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Tecnócrata -> RE: Civ 5 Manual (9/21/2010 5:19:30 PM)
quote: Actually, I wish matrix would give up their own archaic system and use something like steam or impulse. Hope not. Any steam game cannot be applied the patch you want (installs latest automatically). This is more of a problem when there are beta patches, which you cannot install properly. Even worse, steam always releases patches much later. Not breathing steam here. Not willing to have an active internet connection to install or play, too. I wasn't interested in Civ5 really, but after this no way I'm buying. So they can screw their wonderful download system where the day never dawns.

diablo1 -> RE: Civ 5 Manual (9/21/2010 5:23:52 PM)
Same here, I wouldn't buy any Matrixgames if they were to goto Steamlike releases. I don't mind the activation key but when I'm paying $30 to $80 for a game I sure as hell want to "own" it afterwards. I dont' want to have to goto any online site 20 years from now should I decide to remove it and want to play it again then. So, that's the problem with Steam, you have to depend on it being around 20 years from now. You have to depend on it being around for your lifetime in fact if you want to play all the games you bought in your lifetime. I don't believe in this "play and throwaway bs" that I see some refer to. I have games from the 60's I still play even though Avalon Hill is gone. Even though Milton Bradley doesn't produce the old Heritage games I still have them and can play them also. Like Battlecry, Broadsides and Dogfight. So, I demand to be able to play everything I bought and paid for I don't care if it was 40-50 years ago.

Lützow -> RE: Civ 5 Manual (9/21/2010 5:43:34 PM)
Talking gameplay, I didn't make up my mind yet. I like the new graphics and unobstrusive music more than the cartoonish style and tribal sounds from Civ 4, but after 40 turns so far it has not sucked me in. Feels rather a bit lame. That is no final conclusion of course.

wodin -> RE: Civ 5 Manual (9/21/2010 6:03:59 PM)
I play and throw away cos 99.9999999999999999999999% of games have NO lasting appeal.....I certainly wont be playing any games on my hard drive in 20 years anyway...granted there are time si wiosh I could play a game I have ditched BUT I'm sure if I installed it again it wouldn't stay on my hard drive there was a reason it left in the first place...

Lützow -> RE: Civ 5 Manual (9/21/2010 6:49:48 PM)
My second impression: They added some new stuff (social policies, city states, hexes, combat revamp) but in return removed some advanced features which were available in Civ 4 (religion, culture influence, etc.). Also the information windows (i.e. diplomacy) are a step backward. Altogether it feels sorta lacking, more like Civ Revolution than Civilization. That is still no final conclusion for sure, but I can already say that I liked Civ 4 more from the get-go, despite it's childish visuals.

JudgeDredd -> RE: Civ 5 Manual (9/21/2010 6:54:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tecnócrata ...Any steam game cannot be applied the patch you want (installs latest automatically).... I don't mind people having views about Steam - it's your perogative - but get it right - otherwise your spreading your misinformation. That statement above is bollox. You can set each game to keep up to date automatically or not - your choice (of course if you don't, and fail to install any required patches, you'll have problems with online games and mismatched versions - but that isn't exclusive to Steam) - but your statement above is 100% incorrect.

JudgeDredd -> RE: Civ 5 Manual (9/21/2010 6:58:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wodin I play and throw away cos 99.9999999999999999999999% of games have NO lasting appeal.....I certainly wont be playing any games on my hard drive in 20 years anyway...granted there are time si wiosh I could play a game I have ditched BUT I'm sure if I installed it again it wouldn't stay on my hard drive there was a reason it left in the first place... Totally agree with this. Very few games will stay on my hard drive - they're just not worthy sometimes. Not necessarily ad games, just not what I was looking for/hoped for. My one gripe with Steam, in fact, is that it shows your entire library, regardless of whether you've got the game installed or not (the ones not installed are greyed out)...but it just annoys me they're there, because I won't be reinstalling them :-) There may well be a setting to hide them, but I've yet to find it and never really looked that deep for the answer...clearly doesn't bother me that much - but it's the only realy gripe I have with Steam.

Lützow -> RE: Civ 5 Manual (9/21/2010 9:24:58 PM)
Another thing which upsets me about some digital download providers is the rip-off of European customers, since they charge a similiar amount in € and USD. That said, being European, one can get simply outwit the shop system by pretending to come from the states. Doesn't work neccessarily with Steam (at least I didn't try) but for GamersGate in example. The trick is, to go through a proxy or virtual private network (vpn) which routes you over a US located ip. Problem with these services is, that they usually don't provide a sufficient bandwith for large downloads and some are not going go through secure protocols (https), needed for payment. Anyway, if one doesn't want to deal with proxy settings and alike, here is a simple procedure to make it work with GamersGate. First, install a free software (i.e. HotSpot Shield), afterwards access GG shop and every price will be shown in USD. Now follow the usual steps and add the game to your account. After that close your web browser and log back on your normal (non proxy) connection, in order to download the client with full speed.

Arctic Blast -> RE: Civ 5 Manual (9/21/2010 10:25:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Obsolete quote: GoG is a good example of what can happen with these direct download sites. Just flip a switch and lights out on all your games you bought from them if you didn't have the setup.exe backed up or you did have it backed up and you lost that piece of media or hardware. Hopefully some hacker groups can step in and get a few cracks out to fix that mess. Don't know what else to say there... GOG didn't use any DRM on their games, so I don't see why a crack would be necessary. [&:]

wodin -> RE: Civ 5 Manual (9/21/2010 10:34:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lützow My second impression: They added some new stuff (social policies, city states, hexes, combat revamp) but in return removed some advanced features which were available in Civ 4 (religion, culture influence, etc.). Also the information windows (i.e. diplomacy) are a step backward. Altogether it feels sorta lacking, more like Civ Revolution than Civilization. That is still no final conclusion for sure, but I can already say that I liked Civ 4 more from the get-go, despite it's childish visuals. The first review of CiV that says it probably how it is....all other impressions seem to be clouded by new shiney game syndrome....

Lützow -> RE: Civ 5 Manual (9/22/2010 12:05:15 AM)
Finished the demo 2x with two different nations, although the small map is way too crowded with city states for my taste. Switched from default difficulty level to Prince and it was a bit more challenging now. The one thing I enjoy is the new combat system, feels sorta like Panzer General. But then again, waging war seems to be the most feasible way to play CiV 5. On the other hand it's highly visible that Firaxis streamlined CiV for the sake of higher 'accessibility' (the disease of all modern games). Two things I noticed: there are no nation leaders to choose from anymore and land units don't need ship transports, but can embark themselves and 'walk' over water, considering one researched the according technology. Why companies always have to remove attributes instead of enhancing depth and details is beyond me. Mind you, I'm rather the guy who plays a video game until he beats it and loose interest after. So loyal fanboys might come to a different conclusion and Civ 5 is in no way a bad game. Just not my cup of tea, as it doesn't require enough thinking.

JudgeDredd -> RE: Civ 5 Manual (9/22/2010 7:05:20 AM)
I'm not sure you could choose a nation leader anyway - you could choose a nation, but the leader was assigned to you from what I recall in Civ IV

warspite1 -> RE: Civ 5 Manual (9/22/2010 7:53:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd I'm not sure you could choose a nation leader anyway - you could choose a nation, but the leader was assigned to you from what I recall in Civ IV Warspite1 Some nations had more than one leader so you could choose e.g. England had Elizabeth I, Victoria or Churchill. These were not all available from the first release - I think Churchill and maybe Victoria came with the expansions.

warspite1 -> RE: Standards (9/22/2010 8:19:31 AM)
Need to get something off my chest.... I had a quick look at the manual and this has certainly whet my appetite for the game - roll on Friday! However I was very disappointed about one thing. The phrase P***ED off is used in one section to describe anger at something. I know its not the worst swear word in the world, but why the need for it? In the UK, standards of speech seem to be dropping all the time. Dropping of H's seems to be a pre-requisite for young T.V / radio presenters getting hired. Swearing is becoming common place in radio edit versions of pop songs too. Even so, I was still naive enough to be shocked that this language appears in a game manual like this. As someone who rarely looks at a manual (would rather just jump in and learn through play) I do not know if Matrix are "guilty" of this drop in standards too - but I hope not.

2guncohen -> RE: Standards (9/22/2010 8:44:46 AM)
Its pretty unfunny that the full game is not yet released... but the demo is accesible on steam ... [:@]

warspite1 -> RE: Standards (9/22/2010 8:51:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: 2guncohen Its pretty unfunny that the full game is not yet released... Warspite1 Why? It was always scheduled for September 24th as far as I know.

2guncohen -> RE: Standards (9/22/2010 9:25:44 AM)
@Warsprite1 I heard the retail is already released in the shops ^^

JudgeDredd -> RE: Standards (9/22/2010 10:00:52 AM)
That would wind me up too Warspite. I've been saying for the last couple of years that bad language and the lack of proper, intellectual use of the English language is creeping in more and more - enhanced by radio and pop stars....made more acceptable in no small way with Chris Moyles radio show - on between 6:30 and 10am - and he continuously uses the word arse - regularly - every morning! Civility is definitely taking a nose dive

Zakhal -> RE: Standards (9/22/2010 10:14:28 AM)
Shop just said they mailed civ5. Should receive it before weekend.

goodwoodrw -> RE: Standards (9/22/2010 10:44:35 AM)
I agree, let me say my language isn't best, but I don't swear around my kids, and I won't let anyone either, if this is an ebook manual, the publishers have no excuse and should remove asap, after all it is game directed towards players of all ages. Life is becoming a sad event. I'm with you Warspite and Judge. Ron

wodin -> RE: Standards (9/22/2010 11:40:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd That would wind me up too Warspite. I've been saying for the last couple of years that bad language and the lack of proper, intellectual use of the English language is creeping in more and more - enhanced by radio and pop stars....made more acceptable in no small way with Chris Moyles radio show - on between 6:30 and 10am - and he continuously uses the word arse - regularly - every morning! Civility is definitely taking a nose dive Well said....

LarryP -> RE: Standards (9/22/2010 2:02:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd That would wind me up too Warspite. I've been saying for the last couple of years that bad language and the lack of proper, intellectual use of the English language is creeping in more and more - enhanced by radio and pop stars....made more acceptable in no small way with Chris Moyles radio show - on between 6:30 and 10am - and he continuously uses the word arse - regularly - every morning! Civility is definitely taking a nose dive Good post JD. [&o] Here in the States it is really bad. We could go on forever about the moral issues and cause a ton of fights too. I'm outta here. [X(]

Knavery -> RE: Standards (9/22/2010 3:18:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wodin quote: ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd That would wind me up too Warspite. I've been saying for the last couple of years that bad language and the lack of proper, intellectual use of the English language is creeping in more and more - enhanced by radio and pop stars....made more acceptable in no small way with Chris Moyles radio show - on between 6:30 and 10am - and he continuously uses the word arse - regularly - every morning! Civility is definitely taking a nose dive Well said.... I'm not sure if I view this the same way. I'm not offended by speech in and of itself. I'm not the type of person that's going to start crying when someone uses the word PI**ED. I find that utterly ridiculous to be honest. What I am bothered by is proper grammar. If swear words are used in a grammatically correct sentence, I've no issue with it. But simply being offended by the use of a word is laughable. I do agree that a certain level of professionalism should be displayed in written materials unless of course there's a common light-hearted theme throughout. I hope you guys aren't that uptight. Loosen that belt.

warspite1 -> RE: Standards (9/22/2010 4:19:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Knavery quote: ORIGINAL: wodin quote: ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd That would wind me up too Warspite. I've been saying for the last couple of years that bad language and the lack of proper, intellectual use of the English language is creeping in more and more - enhanced by radio and pop stars....made more acceptable in no small way with Chris Moyles radio show - on between 6:30 and 10am - and he continuously uses the word arse - regularly - every morning! Civility is definitely taking a nose dive Well said.... I'm not sure if I view this the same way. I'm not offended by speech in and of itself. I'm not the type of person that's going to start crying when someone uses the word PIED. I find that utterly ridiculous to be honest. What I am bothered by is proper grammar. If swear words are used in a grammatically correct sentence, I've no issue with it. But simply being offended by the use of a word is laughable. I do agree that a certain level of professionalism should be displayed in written materials unless of course there's a common light-hearted theme throughout. I hope you guys aren't that uptight. Loosen that belt. Warspite1 Not sure anyone was "crying" about it. Three or four people were merely expressing a view; lamenting the fact that standards are in decline. There are a number of measures by which standards can be seen to be in decline; bad language, lazy speech, lack of manners, lack of civility, lack of respect are perhaps chief amongst them. Frankly I find strange the fact that you think the following scenario is okay; namely, if I am sitting on a train with my two young children and a group of people opposite are talking about the night before and the fact that they got S* faced, W*ered, and at the end of the evening had a fight with a load of ***, then thats perfectly okay so long as the sentences that contain the profanity are perfectly formed and gramatically correct [8\|] I have no problem with bad language in itself - indeed there are times when only a really well placed use of a four letter word really hits the spot. But like everything there is a time and a place; a computer game manual, read by children, is not the correct place in my opinion. Its just an opinion - but to suggest that anyone holding it is ridiculous, uptight, or someone to be laughed at is a bit of a shame.

JudgeDredd -> RE: Standards (9/22/2010 5:43:26 PM)
Knavery I have kids. I swear like a trooper - but I do not swear in front of my kids. I think the "establishment" should uphold those values or at the very least allow me to uphold them - my kids hear and probably say worse - what I'm talking about is the desensitisation of swearing. Swearing has a place and it can get your point across forcefully - however, if over used, it loses it's "spike". If you know what I'm talking about and are still ok with swearing becoming commonplace regardless of the audience, then you'll find before long 4 and 5 years olds using it and no-one will bat an eyelid. As an example - there's a word used commonly on the gaming circuit and, I've recently discovered, in the public place - rape. "You raped me on TF2 last night" - "I was facebook raped last night"....this word has very exceptional meaning. It's tied to a horrendous, disgusting act of violence and is now being used commonplace. Now the more that word is used, the less "abhorrent" it sounds - even when linked to the act ual crime. That's what I'm talking about...swear words becoming common place to have an effect two fold - 1. that younger and younger kids will think there's nothing wrong with it and 2. desensitisation of the effects of the words. This is becoming increasingly worse with mobile phones - because people forget the "public" space they're in and decide to have their loud mouthed, foul language conversations in public and assault everyones ears with it - including my two children - with whom, as I pointed out, I do not swear in front of. Not crying - it's just a shame to see standards slip

JudgeDredd -> RE: Standards (9/22/2010 5:45:26 PM)
oh - and my point with the DJ Chris Moyles is this - he's on early in the morning till 10 am - a BIG kids audience waiting for him. Now I don't use the phrases he uses in front of my children - I find it offensive to me that I have to pay the BBC to have him do it for me!

Knavery -> RE: Standards (9/22/2010 6:57:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 quote: ORIGINAL: Knavery quote: ORIGINAL: wodin quote: ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd That would wind me up too Warspite. I've been saying for the last couple of years that bad language and the lack of proper, intellectual use of the English language is creeping in more and more - enhanced by radio and pop stars....made more acceptable in no small way with Chris Moyles radio show - on between 6:30 and 10am - and he continuously uses the word arse - regularly - every morning! Civility is definitely taking a nose dive Well said.... I'm not sure if I view this the same way. I'm not offended by speech in and of itself. I'm not the type of person that's going to start crying when someone uses the word PIED. I find that utterly ridiculous to be honest. What I am bothered by is proper grammar. If swear words are used in a grammatically correct sentence, I've no issue with it. But simply being offended by the use of a word is laughable. I do agree that a certain level of professionalism should be displayed in written materials unless of course there's a common light-hearted theme throughout. I hope you guys aren't that uptight. Loosen that belt. Warspite1 Not sure anyone was "crying" about it. Three or four people were merely expressing a view; lamenting the fact that standards are in decline. There are a number of measures by which standards can be seen to be in decline; bad language, lazy speech, lack of manners, lack of civility, lack of respect are perhaps chief amongst them. Frankly I find strange the fact that you think the following scenario is okay; namely, if I am sitting on a train with my two young children and a group of people opposite are talking about the night before and the fact that they got S* faced, W*ered, and at the end of the evening had a fight with a load of *, then thats perfectly okay so long as the sentences that contain the profanity are perfectly formed and gramatically correct [8\|] I have no problem with bad language in itself - indeed there are times when only a really well placed use of a four letter word really hits the spot. But like everything there is a time and a place; a computer game manual, read by children, is not the correct place in my opinion. Its just an opinion - but to suggest that anyone holding it is ridiculous, uptight, or someone to be laughed at is a bit of a shame. Warspite1 and JudgeDredd, I have no children. Perhaps this is why you're a bit more sensitive to the issue of swearing. I don't swear in front of kids, because I think it's in bad taste. I do slip once in a while, but try to catch myself when I can. It's just common sense to hold your tongue in certain circumstances. Warspite1, Don't put words in my mouth. I did not say the scenario you so eloquently described was okay. As a matter of fact, I never brought up kids at all. I'm talking about adult language spoken by adults with tact taken into consideration. But I DO find it rather ridiculous and uptight that an adult would find certain words offensive or insulting by themselves. After all, words alone mean nothing--It's the context with which they're used. But I see your issue with it. Since I don't have children, I don't think about some of these things. Please accept my apology if I pied you off. :)

warspite1 -> RE: Standards (9/22/2010 8:02:03 PM)
[/quote] Please accept my apology if I pied you off. :) [/quote] Warspite1 Knavery, apology accepted [8D] Now P* off [;)][:)]

Knavery -> RE: Standards (9/22/2010 8:19:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: warspite1 Please accept my apology if I pied you off. :) Warspite1 Knavery, apology accepted [8D] Now P* off [;)][:)] Hehe... See that's the kind of thing I like to see. Good light-hearted fun.

diablo1 -> RE: Civ 5 Manual (9/23/2010 1:18:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wodin I play and throw away cos 99.9999999999999999999999% of games have NO lasting appeal.....I certainly wont be playing any games on my hard drive in 20 years anyway...granted there are time si wiosh I could play a game I have ditched BUT I'm sure if I installed it again it wouldn't stay on my hard drive there was a reason it left in the first place... Well I guess you never played Master of Magic and wanted to play it again? Let's see how about Alpha Centauri? You never want to play that again? Oh wait you don't like civilization games as I recall? So you're telling me you're going to toss BftB away an $80 game and have no interest in playing it 20 years from now? I have a laptop full of old DOS games I play and some are 20 years old or near abouts. Renegade Legion Interceptor is still one of the best tactical space fighter games around. And let's not forget all of Matrixgames titles that will still be being played and sold (hopefully) 20 years from now. What about Steel Panthers? Don't tell me you've taken that one off your hard drive? Combat Missions? Lord I hope someone shoots me if I ever remove those from my hard drive. There's plenty of games already 10 years old that are still great today. Many 15 to 20 years old as well. Come on guys tell him all the old games you still play (if your computer will let you) that are older than dirt!

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