORIGINAL: BrucePowers

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

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ORIGINAL: BrucePowers

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

quote:

ORIGINAL: BrucePowers

I have not told you guys where I went on vacation this year, so.....

Guess the fort.


Bricks'r'us?


According to the National Park Service, there are 16 million bricks in Fort Jefferson.


What protection (if any) wold bricks provide?


These forts were designed during the age of round shot, prior to the advent of rifled artillery and shells. The bricks would have held up fairly well. Also the fort had 10" Columbiads and 15" Rodmans. The ship mounted guns would have been 24 and 32 pounders. The 10" columbiads fired 128 pound rounds out to almost 5000 yards. They would have out-ranged the naval guns and were mounted on land.


OK!

BTW, in Europe in the time past 18th century the fort walls were made at "angles" (i.e. star shaped and such) - was this the case here as well?


Leo "Apollo11"


Yes.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/23/2012 9:22:43 PM   
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Ok Smart aleck. What was the purpose of this structure?

Can't believe nobody got it yet. That's where they heated the shot.
Warspite1
See post 7242

Aaarggh! that was 28 posts ago. You actually expect people to read all this stuff?? Woof !!

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/23/2012 9:36:37 PM   
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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/23/2012 10:03:46 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/23/2012 10:05:27 PM   
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What protection (if any) wold bricks provide?

These forts were designed during the age of round shot, prior to the advent of rifled artillery and shells. The bricks would have held up fairly well. Also the fort had 10" Columbiads and 15" Rodmans. The ship mounted guns would have been 24 and 32 pounders. The 10" columbiads fired 128 pound rounds out to almost 5000 yards. They would have out-ranged the naval guns and were mounted on land.

OK!
BTW, in Europe in the time past 18th century the fort walls were made at "angles" (i.e. star shaped and such) - was this the case here as well?
Leo "Apollo11"

Yes.

The Vauban star pattern European forts were set up to define flanking and cross fire against folks trying to assault the works. Kinda different thing for harbor defenses. Most were just big blocks of brick. But 6 feet of brick was a skoosh better that 2 feet of oak, so ...

The deal with harbor forts was the gunners (ok, I'm assuming a modicum of smarts, here) had range marks, and range tables, and a stable gun platform, and could 'relatively' repeatably shoot 'accurately' at a target. At least that was the theory. For the most part it worked. Sumter was operational till almost the very end.

It wasn't till the US Civil War era that harbor forts became marginalized. Naval weapons became more powerful and their platforms became more locally maneuverable. A real bitch for a gunner; a lot harder to hit, and the counter-battery tends to hurt. Soon as somebody figured out this thing called penetration, and put some beefy Naval Rifles on a warship, that was pretty much the end of the Brick-and-Mortar Harbor Defense Fort.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/23/2012 10:12:36 PM   
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Zssssssssss time...


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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/23/2012 10:29:11 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/23/2012 10:31:48 PM   
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The Vauban star pattern European forts were set up to define flanking and cross fire against folks trying to assault the works. Kinda different thing for harbor defenses. Most were just big blocks of brick. But 6 feet of brick was a skoosh better that 2 feet of oak, so ...

The deal with harbor forts was the gunners (ok, I'm assuming a modicum of smarts, here) had range marks, and range tables, and a stable gun platform, and could 'relatively' repeatably shoot 'accurately' at a target. At least that was the theory. For the most part it worked. Sumter was operational till almost the very end.

It wasn't till the US Civil War era that harbor forts became marginalized. Naval weapons became more powerful and their platforms became more locally maneuverable. A real bitch for a gunner; a lot harder to hit, and the counter-battery tends to hurt. Soon as somebody figured out this thing called penetration, and put some beefy Naval Rifles on a warship, that was pretty much the end of the Brick-and-Mortar Harbor Defense Fort.


Quite True

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/23/2012 10:35:21 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/23/2012 11:49:21 PM   
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It wasn't till the US Civil War era that harbor forts became marginalized. Naval weapons became more powerful ...

Speaking as a gunner, Columbiads were some of the biggest pieces of crap ever foisted on a gullible Govt (ok, there were worse ones, but that was now, this is then). Low-velocity, large caliber, smooth bore, shell guns, that went boom very loud, but couldn't penetrate a well built stone outhouse. It took 4 Russian Battleships (and 2 big frigates), armed with shell guns, over 4 hours to sink 7 anchored Turkish frigates at Sinope in 1853.

And then came naval "Rifles" and the world changed. Just look at Kearsarge and Alabama; two ships that have been cussed, discussed, sliced and diced, by hundreds of historians and Naval Officers since 1879, and every single one avers they were as equivalent as two peas in a pod. Ok, so let's just look for a second at 2x 11" Dahlgren SBs and a 4" Parrott Rifle, vs a 6.4" Blakely Rifle and a Simmons 8" SB (excluding both ship's broadside SB cannons). Woof !! That says volumes, right there, about Mr Blakely.

They coulda, shoulda, woulda, if the damn shell they put in Kearsarge's rudder assembly went off!! Black powder, in explosive shells, in 1864!! You take a pee within 10 feet of that stuff and it gets damp and just fizzles. Schonbein was reporting on nitrocellulose since 1846, and Fredrick Abel was dinking with it in 1862, but it took till Vielle in 1882 to get it together ?? Aw, Woof !! Just goes to show, if there ain't no war going on, there just ain't nothing happening nowhere, nohow.

It was kinda like the Pacific War that started with neat airplanes and machine guns and ended with jets and atomic bombs. Civil War started with smooth-bores and some few rifled pieces, with Napoleonic deployment practice, and ended with the introduction of modern rifled artillery weapons and their attendent deployment techniques.

[ed] But then again one must, simply must, give a bit of a push to Fts. Jefferson, Gaines, Moultrie, Magruder, DeSoto ...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/24/2012 3:44:50 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/24/2012 3:44:56 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/24/2012 3:45:33 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/24/2012 6:49:54 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/24/2012 9:43:49 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/24/2012 11:49:01 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/24/2012 1:26:36 PM   
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What protection (if any) wold bricks provide?

These forts were designed during the age of round shot, prior to the advent of rifled artillery and shells. The bricks would have held up fairly well. Also the fort had 10" Columbiads and 15" Rodmans. The ship mounted guns would have been 24 and 32 pounders. The 10" columbiads fired 128 pound rounds out to almost 5000 yards. They would have out-ranged the naval guns and were mounted on land.

OK!
BTW, in Europe in the time past 18th century the fort walls were made at "angles" (i.e. star shaped and such) - was this the case here as well?
Leo "Apollo11"

Yes.

The Vauban star pattern European forts were set up to define flanking and cross fire against folks trying to assault the works. Kinda different thing for harbor defenses. Most were just big blocks of brick. But 6 feet of brick was a skoosh better that 2 feet of oak, so ...

The deal with harbor forts was the gunners (ok, I'm assuming a modicum of smarts, here) had range marks, and range tables, and a stable gun platform, and could 'relatively' repeatably shoot 'accurately' at a target. At least that was the theory. For the most part it worked. Sumter was operational till almost the very end.

It wasn't till the US Civil War era that harbor forts became marginalized. Naval weapons became more powerful and their platforms became more locally maneuverable. A real bitch for a gunner; a lot harder to hit, and the counter-battery tends to hurt. Soon as somebody figured out this thing called penetration, and put some beefy Naval Rifles on a warship, that was pretty much the end of the Brick-and-Mortar Harbor Defense Fort.


I have to give a shout out to my childhood neighborhood playground, Fort McHenry.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/24/2012 1:30:49 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/24/2012 1:31:57 PM   
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