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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/29/2013 12:46:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		F9F-2 should not able to do supercruise.

Its max speed should smaller than 500kt.

http://www.joebaugher.com/navy_fighters/f9_2.html

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/29/2013 12:55:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think TGC Yavuz/SMS Goeben ever had radar, perhaps a search set but not the elaborate fire control suite it has here.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/29/2013 12:59:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		F-84B/C/E/G should not have same maximum speed as F-84F. (Straight-wing vs Swept-wing)
And they should not have afterburner. (Since F-94 is the first one with afterburner.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-84_Thunderjet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-84F_Thunderstreak





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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/29/2013 1:06:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		F-80 should not able to do supercruise. (590kt = 1.03M)

F-80A/B should < 485kt
F-80C should < 515kt

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/p80_4.html
http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/p80_6.html

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/29/2013 1:15:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		F-89D/H/J should be not able to fly over 1 Mach. (F-100 should be the first one?)

Max speed should be smaller than 552kt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-89_Scorpion

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/29/2013 1:21:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		F4D has too fast max speed (900kt.)
Its max speed should smaller than 627kt.

400kt loiter speed is also strange. (Same as SR-71 in CMANO.)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_F4D_Skyray
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/F4D-1_SAC_-_1_February_1954.pdf

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/29/2013 1:27:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		F7U should have afterburner.
And it maximum speed and loiter speed also need some modification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F7U#Specifications_.28F7U-3M.29

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/29/2013 1:30:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		F-94's maximum speed should not over 1 Mach.

F-94A/B: < 526kt
F-94C: < 556kt

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f94_1.html
http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f94_2.html
http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f94_3.html

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/29/2013 1:40:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Operator of Buccaneer S.2A should be RAF instead of FAA.

Mig-15Bis should not have afterburner and its maximum speed need modification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-15#Specifications_.28MiG-15bis.29

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/29/2013 2:49:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		20mm M3 Single mount on new A-1 Skyraiders
20mm M3 Single [20 rnds] -> Typo? Should be 200 rnds per mount.

20mm MG-151 on Avia S-199, Hispano Aviacion HA-1112, and Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-6 should not use weapon record "20mm M197 Burst [25 rnds]"
At least, 30x burst is too much. 20mm MG-151 should have 200 round per mount, so it has 8x 25 round burst.

"20mm Cannon" on LaGG-3, MiG-3, Pe-2M Buck has 30x "20mm M197 Burst [25 rnds]"

LaGG-3 use 20 mm ShVAK Cannon with 120~160 round, that is 6~8x 20rnd burst.
http://www.ww2warbirds.net/ww2htmls/lagglagg3.html
http://www.battle-fields.com/commscentre/showthread.php?16888-Yak-LaGG-MiG

Mig-3 should use 1x 12.7mm + 2x 7.62mm
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/guns.html

Pe-2M should use 3*20mm B-20 520rpg
http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/pe-2m.html


RF-84 has 45x "12.7mm/50 MG x 4 Burst [100 rnds]"
I don't have exact number, but 300rpg is more reasonable.
So, it should be 12x "12.7mm/50 MG x 4 Burst [100 rnds]"

CF-100 Mk 3 has 45x "12.7mm/50 MG x 4 Burst [100 rnds]"
It should be 200 round per gun. So, 8x burst.
http://books.google.com.tw/books?id=DM5nHjzScJcC&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=CF-100+12.7mm+round&source=bl&ots=opX2yBcGKP&sig=_MVnaLFSnbUcUX_gyiIm5XCO0D4&hl=zh-TW&sa=X&ei=krWYUqisEsfqkAWM-IDQCw&ved=0CGIQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=CF-100%2012.7mm%20round&f=false

SUU-23/A on RAF Phantom II should have 12x 100rnds burst instead of 24x 100rnds burst
http://www.harpoondatabases.com/encyclopedia/Entry2417.aspx
http://books.google.com.tw/books?id=sOpMuLgVy0sC&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=SUU-23+1200+round&source=bl&ots=mX4VIbRPvv&sig=V-XQcTu-FXHeAKsESmoHVDV_b1E&hl=zh-TW&sa=X&ei=graYUpfqDIiRkgWtlYHoAQ&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=SUU-23%201200%20round&f=false

SUU-16/A on F-4C has 225x 100rnds burst. (!)
Should be 12x 100rnds


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/29/2013 6:57:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: fool12342000

F9F-2 should not able to do supercruise.

Its max speed should smaller than 500kt.

http://www.joebaugher.com/navy_fighters/f9_2.html



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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/29/2013 7:12:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: fool12342000

F-84B/C/E/G should not have same maximum speed as F-84F. (Straight-wing vs Swept-wing)
And they should not have afterburner. (Since F-94 is the first one with afterburner.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-84_Thunderjet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-84F_Thunderstreak







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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/30/2013 12:10:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		One aircraft that was around until 1949, was the B-19 (well, XB-19). It was never put into production, but it might have been. It was by far the largest aircraft in existence until the B-36. It would be interesting to see it in the CWDB.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/30/2013 4:14:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		MiG-9's max speed should smaller than 494kt instead of 565kt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-9


MiG-3's max speed should smaller than 346kt instead of 410kt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-3

(kt/mph conversion ?)


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/30/2013 4:33:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		MiG-17 should equip VK-1 engine. (No afterburner)
Only after MiG-17F introduced, it got VK-1F with afterburner.
And it is not a supersonic fighter. Need to lower max speed.

Mig-17 should be Fresco A instead of Fresco B.

http://www.mig17.com/Specifications.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-17

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/30/2013 5:05:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		MiG-19's military speed should be 520kt (To match J-6's specs in DB3K.)

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/30/2013 5:22:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		F3D's maximum speed should smaller than 460kt instead of 900kt.
And it has no afterburner.

F-10A/F-10B should be Fighter instead of Electronic Warfare

http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/F3D-2_Skyknight_SAC_ww-_15_February_1952.pdf

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 11/30/2013 6:01:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		FJ-1 should not able to do supercruise.
Its max speed should smaller than 510kt

http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/FJ-1_Fury_SAC_-_1_May_1949.pdf

It seems FJ-1 have same spec with FJ-2 in CWDB400. (Length, height, and weight)
But they are different plane. (Straight wing vs Sweep wing.)
FJ-1 should not have same agility as FJ-2(2.5).

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 12/1/2013 11:17:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		F3H is not a supersonic jet.
So, its max speed should be much lower. (<563kt instead of 900kt.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_F3H_Demon#Specifications_.28F3H-2.29

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 12/6/2013 7:57:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		The B-70 has a tail gun that I've never seen any mention of in actual proposals, and it should be removed.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 12/8/2013 11:01:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I see in the EC-121D/Q Warning Star variants:

APS-45: AS/SS/2D, range 150, it should be 3D and very probaly not SS capable (I've it with máximum range 120, but I don't remember the range source, probably some books about the Constellation).

APS-95: AS/SS/3D, range 250, but should be only 2D.

If not, other APS-45 equipped variants (with APS-20) should not be capables of heigth-finding detections.

As hints, in my personal tables about the EC-121, compilated some time ago from many books:

PO-2W/WV-2/EC-121K (10/1954-1979): APS-20, APS-45, ESM. USNx142.

EC-121M (WV-2Q) (1960+): APS-20, APS-45, ESM. USNx12, SIGINT.

EC-121N (WV-3) (1955-1971): APS-20, APS-45, RWR. USN.

RC-121C (1953?+): APS-20, APS-45, ESM. USAFx10.

RC/EC-121D (1954+): APS-20, APS-45, ESM. USAFx74.

EC-121H (1960+): APS-95 (AS/SS,2D,250 nm), APS-103 (3D, 168 nm), ESM. USAFx42. Upgrade, SAGE capable.

EC-121Q Gold Digger (1962?+): APS-95 (AS/SS,2D,250 nm), APS-103 (3D, 168 nm), ESM. USAFx4, U-2 Dragonlady mission support, 966th Sq. at McCoy AFB.

EC-121R Batcat (1967-1971?): APS-42 (SS, 200? nm), ESM. USAFx30, 10 equipped with ECM.

EC-121S Coronet Solo: Pennsylvania ANGx5, for TV broadcasting. Also NC-121J.

EC-121T (1968?-1978): APS-95, not upper dome in many, ESM. USAFx22, employed for ELINT.


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 12/8/2013 1:48:12 PM   
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Thanks for all the updates, Devs - great work.
A small request - the RAN A4G Skyhawks (A/C 1639 in the CWDB) used "buddy" refueling packs fairly regularly, but these are not available in the load outs.
Is it possible to add buddy refuel stores for this A/C?

Thanks for considering.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 12/12/2013 1:31:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Yak-25RV, a heavily modified version specifically built to fly higher, still has the lower 12,200 meter ceiling of the ordinary fighter version.

Two sources put the ceiling of the Yak-25RV at 20,500 meters and 21,000 meters, respectfully.

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 12/13/2013 4:26:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not sure if there were any important differences between these aircraft and the ones sold to other countries, but some of Yugoslavia's air force seems to be missing for the 1960s.

Mig-21F-13 Fishbed C
F/RF-84G jun53-jul74 -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-84_Thunderjet
F-86: SFR Yugoslav Air Force, Acquired 130 U.S.-made F-86Ds and operated them between 1961 and 1974. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-86D_Sabre
F-86: Yugoslav Air Force, Acquired 121 Canadair CL-13s and F-86Es, operating them in several fighter aviation regiments between 1956 and 1971. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-86_Sabre#Operators

http://www.vojska.net/eng/armed-forces/yugoslavia/airforce/organization/1960/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Air_Force#Aircraft_inventory_1965-1985

Yugoslavia purchased its first batch of MiG-21s in 1962 from the Soviet Union. In the period from 1962 to the early 1980s Yugoslavia had purchased up to 216 MiG-21s in nine variants." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21#Yugoslavia



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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 12/14/2013 2:04:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not sure if this is a bug or a design issue with the ship in question. I cannot get the Andrea Doria (C 553) to launch her helicopters. When I checked, it says the helicopters are waiting for an elevator, but there is no elevator listed as part of the ship.

So...I don't know if there should be an elevator, or if the hanger should be changed--am I right that it is the type of hanger that tells the game whether or not an elevator, runway access path, etc. is needed?--or is it something else?

I'm trying to use the Andrea Doria as part of a scenario, so I hope someone can figure out if there is something wrong with the entry so it can be fixed or if I'm just doing something wrong with the aircraft. Thanks.

(Here is a copy of the file.)


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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 12/16/2013 1:54:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

Not sure if this is a bug or a design issue with the ship in question. I cannot get the Andrea Doria (C 553) to launch her helicopters. When I checked, it says the helicopters are waiting for an elevator, but there is no elevator listed as part of the ship.

So...I don't know if there should be an elevator, or if the hanger should be changed--am I right that it is the type of hanger that tells the game whether or not an elevator, runway access path, etc. is needed?--or is it something else?

I'm trying to use the Andrea Doria as part of a scenario, so I hope someone can figure out if there is something wrong with the entry so it can be fixed or if I'm just doing something wrong with the aircraft. Thanks.

(Here is a copy of the file.)




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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 12/16/2013 1:55:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

I'm not sure if there were any important differences between these aircraft and the ones sold to other countries, but some of Yugoslavia's air force seems to be missing for the 1960s.

Mig-21F-13 Fishbed C
F/RF-84G jun53-jul74 -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_F-84_Thunderjet
F-86: SFR Yugoslav Air Force, Acquired 130 U.S.-made F-86Ds and operated them between 1961 and 1974. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-86D_Sabre
F-86: Yugoslav Air Force, Acquired 121 Canadair CL-13s and F-86Es, operating them in several fighter aviation regiments between 1956 and 1971. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-86_Sabre#Operators

http://www.vojska.net/eng/armed-forces/yugoslavia/airforce/organization/1960/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Air_Force#Aircraft_inventory_1965-1985

Yugoslavia purchased its first batch of MiG-21s in 1962 from the Soviet Union. In the period from 1962 to the early 1980s Yugoslavia had purchased up to 216 MiG-21s in nine variants." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21#Yugoslavia





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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 12/16/2013 7:50:34 PM   
Broncepulido

 

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Status: offline 		Against as is usually reported, the Essex-class carriers converted in LPH, USS Boxer LPH-4, USS Valley Forge LPH-8 and USS Princeton LPH-5, get only a máximum speed of 25 knots (not 33 knots), as four of the eight boilers were removed, and the installed power fall from 150000 shp to 75000 shp, as stated in Norman Friedman's "US Aircraft Carriers, an Illustrated Design History", USNI 1983, page 369, or here:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/11/1104.htm
(the navysource page reports 33 knots speed, BUT cites only 75000 shp, and that motivated me to research about the issue).

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 12/17/2013 9:21:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Reading about the Red Storm scenario in project, I remembered this link I hope can help (I don't know if these radar sites are implemented in the database):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Air_Force_aircraft_control_and_warning_squadrons#Sites_Outside_the_United_States
The Iceland sites are designated H-xx, and in each individual entry of Iceland radar sites on Wikipedia are listed the radar types of each site.
Other link with links to similar stuff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_USAF_Aerospace_Defense_Command_General_Surveillance_Radar_Stations

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RE: Cold War Database 1946-1979 Platform Requests - 12/19/2013 5:53:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see none Sea King variant is equipped with sonobuoys !!!!! (I was verifing platforms for a possible scenario)

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