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crsutton -> RE: Off Map Targets (7/10/2010 3:33:25 PM)
I am in December of my game (scen #2) and can give a few thoughts on it. Both my opponent and I started it without really knowing the full ramifications but it is playable and fun. However, the first casualty was that any preconcieved notions or planning based on the historcal simulation had to be thrown out. Biggest factors are. Incredible numbers of Japanese planes and pilots. Japanese air superiority should last until the end of 1942 and relative parity through all of 1943. The ability to make plenty of tojos in 1942 gives the Japanese player the dominant plane until the corsair starts to arrive. (Really not ended until the P47 comes on board in mid 43). The lack of air superiorty will hinder Allied offensive operations in early 1943. KB can replace aircraft and pilots fairly quickly so a big battle with lots of naval air shot down is not a big deal. A smart Japanese player should go after Allied aircraft anytime that he can for the first year of the war. The Allied player just can't produce enough. The real reason is to limit Allied training as "no plane, no train" Serious boost to land combat capabilites, allowing quicker land campaigns and an accelerated stragetic timetable. The Japanese player should be able to roll right over Singapore, Bataan and be well into OZ or India by June of 1942-if not sooner. Russia is an option and the Allied player has to be prepared for it. China might fall-it not it may be close. I have not experienced the ramifications of the HI penalty in 1944-45 but am guessing that the advantages in 1942 might outweigh this. Especially since the advantages given to Japan should allow a good player to build up an extensive and deeper defensive perimiter and delay the onset of the Allied advance by six months or longer. Successful Allied AARs aside, I feel that the only effective plan for an Allied player vs a competent Japanese player is to go Sir Robin. Fight where you can, delay where you can. Don't fight where you will be trapped and don't waste your carriers. Don't plan to come out swinging in 1942 as you can not win an attrition battle in the air. Look to fight the Japanese navy on good terms but don't fret if the chance is not offered and you do not lose any ships. Scen #2 is nerve wracking on the Allies but you just need to "Rope a Dope" Japan and don't worry if it looks like the war will go into 1946. Keep your wits and you will win.

bklooste -> RE: Off Map Targets (7/10/2010 4:09:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nemo121 Strange as it might seem. I wasn't being touchy... I was simply saying that if you don't like scenario 2 then one shouldn't bother to enter a discussion based around it. I wouldn't as I would find it aggravating to enter a discussion limited by issues I thought were incorrect/wrong. Again though I think you are imputing an emotional basis which simply isn't there. What I will say though is that I find it intensely annoying to be have my own feelings told me by another, especially when I'm then told to chill out for feelings and thoughts I never had. I suggest we chalk it up to a misunderstanding and drop it at this stage. It just read that way ... Appologies if i got it wrong. And while i preffer scenario 1 ( or slight mods of it) - since scenario 2 has even less thought than RE i am perfectly happy to work with it ( though i feel i should be allowed to point out my oppinions on it).

Nemo121 -> RE: Off Map Targets (7/10/2010 4:25:56 PM)
bklooste, You are, obviously, allowed to post your opinion BUT I think one can handily express an opinion without telling another person what they think, publicly, about a third party, particularly when what you are going to publicly state is negative and potentially inflammatory. I think most people would be perturbed to be on the receiving end of such a statement.

bklooste -> RE: Off Map Targets (7/10/2010 4:38:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nemo121 2. I've read the Reluctant Admiral Mod thread in detail. My conclusion is that the various changes aren't sufficiently ( IMO ) linked up, interlinked and mutually supporting in a manner which will support the creation of the flow of operations envisioned. That's an utterly impersonal assessment and it, frankly, disappoints me that you would so quickly impugne my motivations. 3. As to the adjustments being subtle... We obviously have very different views of the meaning of the word subtle. 4. As to the "type of player" I referred to... It seems clear that the mod is big on flash but low on deep strategic consideration of ramifications beyond the superficial level of impacts of changes. As such it will appeal to the type of player who likes flashy opening and the appearance of depth without actually being led into traps, dead-ends and impossible choices between long-term plans ( IOW, forcing people to really analyse things strategically out to 18 months to 2 years in order to make the right decisions ) but I don't consider that it will lead to any significantly more interesting play as it doesn't truly create different strategic options. There's nothing "personal" there, it is my assessment of the mod and the types of players it would appeal to. I resent your implication that other issues would impinge on such an assessment. I agree it is not coherent / strategic mod ( neither is 2 which is the alternative we are discussing and 2 has a well known flaw ) it is just a tweak pushing things slightly in favour of Japan in a historically plausable way which shows a bit in 43. Version 2 of the mod helps the allies with a few interesting options at the opening and later 42. I disagree it suits a flash player more which is why i wondered why you made that comment , supply and starting stock piles are reduced and you need to retool and build up engines or build old frames to conserve HI/supplies. In fact the only thing that suits a flash player is the CV exchange which is the main change in the mod and doesnt come in till mid 43 ( 3 Shokakus instead of Taiho , Shinano and the 111 Hull) and in 42 a flash player will do about the same as stock - . In 42 it has some better opening plays for the allies not really Japan . I know a few people thought we have built an uber 4E interceptor but the truth is the new interceptor is worse than the Jack.... and is interesting more from a production and histroical what if point of view. Personally i have pushed for more counterplay and strategic options but these were seen as unhistorical and not really accepted. Which is fine it is still a decent mod as its historic gives better allied counterplay in 42 and slighly better Japanese in 43 and has the same strategic options than scen 1. In my own i can do what i like and be more a historical in the process [:D].

bklooste -> RE: Off Map Targets (7/10/2010 4:44:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nemo121 bklooste, You are, obviously, allowed to post your opinion BUT I think one can handily express an opinion without telling another person what they think, publicly, about a third party, particularly when what you are going to publicly state is negative and potentially inflammatory. I think most people would be perturbed to be on the receiving end of such a statement. To true , its always dangerous to give your true thoughts on someone they like to bite back - it just really read that way , anyway i apologize that i got it wrong .

Capt. Harlock -> RE: Off Map Targets (7/10/2010 6:17:25 PM)
quote: So, since each PBY carries two torpedoes and each Devastator and British torpedo-carrying plane carries one I should be able to launch (57 x 2) + (120 x 1 ) = 234 torpedoes per alpha strike... That's a damned lot of torpedoes. Of course many of the planes will be shot down before they get to launch but vs unloading merchants I am expecting good results from the torpedo bombers... especially since almost all of them have just sat and trained for the past 3 months. Many of my torpedo-carriers have more than 70 Exp in Naval Torpedo Attacks at this stage ). Impressive planning. At this stage of the war you will get much better results from British torpedoes than American ones, so I wouldn't count on much from your PBY's especially. (If you run short of torps then those would be the planes to hold back.) The plan for dealing with the LRCAP also seems sound. (That's quite a lot of B-17's -- I assume you've had to strip a number of other areas to assemble them?)

Nemo121 -> China: Settling Accounts (7/10/2010 6:49:09 PM)
Yes, I only have about 20 x LB-30 in other areas and some B17s training in the US. But, in reality, this early in the war the Allies just don't have enough bombers or fighters so one must make do with what one has ( and, obviously, try to concentrate it in the most important theatre ). bklooste, I think you are failing to get my point... I have no problem with saying what I think about anyone AND having them bite back, if they so wish. I'm very fortright and can take the lumps I get for my directness. What I have a problem with is someone ELSE saying what I think about a third party, especially if they say I think something negative about that third party or parties. That is simply not acceptable to me. I hope this is now clear to you.

traskott -> RE: China: Settling Accounts (7/12/2010 4:31:26 PM)
@nemo121: About your plan at China, looks impresive about paper but... logistics: Do you have enough supplies to cope with the huge demmand an offensive like this will require ?

Nemo121 -> RE: China: Settling Accounts (7/12/2010 7:10:37 PM)
traskott, If you follow my AARs you'll get to learn that I think logistics reigns supreme over strategy. It dictates strategy in most instances and I would be most unlikely to run a Chinese offensive without sufficient logistics. Suffice it to say over 200,000 tons of supplies have flowed into China since the start of the game and every base in China has sufficient supplies and EVERY Chinese unit has sufficient supplies. I also have Level 5 and 6 forts in most places by now. With that said I also designed the offensive to be "supply-cheap"... As an exercise I suggest you look at the map and see how many battles I need to fight to place those Japanese units in a pocket. Basically the answer is 2... I have to fight one battle south-west of CHangsha to open the road east and then will have to fight one more as I hook north-westward threatening to encircle Changsha. That's it. Sure there will be a couple of other battles as the Japanese seek to relieve their forces but, basically, this offensive is manoeuvre heavy but fight-light... In AE manoeuvre doesn't cost anything extra beyond subsistence. Only fighting increases supply usage significantly... I will move a lot but fight a little. Logistical considerations played a significant part in designing the plan - as they always do with my plans.

Nemo121 -> En pointe ! (7/12/2010 7:29:39 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 18, 42 Well, Mike is raiding and he is using fast CAs for it - which is fitting as it is in the Pacific. That's good. What's bad is that with 6 of his remaining CAs in the Pacific that robs his Javan invasion force of a damned lot of cover. He caught some shipping too which I had ordered away but had forgotten to change their home port so they returned here instead of PH. OOPS !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Marcus Island at 123,85, Range 6,000 Yards Japanese Ships CA Maya CA Ashigara CA Mogami CA Suzuya CA Furutaka CA Kako CL Kashima DD Murasame DD Harusame DD Samidare DD Ayanami Allied Ships AP President Hayes, Shell hits 22, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk xAK Sea Fox, Shell hits 4, heavy fires xAK Sea Hound, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub vs Sub: SS S-35 attacking SS I-1 at 112,109 - near Truk Japanese Ships SS I-1, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage Allied Ships SS S-35 SS S-35 launches 4 torpedoes at 2,000 yards This is the first time I've seen a sub vs sub attack. Pretty cool... I-1 is confirmed sunk. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Truk at 112,108, Range 2,000 Yards Japanese Ships PB Toshi Maru #3, Shell hits 1, and is sunk PB Tama Maru #8, Shell hits 1, and is sunk PB Shonon Maru #15, Shell hits 3, and is sunk PB Takunan Maru #2, Shell hits 8, and is sunk I thought I had spotted CAs and suchlike at Truk and had some DDs attacked by IJN CV-based air just north of Truk yesterday. I thought the IJN CVs would port at Truk overnight and decided to take my tithe by sending a fast CA TF in to make gun attacks on the IJN CVs. Unfortunately, based on my recon the next day 6 CVs only showed up this morning. Their slowness saved them. Ah well, I still caught a few PBs. I am prepping Ponape Atoll to withstand a KB-sized air raid tomorrow or the next day as he tries to catch my CAs... Ponape is now a Level 4 airfield and I've got about 180 fighters and 20 patrol planes and bombers there also. Allied Ships CA Pensacola CA New Orleans CA Astoria DD Fox DD Litchfield DD Crane DD Kilty DD Humphreys DD Sands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Kwajalein Island at 132,115 Japanese Ships SSX Ha-11, hits 5, heavy damage This is a mini-sub isn't it? Allied Ships DMS Boggs DMS Southard DMS Elliot DMS Wasmuth DMS Chandler DMS Long -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Naval bombardment of Marcus Island at 123,85 - Coastal Guns Fire Back! 17 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships CA Kako CA Furutaka CA Suzuya CA Mogami CA Ashigara CA Maya CL Kashima, Shell hits 1 Allied ground losses: 113 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled Airbase hits 3 Airbase supply hits 3 Runway hits 22 Port hits 8 Port fuel hits 4 Port supply hits 2 Marcus is fortified so this bombardment achieved precious little. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Singapore at 50,84 Japanese Ships CM Tsubame CM Kamome ACM Banshu Maru #52 PB Keiko Maru PB Kamitsu Maru Allied Ships SS O19, hits 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Marcus Island at 123,85 Japanese Ships CA Maya CA Furutaka CA Ashigara CL Kashima DD Murasame DD Ayanami DD Samidare Allied Ships SS Trout, hits 7 I've been expecting such raids and have fleet class boats on patrol at each of the likely bases. One might, after all, get lucky. SS Trout launches 6 torpedoes at CA Maya Hit but no explosion. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Culion at 74,78 Japanese Ships PB Yamahagi Maru #3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships SS Snapper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Kwajalein Island , at 132,115 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Allied aircraft A-20A Havoc x 13 Allied aircraft losses A-20A Havoc: 2 damaged Runway hits 5 Just trying to prevent the buildng of forts. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Kwajalein Island , at 132,115 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Allied aircraft B-18A Bolo x 3 P-40E Warhawk x 1 No Allied losses -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 6 Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 27 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 5 Allied aircraft B-17E Fortress x 19 About 1/3rd of the B17s flew. At day's end 7 Zeroes were shown as destroyed in return for a single B17. Ah well, he can build 300 Zeroes a month, I get 15 B17Es. Even with a 7:1 exchange rate he STILL wins, by a huge margin. Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-17E Fortress: 12 damaged Japanese Ships xAK Kiyozumi Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires xAP Hakozaki Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Port hits 8 Port fuel hits 1 Training flight from 64th Sentai Det has been caught up in attack -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 13 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 3 Allied aircraft B-17D Fortress x 3 B-17E Fortress x 3 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses B-17D Fortress: 1 damaged Japanese Ships xAP Hakozaki Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage Port hits 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Singapore at 50,84 Japanese Ships PB Keiko Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CM Tsubame CM Kamome ACM Banshu Maru #52 PB Kamitsu Maru Allied Ships SS O19 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Changsha (82,52) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 1982 troops, 249 guns, 45 vehicles, Assault Value = 5028 Defending force 93556 troops, 598 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2913 I've taken over 1,000 AV out of Changsha to help make the attack south-west of Changsha... Let's see if that tempts Mike into another, almost certainly futile, attack at Changsha. Japanese ground losses: 31 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 45 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 10th Tank Regiment 39th Division 13th Ind.Mixed Brigade 11th RGC Temp. Division 34th Division 13th Division 55th Infantry Brigade 6th Division 10th Division 58th Infantry Regiment 3rd Division 9th Armored Car Co 40th Division 12th Division 116th Division 51st Infantry Brigade 13th Tank Regiment 13th RGC Temp. Division 17th/A Division 1st Mortar Battalion 2nd JAAF Base Force 14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion 51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 22nd Ind. Engineer Regiment 51st Road Const Co 13th JAAF Base Force 11th Army 2nd Ind. Engineer Regiment 10th Mortar Battalion 15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment 8th Ind. Engineer Regiment 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 9th JAAF Base Force 6th RF Gun Battalion 11th Field Artillery Regiment 51st Const Co 54th JAAF AF Bn Defending units: 50th Chinese Corps 46th Chinese Corps 21st Chinese Corps 78th Chinese Corps 58th Chinese Corps 72nd Chinese Corps 3rd New Chinese Corps 26th Chinese Corps 10th Chinese Corps 37th Chinese Corps 28th Chinese Corps 20th Chinese Corps 6th Construction Regiment 9th Prov Chinese Corps 5th Construction Regiment 19th Group Army 27th Group Army 30th Group Army 3rd War Area 10th Group Army 32nd Group Army 29th Group Army 25th Group Army 9th War Area 17th Chinese Base Force 56th AT Gun Regiment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Sinyang (86,48) He's reinforcing this heavily. I think I may be about to pull back a little if he pours in more guys. I'm also making a subsidiary attack north of Sinyang to try to draw some of these troops off. Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 30452 troops, 238 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1103 Defending force 42474 troops, 398 guns, 159 vehicles, Assault Value = 1535 Allied ground losses: 12 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 30th Chinese Corps 55th Chinese Corps 13th Chinese Corps 12th Chinese Corps 51st Chinese Corps 77th Chinese Corps Jingcha War Area 31st Group Army Defending units: 36th Division 18th RGC Temp. Division 12th RGC Temp. Division 32nd/A Division 15th Division 15th Ind.Mixed Brigade 2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade 32nd/B Division 52nd Road Const Co Here's a teaser for you: Could Mike have decided not to try to take Java? I ask because at this stage he is deploying CVs and CAs into the Pacific en masse. Granted I've tried to encourage these deployments but, really, I don't see how he can imagine a successful invasion without bringing everything larger than a DD that the IJN still has afloat. Maybe he sees things differently though? Strange. He only has 6 more weeks before Java becomes undoable due to the loss of the unloading bonus for Japan. Someone should ask him this in his AAR. \|Right now he's either being incredibly sneaky or, IMO, he has massively misjudged what he's going to need for Java. Maybe he thinks his LBA will be sufficient to force a landing? I doubt that though... Of note: just in case he's going for Palembang I've been filling it with mines recently and currently have 150 mines there. It may lack CD guns but it won't lack for mines and basic artillery. [image]local://upfiles/10809/F2BAED51241340DDB2628FBF4C377113.jpg[/image]

traskott -> RE: En pointe ! (7/12/2010 8:24:03 PM)
I have read your AAR since first day. What surprises me is the fact you have achieve to create such amount reserve of supplies at China when the "standard" complain of every allied player at this theatre is the critical (and cronical ) lack of supplies. I've played just two times as allied in a PBEM and, although have mantained a good pool of supplies (via carefully managing of attacks) looks like VERY dificult gets 200.000 tons by the 18 Mar 42.... Aerial transport (improbably) ? Via "priorize supplies" ?

Nemo121 -> RE: En pointe ! (7/12/2010 9:24:18 PM)
Via holding Burma and prioritising shipping to bring supplies to Rangoon and move them overland from Rangoon to China. All of the supplies I am talking about are supplies I've shipped to Burma and then overlanded to China. Certainly supplies will be short if you don't keep the Burma road open and don't commit the shipping necessary to bring supplies in but if you take the necessary steps the supply situation is manageable. The standard complaint arises as a result of a failure to hold Rangoon, keep the Burma Road open and to commit the shipping and supplies necessary. Some of that is due to the Japanese player's strategic plan ( I think Mike's is pretty much stalled now ) and some due to the Allied players' tendency to not prioritise the protection of Rangoon and the Burma Road.... This issue was my first major quandary of the game. I believe early on I detailed how I vaccilated between holding the Burma Road only or holding all of Burma and finally decided to go for all of Burma by the end of December.

traskott -> RE: En pointe ! (7/12/2010 9:42:32 PM)
Depending H.R. and so, usually Rangoon is doomed in an "standard" game. Hummm..perhaps if Mike doesn't attack DEI will try to took Rangoon?? I'll certainly try to do it !!

Nemo121 -> RE: En pointe ! (7/12/2010 11:56:01 PM)
Hmm, I wouldn't accept that thinking. Even in a "standard" game SEAC Chinese troops are available and they are sufficient to hold Burma unless the Allied player is silly and accepts some sort of HRs designed to cripple him.

traskott -> RE: En pointe ! (7/13/2010 12:06:34 AM)
Usually Allied must pay P.P. to change the HQ to SEAC in order to use them.

Nemo121 -> RE: En pointe ! (7/13/2010 12:49:59 AM)
Well, there are ways to achieve these things cheaply by switching from restricted to non-restricted within the same HQ... I'm freeing up a lot of Australian troops by this method... They are restricted but I assign them to the 1st Australian Corps and then I ship them out into the southern DEI defensive zone. I think I've bought out about 5 divisions like this. In any case if you just look at the negatives you'll always find many reasons not to do anything. I prefer to look at both sides and then occasionally things which seemed unlikely suddenly become very doable. Each to their own though... If you are playing a game in which the Allies and Japanese must pay PP in order to move troops out of India/China or from Manchuria into China then I think that there's no excuse for the Allies not launching major offensives in China by early January 1942 to draw SRA troops away from the phillipines and DEI and tie them down - which, functionally, reduces the number of troops available for Burma. Indirectly even without SEAC troops one can influence the Burma theatre... Don't be too negative or focus too much on the difficulty of things. There's usually a way to achieve anything you want - albeit it a cost.

traskott -> RE: En pointe ! (7/13/2010 12:58:35 AM)
Oh, don't worry about it, I'm sweeping all over the coast of China, crippling several japanese regiments in the process....I have no much supplies, so a limited offensive is a must.

Alfred -> RE: En pointe ! (7/13/2010 2:02:46 AM)
If, and it must be a big if, your opponent is not going for Java, then that would also strongly suggest that he is not going to quickly mop up the southern DEI. That would mean he is not going for the oil in Java and Boela/Babo. Combined with the lack of resources he has dedicated to date to the capture of Burma and its oil nor any move shown to date to capture Sumatran oil, your opponent would be engaged in some quite unusual play. To completely overlook the raw materials of the SRA is quite strange. The only plan which might warrant this course of action is if he were aiming to capture the Hawaiian islands as a base for landing on the west coast. But for that he does not have his forces positioned correctly (you have identified a naval buildup at Singkawang) for the necessary quick capture of Pearl Harbor. My assessment is that your capture of the Marshalls has rattled him and he feels obligated to maintain strong forces in the area to hit at your SLOCs and prevent any further Allied encroachments. Alternatively it could be that he is making a demonstration in the area with existing in theatre forces in an attempt to persuade you to redeploy assets there. Once accomplished he could use his interior lines to more quickly redploy his in theatre forces. Alfred

Capt. Harlock -> RE: En pointe ! (7/13/2010 3:11:03 AM)
quote: Maybe he sees things differently though? Strange. He only has 6 more weeks before Java becomes undoable due to the loss of the unloading bonus for Japan. Someone should ask him this in his AAR. \|Right now he's either being incredibly sneaky or, IMO, he has massively misjudged what he's going to need for Java. Maybe he thinks his LBA will be sufficient to force a landing? I doubt that though... Any possibility he's planning on using paratroops?

Nemo121 -> Seadragon CO transferred to BB... (7/15/2010 3:00:40 AM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 19, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Submarine attack near Singapore at 50,84 Japanese Ships CA Chokai CL Kinu DD Okikaze DD Tawakaze DD Kyukaze DD Yukaze DD Akikaze Allied Ships SS Seadragon, hits 11, heavy damage Well, Seadragon got depthcharged to the surface today and then engaged all of the IJN DDs in a surface gun battle. The combat report then showed it to have slipped beneath the waves. Ah well, one dead sub... or so I thought. SS Seadragon is sighted by escort DD Tawakaze attacking submerged sub .... DD Kyukaze fails to find sub and abandons search DD Yukaze fails to find sub and abandons search DD Akikaze fails to find sub and abandons search DD Tawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Tawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Tawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Tawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Tawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Tawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Tawakaze attacking submerged sub .... SS Seadragon forced to surface! DD Kyukaze firing on surfaced sub .... DD Yukaze firing on surfaced sub .... DD Akikaze firing on surfaced sub .... DD Kyukaze firing on surfaced sub .... DD Yukaze firing on surfaced sub .... DD Akikaze firing on surfaced sub .... DD Kyukaze firing on surfaced sub .... DD Yukaze firing on surfaced sub .... DD Akikaze firing on surfaced sub .... DD Kyukaze firing on surfaced sub .... DD Yukaze firing on surfaced sub .... DD Akikaze firing on surfaced sub .... DD Kyukaze firing on surfaced sub .... DD Yukaze firing on surfaced sub .... DD Akikaze firing on surfaced sub .... DD Kyukaze firing on surfaced sub .... DD Yukaze firing on surfaced sub .... DD Akikaze firing on surfaced sub .... Sub slips beneath the waves -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Submarine attack near Iba at 77,75 Japanese Ships PB Yamahagi Maru #3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships SS Snapper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Singkawang at 56,88 Japanese Ships DD Shiranui DD Tanikaze Allied Ships SS Sculpin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Singapore at 50,84 Japanese Ships CM Kamome CM Tsubame, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage ACM Muro Maru, Shell hits 2 ACM Chiyo Maru, Shell hits 3 Allied Ships SS Seadragon, hits 2, heavy damage Seadragon strikes again. Not content with fighting half a dozen DDs the Seadragon took on a support TF in Singapore harbour, torpedoing the Tsubame and engaging the other shipping in a surface gun battle. SS Seadragon is sighted by escort CM Tsubame firing on surfaced sub .... ACM Muro Maru firing on surfaced sub .... ACM Chiyo Maru firing on surfaced sub .... ACM Muro Maru firing on surfaced sub .... ACM Chiyo Maru firing on surfaced sub .... ACM Muro Maru firing on surfaced sub .... ACM Chiyo Maru firing on surfaced sub .... ACM Muro Maru firing on surfaced sub .... ACM Chiyo Maru firing on surfaced sub .... ACM Muro Maru firing on surfaced sub .... ACM Chiyo Maru firing on surfaced sub .... ACM Muro Maru firing on surfaced sub .... ACM Chiyo Maru firing on surfaced sub .... ACM Muro Maru firing on surfaced sub .... ACM Chiyo Maru firing on surfaced sub .... Sub slips beneath the waves She might have slipped beneath the waves again but she's actually still afloat at the end of the turn. Not bad. This sub extraordinariness should be added to the sinking of the I-1 ( which Mike tells me was damaged by a mine at one of my Marshalls bases ) by one of my subs which torpedoed it as it ran for Truk on the surface yesterday. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Hengchun at 85,68 Japanese Ships DD Harukaze DD Hatakaze Allied Ships SS Spearfish I've deleted a load of ground attack missions over China but suffice it to say the Chinese air force bombed 3 IJA concentrations and the IJNAF bombed a few of mine. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Truk , at 112,108 Mike thinks this may have been a bug but when I saw the combat replay it was pretty clear that his morale was abysmal. Before we even made contact I got a message that a flight of 3 Oscars had fled the fight. By the time his Zeroes entered the fray most of his Oscars had already fled. I think the reason his Zeroes fled so easily was that I've pretty butchered this Daitai on several occasions over the past month. The last time it saw action 14 out of 14 Zeroes were destroyed. Prior to that it lost about 20 Zeroes over Roi-Namur and Kwajalein. So, really, it looks like it has been wiped out a couple of times over the past month so it is no surprise its morale is in its boots. Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 16 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 27 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 23 Allied aircraft LB-30 Liberator x 3 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses LB-30 Liberator: 3 damaged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Kwajalein Island , at 132,115 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Allied aircraft A-20A Havoc x 13 P-40E Warhawk x 1 Allied aircraft losses A-20A Havoc: 2 damaged Airbase hits 2 Airbase supply hits 2 Runway hits 6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Kwajalein Island , at 132,115 Weather in hex: Clear sky Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Allied aircraft B-18A Bolo x 3 No Allied losses Japanese Ships SSX Ha-10, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk My shipping had damaged this mini-sub so I figured it would have to port for repairs... hence the port attacks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Changsha (82,52) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 1997 troops, 249 guns, 45 vehicles, Assault Value = 5043 Defending force 93708 troops, 598 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2924 Interesting, his force at Changsha hasn't significantly redeployed. Japanese ground losses: 55 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled) Allied ground losses: 74 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 13th Tank Regiment 12th Division 13th Division 40th Division 9th Armored Car Co 13th RGC Temp. Division 55th Infantry Brigade 51st Infantry Brigade 58th Infantry Regiment 6th Division 10th Division 10th Tank Regiment 11th RGC Temp. Division 13th Ind.Mixed Brigade 116th Division 39th Division 3rd Division 34th Division 17th/A Division 2nd JAAF Base Force 14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 9th JAAF Base Force 51st Road Const Co 11th Army 2nd Ind. Engineer Regiment 8th Ind. Engineer Regiment 11th Field Artillery Regiment 15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment 22nd Ind. Engineer Regiment 5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 51st Const Co 1st Mortar Battalion 51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 6th RF Gun Battalion 10th Mortar Battalion 13th JAAF Base Force 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 54th JAAF AF Bn Defending units: 58th Chinese Corps 37th Chinese Corps 26th Chinese Corps 20th Chinese Corps 50th Chinese Corps 9th Prov Chinese Corps 3rd New Chinese Corps 78th Chinese Corps 46th Chinese Corps 28th Chinese Corps 21st Chinese Corps 6th Construction Regiment 72nd Chinese Corps 10th Chinese Corps 5th Construction Regiment 9th War Area 32nd Group Army 27th Group Army 3rd War Area 29th Group Army 19th Group Army 30th Group Army 17th Chinese Base Force 10th Group Army 25th Group Army 56th AT Gun Regiment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Hankow (85,50) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 87637 troops, 454 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3137 Defending force 12204 troops, 128 guns, 84 vehicles, Assault Value = 297 Now THIS is a major mistake on Mike's part. Hankow is his easiest escape route from any Changsha pocket. With 3,000+ AV ( even though my experience is abysmal ) I can just push through by dint of numbers. Allied ground losses: 12 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 2nd Chinese Corps 68th Chinese Corps 67th Chinese Corps 87th Chinese Corps 53rd Chinese Corps 8th Chinese Corps 18th Chinese Corps 75th Chinese Corps 94th Chinese Corps 20th Group Army 6th War Area 26th Group Army Defending units: 57th Infantry Brigade 1st Ind.Mixed Brigade Hankow Special Base Force 16th JAAF Base Force 67th JAAF AF Coy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 86,42 Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 21173 troops, 92 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 685 Defending force 29221 troops, 254 guns, 32 vehicles, Assault Value = 968 And here he is threatening to cut in behind my forces east of Sian. Fortunately I have woods protecting me but if he pushes here I might not be able to hold. Japanese ground losses: 6 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 5 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Sinyang (86,48) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 34754 troops, 281 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1106 Defending force 42566 troops, 399 guns, 160 vehicles, Assault Value = 1539 Hmm, another pressure point where he's pushing troops in from Manchuria... I think it is definitely time to take Hankow and push for that Changsha pocket. He has the potential to dislocate my northern lines and the best defence for that is to dislocate his southern position. Assaulting units: 55th Chinese Corps 12th Chinese Corps 13th Chinese Corps 51st Chinese Corps 30th Chinese Corps 77th Chinese Corps Jingcha War Area 31st Group Army Defending units: 18th RGC Temp. Division 15th Division 12th RGC Temp. Division 32nd/A Division 2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade 36th Division 15th Ind.Mixed Brigade 32nd/B Division 52nd Road Const Co -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 81,53 Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 9581 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1952 Defending force 6379 troops, 42 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 236 This was hilarious. 2,000 AV of Chinese troops vs 200 AV of IJA troops and I still ended up on the wrong side of the adjusted AV. Ah well, more combat gets more experience gets larger adjusted AVs and, in the long run, 2000 AV vs 200 will eventually wear the smaller force down. That's what's nice about the new combat model, it models the reality of force correlations quite a lot better IMO. Allied adjusted assault: 167 Japanese adjusted defense: 202 Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: op mode(-), leaders(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 462 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 59 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 39 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Allied ground losses: 388 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Assaulting units: 99th Chinese Corps 73rd Chinese Corps 74th Chinese Corps 70th Chinese Corps 100th Chinese Corps Defending units: 12th Ind.Mixed Brigade 23rd RGC Temp. Division Harlock, As to paras... He might have 200 or 300 AV of paras tops. Vs 1200 AV behind Level 6 forts with 100% prep and a x3 defensive modifier for terrain that wouldn't even register. His only chance would be to hit Benkoenen with them but even there I now have about 200 AV which is behind forts and with AAA to shoot down enemy transports. I can't see it causing any serious trouble. Alfred, Aye, it makes no sense, no sense at all. But, neither does a further delay in taking southern Borneo. Sure, I've managed to fake at least 800 AV into the Pacific with the Marshalls operation and the drive into the Kuriles but surely he could have freed 300 or 400 AV for the operations necessary to take southern Borneo. It really doesn't make much sense. Even taking Hawaii now wouldn't avail him much since most of my battleline units are deployed into the DEI region and ready for a base-hopping campaign there if he doesn't commit KB and enough Netties to the area. Hell, if he really doesn't make an effort into the DEI by the end of April ( the time at which his amphib bonus runs out ) I'll just invade Malaysia and conduct a campaign to link up with the Chinese... with sufficient supply flowing to China and the new ground combat model a Chinese offensive will be unstoppable. I find it difficult to believe he could forego the SRA so though.

traskott -> RE: Seadragon CO transferred to BB... (7/15/2010 1:12:01 PM)
+1. He should definitely go against Java. Even if he must bleed his troops, the strategic situation with Java taken worth even the loss of a whole army.

Capt. Harlock -> RE: Seadragon CO transferred to BB... (7/15/2010 8:23:11 PM)
quote: This was hilarious. 2,000 AV of Chinese troops vs 200 AV of IJA troops and I still ended up on the wrong side of the adjusted AV. Ah well, more combat gets more experience gets larger adjusted AVs and, in the long run, 2000 AV vs 200 will eventually wear the smaller force down. That's what's nice about the new combat model, it models the reality of force correlations quite a lot better IMO. Allied adjusted assault: 167 Japanese adjusted defense: 202 Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: op mode(-), leaders(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 462 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 59 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 39 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Allied ground losses: 388 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled You may have ended up on the wrong side of the AV balance, but not on the wrong side of the casualty figures. Especially when you realize the Allies did not have any units destroyed, just disrupted. If you can manage the supply cost, this is an attrition duel worth trying.

DTurtle -> RE: Seadragon CO transferred to BB... (7/15/2010 11:32:48 PM)
quote: Ground combat at 81,53 Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 9581 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1952 Defending force 6379 troops, 42 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 236 This was hilarious. 2,000 AV of Chinese troops vs 200 AV of IJA troops and I still ended up on the wrong side of the adjusted AV. Ah well, more combat gets more experience gets larger adjusted AVs and, in the long run, 2000 AV vs 200 will eventually wear the smaller force down. That's what's nice about the new combat model, it models the reality of force correlations quite a lot better IMO. Allied adjusted assault: 167 Japanese adjusted defense: 202 Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 A question about that report: The attacking force shows only 9600 allied troops - which is quite a lot less than would be needed for 2000 AV. Could it be that the ground forces missed some kind of check, causing most of the forces not to attack, with only a small part of the forces attacking? It would explain the massive loss of adjusted assault.

wpurdom -> RE: Seadragon CO transferred to BB... (7/16/2010 7:56:56 PM)
quote: Ground combat at Hankow (85,50) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 87637 troops, 454 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3137 Defending force 12204 troops, 128 guns, 84 vehicles, Assault Value = 297 Now THIS is a major mistake on Mike's part. Hankow is his easiest escape route from any Changsha pocket. With 3,000+ AV ( even though my experience is abysmal ) I can just push through by dint of numbers. Huge problem. Hankow is the key to the whole Central China front for the Japanese. With the level 4(2) port, the huge air base, the good terrain - it's the key to logistics and strategic mobility. With Hankow securely held, pocketing the Wuhan area is a little like trying to beseige Chattanooga after the "Cracker line" was opened. With a little shipping on the river, the IJA has superior mobility between Nanking and the center and no supply problems. But if Hankow falls, there's potential for the whole Central front army to wither and die with the Chinese acquiring experience killing them off. And Sinyang also becomes more secure with alternate supply routes. If he doesn't have the force to relieve Hankow from the north before you take it, or to immediately kick you out afterwards before you can fortify, he could be in for a world of pain. OTOH, he could have enough force in the other half of the city (Wuchang) to hold on. He starts with 2 good divisions there with about 450 AV each.

Nemo121 -> RE: Seadragon CO transferred to BB... (7/17/2010 12:48:37 AM)
Dturtle, it could be.. I've taken the precaution of replacing the leaders with ones with more aggression. Also I did find a supply problem. Basically I draw supplies to Hankow via Ichang and the base circled in red. Unfortunately the base in red requires a garrison and I mistakenly ordered the unit there out as my reserve passed through on the way to take Ichang. The airbase is utterly trashed and I think that is cutting the flow of supplies also. Anyways in 2 or 3 days I'll have the garrison back and supplies should flow better. As it is half of my units at Hankow had insufficient supplies today... which I think must have hurt the attack. In any case though I'll keep attacking because even an exchange rate in Japan's favour works in my favour when I have ten times as many troops. Allied ground losses are a bit over 2,500 points while IJA losses are over 500 now. I'm ramping up IJA losses now as I begin to really engage their forces in China. In other news: in the north I've advanced eastward to cut IJA supply lines to Sinyang and 3 IJA units have retreated from Sinyang as I forced their compatriots backward near Changsha. Only a single IJA unit blocks my path at Kweiyang and even though my troops are poorly experienced and the terrain favours Japan I've decided to push out... It all complicates the IJA situation and invites the committment of SRA troops - which then cannot move into action along the DEI axis. In other news, as my forces really begin to push out in China and try to draw SRA troops into close action I am beginning to free up US and USMC Regiments from the Marshalls and CONUSA. 2nd Marine Regiment has been en route for the DEI for the past 2 weeks and it is meeting up with the 8th USMC Regiment and two US Army Regiments from the Marshall Islands. These 4 Regiments are going to be used as circumstances dictate: a) Balikpapan - I can see an IJN convoy making for the Balikpapan region. If I still hold Balikpapan when the US Regiments get there they may go into Balikpapan to hold it and prevent the IJN opening the southern Borneo flank to the DEI. b) Menado - As time goes by and I get a solid anti-shipping ( torpedo bomber and dive-bomber ) force holding Menado and projecting power into the Badeldoab/southern Phillipines region looks ever more attractive. c) counter-invasion. If he invades somewhere nothing should stuff him up more than a few BBs and 500 AV of angry Americans visiting the base before he has finished taking it. Logistics: a) China... Another 60,000 tons of supplies has reached China and bolstered the forces at the front. Only along the Hankow front are any of my forces short of supplies - and that's due to my error in terms of garrison requirements. b) Oosthaven is almost ready to reload BBs ( including 16 inchers )... I have been assiduously bringing naval support units there since Day 1 with a view to this and I've just topped 500 naval support squads. This was the trigger for my committment of the Royal Navy HQ from Ceylon ( which was hugely helping my repair times there ) which brings an additional 300 squads and pushed the Level 4 port's naval support up into the high 800s - enough to reload every ship I have in the area ( including CVs if and when that time comes ). [image]local://upfiles/10809/937E2BB39B1C4953AAE441A9DE1ED507.jpg[/image]

wpurdom -> RE: Seadragon CO transferred to BB... (7/17/2010 3:49:51 PM)
I request blow-by-blow updates on what happens in Hankow and Sinyang and any reinforcements that arrive for each side in Hankow.

Nemo121 -> RE: Seadragon CO transferred to BB... (7/17/2010 4:17:18 PM)
To what purpose? I'm an auftragstaktiken rather than a directive orders kind of guy. If I know why I can decide if it is worth doing ( it probably is since I am assuming there's something you're checking for ) and what you're actually looking for and use my judgement to better provide/ present that info. I assume you're just looking to see the AVs to check reinforcements etc coming in and to see if, under the current combat model, the "wearing down" of the forces at Hankow is a viable strategy by the Chinese... but there's always the possibility you're looking for something different. From his forces I think he can kick me out of Sinyang but there's a good possibility I could push him out of Hankow ( especially once I repair the supply line in 2 to 3 days time)...

Nemo121 -> RE: Seadragon CO transferred to BB... (7/17/2010 4:24:34 PM)
20th March 1942 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Hankow (85,50) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 87671 troops, 454 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3204 Defending force 12256 troops, 129 guns, 85 vehicles, Assault Value = 301 Allied adjusted assault: 912 Japanese adjusted defense: 1569 Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 4) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-) experience(-) Attacker: supply(-) Several of my forces were low on supply.. It'll be three or so days before this is fixed but even so I will keep attacking. Attrition very much favours me here. Japanese ground losses: 417 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 28 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 56 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Allied ground losses: 990 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 81 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 69 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Assaulting units: 18th Chinese Corps 8th Chinese Corps 75th Chinese Corps 67th Chinese Corps 87th Chinese Corps 53rd Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Corps 68th Chinese Corps 94th Chinese Corps 45th Chinese/C Corps 6th War Area 20th Group Army 26th Group Army Defending units: 57th Infantry Brigade 1st Ind.Mixed Brigade Hankow Special Base Force 16th JAAF Base Force 67th JAAF AF Coy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 86,42 Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 21210 troops, 92 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 692 Defending force 29374 troops, 254 guns, 32 vehicles, Assault Value = 981 Allied ground losses: 7 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 9th Chinese Corps 27th Chinese Corps 93rd Chinese Corps 5th New Chinese Corps 14th Group Army 15th Group Army Defending units: 35th Division 3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade 11th Division -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Sinyang (86,48) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 34803 troops, 281 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1110 Defending force 42690 troops, 399 guns, 160 vehicles, Assault Value = 1550 The terrain is in my favour but my experience is very low ( was in the mid-30s but is now in the low to mid-40s). I am bombarding every turn to increase experience and if he waits another few days I should be at 50+ Exp. This will pretty much increase my adjusted AV by 50% on where it would have been just a week ago and should make a difference to any attack. The wooded terrain should help also, plus the fact that I've driven 1,000 AV into the supply route for this IJA force. Allied ground losses: 37 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 12th Chinese Corps 51st Chinese Corps 13th Chinese Corps 55th Chinese Corps 30th Chinese Corps 77th Chinese Corps Jingcha War Area 31st Group Army Defending units: 15th Division 32nd/A Division 15th Ind.Mixed Brigade 2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade 36th Division 18th RGC Temp. Division 12th RGC Temp. Division 32nd/B Division 52nd Road Const Co -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It looks like MIke is upgrading to the next beta patch so I'll be moving onto that as well now...

Nemo121 -> RE: Seadragon CO transferred to BB... (7/17/2010 5:33:14 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 21, 42 A mixed day for the Allies. China went well, the Pacific less so.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Singkawang at 56,88 Japanese Ships BB Kongo CA Atago DD Nenohi DD Hatsuharu Allied Ships SS Sculpin, hits 3 Hit but dud. Nice to see a CA and BB at Singkawang though. I can get at them with surface shipping when the time comes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Singkawang at 56,88 Japanese Ships DD Hatsuharu BB Kongo CA Atago DD Nenohi Allied Ships SS Sculpin, hits 2 This torp missed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Truk , at 112,108 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 14 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 23 Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 23 Allied aircraft LB-30 Liberator x 3 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses LB-30 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged Actually it looks like two were destroyed. With enough planes US 4-engined bombers are vulnerable. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 116,111 What a missed opportunity. I was sending Warspite, some CLs and CAs and DDs to Truk. I had assigned a massive CAP ( 200 fighters from Ponape ) but, unfortunately, the fighters failed to fly. Even more unfortunately the Japanese didn't. If my fighters had flown I feel confident I could have butchered this strike. 100 top IJN aviators will live to fight another day. Damn!!! [:D] Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 45 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 34 B5N1 Kate x 13 B5N2 Kate x 21 D3A1 Val x 29 Japanese aircraft losses B5N2 Kate: 5 damaged D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged Allied Ships CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 2, on fire BB Warspite, Torpedo hits 1 DD Litchfield DD Balch CL Detroit Zuikaku, Shokaku and Zuiho were IDed as contributing airgroups to the attack. The number of Kates which dropped bombs only makes me think a few CVEs might be involved also. So, 4 CVLs up in the Kuriles and another 3 to 4 CVs down here + some CVEs. He's really split KB up. If he has split them up like this there is no chance that he can seriously think he is going to be able to invade Java and Sumatra. Without KB he just doesn't have a chance. He just may be trying to neutralise Hawaii... which would be interesting as my response will be to counter-invade the Phillipines or Malaysia... after a little deceptive manoeuvring. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 116,111 Weather in hex: Overcast Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 30 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 19 B5N1 Kate x 27 B5N2 Kate x 24 D3A1 Val x 18 Japanese aircraft losses B5N1 Kate: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged D3A1 Val: 1 damaged Allied Ships CA Astoria BB Warspite, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage CL Leander, Bomb hits 3, on fire CA New Orleans CL Detroit DD Clark DD Dale DD Worden, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Porter Tomorrow I will leave another ship out with massive CAP over it. With just a little luck I might get a chance at these strikegroups again. I will do my best to get Warspite to Ponape. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Sinyang (86,48) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 42478 troops, 399 guns, 158 vehicles, Assault Value = 1554 Defending force 38613 troops, 296 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1181 Japanese adjusted assault: 708 Allied adjusted defense: 887 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 2854 casualties reported Squads: 10 destroyed, 307 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 184 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled Allied ground losses: 1417 casualties reported Squads: 11 destroyed, 38 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 113 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Well, the terrain helped me hold and I think that without reinforcement the Japanese won't open this road. Assaulting units: 2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade 32nd/A Division 36th Division 15th Division 15th Ind.Mixed Brigade 12th RGC Temp. Division 18th RGC Temp. Division 32nd/B Division 52nd Road Const Co Defending units: 51st Chinese Corps 55th Chinese Corps 13th Chinese Corps 77th Chinese Corps 12th Chinese Corps 30th Chinese Corps 45th Chinese/A Corps Jingcha War Area 31st Group Army -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Hankow (85,50) Japanese Shock attack The IJA 23rd Division crossed the river to help out but it appears the programme has decided that my troops have such overwhelming numbers that any river-crossing is actually being done under fire. As such the IJA division was forced to Shock Attack. Before the battle proper even started it went from 470 AV to just 270 AV. OUCH !!! Attacking force 13460 troops, 110 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 747 Defending force 91626 troops, 468 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3151 Japanese adjusted assault: 388 Allied adjusted defense: 4073 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 10 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 3082 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 117 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 176 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled Allied ground losses: 143 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 57th Infantry Brigade 1st Ind.Mixed Brigade 23rd Division Hankow Special Base Force 16th JAAF Base Force 67th JAAF AF Coy Defending units: 75th Chinese Corps 94th Chinese Corps 87th Chinese Corps 18th Chinese Corps 67th Chinese Corps 8th Chinese Corps 68th Chinese Corps 53rd Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Corps 45th Chinese/C Corps 6th War Area 20th Group Army 26th Group Army -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Catbalogan (82,84) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 1204 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 43 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 13 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 13 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Catbalogan !!! The IJA and IJN are still cleaning up around the Phillipines. I'm leaving these forces be as it suits my purposes for them to be wasted in this way. Combat modifiers Attacker: op mode(-), leaders(-) Assaulting units: Miura Det -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Tablas (79,81) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 1468 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 61 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 23 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 23 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Tablas !!! Combat modifiers Attacker: leaders(-) Assaulting units: 16th Naval Guard Unit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Hankow (85,50) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 88543 troops, 468 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3144 Defending force 22935 troops, 239 guns, 127 vehicles, Assault Value = 571 Allied adjusted assault: 1377 Japanese adjusted defense: 1025 Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 4) Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3 Excellent result. I get 1:! and I dropped the forts. The 23rd division is also rather savaged. Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-) experience(-) Attacker: Note that the supply problem from last turn has now been sorted out. Japanese ground losses: 470 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 36 disabled Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 65 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Allied ground losses: 1497 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 172 disabled Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 86 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Assaulting units: 8th Chinese Corps 68th Chinese Corps 87th Chinese Corps 53rd Chinese Corps 18th Chinese Corps 75th Chinese Corps 67th Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Corps 94th Chinese Corps 45th Chinese/C Corps 20th Group Army 6th War Area 26th Group Army Defending units: 57th Infantry Brigade 1st Ind.Mixed Brigade 23rd Division Hankow Special Base Force 16th JAAF Base Force 67th JAAF AF Coy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 86,42 Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 21250 troops, 92 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 698 Defending force 29458 troops, 254 guns, 32 vehicles, Assault Value = 988 Assaulting units: 27th Chinese Corps 93rd Chinese Corps 9th Chinese Corps 5th New Chinese Corps 14th Group Army 15th Group Army Defending units: 3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade 35th Division 11th Division -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Sinyang (86,48) Allied Bombardment attack Attacking force 33893 troops, 281 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1101 Defending force 39937 troops, 399 guns, 160 vehicles, Assault Value = 1326 Assaulting units: 12th Chinese Corps 55th Chinese Corps 77th Chinese Corps 51st Chinese Corps 30th Chinese Corps 13th Chinese Corps 45th Chinese/A Corps Jingcha War Area 31st Group Army Defending units: 18th RGC Temp. Division 2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade 32nd/A Division 15th Division 12th RGC Temp. Division 36th Division 15th Ind.Mixed Brigade 32nd/B Division 52nd Road Const Co -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kweilin (76,54) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 38022 troops, 253 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1465 Defending force 2100 troops, 0 guns, 60 vehicles, Assault Value = 1 Allied adjusted assault: 1754 Japanese adjusted defense: 19 Allied assault odds: 92 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 631 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 37 destroyed, 48 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Vehicles lost 38 (14 destroyed, 24 disabled) Units retreated 1 23rd Army HQ gets taken care of...It appears to have retreated too slowly. Ah well ;-). Allied ground losses: 14 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 62nd Chinese Corps 88th Chinese Corps 63rd Chinese Corps 86th Chinese Corps 31st Chinese Corps 2nd Prov Chinese Corps 2nd Chinese Base Force 4th War Area 7th War Area 11th Chinese Base Force 7th Chinese Base Force 12th Group Army 13th Chinese Base Force Defending units: 23rd Army -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at 87,45 Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 43361 troops, 191 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1633 Defending force 891 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10 Allied adjusted assault: 1501 Japanese adjusted defense: 1 Allied assault odds: 1501 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: op mode(-), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 1024 casualties reported Squads: 10 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 42 destroyed, 18 disabled Engineers: 8 destroyed, 6 disabled Units retreated 1 Allied ground losses: 45 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 90th Chinese Corps 59th Chinese Corps 41st Chinese Corps 92nd Chinese Corps 39th Chinese Corps 7th New Chinese Corps 5th War Area 22nd Group Army 33rd Group Army Defending units: 23rd JNAF AF Unit A lot of IJA forces have been damaged but actually destroyed squads are rare. Only 71 IJA squads and vehicles were destroyed today. Over time though as the IJA seeks to evacuate the pocket it can, no doubt, see developing at Changsha I expect to be able to seriously hurt those retreating forces.... They will either have to go through Hankow ( and shock attack and lose 30 to 40% of their strength ) or turn east south of Hankow and try to break through my blocking forces between them and Shanghai. All in all I think the plan is coming together nicely although, obviously, it is still subject to change in response to developing circumstances.

Capt. Harlock -> RE: Seadragon CO transferred to BB... (7/17/2010 6:38:05 PM)
quote: Allied Ships CA Astoria BB Warspite, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage CL Leander, Bomb hits 3, on fire CA New Orleans CL Detroit DD Clark DD Dale DD Worden, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Porter Tomorrow I will leave another ship out with massive CAP over it. With just a little luck I might get a chance at these strikegroups again. I will do my best to get Warspite to Ponape. How much does Warspite interfere with your plans to assemble Surface Combat forces in the DEI? (But it seems New Orleans has managed to shrug off that fire...)

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