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larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/1/2010 4:18:06 AM)

It's turn 7 already and Elmer is leaving a hole in the front lines.  I guess maybe the objective tracks may need to be adjusted or something.  I could slip a division though the hole Elmer left.

[img]http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/159441691e01e3ccadb0acfa0d89f5a46g.jpg[/img]



sPzAbt653 -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/1/2010 8:12:31 AM)

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I could slip a division though the hole Elmer left.


But do you have a spare division to try to exploit his thin line? I also wonder if that screen shot shows all the German units, or are some hidden?

It's a shame Brad had to quit, it looked like you were on your way to Antwerp!



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/2/2010 2:14:52 AM)

It's turn 10 and here's the sequel to that hole that I blasted in the German lines:

[img]http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//flowing out of the German hole.PNG[/img]

I'm out and flowing into the empty places.



ralphtricky -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/2/2010 2:19:07 AM)

Larry,
it doesn't seem to like your picture.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/2/2010 3:57:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ralphtrick
Larry, it doesn't seem to like your picture.

You mean that the image doesn't show up? It's working for me. ???

Here's the first 10 turns of the mini-movie

[image]local://upfiles/16287/52938ED93B2145F0B82BFFBBEF6B88FA.gif[/image]



ralphtricky -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/2/2010 4:02:14 AM)

It shows up now. Maybe there's a delay between posting and it being available<shrug> I got an email when you posted and looked at it right away and got an error.



sPzAbt653 -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/2/2010 4:19:52 AM)

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I'm out and flowing into the empty places.


Ok, I see your point. Maybe you can send me a couple .sal files ? From turn 5 or 6, and from turn 9 or 10, then I can look into what units are supposed to be there, and where they went.

It's possible that you might not be able to develop that penetration enough to affect Elmer and at the same time be able to prevent him from crossing the Meuse. Interesting next few turns.



ralphtricky -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/2/2010 4:21:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson
It's turn 7 already and Elmer is leaving a hole in the front lines.  I guess maybe the objective tracks may need to be adjusted or something.  I could slip a division though the hole Elmer left.

If anyone has any algorithms or simple suggestions on how to tell Elmer not to do that, I'd appreciate it<grin>.

Ralph



sPzAbt653 -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/2/2010 4:51:53 AM)

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...how to tell Elmer not to do that...


We'd have to tell Hitler to give us ten more divisions so that we don't have to leave the lines so thin. If Mr. Fulkerson attacked and eliminated a few units, there would be no one left to hold the line. I'll take a look at the .sal files to see if that is the case. Those files will also show if units that were intended to hold the line ran off somewhere else.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/2/2010 7:16:47 AM)

Here's the requested SAL files:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//Autumn Fog PO 5.sal

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//Autumn Fog PO 6.sal

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//Autumn Fog PO 9.sal

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//Autumn Fog PO 10.sal




larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/2/2010 7:52:11 AM)

Here's the link to the AAR's for turns 6 through 10:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//AARs for turns 6 - 10.zip

Here's a section of the front lines as of the beginning of German turn 13.

[img]http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//section of front lines.GIF[/img]





sPzAbt653 -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/2/2010 9:56:01 AM)

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Here's the requested SAL files:


Got'em, thanks very much Mr. Fulkerson. You are operating with 3.4 I see, because I can't open them. I plan to try try the latest .178 later today, so we will see what happens.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/2/2010 11:05:30 AM)

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You are operating with 3.4 I see, because I can't open them.

Yep, I already went to the newest version ( 3.4.178 ) already.

I noticed that the "main theme.ogg" file gets played everytime I open TOAW whether or not I have background sounds set to "battle sounds". So I renamed the "main theme.ogg" file so that it wouldn't get played when I open TOAW. Now that it's renamed when I open TOAW I have no background sound at all until I set the background sound to "no background sound" and then re-set it to "battle sounds". Then I get battle sounds.

It's no major biggie but it is a minor annoyance.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/2/2010 5:04:33 PM)

Here's the AAR's for turns 11 through 15:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//AARs turns 11 through 15.zip



sPzAbt653 -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/2/2010 9:52:16 PM)

After reviewing the files, the units that were defending there (9th, 79th and 257th Div's) didn't move away, so I assume you attacked them into elimination (no problem with that), which left the hole in the line. The AG B Reserve units (3.PzGr, 15.PzGr, 9.Pz, 11.Pz, 10SS and 6SS) are set to defend the area that you are now running over (but were following their orders to follow up behind 6.Pz Army and are/were in the horseshoe). Historically, Model feared what you are doing. I would hope that you are now or will soon run into these units (as they will move out of the horseshoe and head towards your breakthrough, I hope). If this doesn't happen and you continue to roll up both flanks, I'll have to figure out what to do.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/3/2010 9:18:31 AM)

Here's the front lines as of the start of German turn 18.  I don't know if you need some more SAL files to see what's going on but here's some more:



http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//Autumn Fog PO 16.sal

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//Autumn Fog PO 17.sal

[image]local://upfiles/16287/AE8CC631601C47CCBDD24776ADB4AE96.gif[/image]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/3/2010 12:29:03 PM)

What do the blue, yellow, and red colors signify in the supply view of the map?  Anybody know?

[image]local://upfiles/16287/C87BF4A155064C1785976D9C464C7B8B.gif[/image]



sPzAbt653 -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/3/2010 3:05:43 PM)

Thanks again for the .sal files Mr. Fulkerson, they are invaluable!

As we can see, Elmer finally is getting the hint and the AG B Reserves are moving to crush the Allied incursion ! (About ten turns too late). The 10.SS Pz and 3.PzGr are still holding parts of the horseshoe though. And some of the German units are quite content to sit around doing nothing (thanks 272.VGD). Well, it is a complex situation for Elmer to try and run the German side.

From the Allied side, have you had any worries with Elmers attemps to gain a bridge in the horseshoe?? Or has it been easy and no worries containing him there ?

[image]local://upfiles/24850/8C8E2E4C72BC439A92E3FCE5C45F8BF6.jpg[/image]



ralphtricky -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/3/2010 5:27:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

What do the blue, yellow, and red colors signify in the supply view of the map?  Anybody know?

I think with your tile set, blue is player 1 supplied only, red is player 2 supplied only and yellow is both players have supply traceability.

That may be backwards,
Ralph



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/3/2010 5:34:49 PM)

First of all lemme say that I have tried to park an armoured unit on the bridge and then bust the bridge so that the German has to
attack my defender with "foot movement only" kinds of units and that has led to unusually high losses for him.  As an example the
usual attack has him loosing about 10% and I lose 1% or 2%.

The Spot in the image I'm calling "A" isn't particularly troubling but every once in a while, say every five turns or so, I have to move the pontoon unit onto the busted bridge and then next turn repair the bridge so I can replace the worn-out defender with a fresh one and then bust the bridge again before the German turn.

There isn't a problem at all at spot "B".  Elmer obviously wants other bridges worse.

Spot "C" is a bother.  The Germans are getting flank attacks that wear down my defenders rather quickly so I have to swap out the defender every other turn or so.  The same problem is at spot "D".  Spot "E" isn't a problem since I have that huge British armoured unit sitting on the broken bridge and the Germans can't get a flank attack going.

"F" isn't a problem but "G" is.  I need to put a bigger defender in the place of that little recon unit.

I was fortunate enough to move all the supply depots out of harms way before the German could capture any of them and the bridge busting missions of the heavy bombers has dropped a significant number of the railroad bridges so that German supply is 20 or less and Allied supply is in the 50's.

The Germans are trying to outflank me on the far east end of the place where I broke out and it looks like he might already have done it.  I have units moving that way now and I'm hoping they can save the day.  Otherwise I may have bitten off more than I can chew.

I'm wondering if the northern wing of my breakout should continue rolling up the flank of the Germans going north or if they should help out in the effort to avoid being outflanked down south. 

[img]http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//horseshoe.GIF[/img]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/3/2010 5:44:17 PM)

Here's the front lines as of the start of turn 20:

[img]http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//front lines.GIF[/img]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/4/2010 12:11:49 AM)

Here's the link for the AARs for turns 16 through 20:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//AF AARs turns 16-20.zip



sPzAbt653 -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/4/2010 4:27:06 AM)

Great intel Mr. Fulkerson ! And an excellent review of the situation in the horseshoe. Even though the river/bridge dynamic may seem odd, it really works well in representing the historical situation. That is, there is no way that a bunch of halftracks and tanks can negotiate a 300 foot deep rocky gorge to get to the other side. The only way across is to send the foot soldiers down into the gorge and up the other side while the tanks blast the far side in support. You can see how difficult this would have been, and historically the Germans didn't even try it.

Hopefully your pressure on the east side of the horseshoe will convince Elmer to cease his pointless attempts to gain a bridge and start moving some of the panzers out of the possible encirclement.

I'll give you some intel back. If you are considering moving farther north from the breakthrough area, in case you weren't aware, if you get within 5 hexes of Monchen-Gladbach (65,5) all British forces will be withdrawn from the map. [:D]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/5/2010 5:04:57 AM)

Here's the link to the collection of AARs from turns 21 through 25.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/rrj1m768ba3d466/AF%20AARs%20turns%2021-25.zip

I'm rolling up the German front line going north and outflanking the Germans on the South end. It's a riot.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/6/2010 8:37:59 AM)

Here's the link to the collection of AARs from turns 26 through 30:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//AF AARs turns 26-30.zip

The Germans are defeated.  All that is left is mop-up all over the map.

Here's the front lines as of turn 31. The Germans in the horseshoe are out of supply and are being rounded up, the front line has advanced to the east and the only Germans left are those isolated pockets of troops that haven't been made it to the front of the front lines yet. I think. I'm going to shoot some recon out there to investigate and find the bad guys and this thing should take about another 30 turns or so and it'll be all over. Maybe.

[img]http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//31.GIF[/img]



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/7/2010 6:58:13 AM)

Here's the link to the collection of AARs for turns 31 through 35 :

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//AF AARs turns 31 - 35.zip



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/7/2010 8:43:59 PM)

Here's the link to the collection of AARs for turns 36 through 40:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//AF AARs turns 36 - 40.zip

The Germans are fleeing to the east and south and I'm pursuing.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/9/2010 10:56:53 AM)

Here's the link to the collection of AARs for turns 41 throu 45:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//AF AARS turns 41 - 45.zip

I'm going to stop at turn 50 since it's a forgone conclusion.  I next want to start a playtest of the Allied PO so I'll be playing as the Germans in the next test. 

Whenever I start it.



larryfulkerson -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/9/2010 2:38:33 PM)

Here's the link to the collection of AARs for turns 46 through 50:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/14/2688812//AF AARs turns 46 - 50.zip

This is the last collection to this series.




sPzAbt653 -> RE: Playtest of Autumn Fog (9/9/2010 5:31:27 PM)

Thanks for the great playtest Mr. Fulkerson! I'll make some adjustments so that, per Field Marshall Models' orders, part of the AG B reserve will actually stay out of the horseshoe in order to protect the right wing of the attack.



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