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leastonh1 -> NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/24/2009 3:54:27 PM)

I think I posted this last year too...

Track Santa live on the NORAD website using Google Earth. It's awesome [:D]

http://www.noradsanta.org/en/track3d.html



Greybriar -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/24/2009 4:02:26 PM)

They apparently didn't do a very good job:

[image]http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1476/santaga.jpg[/image]



SlickWilhelm -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/24/2009 11:56:51 PM)

I remember when I was a kid, they used to have Santa sightings on the radio. I used to run up to my relatives and exclaim "They've got Santa tracked on radar, he's on his way!"

Good times. [8D]



leastonh1 -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/25/2009 12:52:39 AM)

As he does every year, my son kept popping onto my PC throughout the day to check how close Santa was to us in the UK. He's fast asleep now and will no doubt be up at around 6am, full of energy and excited! As it's almost 1am and due to my advancing age, I'd better hit the sack too [:)]



LarryP -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/25/2009 2:03:59 AM)

You mean you let that fat freak in a red suit take the credit for your sons gifts? [;)]

I remember when I found the truth out I was mad at how everyone had been lying to me for eight years. [:(]



rhondabrwn -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/25/2009 3:25:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LarryP

You mean you let that fat freak in a red suit take the credit for your sons gifts? [;)]

I remember when I found the truth out I was mad at how everyone had been lying to me for eight years. [:(]


I figured it out years before my parents did... I was so careful not to hurt their feelings by exposing the truth to them so I played along with the whole routine [:D]



LarryP -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/25/2009 4:11:17 AM)

That's pretty funny! How old were you when you figured it out?



rhondabrwn -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/25/2009 4:30:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LarryP

That's pretty funny! How old were you when you figured it out?


Probably about 7 years old... I was awake and faking it as they were filling my stocking (always hung on my bed) and as they took the presents downstairs.



rhondabrwn -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/25/2009 4:31:06 AM)

Uh oh... Google is in trouble!

NORAD Fires on Santa Claus



goodwoodrw -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/25/2009 5:00:00 AM)

While Santa brings presents, the Easter Bunny brings eggs and Tooth Fairy puts money in my glass in exchange for a tooth, I believe



LarryP -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/25/2009 2:53:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

Probably about 7 years old... I was awake and faking it as they were filling my stocking (always hung on my bed) and as they took the presents downstairs.


So your parents got a bit careless. Mine never did. My sister told me and I remember I was instantly mad at the lies. Every time I hear a politician speak on the benefits of national health care, I remember the Christmas lies of eight years old. [;)] [:D]



JudgeDredd -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/25/2009 7:15:39 PM)

yep - there are no benefits at all to national health care...none at all.[:'(]



rhondabrwn -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/25/2009 7:29:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LarryP

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ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

Probably about 7 years old... I was awake and faking it as they were filling my stocking (always hung on my bed) and as they took the presents downstairs.


So your parents got a bit careless. Mine never did. My sister told me and I remember I was instantly mad at the lies. Every time I hear a politician speak on the benefits of national health care, I remember the Christmas lies of eight years old. [;)] [:D]


We never did talk about it. One year the charade just ended and all of the presents were brought down to the tree after we got up. Typical of my family relationship, they were very close mouthed about their affairs. I grew up in ignorance of so many things going on there. In return, I never told them about any of my problems, never complained, never disobeyed, and they died thinking they were the perfect parents. Oh well, that's life. I didn't make that mistake with my children... we talked about everything and nothing was held back.



rhondabrwn -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/25/2009 7:30:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

yep - there are no benefits at all to national health care...none at all.[:'(]


Boy, this thread sure has derailed [:D]



06 Maestro -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/25/2009 7:31:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

yep - there are no benefits at all to national health care...none at all.[:'(]


No. There clearly will be benefits for illegal aliens and sexual deviates who will now be able to get coverage on demand. The sad part is that 97% of real Americans are covered one way or another already.

This new insurance will be a far cry from a gift of Santa's. One seemingly important difference is that nearly no one wants it anymore-at least not the current plan. Their are millions of good folks that believed the drival of national health care. Now, the truth is settling in-they were lied to-thus the above comparison.



rhondabrwn -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/25/2009 8:26:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: 06 Maestro


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ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

yep - there are no benefits at all to national health care...none at all.[:'(]


No. There clearly will be benefits for illegal aliens and sexual deviates who will now be able to get coverage on demand. The sad part is that 97% of real Americans are covered one way or another already.

This new insurance will be a far cry from a gift of Santa's. One seemingly important difference is that nearly no one wants it anymore-at least not the current plan. Their are millions of good folks that believed the drival of national health care. Now, the truth is settling in-they were lied to-thus the above comparison.


Definitely off the rails. [:D]

I wrote a long response, but deleted it. I'm tired of the whole health care debate and all the lies and misinformation getting thrown around. So there is no sense getting into it here. Personally, due to high deductibles and co-pays on my school health insurance, I am shunning all medical care and am relying on diet and exercise to keep me going rather than expensive drugs and diagnostic tests that I can't afford.



JudgeDredd -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/26/2009 8:25:45 AM)

I agree totally - but just want to add one thing and leave it...

It works, 99% of the time, absolutely fine in Britain. It's not perfect...nothing is. I don't know what you are told over there, but if it's anything like "It'll never work" then they're lying. It can and does work and there are several countries with the proof...my country is one of them.

I'm sorry for this being off topic. But living in a country where healthcare is not dished out on your ability to pay and having that blessing slagged off cannot go unanswered!

Done here. Perhaps if you want to find out more, and truthful stories at that, we could compare notes by pm.



Andrew Williams -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/26/2009 9:19:48 AM)

Free healthcare in oz.... as it should be!!  :)



leastonh1 -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/26/2009 11:26:47 AM)

I work for the National Health Service here in the UK. It's far from perfect and is managed by far too many politicians and incompetent senior managers, BUT it does work incredibly well despite that. I wouldn't swap our system with any other.



Zap -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/26/2009 12:02:53 PM)

But is'nt it a lot of dictactating to each individual what they can and can't do? when to do it and how to do it.
For the controlling my life by the government. I can't accept this health care. And I don't want pay for somebody to get an abortion.

So Santa bring us a better option.



JudgeDredd -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/26/2009 1:27:48 PM)

Zap

I hope the day never comes (and I truly do) when you have such a serious injury or illness that your healthcare runs out...because when that happens, you'll be on the same playing field as the many hundreds of thousands (millions? I don't know) of other people that don't have healthcare because their wallet wasn't fat enough...then you may feel how the little people feel...abandoned

God forbid the day when it comes when an ambulance leaves me at the side of the road because I don't have my credit card on me!

Apparently good will to all men (as long as you can afford it)?? Is that the caveat?

Oooops...I did say I'd leave didn't I?...[sm=scared0018.gif]...sorry...again...shame on me [:-] I will leave now...I pwomise



LarryP -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/26/2009 3:38:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

It works, 99% of the time, absolutely fine in Britain. It's not perfect...nothing is. I don't know what you are told over there, but if it's anything like "It'll never work" then they're lying. It can and does work and there are several countries with the proof...my country is one of them.

I'm sorry for this being off topic. But living in a country where healthcare is not dished out on your ability to pay and having that blessing slagged off cannot go unanswered!


Do the citizens that refuse it, like the ones that are healthy and use alternative ways, do they get fined?

Have you actually had to use it personally? For something serious, and if so did you have to wait?

It's really weird to see you post this as we here in the states have heard over and over that health care in Britain stinks! That we don't ever want to model your system. That you come over here for operations because of not being granted certain medical procedures. I'm confused... [&:]



LarryP -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/26/2009 3:48:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn
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ORIGINAL: LarryP
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ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

Probably about 7 years old... I was awake and faking it as they were filling my stocking (always hung on my bed) and as they took the presents downstairs.


So your parents got a bit careless. Mine never did. My sister told me and I remember I was instantly mad at the lies. Every time I hear a politician speak on the benefits of national health care, I remember the Christmas lies of eight years old. [;)] [:D]


We never did talk about it. One year the charade just ended and all of the presents were brought down to the tree after we got up. Typical of my family relationship, they were very close mouthed about their affairs. I grew up in ignorance of so many things going on there. In return, I never told them about any of my problems, never complained, never disobeyed, and they died thinking they were the perfect parents. Oh well, that's life. I didn't make that mistake with my children... we talked about everything and nothing was held back.


Two kinds of parents. One teaches their children like they were taught, unknowingly ignorant. Then the opposite that teaches from their childhood experiences and improves upon it. Fortunately for your children, you are the latter. I've tried hard to to the same. My parents thought every time I did something wrong, grab the razor strap. I started training my son the same way and immediately saw how stupid that was and changed. He is now 31 and we have the best relationship I could ask for, and talk about anything and everything.

Santa, health care, and social behavior. Erik should be here soon... [8|]



leastonh1 -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/26/2009 4:46:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LarryP
Do the citizens that refuse it, like the ones that are healthy and use alternative ways, do they get fined?

Seriously? Fines for refusing to use it?! [X(] I'm not sure where this idea of fines comes from, but the answer is: absolutely not. Everyone is free to use the health care system, or not, as they choose. We do live in a democracy here you know!! [:)]
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ORIGINAL: LarryP
Have you actually had to use it personally? For something serious, and if so did you have to wait?

I have used it personally for both minor issues and imminent, life threatening illness. For minor things, there is a maximum of 18wks wait for surgical treatment and maximum of 4hrs wait for anyone presenting at the Accident and Emergency dep't. To see your local doctor often involves visiting the surgery during opening hours. For anything urgent, there is no waiting times.
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ORIGINAL: LarryP
It's really weird to see you post this as we here in the states have heard over and over that health care in Britain stinks! That we don't ever want to model your system. That you come over here for operations because of not being granted certain medical procedures. I'm confused... [&:]

All I can say is, you've heard wrong. It doesn't stink by any means. The managers and idiots who control it do though. There's no such thing as a perfect system and the UK NHS isn't one. But, it does work well for the service users. There are always exceptions though. FWIW, we hear similar things about your system. How you won't get treatment unless you have insurance. Like you, we wouldn't ever choose to model your system. Go figure.

I suspect there are elements of truth and lies in both viewpoints.



06 Maestro -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/26/2009 5:34:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn


Definitely off the rails. [:D]

I wrote a long response, but deleted it. I'm tired of the whole health care debate and all the lies and misinformation getting thrown around. So there is no sense getting into it here. Personally, due to high deductibles and co-pays on my school health insurance, I am shunning all medical care and am relying on diet and exercise to keep me going rather than expensive drugs and diagnostic tests that I can't afford.


Apparently you think that socialism has done the American Indians justice-seems to have worked fairly well in the inner cities to some peoples understanding. I don't think so. I too am tired of the lies and gross exaggerations.
I doubt there are many that are opposed to a stop gap insurance system. The problem is that is clearly not the current goal. Don't worry, it looks like you will get exactly what you want-it will just take about 5 years or so. I doubt you will be laughing then, but there will no going back.



leastonh1 -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/26/2009 5:56:02 PM)

So much for the fun Santa thread eh?! That'll teach me [8|]



LarryP -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/26/2009 6:38:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jim_H

So much for the fun Santa thread eh?! That'll teach me [8|]


I should never have referred to national health care. Thanks for your information Jim. The reason I asked about penalties is because this new plan we have going on now will penalize anyone that does not have health care. I downloaded the health care bill two weeks ago and there were over 250 "penalty" words used. The bill is also massively packed with pork, or earmarks which have nothing to do with the actual bill but were perks thrown in to sway a number of senators to vote in favor of it.

We are also going to get heavily taxed for most if not all medical devices such as artificial limbs, wheelchairs, pacemakers, crutches, etc.. They have to pay for this fiasco somehow and as government always does, TAXES and PENALTIES.

It sounds like where you live, it's a much better plan. Here we will NOT have a choice like you apparently do which is the most annoying part. It will become law, and if you break it you will be fined and jailed.



06 Maestro -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/26/2009 7:41:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LarryP

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ORIGINAL: Jim_H

So much for the fun Santa thread eh?! That'll teach me [8|]


I should never have referred to national health care.


Well, at least you're man enough to admit you blew it. It's all your fault-[:D]

Hey Jim, don't give up the hope. Most of us like to keep track of Santa-that is, the one on the North Pole.[;)]



leastonh1 -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/26/2009 7:46:13 PM)

The irony is that in the UK now there's a shift towards financial management and targets rather than improving services. This is driven by government, and local managers spend more time bean counting than actually managing service delivery. There's never enough money for anything and yet the services continue to treat people, successfully for the most part. I can see that at some point, we'll end up with a two tier system. Those who can pay and elect for "better", "faster" services and those who by design or circumstance must use the state run and funded system. None of the governments we've had in recent years have had the courage to make anything other than small changes in NHS policy and often screw it up when they try. It's a very political hot potato and the majority of the UK population would happily burn at the stake any government who suggested scrapping the current system. It's a vicious circle.



leastonh1 -> RE: NORAD tracks Santa.... (12/26/2009 7:48:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: 06 Maestro
Well, at least you're man enough to admit you blew it. It's all your fault-[:D]

Hey Jim, don't give up the hope. Most of us like to keep track of Santa-that is, the one on the North Pole.[;)]

Lol! [:D]

I think this is one of those subjects which should be with religion and politics - banned in polite company. I suspect it's so emotive because it affects us all personally.



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