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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 5:11:11 PM

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The attack came but only with a portion of the Allied forces here involved. The rollover after shows 22k+ troops but only 4600 attack. So, are the rest incapacitated? Are they waiting and resting about to attack the next turn? We will see.

The Allies lower the forts this time which is critical. Also they get about even losses to the Japanese, and that of course favors them since there are 5x the Allied troops here now!

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR October 12, 42
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Ground combat at Marcus Island (123,85)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3294 troops, 48 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 94

Defending force 11747 troops, 295 guns, 315 vehicles, Assault Value = 342

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
98 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 9 (6 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Sasebo 7th SNLF
2nd South Seas Gsn
8th Armored Car Co
78th Naval Guard Unit
Det. 3rd Special Base Force /1
34th Ind. Engineer Regiment

Defending units:
25th Infantry Division
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
194th Tank Bn /6
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
143rd USA Base Force
146th USA Base Force

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Ground combat at Marcus Island (123,85)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 4606 troops, 188 guns, 111 vehicles, Assault Value = 331

Defending force 3722 troops, 47 guns, 34 vehicles, Assault Value = 90

Allied adjusted assault: 38

Japanese adjusted defense: 22

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 6)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 5

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
391 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (10 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
415 casualties reported
Squads: 25 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (7 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Assaulting units:
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
25th Infantry Division
194th Tank Bn /6
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
143rd USA Base Force
146th USA Base Force

Defending units:
Sasebo 7th SNLF
78th Naval Guard Unit
2nd South Seas Gsn
8th Armored Car Co
Det. 3rd Special Base Force /1
34th Ind. Engineer Regiment

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 5:16:37 PM

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I decided it is time to move the KB out a bit to prepare for a strike possibility. All TFs are fueled and ready, full complement of planes and now all ready to fly.

I only have them moving 4 hexes off of the Marianas, and that will be a good spot in case I want to either move to engage the Allied CVs or try to hit the retreating ships should Marcus hold for one more day!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 5:20:00 PM

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Over in Burma I can't quite believe what happened with my George CAP over Taung Gyi. A cooperating P-47 sweep came in and the Georges murdered them!

I also notice a bunch of Hellcat losses to ops. I bet his planes are suffering from the extended use. A sign it could be time to try something.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR October 12, 42
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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 65 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 102

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 113

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 6 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
11 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
18 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
10 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet
5 x P-47D2 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

CAP engaged:
253 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 3 on standby, 10 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 8 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41010 , scrambling fighters between 37000 and 41010.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
202 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (8 airborne, 5 on standby, 9 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41010 , scrambling fighters between 39000 and 46000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
Zuikaku-1 with N1K1-J George (3 airborne, 4 on standby, 12 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 5 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41010 , scrambling fighters between 38000 and 41010.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes
Junyo-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41010 , scrambling fighters between 41000 and 43000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 50 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Taung Gyi , at 59,48

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 54 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 76

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
253 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
16 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41010 , scrambling fighters between 40010 and 45000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 93 minutes
202 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 7 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41010 , scrambling fighters between 39000 and 46000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 106 minutes
Zuikaku-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 4 scrambling)
10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 8 being recalled, 5 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41010 , scrambling fighters between 38000 and 46000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 81 minutes
Junyo-1 with N1K1-J George (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 41010 , scrambling fighters between 41010 and 45000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 5:24:48 PM

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So I just had to hurry through this because Torsten just sent another turn back in 30 minutes!!

He's going again, more landings and more bombardments, this time at least three seperate TFs!

Here are my guys after the last turn. Not great. I'm trying to fly in some more help, but not sure it'll be enough.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 5:25:57 PM

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There are about 5-6 sub attacks as the Allied fleets maneuver into position around Marcus.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 5:26:40 PM

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Banzai!!!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 5:31:16 PM

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The Allied bombardments are not strong this time, as most likely many ships are low on ammo. The Allied CVs come out in front of Marcus though as far as I can tell! They seem to be back to attacking subs and not the troops which is fantastic!

Wait, no scratch that. They hit the base hard.

This could be it.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 5:33:45 PM

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He took out another good amount of our slim combat forces. The attack is beginning with the unfortunately necessary Japanese bombardment. Looks like his forces aren't doing too well either, but it might be just good enough. Now for the combat itself ...

(getting jittery here)

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 5:35:30 PM

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WE HOLD AGAIN!!!!!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 5:50:18 PM

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Well done.

Can I cross post some of the midgets hitting into my midget sub thread in the War room. Your performance here is amazing!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 6:08:55 PM

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Well done.

Can I cross post some of the midgets hitting into my midget sub thread in the War room. Your performance here is amazing!

Well, there are a lot of them there. I think the key is disbanding daily, although it's a pain to set up 12 new TFs every day.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 6:10:03 PM

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I know that many people land base forces, construction engineers, and such with the assault forces (and I assume they are 100% prepared) but I just think it's the wrong way to go. Yes, they provide more support squads and maybe a little AA (landing a dedicated AA unit often makes sense), but they increase the stacking level and cause every device in every unit to eat more supply plus take a little more disruption and fatigue penalty. And of course the support forces are usually pretty beat up when combat is over and must recover to achieve full usefulness.

BTW, that 1st Cavalry (Spec) Cav Div is not a full size division like the regular IDs are.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 6:48:32 PM

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So. Not sure I want to risk the KB here. Thinking of just pushing it back next to Saipan.

What do you guys think. Worth the risk to hit a tired Allied fleet or not?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 7:36:43 PM

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I know that many people land base forces, construction engineers, and such with the assault forces (and I assume they are 100% prepared) but I just think it's the wrong way to go. Yes, they provide more support squads and maybe a little AA (landing a dedicated AA unit often makes sense), but they increase the stacking level and cause every device in every unit to eat more supply plus take a little more disruption and fatigue penalty. And of course the support forces are usually pretty beat up when combat is over and must recover to achieve full usefulness.

BTW, that 1st Cavalry (Spec) Cav Div is not a full size division like the regular IDs are.

I agree. I think he just realized that even if he landed stuff and took the base he'd have to then pull out eventually with the fleet. Judging by the last combat adjustment, from around 300 AV to 3 in combat, something is now amiss.

Here is the report from that one.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR October 13, 42
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Ground combat at Marcus Island (123,85)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 4465 troops, 192 guns, 112 vehicles, Assault Value = 308

Defending force 3169 troops, 54 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 70

Allied adjusted assault: 3

Japanese adjusted defense: 35

Allied assault odds: 1 to 11 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
290 casualties reported
Squads: 13 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (3 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
558 casualties reported
Squads: 31 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 12 (7 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Vehicles lost 13 (12 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
194th Tank Battalion
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
25th Infantry Division
143rd USA Base Force
146th USA Base Force

Defending units:
Det. 3rd Special Base Force /1
78th Naval Guard Unit
Sasebo 7th SNLF
62nd Nav Gd /1
8th Armored Car Co
2nd South Seas Gsn
34th Ind. Engineer Regiment

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 7:59:18 PM

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Worst of all - why is he shock attacking? He is smashing his sword on the rocks!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 8:15:18 PM

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I think the ships he has that carry supply also have troops, so if he wants supply he has to land troops and shock.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 10:32:03 PM

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The state of these troops is not great. I have a feeling though that the Allies will not be able to attack seriously for a while. It seems like more supply and the removal of some shattered and over-stacked troops will be needed. He does have some landing craft here now and might try to take some off I would guess.

There are 22k+ Allies now at Marcus on a 6k SL atoll.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 10:37:53 PM

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I saw that Buna made level 6 so thought maybe it was time for a visit. I saw only 4 fighters listed, but it seems he has a lot of fighters on CAP at more than zero range. We got hit by the bleeding CAP and lost a bunch of Oscars plus a few Helens. I think I can exploit that soon with sweeps to surrounding bases though.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 10:39:11 PM

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Here are the losses on the day. Not great but at least the base took significant damage and I learned something I might be able to use.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/11/2015 10:40:27 PM

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In Burma now the troops blocking the 300k Allied army have all dug in. It's a pretty secure position now.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/12/2015 7:41:37 AM

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In Burma now the troops blocking the 300k Allied army have all dug in. It's a pretty secure position now.

Are you having any difficulties keeping supplied?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/12/2015 8:00:20 AM

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In Burma now the troops blocking the 300k Allied army have all dug in. It's a pretty secure position now.

Are you having any difficulties keeping supplied?

No, not here. It's on a yellow road but only one hex from a gray road/rail hub at Taung Gyi. As long as I keep the ships coming to Rangoon/Moulmein the supply is not a problem for the Japanese.

He on the other hand is not near good supply centers and has another 200k+ mouths to feed, not to mention guns to arm, and he is also on a long LOC through the jungles of Burma to India.

I've been steadily bombing Lashio, Akyab and Ramree Island to inhibit supply flow and deprive the Allies of nearby airbases to fly in supply and CAP the area.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/12/2015 8:29:21 AM

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In Burma now the troops blocking the 300k Allied army have all dug in. It's a pretty secure position now.

Are you having any difficulties keeping supplied?

No, not here. It's on a yellow road but only one hex from a gray road/rail hub at Taung Gyi. As long as I keep the ships coming to Rangoon/Moulmein the supply is not a problem for the Japanese.

He on the other hand is not near good supply centers and has another 200k+ mouths to feed, not to mention guns to arm, and he is also on a long LOC through the jungles of Burma to India.

I've been steadily bombing Lashio, Akyab and Ramree Island to inhibit supply flow and deprive the Allies of nearby airbases to fly in supply and CAP the area.

*nods lots*

I have spent hours trying to figure out a way to supply a land war from India, through Burma, into China, and then on to Manchuko and Korea. I guess once the Allies have heaps of carriers to escort supply convoys, it could be done. But, that puts the war into late or early '44. Dangit!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/12/2015 9:01:25 AM

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How are you guarding the sea flank? Any risk of amphibous operations behind your lines?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/12/2015 10:11:02 AM

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How are you guarding the sea flank? Any risk of amphibous operations behind your lines?

Which areas do you mean?

There is always a risk when the KB location is known. Previously the KB was in a central position so it could react. There are surface forces in each region plus decent amounts of LBA strike planes. One thing that makes me think he's not planning other sneaky ops is the distribution of air power (almost all 4E in India and some in SW Pac, plus ALL P-47s in India and ALL P-38s in SW PAC). The concentration of Allied CV strength is in sight here, and there is not much else on the board.

There is extended search from Cocos in the Indian Ocean plus I-boats with Glens aiming to fill holes in this search. Sabang has major search and recon. The area near Burma has extensive search and recon.

From Broome West OZ is still in Japanese hands. There is some early warning search and subs along the coast from Perth up to Exmouth to provide some warning. Merauke has search for the South of New Guinea.

In the North extended search flies from Paramushiro into the Aleutians and several PBs are on picket duty in the area North of Marcus and South of the Kuriles.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/12/2015 10:22:46 AM

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*nods lots*

I have spent hours trying to figure out a way to supply a land war from India, through Burma, into China, and then on to Manchuko and Korea. I guess once the Allies have heaps of carriers to escort supply convoys, it could be done. But, that puts the war into late or early '44. Dangit!

The Allied commanders probably spent more than a few hours thinking about the same problems. There is a reason this area of the map did not get cleared out before 45 in the war.

If you look at a lot of AARs that get into the late game, it is possible, but there isn't a quick fix. It takes step by step moves with a larger strategic goal in mind and the logistics in place to achieve that. The hard part starting out is understanding the logistics that are possible. Burma has special monsoon rules. There are no continuous roads from India to Burma. This all makes everything very slow moving and a real slog. As it was.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/12/2015 10:31:49 AM

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How are you guarding the sea flank? Any risk of amphibous operations behind your lines?

Which areas do you mean?

There is always a risk when the KB location is known. Previously the KB was in a central position so it could react. There are surface forces in each region plus decent amounts of LBA strike planes. One thing that makes me think he's not planning other sneaky ops is the distribution of air power (almost all 4E in India and some in SW Pac, plus ALL P-47s in India and ALL P-38s in SW PAC). The concentration of Allied CV strength is in sight here, and there is not much else on the board.

There is extended search from Cocos in the Indian Ocean plus I-boats with Glens aiming to fill holes in this search. Sabang has major search and recon. The area near Burma has extensive search and recon.

From Broome West OZ is still in Japanese hands. There is some early warning search and subs along the coast from Perth up to Exmouth to provide some warning. Merauke has search for the South of New Guinea.

In the North extended search flies from Paramushiro into the Aleutians and several PBs are on picket duty in the area North of Marcus and South of the Kuriles.

I was talking about your blocking position in Burma. Looks like you have got that angle covered as good as possible. Would it be possible for him to strike from the south towards Java or perhaps Sumatra?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/12/2015 11:19:56 AM

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How are you guarding the sea flank? Any risk of amphibous operations behind your lines?

Which areas do you mean?

There is always a risk when the KB location is known. Previously the KB was in a central position so it could react. There are surface forces in each region plus decent amounts of LBA strike planes. One thing that makes me think he's not planning other sneaky ops is the distribution of air power (almost all 4E in India and some in SW Pac, plus ALL P-47s in India and ALL P-38s in SW PAC). The concentration of Allied CV strength is in sight here, and there is not much else on the board.

There is extended search from Cocos in the Indian Ocean plus I-boats with Glens aiming to fill holes in this search. Sabang has major search and recon. The area near Burma has extensive search and recon.

From Broome West OZ is still in Japanese hands. There is some early warning search and subs along the coast from Perth up to Exmouth to provide some warning. Merauke has search for the South of New Guinea.

In the North extended search flies from Paramushiro into the Aleutians and several PBs are on picket duty in the area North of Marcus and South of the Kuriles.

I was talking about your blocking position in Burma. Looks like you have got that angle covered as good as possible. Would it be possible for him to strike from the south towards Java or perhaps Sumatra?

It would. It think he was discouraged earlier when I shut down his push for the Andamans in spite of his superiority in CVs. I doubt he'll go out on a limb like that after experiencing that LBA can really get to landings in this area with a density of big bases.

I have decent primary defenses and forts in all possible Sumatra and Java landing sites and I'm bringing more soon. The air bases though are very good around here.

Also, he has 12k AV tied up in Burma including most good Brit/Indian troops, a Marine Division and some very good Aussies. There are US troops but he has to have some prepping in the Pacific if he's going for Marcus, right?

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/12/2015 12:04:29 PM

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I decided it is time to move the KB out a bit to prepare for a strike possibility. All TFs are fueled and ready, full complement of planes and now all ready to fly.

I think I's take the shot here. His air crews are a bit worn down the numbers will not get better that they are now. He is now in he "carrier a month" club so the next time you meet he will have 3 or 4 more. In he long run Marcus is lost but you could put a huge black eye on him and put his timetable back months. I would not go chest to chest but get just close enough and you might get a good strike in. Maybe you stay near land based air and he gets pulled in. You can replace the aircraft at this point and you are not too far from friendly ports

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes :: obvert (J) vs Historiker (A) - 5/12/2015 12:42:22 PM

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I decided it is time to move the KB out a bit to prepare for a strike possibility. All TFs are fueled and ready, full complement of planes and now all ready to fly.

I think I's take the shot here. His air crews are a bit worn down the numbers will not get better that they are now. He is now in he "carrier a month" club so the next time you meet he will have 3 or 4 more. In he long run Marcus is lost but you could put a huge black eye on him and put his timetable back months. I would not go chest to chest but get just close enough and you might get a good strike in. Maybe you stay near land based air and he gets pulled in. You can replace the aircraft at this point and you are not too far from friendly ports

Well, I went against my cautiousness and did something I might still regret but I did come to a similar conclusion. On the map of the Pacific above I've marked the KB and Allied CV positions. I didn't mark the confirmed position of the retreating Allied BBs moving toward Wake, but that's what that TF is made up of on the East side of the map. I decided to go for a distant strike on the back side of Marcus in an area he'd moved into many times with a secondary target of the BBs.

Last turn the KB was undetected 4 hexes out from Saipan. I was only able to use the fast CVs for this op, which made it a real risk, as did moving so far out, 18 hexes at full flank. If he'd retreated with the CVs far enough this could have been really poor. He didn't.

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