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Blackhorse -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/4/2008 4:31:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Flying Tiger
I have made my suggested improvements/changes previously (only units in combat effected, etc), but another suggestion is to restrict malaria effects to combat personnel ONLY (ie. any ITEM with AV greater than 1 (note ITEM not unit - so within a base force unit the combat troops ARE affected by malaria, but non-combat components NOT affected) - so support personnel, bulldozers, etc dont wither away).

And BTW - should it be effected or affected?????????????????? AAAARRRGGGHHHHH!! I hate english - and it is my language!


Affected in this case.




Flying Tiger -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/4/2008 4:50:22 AM)

Thanks Blackhorse. Glad somebody knows right and wrong!!

Still no comment on the actual issue (ie. malaria) from AE team though.....




Knavey -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/6/2008 2:32:48 AM)

Thought I saw comments on the malaria issue in the Land thread.




Andy Mac -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/6/2008 9:26:05 AM)

Not really a lot I can say on it we are not making huge changes in this area although rest mode would have an impact.





Japan -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/7/2008 6:36:11 PM)

QUESTION ABOUT AE





1] Will it be Possible for the Japanese to Build Pilot Schools, or in any Way Effect the amount of new Pilot's that gets availeble?





2] In realety, POW's post both a Problem and a Resours, will this in any facion be implemented, for example by adding an amount of Light Industry for every Divition the Japanese Destroy, who would simulated Forced Labour.. (or is this to Sencetive to be in a computer game maby..)




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Andrew Brown -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/9/2008 8:26:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Skyland

A drydock (lenght 160m, depth 9.5m, width 22m) was build in Saigon in 1885 as well as some ship repair facilities (French Arsenal de Saigon).
The drydock and facilities are still in use nowadays : 10°47'7.00"N, 106°42'35.00"E in Google Earth.

Will AE have those facilities?

Thx


Interesting. I had no idea this existed. Was it used at all by the Japanese?

Andrew




Andrew Brown -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/9/2008 8:31:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Flying Tiger

quote:

Hope this is right place to ask about Malaria zones (yet again?! - I hear you venting... [:'(]).

Did you change (or will you?) in AE criteria for deciding if units in a base within malaria zone are immune to malaria effects? Currently the only criteria - besides of explicit exclusion list based on base index (slot) - is Airfield SPS assigned to base by scenario designer. That is only units in bases with AF SPS > 8 are immune to malaria disease. That criteria does not seem to be very helpful (most such bases - like Singapore -are excluded explicitly anyway), is rather counterintuitive (I would expect actual size of AF/Port to be used in criteria instead), and from what I remember is inconsistent with the manual (well, yes I know, I know ...).
OTOH the change would be rather easy to do without (hopefully) much of side effect. Well, it always easier to talk then walk but I keep my hopes high [:)]



Any response from the AE team???? This malaria issue comes up in the forums AGAIN AND AGAIN!! We all vent our frustration at the current system.... but very little response from anyone on the team.

Please, is anything being done about the malaria zone effects?

I have made my suggested improvements/changes previously (only units in combat effected, etc), but another suggestion is to restrict malaria effects to combat personnel ONLY (ie. any ITEM with AV greater than 1 (note ITEM not unit - so within a base force unit the combat troops ARE affected by malaria, but non-combat components NOT affected) - so support personnel, bulldozers, etc dont wither away).

And BTW - should it be effected or affected?????????????????? AAAARRRGGGHHHHH!! I hate english - and it is my language!


I don't think there have been any changes to how malaria effects are calculated. But I do agree that port size as well as airfield size should be a factor in determining malaria effects. I will add this to my list of things to be checked, but that is a long list and not everything on the list will have time to be looked at, unfortunately.

Andrew




Japan -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/9/2008 3:52:20 PM)

1] Will it be Possible for the Japanese to Build Pilot Schools, or in any Way Effect the amount of new Pilot's that gets availeble?




Andrew Brown -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/9/2008 3:56:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Japan

1] Will it be Possible for the Japanese to Build Pilot Schools, or in any Way Effect the amount of new Pilot's that gets availeble?


Sorry, but I don't really know. Perhaps ask in the air thread?

Andrew




Andrew Brown -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/9/2008 3:57:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Japan

QUESTION ABOUT AE
2] In realety, POW's post both a Problem and a Resours, will this in any facion be implemented, for example by adding an amount of Light Industry for every Divition the Japanese Destroy, who would simulated Forced Labour.. (or is this to Sencetive to be in a computer game maby..)


No, there is no provision for making use of POWs. Not a question of sensitivity, but of game scope.

Andrew




JeffroK -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/9/2008 4:23:08 PM)

Supresses thoughts about how the japanese used and abused their POW's[:@]

AB, 
Have you seen the series of booklets issued in WW2 which covered the terrain and characteristics of various points of the Pacific, and has maps of the areas??   I saw about 50 in the collection, had a quick read of the Manila booklet which had population details, industry etc about 50 pages.  The booklets are about 6" X 3".
The ones I saw were at Deakin Uni Geelong, if you, or anyone else is interested I could get the titles next weekend.





Andrew Brown -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/9/2008 4:38:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JeffK
AB,
Have you seen the series of booklets issued in WW2 which covered the terrain and characteristics of various points of the Pacific, and has maps of the areas?? I saw about 50 in the collection, had a quick read of the Manila booklet which had population details, industry etc about 50 pages. The booklets are about 6" X 3".
The ones I saw were at Deakin Uni Geelong, if you, or anyone else is interested I could get the titles next weekend.


No I haven't heard of these. Sounds very interesting! If you are able to borrow one or two I would be very interested to see them. You work in Southbank don't you? Might have to arrange a "business" lunch...

Andrew





Skyland -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/9/2008 5:39:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown


quote:

ORIGINAL: Skyland

A drydock (lenght 160m, depth 9.5m, width 22m) was build in Saigon in 1885 as well as some ship repair facilities (French Arsenal de Saigon).
The drydock and facilities are still in use nowadays : 10°47'7.00"N, 106°42'35.00"E in Google Earth.

Will AE have those facilities?

Thx


Interesting. I had no idea this existed. Was it used at all by the Japanese?

Andrew


Saigon harbor facilities were controlled by japanese and used for exportation from Indochina to Japan (rice, rubber, tin, coal, manganese).
Saigon was also used as a stage for merchants convoys from Singapore to Japan.

I see no reason for the japanese not to use the drydock itself if needed.

Drydock in use (1931)

[image]local://upfiles/23975/06B04A8E68CF46FA8F013F23BED7B87C.jpg[/image]




Alexander Seil -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/9/2008 10:38:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Supresses thoughts about how the japanese used and abused their POW's[:@]



I assume you already suppressed any thought about the Allied treatment of Japanese POWs? There's hardly much evidence for the Allies having a high moral horse to sit on, in the Pacific at least [8|]

Although, it's rather unfortunate that many operational wargames ignore this issue. Certainly, shepherding, organizing, directing POW's to the camps and guarding them took up a lot of time and effort, although more so in Europe than in the Far East.




Skyland -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/9/2008 10:48:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Skyland

quote:

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown


quote:

ORIGINAL: Skyland

A drydock (lenght 160m, depth 9.5m, width 22m) was build in Saigon in 1885 as well as some ship repair facilities (French Arsenal de Saigon).
The drydock and facilities are still in use nowadays : 10°47'7.00"N, 106°42'35.00"E in Google Earth.

Will AE have those facilities?

Thx


Interesting. I had no idea this existed. Was it used at all by the Japanese?

Andrew


Saigon harbor facilities were controlled by japanese and used for exportation from Indochina to Japan (rice, rubber, tin, coal, manganese).
Saigon was also used as a stage for merchants convoys from Singapore to Japan.

I see no reason for the japanese not to use the drydock itself if needed.

Drydock in use (1931)

[image]local://upfiles/23975/06B04A8E68CF46FA8F013F23BED7B87C.jpg[/image]



Saigon drydock in construction (1886)



[image]local://upfiles/23975/8C8ECA646A614AC8A441D53C28B92F86.jpg[/image]




JeffroK -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/10/2008 2:07:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Alexander Seil

quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Supresses thoughts about how the japanese used and abused their POW's[:@]



I assume you already suppressed any thought about the Allied treatment of Japanese POWs? There's hardly much evidence for the Allies having a high moral horse to sit on, in the Pacific at least [8|]

Although, it's rather unfortunate that many operational wargames ignore this issue. Certainly, shepherding, organizing, directing POW's to the camps and guarding them took up a lot of time and effort, although more so in Europe than in the Far East.



Please explain more, apart from the disinclination to take japanese prisoners, who were disinclined to allow themselves to be captured, I find very little organised and officially sanctioned maltreatment, starvation & outright murder of japanese POW.

Always willing to learn a bit more.




JeffroK -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/10/2008 2:09:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown


quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffK
AB,
Have you seen the series of booklets issued in WW2 which covered the terrain and characteristics of various points of the Pacific, and has maps of the areas?? I saw about 50 in the collection, had a quick read of the Manila booklet which had population details, industry etc about 50 pages. The booklets are about 6" X 3".
The ones I saw were at Deakin Uni Geelong, if you, or anyone else is interested I could get the titles next weekend.


Andrew,

I've bailed out of the city and now have a 7 minute drive from home, sheer luxury!!!

I'll be back at Deakin on the weekend, I'll see if I can troll up the titles on the catalogue. (I'm sure they were US Army booklets, many about the Phillipines)

No I haven't heard of these. Sounds very interesting! If you are able to borrow one or two I would be very interested to see them. You work in Southbank don't you? Might have to arrange a "business" lunch...

Andrew







Flying Tiger -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/10/2008 7:12:49 AM)

quote:


quote:

ORIGINAL: Alexander Seil


quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Supresses thoughts about how the japanese used and abused their POW's[:@]



I assume you already suppressed any thought about the Allied treatment of Japanese POWs? There's hardly much evidence for the Allies having a high moral horse to sit on, in the Pacific at least [8|]

Although, it's rather unfortunate that many operational wargames ignore this issue. Certainly, shepherding, organizing, directing POW's to the camps and guarding them took up a lot of time and effort, although more so in Europe than in the Far East.




Please explain more, apart from the disinclination to take japanese prisoners, who were disinclined to allow themselves to be captured, I find very little organised and officially sanctioned maltreatment, starvation & outright murder of japanese POW.

Always willing to learn a bit more. 



I'm with Jeff on this one - what do you (Alexander) know about Allied mistreatment of Jap POWs?? I know of some very 'nice' (relatively speaking) prison camps for Jap POWs around rural Aus. And  i know that generally the Japanes soldiers chose not to surrender, but have not heard much (any??) about Jap POWs being mistreated. Please enlighten us!




jwilkerson -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/10/2008 9:45:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Flying Tiger

quote:


quote:

ORIGINAL: Alexander Seil


quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Supresses thoughts about how the japanese used and abused their POW's[:@]



I assume you already suppressed any thought about the Allied treatment of Japanese POWs? There's hardly much evidence for the Allies having a high moral horse to sit on, in the Pacific at least [8|]

Although, it's rather unfortunate that many operational wargames ignore this issue. Certainly, shepherding, organizing, directing POW's to the camps and guarding them took up a lot of time and effort, although more so in Europe than in the Far East.




Please explain more, apart from the disinclination to take japanese prisoners, who were disinclined to allow themselves to be captured, I find very little organised and officially sanctioned maltreatment, starvation & outright murder of japanese POW.

Always willing to learn a bit more. 



I'm with Jeff on this one - what do you (Alexander) know about Allied mistreatment of Jap POWs?? I know of some very 'nice' (relatively speaking) prison camps for Jap POWs around rural Aus. And  i know that generally the Japanes soldiers chose not to surrender, but have not heard much (any??) about Jap POWs being mistreated. Please enlighten us!



I'm not with any of you on this topic. Crosses the line into politics. Take it elsewhere please. [:-]





Skyland -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/10/2008 2:58:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Skyland

quote:

ORIGINAL: Skyland

quote:

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown


quote:

ORIGINAL: Skyland

A drydock (lenght 160m, depth 9.5m, width 22m) was build in Saigon in 1885 as well as some ship repair facilities (French Arsenal de Saigon).
The drydock and facilities are still in use nowadays : 10°47'7.00"N, 106°42'35.00"E in Google Earth.

Will AE have those facilities?

Thx


Interesting. I had no idea this existed. Was it used at all by the Japanese?

Andrew


Saigon harbor facilities were controlled by japanese and used for exportation from Indochina to Japan (rice, rubber, tin, coal, manganese).
Saigon was also used as a stage for merchants convoys from Singapore to Japan.

I see no reason for the japanese not to use the drydock itself if needed.

Drydock in use (1931)

[image]local://upfiles/23975/06B04A8E68CF46FA8F013F23BED7B87C.jpg[/image]



Saigon drydock in construction (1886)

[image]local://upfiles/23975/8C8ECA646A614AC8A441D53C28B92F86.jpg[/image]



Postwar picture (not dated)



[image]local://upfiles/23975/9CFD8DA1A8C34692A5E78B5E3B121D9D.jpg[/image]




Andrew Brown -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/10/2008 4:03:01 PM)

Thanks for the pics and info Skyland

Andrew




Flying Tiger -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/11/2008 2:36:09 AM)

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JeffroK -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/15/2008 9:55:09 AM)

AB,

The booklets I was talking about are as follows

ALLIED GEOGRAPHICAL SECTION
SWPA
TERRAIN HANDBOOK (About 50 in the series)
Published about 11/44
 
Chapter headings
INTRO & GENERAL DESCRIPTION
DESCRIPTION OF COASTLINE & LANDING BEACHES
ROADS & TRAILS
AIRFIELDS, POSSIBLE AIRFIELD SITES & SEAPLANE LANDING PLACES
PHISIOGRAPHY & VEGETATION
POPULATION, ADMINISTRATION & TOWNS
TRANSPORTATION & SIGNAL COMMUNICATIONS
RESOURCES
MEDICAL PROBLEMS
METEOROLOGICAL
 
I looked at the Manila & Manila City booklets, lots of maps & photos. Does your map show the Dewey Blvd Airfield?????
They cover all of the coasts fought over by the SWPA.
 
If you want some specific info let me know.




JeffroK -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (6/23/2008 2:50:10 AM)

AB,

A further recce,

They also have the folio size map binders, not able to be borrowed but I could copy them.

Approx 100 in the shelves, they cover a wider area than the booklets, one was for the Kanto plain!

Jeff




Charbroiled -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (7/9/2008 7:16:21 PM)

I was wondering if ship traffic is still going to be allowed between India and Sri Lanka in AE. These 2 land masses are connected by "Adam's Bridge" (Rama's Bridge) and is only 3 to 30 feet in depth. Historically, it is only navigatable by small crafts.

It can easily be seen using Google Earth.

More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama's_Bridge




treespider -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (7/9/2008 9:26:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Charbroiled

I was wondering if ship traffic is still going to be allowed between India and Sri Lanka in AE. These 2 land masses are connected by "Adam's Bridge" (Rama's Bridge) and is only 3 to 30 feet in depth. Historically, it is only navigatable by small crafts.

It can easily be seen using Google Earth.

More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama's_Bridge



No.




Cap Mandrake -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (7/15/2008 2:41:14 AM)

The Burma Road between Lashio and Kunming does not cross the Red River as shown on the standard WITP map....or if it does it was a smaller tributary. It does cross the Salween and Mekong (Lancang) which were significant obstacles. In fact, I think what is labeled the Red River is actually the Mekong.

Is this corrected in AE?




bradfordkay -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (7/15/2008 7:29:05 AM)

Since it was corrected on Andrew Brown's map as used in CHS, I expect that it will be correct in AE.




Andrew Brown -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (7/15/2008 12:00:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The Burma Road between Lashio and Kunming does not cross the Red River as shown on the standard WITP map....or if it does it was a smaller tributary. It does cross the Salween and Mekong (Lancang) which were significant obstacles. In fact, I think what is labeled the Red River is actually the Mekong.

Is this corrected in AE?


Yes it is corrected in AE. The Burma Road crosses the Salween and the Mekong (which gets short shrift on the stock map), and not the Red River. As bradfordkay mentioned I corrected this on my WitP 1 map as well.

Andrew




Cap Mandrake -> RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread (7/15/2008 4:38:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The Burma Road between Lashio and Kunming does not cross the Red River as shown on the standard WITP map....or if it does it was a smaller tributary. It does cross the Salween and Mekong (Lancang) which were significant obstacles. In fact, I think what is labeled the Red River is actually the Mekong.

Is this corrected in AE?


Yes it is corrected in AE. The Burma Road crosses the Salween and the Mekong (which gets short shrift on the stock map), and not the Red River. As bradfordkay mentioned I corrected this on my WitP 1 map as well.

Andrew


Ah, thank you sir. It appears I am late to the party.

BTW...is it just me or does anyone else think the Sierra Nevada and the moutains on Formosa are too silver/grey?
Perhaps it is just the sharp demarcation at the hex border that is jarring

In contrast, the mountians in Yunan province are absolutely beautiful. Are there two kinds of mountain terrain? The map of SE Asia is absolutely beautiful. The roads and rail graphics are great.




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