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sPzAbt653 -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/9/2010 5:35:22 PM)

Oh ... did all the British units withdraw at some point ?



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/9/2010 7:13:21 PM)

I drove a recon unit within 5 units of that German city you mentioned earlier, I don't remember the name right now, and the next turn I saw a news announcement that all British units were ordered north within 2 turns and sure enough, two turns later all the British units disappeared from the map.  On time and on budget.  Good show Steve.

All in all the German PO was doing a really good job until he left that magnificant hole in the front lines and the rest is history.  Maybe an objective in another spot?  Want me to run it again and see if the same thing happens?



sPzAbt653 -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/10/2010 1:39:17 AM)

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On time and on budget.


Excellent.

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Want me to run it again and see if the same thing happens?


I think I've got it covered. I'll have to send you an updated file in the future and you can try it then if you like.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/10/2010 2:24:23 AM)

Here's my moves as the German player against the Allied PO ( turn 1 ) :

please note that I captured two important bridges before Elmer could blow them ( and he does blow them now )

[img]http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//turn 1 moves small.gif[/img]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/10/2010 4:32:57 AM)

Here's the German moves for turn 2:
Everything is on schedule and the paratroops dropped in a good position to gain access to the horseshoe area.

[img]http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//moves small.gif[/img]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/10/2010 2:07:56 PM)

Here's the German moves for turn 3:

Note the way is clear into the horseshoe area.

[img]http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//turn 3 moves small.gif[/img]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/10/2010 2:14:39 PM)

Here's the German moves for turn 4:

I'm destroying Allied units left and right.  There's a hole starting to appear in the middle. Also, I sucessfully destroyed a supply depot ( Robertsville depot ) so I'm good to go for supply for a while.

[img]http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//turn 4 moves small.gif[/img]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/11/2010 5:34:56 AM)

I've put together a collection of AAR's for the first five turns of this Allied PO playtest which includes pictures much bigger in more detail of the moves.  You can find it here:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//AF AARs turns 1 - 5.zip



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/11/2010 9:01:38 AM)

Here's a collection of the first five turn SAL files in case anybody wants to see those for any reason:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//Sal files from the Autumn Fog Allied PO game.zip



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/12/2010 7:40:09 AM)

Here's the collection of SAL files for turns 6 through 10:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//Sal files from AF game Allied PO turns 6 -10.zip



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/12/2010 11:09:45 AM)

Hey Steve:

It may be happening again.  I appear to have blown a hole in the Allied lines and they didn't seem to have enough troops to cover all the holes or something.  I may be able to wrap around the Allied defenders and dispatch a few of them shortly.  This is as of turn 10:

[img]http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//blew a hole.GIF[/img]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/12/2010 11:16:09 AM)

Also, there were Allied attacks on some of my northern units still in Garrison mode and only 1 of them "woke up" ( circled in red below):

[image]local://upfiles/16287/6CD595D763FB4363B34321C48D3888FE.gif[/image]



sPzAbt653 -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/12/2010 2:42:23 PM)

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I appear to have blown a hole in the Allied lines and they didn't seem to have enough troops to cover all the holes or something.


There is a U.S. division in reserve in the area. Interesting to see what happens if you push the GD Korp thru there. Let's see what develops.

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there were Allied attacks on some of my northern units still in Garrison mode and only 1 of them "woke up"


They shouldn't wake up at all, I wonder why one regiment did. I wouldn't be concerned with the American attacks in the area, I think they are only spoiling attacks designed to distract you. [:D]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/12/2010 5:41:38 PM)

Here's the next collection of AARs...this one for turns 6 through 10:

I'm destroying enough Allied units that gaps are appearing in their lines.  Some places don't look like they have any Allied defenders at all yet.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//AF AARs turns 6 -10.zip




larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/13/2010 4:58:32 AM)

The Northern Group got released from garrison status somehow and I haven't disbanded the northern group release unit yet. I have a SAL file if you need it for something. This is turn 11 so far.

[image]local://upfiles/16287/AFA5E66FCF924AC1B83D37EF243D5763.gif[/image]



sPzAbt653 -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/13/2010 9:09:27 AM)

You maybe got too close to Aachen, probably Germans within 5 hexes of 54,22.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/13/2010 10:24:18 AM)

Yep, that's what it was. I didn't know that's the trigger or I would have planned my thrust differently, but oh well. I'll make do with this situation. It's not all that bad actually.

[image]local://upfiles/16287/4E1FA031EE764798BBDC751843A08E4B.gif[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/13/2010 11:50:32 AM)

So um.....I think I may have found a little problemo. In turn 11 41,54 was MY hex and here in turn 12 I find an Allied unit that has spawned there. Do you need a SAL file to diagnose this ?



[image]local://upfiles/16287/B151DD310487486D8D4FC71A75E773A3.gif[/image]



sPzAbt653 -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/13/2010 12:41:01 PM)

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I didn't know that's the trigger or I would have planned my thrust differently...


Do you check the Release Doc while playing ? Um ... I just checked and it doesn't specifically say that Aachen triggers 15.Armee. I'll have to review that doc to see if it was an error of omission, or something.

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In turn 11 41,54 was MY hex ...


Would it make sense that the offending para regiment was hidden and moved into that hex ? The recon levels are real low, especially during blizzard turns, so maybe he snuck in there. If not, send me the .sal from that turn and the one previous and I'll noodle it out.

Thanks!



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/13/2010 1:22:21 PM)

Here's the area in question in turn 11 ........it looks like he DID sneak into there.

[image]local://upfiles/16287/0D7FA0F5C40D4DFFA135DBD18C792488.gif[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/13/2010 1:24:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653
Do you check the Release Doc while playing?

I may have looked at it one time long ago but I haven't perused it's contents in some time now. They seldom change after all. Actually I can't remember what I read from it. Maybe I should give it a good going over again to refresh the RAM memory that got dumped in my head.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/13/2010 5:12:07 PM)

Disaster!

With the early release of the Northern Group I find myself suddenly outnumbered, outgunned, and soon to be outflanked. And I'm pretty sure that any rescue forces will arrive too late to have made any difference.

[image]local://upfiles/16287/315DB0F85FAA4DF6B0D9DBD92A0E93FA.gif[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/14/2010 6:30:08 AM)

Here's the mini-movie for turns 1 throu 10:

[image]local://upfiles/16287/0143E849F46C4FFDA426A8746D0EA40A.gif[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/14/2010 11:45:28 AM)

Here's the next collection of AARs, this one for turns 11 through 15, and you can find it here:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//AF AARs turns 11 - 15.zip

We've finally gotten some airplanes to play with.  Elmer is bombing my airbases with everything he has.  He's getting high losses but then so am I.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/15/2010 8:11:40 AM)

Here's the mini-movie for turns 11 through 18:
I released the northern and southern groups ( but I don't remember what exact turn ) and now there's a flood-gate that opened and let the Allied units free to pour into the battlefield. It looks ify in several places.


[image]local://upfiles/16287/001BAE73B1C84647B0ACED9582ADCC8F.gif[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/15/2010 10:56:39 PM)

Here's the next collection of AARs.  This one is turns 16 through 20:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//AF AARs turns 16 - 20.zip

There's so many Allied units now that I am getting out flanked in several places.  This looks like it might be the high water mark for my advance.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/15/2010 10:59:37 PM)

Here's the SAL files for turns 16 thru 20:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//Sal files from AF game Allied PO turns 16-20.zip



larryfulkerson -> turn 25 and it's all over for the germans (9/17/2010 8:01:41 AM)

I sent some units to blow the bridges to the west of the front lines but the Allied units got there before I could blow the bridges and as a result the Allieds were successful in outflanking the Germans and it's all downhill from here. I'm thinking of starting over as the Germans and trying to do the same plan except send some panzers to the north to handle the British armour and not get so close to Aachen before I'm ready next time.

[image]local://upfiles/16287/BA4DEFEE0B1B47D582082593E976FE65.gif[/image]



sapper32 -> RE: turn 25 and it's all over for the germans (9/17/2010 10:37:26 AM)

Hi Larry how does this latest attempt compare to the historical outcome of the campain,obviously im aware that the Allies countred and turned the tide and it was a disaster for the Germans but wondering if you have acheived more than was historical??

Ian



larryfulkerson -> RE: turn 25 and it's all over for the germans (9/17/2010 2:02:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sapper32
Hi Larry how does this latest attempt compare to the historical outcome of the campain,obviously im aware that the Allies countred and turned the tide and it was a disaster for the Germans but wondering if you have acheived more than was historical??
Ian

Um........you know I'm not sure. I don't know much about how far the Germans got during the real thing. I guess I COULD look it up, it's online for crying out loud.

I turned loose the computer playing both sides and there were some differences between how ELMER did and how I did. He got further than I did ( he crossed the Muse River after all ) but I think I got further in the south. I'm thinking of playing as the Germans again but using the strategy of....like flowing with the path of least resistance.......and see how far I get.

[img]http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//po v po movie.gif[/img]



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