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John 3rd -> RE: AKs (5/6/2009 6:00:24 AM)

Doesn't make sense to me...




ny59giants -> RE: AKs (5/6/2009 12:25:23 PM)

If they got the empty squadrons back to Aden they could fill them back up and place them on training at 90% and leave them like that for months. If you don't have a HR on it, they could put their short legged bombers on supply mission and get their experience levels to over 70 in a few short months so when they did come back they would be very effective. Finally, they may believe that they can get the air planes to Australia.



Cap Mandrake -> RE: AKs (5/6/2009 3:10:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Doesn't make sense to me...




It might make sense for these reasons. I had a similar situation when you attacked Perth in our game. As a Spitfire group would become chewed up and rendered combat ineffective, I had no way to get the group out, even the operational planes, and the damaged ones were just targets. In order to make room for incoming long-legged fighters or bombers, I had to crate up the wrecked group and put them aboard ship (docked in the harbour as there was no way to get out by sea either). In real life, of course, one could just push the heaps over to the side of the airfield, but you cant do that in the game.

You will need to do air recon to see if they are up against stacking limits. If they still are, it is a sure sign they are reinforcing somewhow.

As far as getting troops out, that makes sense too if they are wrecked units with no AV...they become just mouths to feed.



Q-Ball -> RE: AKs (5/6/2009 3:41:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

If they got the empty squadrons back to Aden they could fill them back up and place them on training at 90% and leave them like that for months. If you don't have a HR on it, they could put their short legged bombers on supply mission and get their experience levels to over 70 in a few short months so when they did come back they would be very effective. Finally, they may believe that they can get the air planes to Australia.


You might be right there, particularly on getting planes to OZ, where we know they are VERY short; on recon missions, we only see a handful of Dutch and Australian models, and there isn't much activity.

Risky to take them out, since it looks like we destroyed a P-40, a Mohawk, and a B-25 unit on ships. IIRC, they will be stuck in the reinforcement queue for close to a year.

Also, question: Can P-38s stage from Aden to Karachi?



ny59giants -> RE: AKs (5/6/2009 3:56:14 PM)

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Can P-38s stage from Aden to Karachi?


Easily!



String -> RE: AKs (5/6/2009 6:07:24 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball


quote:

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

If they got the empty squadrons back to Aden they could fill them back up and place them on training at 90% and leave them like that for months. If you don't have a HR on it, they could put their short legged bombers on supply mission and get their experience levels to over 70 in a few short months so when they did come back they would be very effective. Finally, they may believe that they can get the air planes to Australia.


You might be right there, particularly on getting planes to OZ, where we know they are VERY short; on recon missions, we only see a handful of Dutch and Australian models, and there isn't much activity.

Risky to take them out, since it looks like we destroyed a P-40, a Mohawk, and a B-25 unit on ships. IIRC, they will be stuck in the reinforcement queue for close to a year.

Also, question: Can P-38s stage from Aden to Karachi?



Afaik it's 90 days for a squadron destroyed on a ship and 270 for one destroyed on ground.



John 3rd -> British CVs (5/7/2009 4:56:07 PM)

The British DO have carriers!



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John 3rd -> Action along the Ganges... (5/7/2009 7:19:35 PM)

July 25, 1942

The Allies are attempting to breakout of Karachi. Just as we spoke about on earlier pages, them coming out from behind their Forts might be a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY for us to do something! We'll have to see what more they bring across the river...



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ny59giants -> RE: Action along the Ganges... (5/7/2009 7:52:50 PM)

Sir John,

You answered your own question. By getting you to "divert" your LB from attacking the AF at Karachi to attacking the troops, you give them time to repair the AF. The repairing fighters could LRCAP some of their AKs for a day or two worth of movement towards Aden from unescorted Betty strikes.

The withdrawl of squadrons may mean their pool is empty of a particular nation and the thought is why waste all those planes with pilots who experience is less than 30?



John 3rd -> RE: Action along the Ganges... (5/7/2009 11:28:12 PM)

Good thoughts Michael; however, I only moved Sally/Helen in to hit the troops.  There are 125+ OTHER bombers flying sorties against Karachi's AF.  We cannot let pressure lift there.  THAT would be bad...



John 3rd -> The Americans Strike (5/8/2009 11:35:28 PM)

Combat Report
July 26-28, 1942

The Americans have decided to get a little frisky with their Fleet and Ground Forces. To say that this is a shock and change of behavior is an understatement. Perhaps I should have begun adjusting when they tried to stage that battle near Palmyra. After sinking those two CVs and a bunch of cruisers, I THOUGHT they would hunker down and go back to being passive.

My MISTAKE!

I sent the entire Fleet back to Japan for Upgrades and R&R. This would include all six heavy carriers, the battlecruisers, and many CAs/CLs/DDs. A good amount of them are already being upgraded right now and I expect to be battle-ready again by August 10-15th. While nice, this placing things in a different context for my ability to react.

Palmyra Attack
Two American CVs strike the shipping around Palmyra as I finally take the island. Thankfully the Wildcats, SBDs and Avengers don't sink the supply laden AKs but they do cream a STF protecting the convoy. We lose CAs Aoba and Chokai, CL Yubari, and a DD. The moment Palmyra falls on July 28th, they move away towards Hawaii.

OUCH!

Cold Bay Attack
CV Saratoga---all by her lonesome--is covering the landing of American troops at Cold Bay. Bad weather has kept my planes on the ground for two straight days and I haven't been able to do much. We do send in 4 Japanese PT-Boats and they manage to plant a Torpedo in the only BB included in the Invasion Force. I HATE PT-BOATs even when they our mine! Too damned effective...

The base had been undefended but I deice to transport in elements of an SNLF by air to make the Americans take the base.

Only warships seen are the BB--DD TF, Saratoga to the east, and the transports. I've organized a hot reception tomorrow if the weather cooperates.

Things are happening in India but I'll leave that to Brad if he wants to comment.

Two screenshots coming. This one is of the current situation with air strength included:


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John 3rd -> PT Action (5/8/2009 11:36:58 PM)

Here is the lucky Torpedo hit on BB California!



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John 3rd -> Round One at Bombay (5/9/2009 5:27:19 AM)

I will call the Bombay attacks SHO and will number each one as they happen.

To show the Allies we are serious the Japanese finally assault the Allied Line at Bombay. This, then, is SHO-1:

Can anyone say whether this is a GOOD or BAD result???


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John 3rd -> Battle of Cold Bay (5/9/2009 5:34:45 AM)

We have some fun developing in the Aleutians. The Americans have only 1 CV covering their landing at Cold Bay and USS Saratoga does not have enough Fighters for the job:



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John 3rd -> The Aleutians (5/9/2009 5:42:35 AM)

Here is the bigger picture of the North. Things could get mighty interesting if the Japanese troops can hold for a few days!



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Hornblower -> RE: Battle of Cold Bay (5/9/2009 5:45:21 AM)

Going to be intersting next few turns



ny59giants -> RE: Battle of Cold Bay (5/9/2009 2:00:40 PM)

What is the unmodified AV of the Allies at Bombay?? That is the important factor. He was behind level 9 forts in an urban hex with his LCUs having various levels of prep. Each turn it is up to the "dice gods' to determine the outcome. I would rest for 3 or 4 days with just your artillery bombarding and your LB continuing to pound the AF. Then try again.  Adding in your BB TF is a good way to drop his supplies quickly.



flaggelant -> RE: Battle of Cold Bay (5/9/2009 3:03:26 PM)

BB's will be doing some nice pounding to the disruption to, with 2.500 casualties

i'd say having these bomb for a week does more to the front then both air & ground bombardments together!!

have you tried a cap mission over Bombay? to see if there are any troop/ supply transports (by float planes, like catalina's etc..)
having no runway doesnt mean Karachi can't launch anything IMO



Q-Ball -> RE: Battle of Cold Bay (5/9/2009 3:42:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

What is the unmodified AV of the Allies at Bombay?? That is the important factor. He was behind level 9 forts in an urban hex with his LCUs having various levels of prep. Each turn it is up to the "dice gods' to determine the outcome. I would rest for 3 or 4 days with just your artillery bombarding and your LB continuing to pound the AF. Then try again.  Adding in your BB TF is a good way to drop his supplies quickly.


Here is the combat report. There are alot of Allies there. I think we don't take it until the supplies run out.

Ground combat at Bombay

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 162783 troops, 1730 guns, 468 vehicles, Assault Value = 3134

Defending force 112320 troops, 902 guns, 534 vehicles, Assault Value = 2343

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 8

Japanese max assault: 3121 - adjusted assault: 2456

Allied max defense: 2306 - adjusted defense: 30041

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)


Japanese ground losses:
9942 casualties reported
Guns lost 257
Vehicles lost 17

Allied ground losses:
750 casualties reported
Guns lost 16

quote:

ORIGINAL: flaggelant

BB's will be doing some nice pounding to the disruption to, with 2.500 casualties

have you tried a cap mission over Bombay? to see if there are any troop/ supply transports (by float planes, like catalina's etc..)
having no runway doesnt mean Karachi can't launch anything IMO


Haven't had a CAP mission over Bombay, but the only airbase within range is Karachi, which has a Catalina unit, but is also pounded daily. I personally don't think the Catalinas are a factor. Supply just boils down to how much they had there before we cut the place off a couple months ago. They would not have allowed themselves to be surrounded there unless the answer was well over 100K



John 3rd -> Bombay Report (5/9/2009 3:54:15 PM)

Here is the actual combat report to look at.

Brad--we have Engineering Regiments building Forts in western India, I think it would be wiser to move them to Bombay so we maximize out chances of lowering the Forts. If they keep coming down we might be able to provoke a Naval Response to the BB Bombardments.

You have the Junyos, a CVL, and a CVE at Madras with the 3 remaining CVEs coming up from Singapore. My 3 CVLs will arrive in Singapore in 2-3 days and they can be sent on to join the others. When combined at Columbo you will have a massed Strike Force that can sink the RN's CVs.

I have an evil thought about 'luring' them out with bait. We form a STF that conveniently gets spotted. Have it loiter around the top edge of the board so he sends the RN out for easy pickings. What he doesn't know is your Support Force is waiting along the edge of the map waiting for him! He appears and you POUNCE!



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I would add that they would have only allowed themselves to be surrounded with that many troops by having 200-300 K in the hex.



ny59giants -> RE: Bombay Report (5/9/2009 5:22:28 PM)

Since the top LCU takes mosty of the casualties, I would keep up the attacks as you have over 800 more AV unmodified. That unit will probably be a HQ as it has the lowest ID number and will lower their overall support which is an often overlooked area of ground combat.

Brad - I would start writing down their unmodified AV each day to see any trends at Bombay.  



Canoerebel -> RE: Battle of Cold Bay (5/9/2009 5:54:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Here is the combat report. There are alot of Allies there. I think we don't take it until the supplies run out.



I agree with Brad. Think how long the siege of Manila takes, and that army is weaker and lower on supplies. Even if you are able to take Bombay, it should take many months. All the while the Allies are getting stronger and you have the threat from Karachi. Are you SURE this siege is to your benefit? Could you be using your troops and resources better preparing for the rest of the war?



frank1970 -> RE: Battle of Cold Bay (5/10/2009 7:24:26 PM)

I am quite sure, that the engineers building forts are different from those lowering forts in attacks.
Could someone clearify this? I am sure youŽd like your engineers to build airports and not being killed for nothing.

Another Question:

is it true, that each supply hit reduces the number of supplies 1%?
In this case it wonŽt matter so much whether they have 100k or 500k. just hit their supplies 100 times in one attack and everything will be fine [8D]



Q-Ball -> RE: Battle of Cold Bay (5/10/2009 8:09:42 PM)

July 31, 1942

We'll see what happens next in India, appreciate the comments. This is a combat report summary of the last couple days, John can expand further; I'm short on time.

*Today COLOMBO fell, netting 16,000 Allied prisoners. I question putting more troops on Ceylon other than the base forces, as this leads to unecessary POWs. There were 2 Bdes on Ceylon that delyaed the inevitable for a week or two, but eventually were POWs. Of course, we'll see those units again at some point, as the fragments are no doubt at Aden.
* At COLD BAY, the Allied landings continue. Many engineering units are ashore, but John is flying in reinforcements. I'm sure Paul didn't expect resistance, since there is one infantry and 5 engineering units. Unmak is level 2, and bombers from there hit transports, sinking 3 and leaving 2-3 more heavily damaged and on fire.

Not sure if John summarized the day before, but yesterday, air attacks shot down 17 Wildcats, and Helens went after Sara. No hits, but the CAP losses plus those bombers pretty much chased her away.

If they don't secure a base there, it will get VERY uncomfortable for them!



ny59giants -> RE: Battle of Cold Bay (5/10/2009 8:12:24 PM)

The daily to every other day naval bombardment runs will bring down their supplies levels quickly with the number of supply hits they get. Add in the diasablement of their support squads and their effective AV will suffer. As long as they can continue the naval bombardments and current air attacks along with weekly deliberate assaults, I think this base will be captured faster than most think. There are not many references in AARs of a base being bombarded this hard for a length of time.



John 3rd -> The Situation (5/10/2009 9:09:43 PM)

I've got several posting about to be placed but I want to copy this note I just sent to Brad:

That turn provoked a ton of thinking on my part:

1.  Cold Bay--They are/have landed 2 RCT, 2 Large Aviation BF, and 1 Seabee unit.  If I can fly in a the balance of that Inf Brig at Attu, we should be able to hold the base.  Could fly in another Inf Brig and gain control of the fight.  Will fly in more Tina and Mavis tomorrow to strengthen the airlift. 

I want to load the Inf Div at Kwajalein and send it North.  What do you think? 

Need more troops up there.  It APPEARS this will be the major effort so why not bring more up to the party?  Where from remains the question?  That Armored Division comes in in 15 days.  We have 2,300 PP (4,100 in 15 days) right now.  A full strength Inf Div costs about 3,300 to buy.  I propose we buy the Arm Div for India first and then grab an Inf Div for the North ASAP after that.  Thoughts? 

The STF will strike and smash the shipping there tomorrow.  There is no evidence of a STF present so it should be easy pickings.  Vectoring in more SS as we speak.  Will also have a Daitai of Kate at Unmak tomorrow to help.

With how badly we handled Saratoga's Fighter Squadron, we have to plan on the other US CVs coming up to help.  I think the moment the Fleet is upgraded we go north with everything currently in Japan and give battle

2.  Bombay--With Pangrim at AF-3, I would move 100 bombers into there and have them hit the AF while all your bombers at Poona hit troops.  Keeps the Forts down AND weakens the soldiers.  Not a bad combination whatsoever.

You have the 9th Inf Div on the way to Bombay from Madras and now have another Division available from Columbo.  That will add a bunch of weight to your attacks and seige.

3.  Columbo--Now that we have this fine base to work from we should concentrate the Indian Navy there and prepare to rock the Royal Navy!  If I am going north to figth the American Navy, I would like my 3 CVL back but think they will be decisive for your Indian plans.  What do you think there?

4.  We FINALLY get the Army fighters upgrading after tomorrow's turn.  Tojo and Tony--THANK GOD!--will REALLY help us out.  Can I have two Sentai up north to aid my Zeros?  They would be a big help.

If the Allies grab Cold Bay, we can expect fighters moved in there immediately.  Would like to have some of our top-of-line present if and when that happens.

Got a lot of more thoughts but need to chew of them some more...




John 3rd -> Cold Bay: Day Two (5/10/2009 9:31:18 PM)

Here is the fighting around Cold Bay on July 30th:



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USSAmerica -> RE: Battle of Cold Bay (5/11/2009 4:24:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Frank

I am quite sure, that the engineers building forts are different from those lowering forts in attacks.
Could someone clearify this? I am sure youŽd like your engineers to build airports and not being killed for nothing.

Another Question:

is it true, that each supply hit reduces the number of supplies 1%?
In this case it wonŽt matter so much whether they have 100k or 500k. just hit their supplies 100 times in one attack and everything will be fine [8D]


I'll jump in here with a couple of answers as I'm getting caught up on another war. [:D]

1. There are 2 types of engineers. Airfield/Port/Fort building engineers are the usually seen one's in most base forces, etc. They don't reduce enemy forts. Engineer Squads are your combat engineers, which excel at reducing fortifications. They are usually in separate units from the "building" engineers, and sometimes included in larger combat units.

2. Yes, each supply hit destroys 1% of the supplies in the base, at the exact moment of that hit. If you have 1000 supplies at a base, the first hit destroys 1% of 1000, the second hit destroys 1% of 990, and so on. You get slightly reduced return for each successive hit. Never the less, the large number of hits that can regularly be racked up by a BB bombardment TF can put a serious dent in the supply stockpile of any base. Combined with the cumulative squad disablements, and occasional Deliberate attacks, I have to agree with ny59giants, that our heros can have success at Bombay, and Karachi after that.

John, Brad, great war so far. [:)] I like seeing someone start out with a pre-war aim of trying to knock out India, and then watching it unfold. Good luck!



Q-Ball -> RE: Battle of Cold Bay (5/11/2009 5:03:55 AM)

John, I agree the main Allied effort seems to be up there. They failed to protect those transports unloading at Cold Bay; they only brought 1 BB and 1 CV, and both were effectively neutralized by LBA (or the torp that one of our PTs put into California). Either way, they didn't bring enough troops or ships the first go-around which probably means they will up the ante.

I think round 2 will feature all 4 USN CV's, plus at least 3-4 BBs in support. They need to take Cold Bay before it gets.....cold. You are doing great with those Helens, etc.

I would start prepping the 1st Gd. Bde in Tokyo for a Northern Target. That's a good unit right there. We have 1 Oscar Sentai in Japan, we will upgrade that to Tojos first. The fleet needs a couple weeks repair, then we can go forth. Overall, this is a good thing.

Oh, hope it's OK I ordered a Recon flight tommorow over Pearl from Palmrya. Pearl is now in Emily range.



John 3rd -> RE: Battle of Cold Bay (5/11/2009 5:21:27 AM)

COOL!  I didn't realize the Emily could make that flight.  Great idea and that will concern them since they don't know where the KB is.

Like using the 1st Guards Brigade too.  I moved that in Dan's Game to Malaya for many battles.  It is an excellent unit.  I shall buy it as soon as you get the Tank Division for India.




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