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Orm -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (10/31/2009 12:27:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets quote: ORIGINAL: Orm Who is supposed to have said following quote? Please, remember, to answer from memmory and no internet browsing on the answer. "I don't know what the hell this "logistics" is that Marshall is always talking about, but I want some of it." Well, I don't know - never having heard the quote before. But I'll take a guess that it was McArthur. No, not McArthur.

wosung -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (10/31/2009 1:07:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Orm quote: ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets quote: ORIGINAL: Orm Who is supposed to have said following quote? Please, remember, to answer from memmory and no internet browsing on the answer. "I don't know what the hell this "logistics" is that Marshall is always talking about, but I want some of it." Well, I don't know - never having heard the quote before. But I'll take a guess that it was McArthur. No, not McArthur. Wasn't it King, the man who, according to his daughter was "always in a rage"? King and Marshall had to deal with each other in the staff in Washington and got along surprisingly well. The quote can be found in the book about FDR and his high ranking officers by Eric Larrabee (sp?) Regards

Orm -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (10/31/2009 9:07:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wosung quote: ORIGINAL: Orm Who is supposed to have said following quote? Please, remember, to answer from memmory and no internet browsing on the answer. "I don't know what the hell this "logistics" is that Marshall is always talking about, but I want some of it." Wasn't it King, the man who, according to his daughter was "always in a rage"? King and Marshall had to deal with each other in the staff in Washington and got along surprisingly well. The quote can be found in the book about FDR and his high ranking officers by Eric Larrabee (sp?) Regards That is correct. It was indeed Admiral Ernest King, C-C US Fleet, who is supposed to have said that. Your quote from the daughter made me look it up and the complete quote from her is: "He is the most even-tempered man in the Navy. He is always in a rage." Both King and Marshall seem to have been extraordinare men of the finest quality. [&o]

Orm -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/10/2010 7:14:21 PM)
I am wondering if you might know the name of the man I write about and from what country he is? About 70 years ago a 22 year old man, who some knew as No. 24 (but he had many other names and identities), begun his fight against Germany. This fight would make him the highest decorated man in his country. In fact he is the only person to ever recive the highest award from that country. He was also awarded the British Distinguished Service Order. He is the first non-american to be awarded the United States Special Operations Command Medal. He is also one of the few non-americans who has been awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. There is a statue of him in the nations capital. He is recently portrayed in a WWII movie. On his 90th birthday he was honored with a big reception that was attended by his King and other members of the Royal Family. Please. If you search on internet for the answer do not post it.

MajorDude -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/10/2010 9:31:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Orm I am wondering if you might know the name of the man I write about and from what country he is? About 70 years ago a 22 year old man, who some knew as No. 24 (but he had many other names and identities), begun his fight against Germany. This fight would make him the highest decorated man in his country. In fact he is the only person to ever recive the highest award from that country. He was also awarded the British Distinguished Service Order. He is the first non-american to be awarded the United States Special Operations Command Medal. He is also one of the few non-americans who has been awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. There is a statue of him in the nations capital. He is recently portrayed in a WWII movie. On his 90th birthday he was honored with a big reception that was attended by his King and other members of the Royal Family. Please. If you search on internet for the answer do not post it. The answer is: <I can't tell you because of Orm's request, lol> [sm=00000280.gif] If somebody can get it right without help, hats off to ya. [&o] A fascinating story indeed. [:)] Maybe they can name a mwif counter for him... [8D]

Froonp -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/10/2010 11:14:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Orm I am wondering if you might know the name of the man I write about and from what country he is? About 70 years ago a 22 year old man, who some knew as No. 24 (but he had many other names and identities), begun his fight against Germany. This fight would make him the highest decorated man in his country. In fact he is the only person to ever recive the highest award from that country. He was also awarded the British Distinguished Service Order. He is the first non-american to be awarded the United States Special Operations Command Medal. He is also one of the few non-americans who has been awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. There is a statue of him in the nations capital. He is recently portrayed in a WWII movie. On his 90th birthday he was honored with a big reception that was attended by his King and other members of the Royal Family. Please. If you search on internet for the answer do not post it. Absolutely no idea !!!!

Sewerlobster -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/11/2010 1:58:49 AM)
Okay, I had to look it up --- so what's the movie? I wouldn't mind seeing it.

paulderynck -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/11/2010 3:46:38 AM)
I think you are talking about William Stephenson, a Canadian, aka 'X'. I may have his name wrong but I think I'm close. Edit - 'X' was the spy training camp and the code name I was trying to raise was "Intrepid". I couldn't wait so I googled my guess. Some of the awards don't quite match so maybe it's a coincidence his resume is so close.

Orm -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/11/2010 8:13:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: paulderynck I think you are talking about William Stephenson, a Canadian, aka 'X'. I may have his name wrong but I think I'm close. Edit - 'X' was the spy training camp and the code name I was trying to raise was "Intrepid". I couldn't wait so I googled my guess. Some of the awards don't quite match so maybe it's a coincidence his resume is so close. No, it is not William Stephenson. And it is not a Canadian. Edit: And now I am going to look up and read about William Stephenson. [:)]

Orm -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/11/2010 8:17:07 AM)
I thought that the fact that he was honored by his King on his 90th birthday would give you a hint on what country I am asking for. Not that many countries has a King in present day.

Espen -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/11/2010 9:52:21 AM)
Since there is a book called "Rapport fra nr. 24", I would assume that it is either Gunnar S�nsteby or Max Manus, both members of the resisance group called the "Oslo-gang". Since there was a movie called Max Manus which was released last year, I'm going with that.

Orm -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/11/2010 11:36:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Espen Since there is a book called "Rapport fra nr. 24", I would assume that it is either Gunnar S�nsteby or Max Manus, both members of the resisance group called the "Oslo-gang". Since there was a movie called Max Manus which was released last year, I'm going with that. And you got it right. [sm=happy0065.gif] I was looking for Gunnar S�nsteby from Norway. If you want to take a peek on what he did during WWII you can always look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunnar_S%C3%B8nsteby but as always with wiki pages some facts may be wrong.

winky51 -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/13/2010 11:16:16 PM)
Ok here is one where you cant really google this. In the Battle of the Atlantic what was England what were some the most important improvement in ASW that was not based on technology and how did it impact the overall campaign.

Greyshaft -> WWII quiz: Capturing Churchill (4/14/2010 4:55:17 AM)
Here's another non-Googlable question. When was Winston Churchill almost captured by the Germans? Two Hints: * The answer is NOT in 'The Eagle Has Landed" * The answer IS in Winston Churchill's six volume history of the Second World War

Neilster -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/14/2010 6:27:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: winky51 Ok here is one where you cant really google this. In the Battle of the Atlantic what was England what were some the most important improvement in ASW that was not based on technology and how did it impact the overall campaign. It's hard to tell exactly what you mean but my guess would be the development of Operations Research (a branch of Discrete Modelling mathematics). It relates to improving the efficiency of processes. It enabled the Allies to maximise the effectiveness of their resources. Cheers, Neilster

paulderynck -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/14/2010 7:42:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Neilster quote: ORIGINAL: winky51 Ok here is one where you cant really google this. In the Battle of the Atlantic what was England what were some the most important improvement in ASW that was not based on technology and how did it impact the overall campaign. It's hard to tell exactly what you mean but my guess would be the development of Operations Research (a branch of Discrete Modelling mathematics). It relates to improving the efficiency of processes. It enabled the Allies to maximise the effectiveness of their resources. Cheers, Neilster ...and to vastly improve their forecasts about where the wolfpacks could be and would be.

micheljq -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/14/2010 1:49:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: winky51 Ok here is one where you cant really google this. In the Battle of the Atlantic what was England what were some the most important improvement in ASW that was not based on technology and how did it impact the overall campaign. The convoys system.

Extraneous -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/14/2010 2:52:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: micheljq quote: ORIGINAL: winky51 Ok here is one where you cant really google this. In the Battle of the Atlantic what was England what were some the most important improvement in ASW that was not based on technology and how did it impact the overall campaign. The convoys system. No convoys have been arround for a long time I.E. the Spanish treasure fleets from 1566 to 1790, and the convoys in World War I.

MajorDude -> RE: WWII quiz: Capturing Churchill (4/14/2010 5:55:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greyshaft Here's another non-Googlable question. When was Winston Churchill almost captured by the Germans? Two Hints: * The answer is NOT in 'The Eagle Has Landed" * The answer IS in Winston Churchill's six volume history of the Second World War "... In 1898 during the Boer war Churchill was sent to South Africa as the Morning Post's Correspondent. The book Winston S. Churchill: War Correspondent 1895-1900 by his grandson Winston Churchill M.P. tells of these times. While there he was captured by the Boers and held as a Prisoner of War in Pretoria. However within a month he, along with 2 other prisoners, escaped. His book My Early Life covers these years..." Hey, they got him, but the Germans couldn't... lol [8D]

Anendrue -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/14/2010 9:59:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Neilster quote: ORIGINAL: winky51 Ok here is one where you cant really google this. In the Battle of the Atlantic what was England what were some the most important improvement in ASW that was not based on technology and how did it impact the overall campaign. It's hard to tell exactly what you mean but my guess would be the development of Operations Research (a branch of Discrete Modelling mathematics). It relates to improving the efficiency of processes. It enabled the Allies to maximise the effectiveness of their resources. Cheers, Neilster Perhaps the creation of simplex mathematics. While publicly released in 1947 it was created by George Dantzig during the war. This mathematical modeling allowed for the shipping of thousands of items in the most efficient manner to destinations in desperate need of those items.

Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/14/2010 11:51:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: abj9562 quote: ORIGINAL: Neilster quote: ORIGINAL: winky51 Ok here is one where you cant really google this. In the Battle of the Atlantic what was England what were some the most important improvement in ASW that was not based on technology and how did it impact the overall campaign. It's hard to tell exactly what you mean but my guess would be the development of Operations Research (a branch of Discrete Modelling mathematics). It relates to improving the efficiency of processes. It enabled the Allies to maximise the effectiveness of their resources. I expect the British did these by hand. Cheers, Neilster Perhaps the creation of simplex mathematics. While publicly released in 1947 it was created by George Dantzig during the war. This mathematical modeling allowed for the shipping of thousands of items in the most efficient manner to destinations in desperate need of those items. Just for clarification, Simplex is considered part of Operations Research. When I got my Masters in OR, one of my professors had as part of the final exam performing a Simplex analysis by hand (no calculators), which was 25% of the test. Very tedious and time consuming. At all other times in my life, these have been done by a computer program.

Greyshaft -> RE: WWII quiz: Capturing Churchill (4/15/2010 11:40:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MajorDude quote: ORIGINAL: Greyshaft Here's another non-Googlable question. When was Winston Churchill almost captured by the Germans? Two Hints: * The answer is NOT in 'The Eagle Has Landed" * The answer IS in Winston Churchill's six volume history of the Second World War "... In 1898 during the Boer war Churchill was sent to South Africa as the Morning Post's Correspondent. The book Winston S. Churchill: War Correspondent 1895-1900 by his grandson Winston Churchill M.P. tells of these times. While there he was captured by the Boers and held as a Prisoner of War in Pretoria. However within a month he, along with 2 other prisoners, escaped. His book My Early Life covers these years..." Hey, they got him, but the Germans couldn't... lol [8D] No... this is an event in the Second World War while he was Prime Minister

Anendrue -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/15/2010 6:44:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets quote: ORIGINAL: abj9562 quote: ORIGINAL: Neilster quote: ORIGINAL: winky51 Ok here is one where you cant really google this. In the Battle of the Atlantic what was England what were some the most important improvement in ASW that was not based on technology and how did it impact the overall campaign. It's hard to tell exactly what you mean but my guess would be the development of Operations Research (a branch of Discrete Modelling mathematics). It relates to improving the efficiency of processes. It enabled the Allies to maximise the effectiveness of their resources. I expect the British did these by hand. Cheers, Neilster Perhaps the creation of simplex mathematics. While publicly released in 1947 it was created by George Dantzig during the war. This mathematical modeling allowed for the shipping of thousands of items in the most efficient manner to destinations in desperate need of those items. Just for clarification, Simplex is considered part of Operations Research. When I got my Masters in OR, one of my professors had as part of the final exam performing a Simplex analysis by hand (no calculators), which was 25% of the test. Very tedious and time consuming. At all other times in my life, these have been done by a computer program. If I never do another simplex analysis in my life I will be very happy. I only worked with it on my B.S. I can only guess what it must have been like at the Masters level.

michaelbaldur -> RE: WWII quiz: Capturing Churchill (4/15/2010 7:48:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greyshaft quote: ORIGINAL: MajorDude quote: ORIGINAL: Greyshaft Here's another non-Googlable question. When was Winston Churchill almost captured by the Germans? Two Hints: * The answer is NOT in 'The Eagle Has Landed" * The answer IS in Winston Churchill's six volume history of the Second World War "... In 1898 during the Boer war Churchill was sent to South Africa as the Morning Post's Correspondent. The book Winston S. Churchill: War Correspondent 1895-1900 by his grandson Winston Churchill M.P. tells of these times. While there he was captured by the Boers and held as a Prisoner of War in Pretoria. However within a month he, along with 2 other prisoners, escaped. His book My Early Life covers these years..." Hey, they got him, but the Germans couldn't... lol [8D] No... this is an event in the Second World War while he was Prime Minister I think I can remember that... he was almost captured. when he was visiting the frontline somewhere in north Africa.

rkr1958 -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/16/2010 4:10:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets When I got my Masters in OR, one of my professors had as part of the final exam performing a Simplex analysis by hand (no calculators), which was 25% of the test. Very tedious and time consuming. At all other times in my life, these have been done by a computer program. What a small world! I too have a Masters in OR (Ga. Tech 1981). And I also had to do several iterations of the Simplex method by hand both for homework and during a test. Except, if I remember correctly, the homework problem required us to iterate until we actually go the answer. That took several pages and a while to do. I do remember in one of my Mathematical Programming classes (I think it was Linear Programming) that the professor talked about the use of OR techniques in WW-II to help against German u-boats.

Neilster -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/16/2010 4:40:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rkr1958 quote: ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets When I got my Masters in OR, one of my professors had as part of the final exam performing a Simplex analysis by hand (no calculators), which was 25% of the test. Very tedious and time consuming. At all other times in my life, these have been done by a computer program. What a small world! I too have a Masters in OR (Ga. Tech 1981). And I also had to do several iterations of the Simplex method by hand both for homework and during a test. Except, if I remember correctly, the homework problem required us to iterate until we actually go the answer. That took several pages and a while to do. I do remember in one of my Mathematical Programming classes (I think it was Linear Programming) that the professor talked about the use of OR techniques in WW-II to help against German u-boats. As part of my university maths/computing major (2003-2005) I did heaps of hand calculations of this type in assignments and exams. Calculators were, as far as I remember, never allowed in exams and we were not allowed to use software in assignments/projects until we had shown we were adept at hand computation first. In Australia we have an old fashioned idea that mathematicians should be accurate and have an attention span [:'(]. Cheers, Neilster

winky51 -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/16/2010 6:40:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: winky51 Ok here is one where you cant really google this. In the Battle of the Atlantic what was England what were some the most important improvement in ASW that was not based on technology and how did it impact the overall campaign. quote: Ok here is one where you cant really google this. In the Battle of the Atlantic what was England what were some the most important improvement in ASW that was not based on technology and how did it impact the overall campaign. The Convoy system and mathematics of transport was involved. The UK originally believed it was better for ships to travel independently than in packs to get across the Atlantic because if found only 1 would be sunk and not many. But what was found is that convoys were better. Even though you had 20 ships (for example) in a convoy spreading over lots of open sea their foot print on the ocean was very tiny compared to having 20 ships sailing individually. The range of spotting the large convoy over the single ship was close to the same due to the curvature of the earth. Then later it was proven that doubling the size of a convoy only required 1 1/2 times more ASW ships to have the same protection. Less ASW covering more ships with same effectiveness. This was all proven mathmatically. These two principles alone vastly improved the convoy protection in WW2 for the UK. Now add in all the technology and air coverage and it improves even greater. The peak destruction of convoys in 1942 was mostly USA convoys not UK. The USA didnt listen to the UK and thought they knew better employing the same bad tactics, if not worse, that the UK did early in the war. The UK had the u-boat war beat in 1941.

MajorDude -> RE: WWII quiz: Capturing Churchill (4/16/2010 7:41:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greyshaft quote: ORIGINAL: MajorDude quote: ORIGINAL: Greyshaft Here's another non-Googlable question. When was Winston Churchill almost captured by the Germans? Two Hints: * The answer is NOT in 'The Eagle Has Landed" * The answer IS in Winston Churchill's six volume history of the Second World War "... In 1898 during the Boer war Churchill was sent to South Africa as the Morning Post's Correspondent. The book Winston S. Churchill: War Correspondent 1895-1900 by his grandson Winston Churchill M.P. tells of these times. While there he was captured by the Boers and held as a Prisoner of War in Pretoria. However within a month he, along with 2 other prisoners, escaped. His book My Early Life covers these years..." Hey, they got him, but the Germans couldn't... lol [8D] No... this is an event in the Second World War while he was Prime Minister I know. That is the reason I said, "Hey, they (the Boers) got him (then), but the Germans couldn't (later)... lol [8D] " I'm like michaelbaldur ("I think I can remember that... he was almost captured. when he was visiting the frontline somewhere in north Africa) ; I think I have an idea, just can't be sure. Churchill traveled quite a bit during WWII, and was really probably "almost caught" more than once. Your question refers to some "famous" "almost caught" that he would have mentioned in his six volume history of the Second World War... that I must admit I have not read cover to cover... [sm=scared0018.gif]

Shannon V. OKeets -> RE: OT - WWII quiz (4/16/2010 8:31:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Neilster quote: ORIGINAL: rkr1958 quote: ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets When I got my Masters in OR, one of my professors had as part of the final exam performing a Simplex analysis by hand (no calculators), which was 25% of the test. Very tedious and time consuming. At all other times in my life, these have been done by a computer program. What a small world! I too have a Masters in OR (Ga. Tech 1981). And I also had to do several iterations of the Simplex method by hand both for homework and during a test. Except, if I remember correctly, the homework problem required us to iterate until we actually go the answer. That took several pages and a while to do. I do remember in one of my Mathematical Programming classes (I think it was Linear Programming) that the professor talked about the use of OR techniques in WW-II to help against German u-boats. As part of my university maths/computing major (2003-2005) I did heaps of hand calculations of this type in assignments and exams. Calculators were, as far as I remember, never allowed in exams and we were not allowed to use software in assignments/projects until we had shown we were adept at hand computation first. In Australia we have an old fashioned idea that mathematicians should be accurate and have an attention span [:'(]. Cheers, Neilster Hunh![X(] Have you progressed beyond using Roman numerals?[;)]

Greyshaft -> Answer: When was Churchill nearly captured? (4/17/2010 3:11:52 AM)
In Jan 1942 Churchill needed to return from the USA to England. He was scheduled to travel in the 'Duke of York' which was berthed at Bermuda but he decided to return by flying boat. After 10+ hours flight they had not sighted land and decided to turn north. In Churchill's words... "Later on I learnt that if we had held on our course for another five or six minutes before turning northwards we should have been over the German batteries in Brest. We had slanted too much to the southward during the night... (In England) we were reported as a hostile bomber coming in from Brest, and six hurricanes from Fighter Command were ordered out to shoot us down. However they failed in their mission." Doubtless there were other escapades with the Germans in North Africa but this is the one I was thinking about. ref: p.629 - The Second World War, vol.3, Churchill W.S. (Casell & Co. Ltd, London)

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