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princep01 -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (2/27/2011 6:39:58 PM)

Well, if nothing else, the destruction of the AOs is certainly enriching the discussion in what is sure to be a great AAR. My guess is that Lexington not only scored a nice coup, but will live to tell the story. Good luck, Canoe. (I'm NOT reading Chez's AAR, so all "predictions" on my part are not based on any knowledge of what he intends)




crsutton -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (2/27/2011 8:54:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nemo121

Cap,

Aye, you are right about the possibility of changing playing styles... I suppose my view is that someone who doesn't have the guile to disguise their play style early on is hardly likely to make a successful change later on. Not always true of course but a good rule of thumb IMO.

Desicat,
Aye, but sometimes it is no harm to look deeper so that you can tell if it is more than a cigar.

The thing about habits is that if you aren't used to looking deeper then you don't do so as a habit and so you only ever see the surface of the thing, blind to what may lie underneath. If you are alive to the possibility that there is more then you can still look beneath the surface, see nothing and say, "It is what it seems." whilst also being certain not to be caught out if it is not what it seems.

You don't spot traps unless you check for them. I'm not sure they were being checked for here, hence I spoke.



"Bluff early and get caught." Amarillo Slim Preston




desicat -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (2/27/2011 11:14:23 PM)

All this deep double thinking reminds me of something, hopefully CR doesn't fall for one of the 'Classic Blunders' and go all in in China!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQNHBUqfLnM




Cribtop -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (2/27/2011 11:34:08 PM)

I concur with John 3rd that a large portion of the value of this move is how much it goes against CR's conservative play vs Q-Ball in his last game. Thus, Chez will be uncertain whether CR plans a more aggressive style in this game or not. That combined with the material impact of the loss of the AOs will work to slow down and worry Chez. He'll be thinking "what if" more often, which is good.




John 3rd -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (2/28/2011 3:04:31 AM)

It was very daring an totally unpredictable. LIKED IT A LOT!




Canoerebel -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (2/28/2011 3:48:28 PM)

I thought I had attached the turn with my last email to Steve, so while he was awaiting a turn from me, I was awaiting one from him. Oops, that cost us a day.

Meanwhile, prompted by Nemo's insight into possible traps, I went back to check the last sighting of the KB (near French Frigate, on the day I ordered Lex to steam north) and found...just four IJN carriers in the mouse-over. Two are not accounted for! Might Steve have detached two and sent them north to ambush Lex? I might find out next turn. If Lex survives next turn, I'll have to be careful to shield Lex using those NoPac DDs.

Meanwhile, in a possible counter-counter-move arrangement, Saratoga is now in NoPac...so there's a chance she and Lex could rendezvous to deal with two raiding IJN carriers, if any there are!

I don't know what's going on!




Cribtop -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (2/28/2011 7:00:21 PM)

Perhaps he just detached Shokaku to head for port given her torp damage. You shouldn't count on such a benign reason, but it's possible.




paullus99 -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (2/28/2011 8:33:30 PM)

Waste of resources if he just rushes into the Northern Pacific to chase a single American carrier. I'd be afraid you'd have another trick up your sleeve (and god knows, die rolls can kill you) - and why put two carriers at risk. He may have split them off to support CENTPAC invasions or perhaps sent them South to deal with your interuptions at Talugi & Rabaul - so I wouldn't be too worries.




Canoerebel -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (2/28/2011 8:47:12 PM)

12/11/41

NoPac: It's been a LONG time since I've used "max" speed over any distance, but Lex hoofted it to within seven hexes of Dutch Harbor. That's moving! She suffered only very slight wear-and-tear. She'll proceed to a point NE of DH tomorrow. By then, she'll be behind the flanker DDs, so one more day and I think Lex will be safe. Not to mention that Saratoga could probably meet up with her in two days if needed.

Borneo: That large IJ amphibious force that I thought might be making for Mersing or possibly Palembang (which wouldn't make sense this early, I realize) is two hexes from Singkawang, which makes alot of sense. Force Z (PofW, Repulse, Danae, Dragon, Durban, Mauritius, Boise, and eight DD) are just a hex away. I've posted five fighter units at Singkawang and Kuching, and Force Z will take position at the former. I don't think Steve has any carrier cover to speak of, and I think he's a bit too far forward at this point. The Mini-KB, meanwhile, is in the Celebes Sea about three hexes SE of Jolo, which just fell to the Japanese.

Sumatra: The Allies have 87 AV at Palembang. Two more patrol squadrons are joining the airlift. I have troops coming from Borneo, Java, Malaya, and Sumatra. It's fun! (I just hope it proves effective; and I wished I had started on turn one...)

Miscellaneous: Japanese combat TFs, subs, and aircraft have been picking off fleeing Allied ships from near Tori Shima all the way to near Java. Nothing out of the ordinary, here, so I haven't commented much, but for the record should clarify that Steve has been doing a good job. Houston, however, is north of Marcus and probably will make good her escape to the Aleutian zone.




paullus99 -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (2/28/2011 9:07:56 PM)

I hope those guys don't freeze to death up there - that's a pretty good run from where they started!




Cribtop -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (2/28/2011 11:18:10 PM)

I think you're about to hurt him near Sinkawang. Fingers crossed!




Wild -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/1/2011 4:46:41 AM)

Goodluck Canoerebel.

I just noticed this AAR. If it is half as good as your others, we are all in for quite a treat.




Canoerebel -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/1/2011 2:28:21 PM)

12/12/42

The Allies pushed all the right buttons again today, though it wasn't without cost, and without causing (actually adding to) some concerns Steve has about my game play thus far.

Singkawang: Apparently, Steve had a big invasion TF coming to this base accompanied by a two-BB combat TF (that included Kongo). However, the invasion transports tangled with Force Z first (something many of us have dealt with so that we are careful to have amphibious TFs following the combat TF). Force Z savaged the transports and escorts, sinking a CL, DD, AMC, and perhaps five to seven transports and small escorts, this at the cost of CL Durban and serious damage to CL Mauritius. Both TFs retired (so the invasion was scrubbed, at least temporarily). Then came the Kongo group, which sank DD Thanet. Later in the day, a mass of Japanese LBA (from either Kuantan or Kota Bharu, I'm thinking) put single torps into BC Repulse and BB Prince of Wales. So, this was by and large a successful but relatively costly day for the Allies, especially when you consider that most of Force Z may have to retire now to repair yards, leaving the defense of the DEI to mainly CLs.

Babeldaoab: I had a small CL/DD force based at Sorong, partly because it was east of any carrier threats, and partly in hopes of striking some unprotected shipping. Two days ago, I ordered this TF to make for Babeldoab along a safe, v-shaped course to the east. It arrived today and just ate up a Japanese troop TF, sinking 5 xAK, 3 xAKL, two PB, and a CM. 22 combat squads were destroyed, 193 non-combat (ouch!), and 343 vehicles (ouch!). The Allied TF got away scot-free. But Kates from Babeldoab clobbered several "forlorn hope" ships fleeing east from Manila. (Steve might think I had orchestrated these ships to soak off enemy attacks, but that wasn't the case. These ships had departed Manila and other ports a week ago. I try to give them good routes,, but sometimes they stumble into LBA).

Rabaul: For the second time in the game, an underprotected IJ amphbious force at Rabaul is savaged by Allied ships. After the first beating a few days ago, CA Louisville and CL Adelaide retired to Oz to re-arm. Today, CA Canberra, CL Perth, and DD Voyager arrived to find more juicy targets, promptly dispatching six xAKL and three xAK (no troop casualties, so they were either supply ships or empty).

Not an Unbroken Record of Success: The Allies lost a bunch of ships today, including a DD to a sub, a big AS near Singkawang, an AO near Babeldoab, and the usual batch of "forlorn hope" xAKLs.

Allied Successes: The Allies have acheived a rather remarkable string of successes in the game to date, some by pure luck and others by taking calculated risks. These include (1) damaging some transports invading Luzon on day one or two (nothing but luck here); (2) RAF damaging unprotected ships near Kuantan (luck mixed with Steve's failure to have CAP set up); (3) Lexington strike vs. oilers (this was a good calculated risk); (4) first clash at Rabaul (pure luck; I had no idea the enemy was on the way, but Japan needs escorts that far forward); (5) clash at Tulagi (same thing); (6) Singkwang (calculated risk that is by no means a lopsided Allied victory); (7) Babeldaob (calculated risk and what's Japan doing leaving a big port undefended?); and (8) second clash at Rabaul (calculated risk, but what's Japan doing coming back without adequate escort a second time?).

Allied Failures/Japan Successes: (1) Pearl Harbor strike is fairly effective in hitting all Allied BBs pretty hard; (2) Allies (me) really screws up and gets moderately damaged West Virginia sunk; (3) Steve has done a fine job in hammering the "forlorn hopes" fleeing from Hong Kong, Luzon, etc.; and (4) opening turn port strikes at Rangoon and Hong Kong damage or sink alot more Allied ships.

Steve's Concerns: He voiced concern about two moves in particular: the Allied ships sunk fairly close to Japan and the CL/DD raid on Babeldaob. I wrote back that the former were cases of "forlorn hopes" fleeing to the east and that I've had good luck following this strategy in the past. In fact, it has traditionally been my optimum route of escape. Steve's done a more effective job at hitting ships fleeing this way, but even now CA Houston is well north of Marcus and almost a sure thing to make the Aleutians. As for Babeldaob and my CL/DD raid, I knew exactly where his carriers were, so I felt the risk was pretty small as indeed proved to be the casel.

Of course, it's easy for me to see things from my perspective. And even you guys, who are reading an account in an AAR written from my point of view, may be more likely to see things my way. But I want to try to see things from Steve's perspective in case I have strayed from the bounds of reason. Steve's a good guy and a long-timer, so I don't need to dismiss his concerns without giving them careful consideration.

P.S. He's out today, so we won't complete this turn until tomorrow (he only sent the combat report and combat turn, and so far I've only just scanned the report).




John 3rd -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/1/2011 3:23:27 PM)

Well done all the way around. You have done what many Allied players don't--inflicted real casualties and upset the Japanese timetable for the DEI. Couple this to Lex's success and your opponent is probably pulling his hair out.

PS Everything you use "Forlorn Hopes" it makes me smile Dan!




JohnDillworth -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/1/2011 3:56:59 PM)

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Forlorn Hopes

Might be a good rename for one of the Essex's[:D]




crsutton -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/1/2011 4:42:45 PM)

It looks like Steve's biggest mistake is lack of escort. He needs to pay attention to this as Japan has plenty of warships at this point. Even a small escort can deflect the hit on transports.

It seemed like to me that in the old WITP many times a small escort would screen AKs and APs-taking a big hit in the escorts while allowing the transports a chance to scatter and get away. This seems to be totally missing in AE. The surface stuff in AE is overdone a bit and surface forces have way to much of an effect ( most seem to like it). However, too many transport TFs are getting slaughtered for my tastes-even those with sufficient escort. It happened a few times early in the war and the Allies had a scare at Leyte Gulf but this kind of crap just never really happened.

I wonder the impact this stuff will have late in the campaigns when the Allied player will just have a gazillion DDs to use for raiding.




Cribtop -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/1/2011 5:59:55 PM)

I would respond (charitably) that your opponent has been sloppy and in too much of a hurry. He has paid the price by not protecting major ports and invasion TFs. He is probably so mentally focused on his Phase 2 objectives that he's bungling Phase 1.

As for raiding Babel, it seems reasonable to me. Players regularly send CL, DD and even CA into the enemy LBA or CV umbrella to perform hit and run raids. PzB for example is working this strat almost to perfection in his AAR.

Would the Allies have fled the PI heading East instead of South? Probably not, but then again they probably didn't flee much further south of Balikpapan at all because IRL that was the ABDA line where they planned to stop Japan (ha, ha). We players know it can't be done and so flee in droves. It's hard to require the Allied player to try to constrain his moves to the historical plan when we all know it couldn't work.

Finally, I have seen messages that ships are fleeing and convoys scattering in AE. I think the big difference is that often in AE the ships of an invasion fleet or a fleet in port spend time getting underway and thus get caught. Hard to say whether it's too lethal. When the Japanese were invading there wasn't much to oppose them and the Allies IRL took far fewer risks than most players do. There is Taffy 3 but IMHO the IJN admiral well and truly borked things that day.

Finally, remember I give these comments as a confirmed JFB.




hkbhsi -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/1/2011 6:28:47 PM)

Canoerebel,
first off let me tell you that I am avid reader of your AARs even if I do not usually post much on the Forums.

As a Japan player exclusively, I agree that your opponent has been sloppy so far and he could have avoided most of the defeats that he suffered; therefore your tactics are not gamey at all IMHO.

Having said that there is one thing that is a little disturbing as a JFB and that is the concept of Fortress Palembang. I am not against the idea of the Allied player defending the DEI (a la Nemo), but I think this is not the cause. In fact your plan is not to defend the DEI at all costs because you see them as a vital area (as you will probably not risk your CVs or BBs to do it), but the idea is to concentrate everything you can spare at Palembang knowing that doing so will cause severe damage to the installation and cripple Japan for the entire game; therefore I consider it borderline gamey.

Since English is not my native language, I really hope that my choice of words does not sound harsh, as this is not my intention at all.

Good luck for your game as I look forward to read more enterteining parts of your AAR.

Alex.  

   




Canoerebel -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/1/2011 7:20:17 PM)

Alex, thanks for posting and sharing your concern.

That hadn't even occurred to me. My intent hasn't been to see my "engineers" destroy the infastructure as the base falls. My intent is purely tactical - to hold Palembang as long as possible. But I can see where such a defense might result in great strategic damage if my engineers blow all the oil wells etc. Nemo didn't have to contend with that issue because he never gave up Palembang. But it's almost certainly an issue in my game and I agree that it could be a severe strain on the game engine and game balance.

Do others agree?

When Steve finally arrives at Palembang, could I suggest that once it becomes clear that Palembang is going to fall, that Steve give me a day or two to withraw my army to the east on that good road, and that I agree to just leave my army there for him to destroy? It might be a bit tough to determine exactly when the city is going to fall, if he arrives without overwhelming force and then adds to it over time, but I think that is one solution?

Are there others out there? Or should I simply avoid "Fortress Palembang"?




witpqs -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/1/2011 7:24:57 PM)

I'm reading both AAR's so I am very limited in any posts I make to each.

I think the biggest issue is the inevitable hindsight. IJ players have it, the Japanese didn't. Allied players have it, the Allies didn't. Most of what is being discussed as possible complaints seem like they can reasonably be characterized as the Allied player seeking to take advantage of hindsight and the IJ player's use of hindsight. That last part is the are crux of it, I think.

As an important disclaimer, I am not saying that each issue brought up shouldn't be looked at, or that it's all a bag of the same apples. I am saying that looking at the issues in light of the above observation puts a bit more perspective on things.

One specific comment: As far as the carrier catching the AO TF goes, What game turn was that? If it was turn 2 then I would say maybe a bit too much. But it wasn't. It was long enough after game start that if he caught your carriers no one could rightly call it 'carrier hunting' in the gamey sense, instead they would have said "shame on you not getting your carriers out of there!" Likewise, there was plenty of time for him to have that AO TF someplace else.

The fortress Palembang thing is really of the same ilk, it's a matter of whether you consider it too much use of hindsight. The Dutch did implement 'scorched earth' policy, they just didn't do too terribly well at destroying oil facilities.

The real problem with Fortress Palembang is the supply production there. It's intended to represent POL products (Petroleum-Oil-Lubricant) which is realistic, but in the game supply is supply so things there get unrealistic. Treespider, vettim89, JWE and others are looking at this problem over in the scenarios sub-forum.




witpqs -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/1/2011 7:27:21 PM)

Part of my last post might have been unclear. The unclear part is that I mean the Allied player is (in part) taking advantage of the fact the the IJ player is using hindsight. If Chez were as careful as the IJ, CR could not do that.




hkbhsi -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/1/2011 7:46:38 PM)

Canoerebel,
sorry if I misunderstood your plan. If the idea is to deny use of Palembang to the Empire for as long as possible, that is a very realistic and legitimate goal for the Allied player.

Noneteheless, the only problem is related to the game engine as damage to the facilities can randomly change from almost nothing to utter destruction, with the latter probability higher if prolonged combat and a great number of engineers are involved.

As I usually play scenario 1, I know for sure that if you capture a totally wrecked Palembang the game is over at that point, as you do not have the resources to run Japan economy in a competitve way. I am not sure about scenario 2 but I think that, in the long run, it will be the case anyway.

I am only saying this because if the worst possible scenario happens to your opponent, I fear that the game might end up not as enjoyable as you would like, especially since you have already caused him a lot of damage with great gameplay.

Cheers

Alex.








paullus99 -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/1/2011 7:49:16 PM)

The whole point of holding at Palembang is to deny the Japanese the vital resources/production as long as possible - every additional day is a victory for the Allies. Historically, if things had gone a little differently, the Dutch would have torched everything & the Japanese would be in the same situation.

You are playing a scenario where your opponent gets additional war resources - to the point where AutoVictory is entirely possible & perhaps probable in the right situation. I don't think Fortress Palembang is a problem - you're already in the hole as it is, though your opponent is making some pretty telling mistakes that could make the next few months very, very interesting.




SuluSea -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/1/2011 8:42:04 PM)

There's nothing gamey at all about reinforcing Palembang. Both sides know the value of the place in this game , if the opposition forgoes the place till a later date to attack other areas it's his own fault.  Being a plus 3 defensive area makes it one of the better places to make a stand in the DEI.








JohnDillworth -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/1/2011 8:45:07 PM)

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There's nothing gamey at all about reinforcing Palembang. Both sides know the value of the place in this game , if the opposition forgoes the place till a later date to attack other areas it's his own fault. Being a plus 3 defensive area makes it one of the better places to make a stand in the DEI.

This is tough for the Allies to hold vs the AI. Wouldn't want to hold against a human player. Especially not in scenario 2




paullus99 -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/2/2011 12:12:31 AM)

Nemo did a pretty darn good job. I would go back and re-read his AAR. Lots of good pointers.




bradfordkay -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/2/2011 6:10:26 AM)

"Steve's Concerns: He voiced concern about two moves in particular: the Allied ships sunk fairly close to Japan and the CL/DD raid on Babeldaob. I wrote back that the former were cases of "forlorn hopes" fleeing to the east and that I've had good luck following this strategy in the past. In fact, it has traditionally been my optimum route of escape. Steve's done a more effective job at hitting ships fleeing this way, but even now CA Houston is well north of Marcus and almost a sure thing to make the Aleutians. As for Babeldaob and my CL/DD raid, I knew exactly where his carriers were, so I felt the risk was pretty small as indeed proved to be the casel."

Dan, I think that part of this comes from his having become so used to my style of play. I am a great deal more conservative than you and he is having to adjust to your style. I can see the concern with the idea of trying to escape the Philippines by running towards Japan. It is hard to believe that many ship's captains would have considered that to be a safe route in the early months of the war. I did have a couple of my freighters escape between Palau and Guam, heading thence towards Midway and PH so I can sympathize to some extent...

BTW: that's a pretty ballsy move sending the Houston towards the Aleutians. I would be afraid of her running into a KB returning to Japan from the PH attack...

The second situation I think derives from a house rule Steve and I had in our CHS game: no naval bombardments outside of LBA range (unless within range of a carrier's aircraft). This was a rule based upon the "nuclear" bombardment issue in the original WITP. We surmised that it would be unlikely that a navy would risk capital ships in an unprotected attack on an enemy airbase (at least after the Force Z debacle). So now he is having to adjust to someone who isn't constrained by this rule. Strangely, our present PBEM has almost no house rules but we both seem to be following the old ones for the main part.

This was his comment on house rules for our AE game:
"We both know the manner of play of the other and certainly neither one of us are rule stretchers so I'm not really seeing a need for new HRs (or old ones for that matter). If something comes up in the game, we can discuss it and then we'll simply do what I think is best. Sound good? <g>"

So, anyway, keep in mind that he is having to adjust between playing against two different styles of play. If you are willing to discuss things I doubt that y'all will have many problems in the long run - you just need to get used to each others thoughts on game play.




Canoerebel -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/2/2011 12:56:59 PM)

Received a good email from Steve this morning. He's had time to mull things over and I don't think he has any real problems with Allied moves thus far, other than the fact that the Allies have been quite lucky in several instances, and successful beyond their best dreams, in several others. It's tough for any of us to maintain good morale under an week-long onslaught.

Brad, I think you're right.

Just to clarify one point: the raid on Babeldaob wasn't a bombardment mission. It was just a one-CL, five-DD combat TF based out of Sorong looking for unprotected targets.

As for the dispersion of vulnerable merchant shipping, look at it this way. Japan knows exactly what's going to happen. Steve has had scattered two-DD TFs set to patrol picking off ships right and left. He also got "surprise" first turn attacks on Hong Kong, Manila, and Rangoon. Arguably, the Allies at those ports already knew about Pearl Harbor at least six hours ahead of time and could have begun to disperse. Anyhow, he's armed with foreknowledge and so am I, so I send perhaps 15% of my ships east and northeast, bound for Rabaul, Midway, and the Aleutians. I've had good success with this in the past. This is my second consecutive game in which Houston has followed that path.




Canoerebel -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/2/2011 3:27:25 PM)

I just had a chance to go through the turn file, finding out more about what happened on 12/12. It was a very good day for the Allies, but still very costly (as noted previously).

Singkawang: While doing very good work, Force Z was roughed up a bit, with the BB, BC, and most of the CLs in need of repair yard work (damage mainly in the teens and 20s). That means the Allies have "shot their wad" in the DEI. All I will have left will be a few CL/DD TFs, subs, and aircraft to slow the Japanese. I may try to send some more RN ships from India and/or RAN ships from Oz. I don't see any reason that Steve can't resume his invasion tomorrow, with Singkawang falling within days. That will put a big bulge in the "safe" buffer zone.

Palembang: AV rose from 87 to 109. At least one unit of 40 AV will arrive by land in less than a week, so I think the Allied AV here will be more than 250 within a week. Thanks for all the comments, gents, as to the "fairness" of this move. In creating "Fortress Palembang," I don't want to accidentally trigger some weird game-engine oddity that wreaks havoc on IJ oil production when the base falls. If that happens, or if Steve is concerend about the possiblity, I will suggest some kind of work-around like I mentioned yesterday. I give all due credit to Nemo for suggesting this move (and for apparently coming up with it and implementing it successfully in his game). I prefer sticking to my own notions in AE, but in this instance I just had to yield to the fact that defending Palembang makes much more sense than Singapore, Batavia or Soerabaja. So whatever success results is all courtesy of Nemo.

Babeldoab: The Dutch TF did great work here and emerges unscathed. It will be one of two CL/DD forces (the other is currently at Ambon) remaining in the DEI. I don't know where this IJ troop convoy was heading, but Steve will need to find replacements (the transports were running very heavy on support personnel, so it wasn't an invasion force).

Rabaul: The Australian Navy did great work here, but is very low on ammo. The Louisville TF that did good work last week is retiring to Brisbane to re-supply. SigInt says IJA 144th Regiment has been diverted from Guam and is aboard a Maru bound for Rabaul. That makes sense. I won't have cruisers back up this way for at least a week, and I bet Steve brings a stout force of his own when he returns.

American Carriers: Lex is NE of Dutch Harbor, inside a picket line, and bound for Kodiak, where she'll be joined by Saratoga. Enterprise is mulling around well to the south of Pearl, awaiting an AO TF before steaming for southern zones. My early plans for my carriers are to keep them separated and to look for opportunities to punish vulnerable IJ shipping in places where the KB aint. Saratoga will probably remain in the Aleutians to handle defense of that area until late winter. Lex may retire to Seattle or Alameda to repair the light damage incurred during her high-speed run. Ent may patrol somewhere not too far from the Baker Island/Tabituea/Ocean Island areas.




Cribtop -> RE: Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! (3/2/2011 3:54:25 PM)

Man, who are you and what have you done with Canoe "Hide my CVs in Cape Town" Rebel? [:D]




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