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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/13/2013 6:36:35 PM   
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I have something that may or may not be a database issue; maybe it's just the way the game works, or maybe it's something the player needs to worry about.

This involves CWDB399, the RIM-24C Tartar as mounted on ship #2075 DDG19 Tattnall [Charles F. Adams]. The database viewer of the ship shows the missile as having a range of 18nm. This is also shown on the map as the surface weapon ring for the ship has a radius of 18nm. The database viewer of the missile says it has a max speed of 1475knts and a flight time of 44 seconds,

When a target is selected for the ship using F1, the Tartar is launched pretty much as expected when the target gets withing the 18nm surface weapon ring. However, when the ship launches the Tartar against a surface target, as soon as the missile is launched, the surface weapon ring shrinks to about a radius of 11.5nm, and this turns out to be about where the launched missile runs out of fuel. The missiles will hit a surface target at 12nm, I guess it's good for about a half nautical mile of gliding.

After some more checking I find that the missile does have a flight time of around 44 seconds, but when fired at a surface target it never quite reaches that 1475kt speed. In fact it takes more than half the flight time for it to reach even 1000kt.

What appears to be happening is that the game calculates the surface weapon ring of 18nm based on the missile speed of 1475kt and a flight time of 44 seconds. However, once the missile is launched, it appears that the surface weapon ring is re-calculated based on the predicted missile range based upon it's actual average speed over the 44 second flight time. Or maybe I'm looney.

As a final test, I modified my test scenario to make the DDG19 Tattnall be the AI controlled ship and gave it a mission to kill my player controlled ship. As I moved my ship to just under 18nm from the Tattnall, that ship started firing Tartars at me (I have God's Eye view enabled). And as expected, they each ran out of fuel as they moved to about 12nm to 13nm away from the Tattnall. The Tattnall kept firing Tartars at me, and each one dropped into the ocean as it's fuel ran out.

So, to summarize, there's something wrong here. I'm not sure what the fix is. Good luck!

UPDATE: I may have been mislead on the changing surface weapon ring, saying it went down to 11nm or so because of the recalculated missile range. It would instead appear that the 11nm surface weapon circle was due to the 127mm gun of the Tattnall now being the longest ranged weapon while the missile launcher reloaded.

So we still have the problem that the AI wants to fire the missile at 18nm, but the missile won't fly further than 12nm or so.


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/13/2013 9:32:52 PM   
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More regarding Avengers :)
The "Killer" ASW Avenger, the TBM-3S also had radar, AN/APR-1
http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/tbm-3s.pdf
No turret guns, just wing guns.

Re the "Hunter" -3w, I'm not sure it was armed at all.
There were 2 sorts of -3ws, one AEW and one ASW

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/14/2013 10:44:49 AM   
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Sticking to the classics:
The Spitfire :)
There was no F. Mk 10.
Spitfire X was a recon variant.
There were thousands of variants but the best for CDB would be those actually in use:

Merlin powered variants:
Mark IX (9), in service with pretty much all european nations after WW2, including Egypt and Israel
Merlin engine, 2 20mm, 4 303
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_%28late_Merlin_powered_variants%29#Mk_IX_.28type_361.29

Mark V, older Spitfire still used by Turkey and Portugal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_%28early_Merlin_powered_variants%29#Mk_V_.28Types_331.2C_349_.26_352.29

Griffon powered variants:
Mark XIV (14 post war)
Main Griffon powered variant, exported to NATO allies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_%28Griffon_powered_variants%29#Mk_XIV_.28type_379.29

Mark 18
Griffon powered postwar variant, used by the RAF in 1948 and later
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_%28Griffon_powered_variants%29#Mk_XVIII_.28Mk_18.29_.28type_394.29

Mark 19, last unarmed recon variant, used until the late 50s, same as 18 only no weapons and faster/greater range

Mark 24 is allready in.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/15/2013 4:40:51 PM   
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Another thing, the Skoryy class destroyers should have different torpedoes, the 53-65 WH were not in service when this class was the mainstay of soviet destroyers, they should either have straight running or pattern running torps, which are sadly not available in quintuple weaprecs :(

Also, what is the "SKR Mo-V" supposed to be?
MO boats were small patrol boats while this looks like a GV class MTB, which allready is in the database.

The MO4 class of WW2 would actually make a good addition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MO-class_small_guard_ship

This is a good soviet early MTB:
http://russian-ships.info/eng/warfareboats/project_123.htm

Some info on early soviet torps
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTRussian_WWII.htm
(many early subs and such have simply too good torpedoes ;))

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/16/2013 1:50:18 PM   
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AD-4W, United States (Navy)
http://www.joebaugher.com/usattack/newa1_14.html

HO3S-1, United States (Navy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_H-5#Variants

AD-4N, United States (Navy)
http://www.joebaugher.com/usattack/newa1_13.html
http://www.mcara.us/AD-4N.php

Need for Korean war US CAG
http://www.gonavy.jp/CV-CV47f.html


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/16/2013 8:41:36 PM   
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All done
quote:

ORIGINAL: JCR

Sticking to the classics:
The Spitfire :)
There was no F. Mk 10.
Spitfire X was a recon variant.
There were thousands of variants but the best for CDB would be those actually in use:

Merlin powered variants:
Mark IX (9), in service with pretty much all european nations after WW2, including Egypt and Israel
Merlin engine, 2 20mm, 4 303
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_%28late_Merlin_powered_variants%29#Mk_IX_.28type_361.29

Mark V, older Spitfire still used by Turkey and Portugal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_%28early_Merlin_powered_variants%29#Mk_V_.28Types_331.2C_349_.26_352.29

Griffon powered variants:
Mark XIV (14 post war)
Main Griffon powered variant, exported to NATO allies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_%28Griffon_powered_variants%29#Mk_XIV_.28type_379.29

Mark 18
Griffon powered postwar variant, used by the RAF in 1948 and later
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_%28Griffon_powered_variants%29#Mk_XVIII_.28Mk_18.29_.28type_394.29

Mark 19, last unarmed recon variant, used until the late 50s, same as 18 only no weapons and faster/greater range

Mark 24 is allready in.



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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/16/2013 8:42:08 PM   
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All done
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ORIGINAL: JCR

More regarding Avengers :)
The "Killer" ASW Avenger, the TBM-3S also had radar, AN/APR-1
http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/tbm-3s.pdf
No turret guns, just wing guns.

Re the "Hunter" -3w, I'm not sure it was armed at all.
There were 2 sorts of -3ws, one AEW and one ASW



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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/16/2013 8:49:48 PM   
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All done Soviet MTB is already in as P-4 Project 123
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ORIGINAL: JCR

Another thing, the Skoryy class destroyers should have different torpedoes, the 53-65 WH were not in service when this class was the mainstay of soviet destroyers, they should either have straight running or pattern running torps, which are sadly not available in quintuple weaprecs :(

Also, what is the "SKR Mo-V" supposed to be?
MO boats were small patrol boats while this looks like a GV class MTB, which allready is in the database.

The MO4 class of WW2 would actually make a good addition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MO-class_small_guard_ship

This is a good soviet early MTB:
http://russian-ships.info/eng/warfareboats/project_123.htm

Some info on early soviet torps
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTRussian_WWII.htm
(many early subs and such have simply too good torpedoes ;))



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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/16/2013 8:50:44 PM   
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Rag, this is one of yours on the copy over :)
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Typo in Tu-22 Blinder loadouts:

Tu-22B, Tu-22BD, Tu-22KD, Tu-22RD and Tu-22RDK: RN-42 Tactical Bomb 30kT Nuclear, Weapon has actually 200kT yield.



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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/16/2013 8:51:31 PM   
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Some errata re Volksmarine vessles.
Minesweepers Habicht and Krake had neither degaussed nor wooden hulls, both were conventional steel boats.



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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/16/2013 8:53:33 PM   
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Something re the F-106 Delta Dart.
In CWDB both the Air Defense Command and ANG versions have a internal cannon
In reality the cannon was added in "Project Six Shooter" in 1972 and replaced the Genie in the bomb bay.
So the original F-106 had none...

Ask I posted in the 460 build thread, the C 551 Garibaldi crashes the database viewer.
The unit itself has two weaprecs for 1. 16 Polaris and 2. 4 Polaris, while 0/4 Polaris would be better.

It also doesn't seem to have a magazine.



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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/16/2013 8:53:54 PM   
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Good work Sirius

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/20/2013 11:10:59 AM   
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Soviet Project 200 torpedo boat
http://russian-ships.info/eng/warfareboats/project_td200.htm

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/22/2013 9:30:10 AM   
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F-100A should be Fighter.
F-100C/F-100D should be Multirole (Fighter/Attack).
F-100F should be Trainer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-100_Super_Sabre

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/22/2013 9:47:11 AM   
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F-105B/F-105D should be Multirole (Fighter/Attack).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-105_Thunderchief

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/22/2013 10:47:01 AM   
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Indian Navy Super Constellation MPA
L-1049G Super Constellation (India) 1961-1983
With ASV-21 Radar

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_431.shtml

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/22/2013 1:01:07 PM   
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quote:

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F-100A should be Fighter.
F-100C/F-100D should be Multirole (Fighter/Attack).
F-100F should be Trainer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-100_Super_Sabre


F-100F was used as Wild Weasel, FAST FAC and probably more in Vietnam, not trainer only.

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F-105B/F-105D should be Multirole (Fighter/Attack).


She was a Fighter/Bomber intended for ground attack only, not really true Multirole.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/22/2013 3:51:59 PM   
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She was a Fighter/Bomber intended for ground attack only, not really true Multirole.

I think "Fighter/Bomber" equals to Multirole in CMANO.
Because there is no Fighter-Bomber in table "EnumAircraftType".

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/22/2013 10:26:54 PM   
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Something I noticed trying to create a "EC-121 shootdown" scenario.
USS Enterprise (CVAN/CVN-65) in CWDB is totally unarmed, while most online sources agree that Sea Sparrow was fitted in 1967.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/23/2013 11:37:24 AM   
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The Kynda class cruisers in their early version carry the P-5 land attack missile, which was only used on submarines in reality.
From all sources I could find, the Kyndas had the P-35 antiship missile from the start. They were purpose designed anti-ship systems, so arming them with a land attack missile didn't make much sense.

Using NATO designations for russian missiles still confuses things a lot.
P-5 was a land attack cruise missile like the US regulus, while P-35 was a dedicated anti-ship missile with a video-radar link (which is actually a small radar screen installed in the missile with a video camera pointing at it!)
As the original missile for the seeker-datalink system didn't work, they installed it in the P-5 body.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/24/2013 9:05:45 PM   
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Request a couple of additional civilian aircraft be added to the database:

DC-3
B-707
B-747
Airbus

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/25/2013 6:56:15 PM   
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Other ones
DC-6,7,8
Il-18
Super Constellation
De Havilland Comet
Bristol Britannia

Can all be tweaked out of existing military aircraft

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/28/2013 3:56:42 PM   
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Already in apart from Airbus will build that
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Request a couple of additional civilian aircraft be added to the database:

DC-3
B-707
B-747
Airbus



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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/28/2013 3:57:00 PM   
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All done
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Other ones
DC-6,7,8
Il-18
Super Constellation
De Havilland Comet
Bristol Britannia

Can all be tweaked out of existing military aircraft



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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/28/2013 3:57:35 PM   
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Noted and will update thanks
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Something I noticed trying to create a "EC-121 shootdown" scenario.
USS Enterprise (CVAN/CVN-65) in CWDB is totally unarmed, while most online sources agree that Sea Sparrow was fitted in 1967.



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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/28/2013 9:59:32 PM   
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It just occured to me that the US subs in the CWDB are very unorganized, some are with hull numbers (SSN-) while some are called "tang class" or "Guppy" without hull number.

Some seem to be missing, most notably
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Triton_%28SSRN-586%29

Also I noted that radar pickets can use air search their radar from periscope depth while they should have to surface

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/29/2013 5:28:35 AM   
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Minor thing. Soviet Zulu I-III-class submarines did not have snorkel. Is it possible to remove them so they have to surface to get air for diesels. Or is it more complicated, because all other need periscope depth.

Source: Norman Polmar, Guide to Soviet Navy (third edition)

What about Juliett, November and other Soviet older missile subs. IRL they had to surface to launch their missiles. I tested and this and Juliett class rised to -16m and launched Shaddock-missiles. Could surfacing modeled and maybe get longer delay to launch their missiles for older classes.

Thanks!

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/29/2013 8:51:13 AM   
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Since "what if" ships are included in the database (example Wyoming Class), I have a few ships I would like to see included. The battlecruisers HMS Tiger and HMS Hood, as well as the battleships HMS Iron Duke & HMS Nelson. Any other of the Royal Navy's battleships or battlecruisers would be a nice touch. Anyway, just thought I would put in my request. Thanks

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/29/2013 10:11:03 AM   
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Whoops. Sorry. I was looking for the airliners under "civilian" and not "commercial." I must remember to engage brain before typing....


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Already in apart from Airbus will build that
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ORIGINAL: CV60

Request a couple of additional civilian aircraft be added to the database:

DC-3
B-707
B-747
Airbus





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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/29/2013 12:42:18 PM   
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AN/APS-20 has too good surface search range. (200nm !!!)
AN/APS-80A on P-3B only has 80nm.


Please reduce it to 62nm.
http://www.harpoondatabases.com/encyclopedia/Entry1086.aspx

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