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Reconvet -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/22/2011 9:25:06 PM)


Of course ACR can nibble away some red units near Narva river, but if he really wants to threaten the big price he has to get rolling past novgorod, not vectoring useful units away from where they should make an impact. Losing another turn for destroying maybe 6 divisions in the next two turns seems like a bad tradeoff to me. Time until mud is ticking...




Encircled -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/22/2011 9:26:05 PM)

With the way that TD attacks, maybe thats just what he wants?




Q-Ball -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/22/2011 10:07:52 PM)

The risk of those units along the west end of the Luga being cut-off are real. They are hanging out too far.

But 1 turn? No way, on several levels.

First, there are no Panzers up there. They have to cross enemy controlled hexes just to get there.

Next, they need to move or blow away 6 units along the Luga, to free-up enough ZOCs to move fast.

Then, they need to take care of that Rifle unit on top of that Hill

THEN, if you have any MPs left after moving over a river, through 6 enemy controlled hexes, and making at least 7 attacks, you need to attack and take the Fortified Zones adjacent to Leningrad.

There is no way.



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/22/2011 10:25:19 PM)

I see everyone is talking about Leningrad [:)]

I guess Sabre was not thinking about the next turn. But if my estimated e-enemy's infantry was along the Luga River or pretty close (let's say 2 hexes) then I guess he might be totally correct. I have sent the same rifle divisions to the hexes along the coast with only Fortified Regions. I simply did not think they could be attacked on next turn. And of course that could be a wrong and very dangerous assumption!

But what about Moscow? The panzers in the Valdai Hills area supposed to be the hypothetical right hook. But... yesterday night I was looking at the map and then saw... MOSCOW was relatively close! [X(] And only one army was between the panzers and my objective NUMBER ONE! [sm=00000018.gif]

In other words, I am going to reinforce this part. If I see this threat is only a product of my imagination, I will send these forces elsewhere: Leningrad or the south.

The Center will be rather weak (it has been my "fortress" since the start of the game) but there's only enemy infantry there. Keeping lots of troops there is idiotic. I want to put them to good use where they might make a difference, where the enemy is really dangerous.

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/22/2011 10:48:32 PM)

Ok, I have changed some things in Leningrad area. The weak spot along the coast has been reinforced (now there is FR + 1 Rifle Division). This also means I have pulled back most of the units near Narva River (only one rifle division stays there to sort of slow the enemy infantry down) and reinforced the hexes between the enemy and the forts along the coast [;)]

Anyway, in theory 2ndACR will be charging like a bull in the center: NW, NE or E direction? [:D] We will see.

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/22/2011 11:01:40 PM)

And now the Air War [8D]

As I said I will be attacking the enemy panzers en masse. I brought Mig-3s, Yak-1s and IL-2s [:)]

As for a top ace boss, I have been lucky. The best air commander is ALREADY in charge of the Northern Air Command aka the HQ that is supposed to support the operations of Zhukov's Northern Front armies: Rokossovski, Tolbukhin and Vatutin. So I don't need to kick an incompetent out and bring a good substitute.

I will possibly be rotating the units. After each turn, I will possibly send the most depleted unit to the national reserve and bring more cannon fodder.

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timmyab -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/22/2011 11:01:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus
Anyway, in theory 2ndACR will be charging like a bull in the center: NW, NE or E direction? [:D] We will see.

Actually I think that 2ndACR's best plan here is to redeploy his Northern panzer army somewhere else while there's still time to do something usefull with it.Leave the infantry to chew through that lot.



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/22/2011 11:03:30 PM)

Oh, and of course I have bought flak units for this Air Command HQ [8D]

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/22/2011 11:08:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: timmyab


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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus
Anyway, in theory 2ndACR will be charging like a bull in the center: NW, NE or E direction? [:D] We will see.

Actually I think that 2ndACR's best plan here is to redeploy his Northern panzer army somewhere else while there's still time to do something usefull with it.Leave the infantry to chew through that lot.


We will see. 2ndACR might surprise everyone and have a cunning plan [8D] I say he will be charging like a bull [:D]



Mynok -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/22/2011 11:19:04 PM)


This will be interesting. [sm=00000613.gif]



Pipewrench -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/22/2011 11:23:46 PM)

fantastic aar tullius , that little map around Leningrad you thru out as eye candy has given me a cavity.

lets see what he does....



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/22/2011 11:40:12 PM)

Thanks, pipewrench [:)] This game is indeed a lot of fun.

So, right hook or Moscow? To sort of prevent a right hook I am defending in depth. Let's see what happens here [8D]

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/22/2011 11:55:21 PM)

Ok, to protect Moscow in total I brought 17 divisions.

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/23/2011 12:04:55 AM)

As you can see, in the Kalinin Front I have little to fear. I could even divert perhaps 3 or 4 divisions [:)]

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/23/2011 12:09:17 AM)

The Western Front now is not massive at all. I think I could still divert divisions here. I have been counter-attacking many times on the last 3 turns. On this one, 2 infantry divisions (same hex) were forced to retreat. Little to fear. Panzers are the deal... But infantry alone [sm=00000622.gif]

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/23/2011 12:35:56 AM)

In the Southwest I let him do... I attacked a panzer division which was forced to retreat. I am concentrating some forces east of the screenshot (Voronezh). Depending on the situation in the north on the next turns I might be sending maybe 15 divisions here.

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/23/2011 12:49:49 AM)

And more Southwest. His panzers keep moving. For all I care they could go to Vladivostok [:D] I am evacuating industry. He will trap maximum 10% or 15% of my industry here.

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/23/2011 12:58:21 AM)

I have sent 5 more divisions from the Kalinin, Western and Bryansk Fronts, NE of the Valdai Hills... that right hook... buildup thing...



randallw -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/23/2011 3:12:13 AM)

You might need a few more divisions for the Leningrad area.

Just kidding! [:D]



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/23/2011 3:19:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: randallw

You might need a few more divisions for the Leningrad area.

Just kidding! [:D]



I think it's enough [:D] But I would be much more happy if I could send let's say 30 divisions to protect the Volkhov from a right hook thing. And 40 divisions to contain the panzers in the south [:D] And and and...



Pipewrench -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/23/2011 4:22:42 AM)

man oh man if you can somehow direct his advance towards stalino and preserve or even extend that flank he faces in the winter it could lead to an interesting blizzard.

Unfortunatly he has to attack Smolensk now and straighten his lines.

Remember only the finest caviar for the resting cavalry and all the vodka for the happy airborne.



76mm -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/23/2011 4:52:31 AM)

You are in great shape. He is so screwed during the blizzard. As soon as the mud hits, I would start gathering your cav divisions, so you can form plenty of cav corps prior to the blizzard.



randallw -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/23/2011 5:35:18 AM)

The blizzard pretty much begins in December, so it's doubtful that all the cav corps will be formed and ready to go.





76mm -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/23/2011 8:16:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: randallw

The blizzard pretty much begins in December, so it's doubtful that all the cav corps will be formed and ready to go.


I meant to gather up his existing cav divisions so that he can form some cav corps right away--my cav divisions were scattered hither and yon all over the front, so it has been difficult to gather them up. Also, he should form new cav divisions as soon as their cost drops from 40 to 20, they should be ready to go about the time that some holes have been punched during the blizzard.



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/26/2011 2:54:05 PM)

Turn 12

4 september 1941


Looks like I was correct, 2ndACR is charging like a bull in the center (in Leningrad area) [:D] And I am starting to think that there will not be right hook. Not a push towards Moscow either from the Valdai Hills.

Maybe my other game has saved me after all... On that game I attacked the right flank of the advancing AGN and the operation ended with the destruction of many AGN divisions (including the 100% of the panzers and motorized divisions). SO maybe all 2ndACR is doing (unlike my first opponent) is simply protecting that right flank... with panzers. And that's of course excellent news. Panzers don't move (static defence) = no threat at all. Infantry should do that job methinks. And of course 2ndACR read my other AAR.

In the center, I remember I said my big objective was holding Smolensk until turn 13. The truth is I could hold the city maybe 4 or 5 more turns. And Vitebsk hasn't been captured yet [&:]

He is concentrating his forces in the north and south, avoiding the center. But as pipewrench said, his front line will be more long if he keeps advancing in the south and avoids this place.

And when I look at the south of the map, I see an empty place. I mean, his panzers are in the middle of nowhere. They are not even destroying the Red Army here (tank country).

And I suspect that my big push during the blizzard will be in this place. In other words, my main attack will possibly be in the place where I was very weak during the Blitzkrieg [;)]



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/26/2011 3:00:20 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pipewrench

man oh man if you can somehow direct his advance towards stalino and preserve or even extend that flank he faces in the winter it could lead to an interesting blizzard.


I don't know how I could be doing that [:)] I guess weakening the southern part of this front and strenghtening the northern part [:)]

As for the cavalry, yes, I guess I will be forming corps.





TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/26/2011 5:03:05 PM)

Ok, the reorganization in Leningrad area is almost 100% done [8D] Behind the 3 armies defending the city (Leningrad HQ) I have assigned the units to the Stavka armies 52 and 49: they have RR brigades.

The thing is the enemy infantry isn't close to the AGN panzers yet. Maybe they will try a small encirclement: towards the NW or Novgorod. In fact he's got infantry divisions fighting around Lake Ilmen. The "bait" has worked then, in theory: I want them to fight there, not along the Luga river.

I have launched air attacks against the panzers but the results are truly pathetic [:D]

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/26/2011 5:19:17 PM)

Around Lake Ilmen his AGN infantry is clearing the area. Good! [8D] They will need another turn so please, go ahead!

He has allowed me to cut his panzer spearhead off. As I said above, maybe all he wants is protecting his right flank (with panzers). Amusing [:)]

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/26/2011 5:24:54 PM)

I'm a moron! [:D] I should pay more attention! I can cut most of his AGC Northern Panzer Army armored hordes off! [sm=00000622.gif]

Which has been done! [8D]

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TulliusDetritus -> RE: Stalin's in the gulag - Tullius (Soviet) vs 2ndACR (Axis) (3/26/2011 5:50:21 PM)

Hmm, I think I could do a MASSIVE infiltration through the terrain I still control south of Lake Ilmen... but I guess I should not be taking a risk now... For sure I would scare him [:)]



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