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fiva55 -> RE: Turn 50: Massive tankbattles (4/29/2011 1:48:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aditia In my 43-45 PBEM most soviet breakthroughs happen because of the +1 modifier. Without it the soviets would have an impossible task trying to breach fortified river lines. That is assuming that I have divisions with reasonable strength available to guard a river line. Though admittedly, with the patch changes and the increased armaments pool, the +1 modifier might be more relevant in newly started 43-45 games. But I doubt that the Soviets need the extra +1 odds modifier to breach the lines in my game [:D].

squatter -> RE: Turn 50: Massive tankbattles (4/29/2011 2:12:29 PM)
Well, the last soviet attack you posted relied on the +1 modifier. Overkill is exactly what it is. Yes, the majority of Soviet attacks will be more than 1-1, but there will be some crucial moments if you ever try to create another pocket again in the next two years of fighting, where there'll be a hex you absolutely have to hold. But even sticking 3 x 10 CV panzers in that hex will not be enough, because its a relative cinch for the Soviets to muster 30CV on ANY hex on the map. If that was turned to 60CV, however, things would look a little different. At least the chance for pocketting counter attack would be there in 43-45.

hfarrish -> RE: Turn 50: Massive tankbattles (4/29/2011 3:09:32 PM)
quote: In my 43-45 PBEM most soviet breakthroughs happen because of the +1 modifier. Without it the soviets would have an impossible task trying to breach fortified river lines. For some reason there is a big difference between the 42 and 43 campaigns - I had the same experience as Fiva, where the German army nears a state of collapse and the vast majority of Soviet attacks get extremely good odds. Once you are forced out of the Level 4 fort line that was in place at the beginning of the scenario, it's all downhill as your collection of 1=1 units flee. I guess its also possible that the 42 campaign gives the Soviets more time to build an "ideal" army such that it is much more capable of breaking lines than the Soviet army in the same period of the 43 game (plus everything is activated by then, for the most part) Devs have said that there were some major armaments issues with the scenario that have been fixed and should allow the Germans to maintain the strength in their lines better. I had 900k men in the pool while my army dropped over the course of the summer from 3.5M to 2.5M or less (similar to what Fiva is seeing).

hfarrish -> RE: Turn 50: Massive tankbattles (4/29/2011 4:20:55 PM)
Also, I know the devs are aware of the issue of unbalanced late war combat (or at least, the inability of the Germans to launch effective counterattacks regardless of strength of forces)...hopefully the +1 odds modifier might come up as one path to resolving this to an extent.

Aditia -> RE: Turn 50: Massive tankbattles (4/29/2011 5:16:40 PM)
late war combat should be tough for the germans. How is attacking supposed to yield bigger losses for the defending russians? 0_o Attacking is inherently costly because you expose your troops. My main gripe with the v1.03 combat system is that russians do not suffer enough casualties when attacking forts (or the germans suffer too much when forced to retreat). I suspect this has a lot to do with the support unit bug, but still, german infantry in bunkers should be able to exact a bunch of heavy losses on assaulting russian infantry and not get annihilated when retreating. Retreat attrition should be based on competency of artillery, airforce and mechanized forces, but from the numbers I see the effect is roughly equal for both sides. Was Soviet organization of different arms really that effective? Anyway, the late war combat is a different issue from what 42-45 axis players are experiencing, namely a complete collapse caused by vagueries in the production system.

hfarrish -> RE: Turn 50: Massive tankbattles (4/29/2011 6:23:04 PM)
Broadly speaking I agree (and I also agree that the collapse is a separate issue from the counterattacking issue) - but a successful attack by massed panzer against an infantry corps not dug in should not be virtually guaranteed to result in a 1:1 loss ratio, as the overrunning of enemy positions, artillery units and casualties along the retreat should create a ton of casualties for the defender. As things work now, you are insane to ever attack infantry with your panzers in late war, which doesn't seem quite right.

fiva55 -> Turn 59 overview (4/29/2011 10:49:00 PM)
BEGIN TURN 59 8/7/1943 OKH RECEIVED REPORTS SUMMARY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AXIS OOB Men: 2.254.503 Guns: 17.412 AFV: 3.473 Air: 1.840 SOVIET OOB Men: 6.253.754 Guns: 104.496 AFV: 9.319 Air: 14.761 AXIS LOSSES Men: 2.474.157 Guns: 39.523 AFV: 8.001 Air: 5.522 SOVIET LOSSES Men: 6.162.203 Guns: 111.577 AFV: 25.295 Air: 32.928 SOVIET ATTACKS RESULTS 06 held 09 retreated 35 AF bombed PRODUCTION Manpower pool: 551.577 Armaments pool: 0 Rifle Squads: Rdy 18.410/Dam 577 EVENT LOG Refit/replacements segment: 79.040 men were added to Germany's front line units Unready units: 56 German units unready NOTABLE EVENTS Most our troops were able to pull back in good order, as can be seen by the low number of attacks. However, the presence of the later identified Soviet 1st Tank Army and 5th Guards Tank Army around Kursk meant that the organized retreat of Army Group A had to be delayed, or else risk getting overrun on open ground by the mass concentration of Soviet tanks. In order to rectify this, a plan was proposed. The first line of defence was intentionally weakened, in order to lure the 2 Soviet tank armies into action prematurely. Once the soviets took the bait, 2 German Panzer Corps would spring into action and force the Soviets into a tank battle, which at this stage of the war can still be won with good odds. Unfortunately, we underestimated the Soviet and overestimated our own strength...... [image]local://upfiles/37788/573D676BAA96474EB99576AEB6162752.jpg[/image] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mynok -> RE: Turn 50: Massive tankbattles (4/29/2011 11:03:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aditia late war combat should be tough for the germans. How is attacking supposed to yield bigger losses for the defending russians? 0_o Attacking is inherently costly because you expose your troops. My main gripe with the v1.03 combat system is that russians do not suffer enough casualties when attacking forts (or the germans suffer too much when forced to retreat). I suspect this has a lot to do with the support unit bug, but still, german infantry in bunkers should be able to exact a bunch of heavy losses on assaulting russian infantry and not get annihilated when retreating. Retreat attrition should be based on competency of artillery, airforce and mechanized forces, but from the numbers I see the effect is roughly equal for both sides. Was Soviet organization of different arms really that effective? Anyway, the late war combat is a different issue from what 42-45 axis players are experiencing, namely a complete collapse caused by vagueries in the production system. As I understand it from BigAnorak, the issue has to do with the Russians getting too much more than the Germans getting too little. The Russians have too many men too quickly and cause too many casualties too quickly. This is the problem. But I could be wrong.

hfarrish -> RE: Turn 50: Massive tankbattles (4/30/2011 12:35:57 AM)
Mynok - my sense of that - at least from my game - was that the Soviets may or may not get too much too fast (probably they do) but that the Germans seem unable, at least pre-1.04, to even put the men that they have into the line at any kind of meaningful rate.

Aditia -> RE: Turn 50: Massive tankbattles (4/30/2011 12:47:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mynok As I understand it from BigAnorak, the issue has to do with the Russians getting too much more than the Germans getting too little. The Russians have too many men too quickly and cause too many casualties too quickly. This is the problem. But I could be wrong. BigA's strategy revolved around creating a backup front behind the main front. IMO this strategy is inherently flawed as it facilitates the Soviet player to execute a lot of attacks, which is basically all he wants: a big pile of bodies. But let's stop hijacking this thread and discuss 43-45 in your thread or mine

Mynok -> RE: Turn 50: Massive tankbattles (4/30/2011 3:29:49 AM)
Agreed. I'll have an update to mine (long overdue) tomorrow night. Right now, I can't run fast enough. [:D]

fiva55 -> End of turn 59 Overview (5/1/2011 11:50:13 AM)
NOTABLE EVENTS III Panzer Corps and LVII Panzer Corps, composed out of 6 Panzer divisions and 2 Panzer Grenadier divisions, were tasked to break out their entrapped comrades. Their opponent consisted out of the outer ring, in the form of 1st Tank army, and the inner ring, formed by 5th Guards Tank army. The attack went well, and 1st Tank Army was brushed away with relative ease. 5th Guards Tank Army proved to be a more resilient opponent, but even they could not withstand the determined assault of the German attackers. Attack on the inner ring [image]http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/6723/battleresults.jpg[/image] In the end, a 20 miles gap was opened, allowing the entrapped Germans divisions to fight another day. End of turn: Anticipating a renewed assault next turn, the bulk of Germany's panzer forces has been redeployed in this sector. [IMG]http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1998/turn59end.jpg[/IMG]

fiva55 -> Turn 60 Overview (5/1/2011 12:04:35 PM)
BEGIN TURN 60 8/14/1943 OKH RECEIVED REPORTS SUMMARY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AXIS OOB Men: 2.244.244 Guns: 17.574 AFV: 3.367 Air: 1.690 SOVIET OOB Men: 6.239.665 Guns: 104.683 AFV: 9.247 Air: 15.065 AXIS LOSSES Men: 2.494.771 Guns: 39.926 AFV: 8.177 Air: 5.873 SOVIET LOSSES Men: 6.184.550 Guns: 112.432 AFV: 25.833 Air: 33.402 SOVIET ATTACKS RESULTS 04 held 12 retreated 21 AF bombed PRODUCTION Manpower pool: 538.653 Armaments pool: 0 Rifle Squads: Rdy 17.981/Dam 480 EVENT LOG Refit/replacements segment: 74.120 men were added to Germany's front line units Unready units: 43 German units unready NOTABLE EVENTS The Soviets decide to spare their tank forces for another day, and withdraw their tank armies around Kursk. Kerch has been under repeated attacks this summer. It has held until now, but the garrison is at the verge of breaking. Unfortunately, no reinforcements can be spared. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FRONTLINE OVERVIEW [image]local://upfiles/37788/3B79B2D4BAEF42FB86BB79623A23D589.jpg[/image]

fiva55 -> Turn 61 Overview (5/2/2011 4:41:53 PM)
BEGIN TURN 61 8/21/1943 OKH RECEIVED REPORTS SUMMARY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AXIS OOB Men: 2.245.739 Guns: 18.003 AFV: 3.433 Air: 1.689 SOVIET OOB Men: 6.323.790 Guns: 106.547 AFV: 9.312 Air: 15.440 AXIS LOSSES Men: 2.508.362 Guns: 40.272 AFV: 8.293 Air: 6.040 SOVIET LOSSES Men: 6.199.229 Guns: 112.976 AFV: 26.185 Air: 33.946 SOVIET ATTACKS RESULTS 08 held 12 retreated 20 AF bombed PRODUCTION Manpower pool: 534.298 Armaments pool: 0 Rifle Squads: Rdy 17.649/Dam 410 EVENT LOG Refit/replacements segment: 56.756 men were added to Germany's front line units Unready units: 50 German units unready NOTABLE EVENTS The battle for the Valdai Hills has begun. Intending to make the Soviets pay dearly for the capture of these hills, XXXXVII PzCrps, composed of 6th, 7th Pz Div and Wiking SS, Totenkoph SS PzGren Div have been transferred to this sector. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ END OF TURN 61 NOTABLE EVENTS All sectors were able to retreat successfully, with no divisions cut off. An overview of the southern sector: [image]local://upfiles/37788/8C6B9CEB2D684464AD7134FA895420DD.jpg[/image]

fiva55 -> Turn 62 Overview (5/3/2011 7:42:44 PM)
BEGIN TURN 62 8/28/1943 OKH RECEIVED REPORTS SUMMARY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AXIS OOB Men: 2.265.527 Guns: 17.863 AFV: 3.540 Air: 1.727 SOVIET OOB Men: 6.371.409 Guns: 107.480 AFV: 9.188 Air: 15.588 AXIS LOSSES Men: 2.532.342 Guns: 40.878 AFV: 8.427 Air: 6.141 SOVIET LOSSES Men: 6.232.463 Guns: 114.006 AFV: 26.696 Air: 34.477 SOVIET ATTACKS RESULTS 13 held 15 retreated 22 AF bombed PRODUCTION Manpower pool: 489.856 Armaments pool: 0 Rifle Squads: Rdy 18.918/Dam 607 EVENT LOG Refit/replacements segment: 123.683 men were added to Germany's front line units Unready units: 30 German units unready NOTABLE EVENTS Elements of 1st Tank Army and 5th Guards Tank army have been detected massing near the Valdai Hills. [image]local://upfiles/37788/74BF8468941B44588B4DA80F7746B44E.jpg[/image] The Soviet 51st Army has finally forced back VII Rum. Corps. Kerch has fallen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ END OF TURN 61 NOTABLE EVENTS XXXXVII PzCrps has launched an spoiling attack on 1st Tank Army and 5th Guards Tank Army, managing to cut off 2 tank corps.

fiva55 -> Turn 63 Overview (5/4/2011 7:06:52 PM)
BEGIN TURN 63 9/4/1943 OKH RECEIVED REPORTS SUMMARY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AXIS OOB Men: 2.288.960 Guns: 17.965 AFV: 3.596 Air: 1.767 SOVIET OOB Men: 6.395.477 Guns: 108.261 AFV: 9.103 Air: 15.855 AXIS LOSSES Men: 2.557.547 Guns: 41.589 AFV: 8.593 Air: 6.278 SOVIET LOSSES Men: 6.270.807 Guns: 115.058 AFV: 27.115 Air: 34.976 SOVIET ATTACKS RESULTS 20 held 18 retreated 20 AF bombed PRODUCTION Manpower pool: 463.037 Armaments pool: 0 Rifle Squads: Rdy 19.778/Dam 517 EVENT LOG Refit/replacements segment: 87.762 men were added to Germany's front line units Unready units: 25 German units unready NOTABLE EVENTS Around the Valdai Hills, the main body of 5th Guards Tank Army arrives and counter attacks XXXXVII PzCrps, managing to force the Germans back and relieve their entrapped comrades. [image]local://upfiles/37788/66A10FBAB04D4256892B1E513FCA983E.jpg[/image] Down south in the Crimea, VII Rum Corps keeps retreating before the Soviet 51st Army. Elements of 3rd Rum. Army are en route to delay the Soviets as long as possible, but a evacuation of the peninsula is inevitable.

fiva55 -> The Soviet Air campaign of 43 (5/4/2011 8:22:05 PM)
The summer of 1943 saw the rise of the Red Air Force, when the Soviets started systemically bombing the airfields of the Germans. The first attack caught the Germans by complete surprise, who until then had at least always enjoyed local air superiority. The large numbers of Soviet bombers during these first attacks, complete overwhelmed the air defences of the Germans, and in many cases the Soviets managed to damage considerable numbers Luftwaffe bombers on the ground. The only defence against the onslaught of the Soviet bombers and their escorts lay in relocating the airfields as far away from the front as possible, ensuring that the Soviet bombers had to fly the last part of their run unescorted. This however meant that there was less air cover for the front line troops, allowing the Soviet ground attack aircraft to support any Soviet push relatively unhindered. [image]http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/4101/keepaneyeontheair.jpg[/image] The Soviet bombing campaign held on for almost 2 months, with a registered number of around 400 AF bombing attacks. The end results were disastrous for the Germans. Though the German war machine managed to produce enough aircrafts to maintain a steady number of bombers for the Eastern Front, the situation was much more serious when it came to the number of fighters. Coupled with some recalls because of the intensifying allied bombing campaign back home, the number of German fighters have dwindled to about an average of 15-30 planes per Army Group due to the constant bombing raids. With no considerable reinforcements in the foreseeable future to boost these numbers, this means that the Red airforce has finally managed to gain decisive air superiority over the Eastern Front. [IMG]http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/8902/airv.jpg[/IMG]

Kronolog -> RE: The Soviet Air campaign of 43 (5/4/2011 8:58:45 PM)
Wow, only 15-30 fighters per AG? That seems quite harsh for late -43. [:(]

fiva55 -> RE: The Soviet Air campaign of 43 (5/4/2011 9:44:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kronolog Wow, only 15-30 fighters per AG? That seems quite harsh for late -43. [:(] Ah well, I might be exaggerating a bit [:D]. With some micromanaging and 2 turns without AF bombing attacks, I have a total of 566 Ready F/FB/NF. That's 100+ planes per AG. The Soviets still massively outnumber me though, and their interdiction attacks are a pain in the ass, so it wasn't completely fiction [;)]. Though at the height of my opponent's bombing campaign, I believe at one point I did have a few Luftflottes with almost no fighters. That's when I manually started to redistribute squadrons and sending very damaged one to the national reserve. I recommend anyone interested in preserving their airforce to do the same and not just to rely on the AI. Edit: I should have posted a warning: The story parts of this AAR are often dramatized. For hard facts I recommend the OKH Received Reports Summaries.

fiva55 -> Turn 64 overview (5/5/2011 12:30:26 PM)
BEGIN TURN 64 9/11/1943 OKH RECEIVED REPORTS SUMMARY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AXIS OOB Men: 2.300.096 Guns: 18.238 AFV: 3.671 Air: 1.836 SOVIET OOB Men: 6.567.766 Guns: 109.708 AFV: 9.008 Air: 16.154 AXIS LOSSES Men: 2.584.487 Guns: 42.447 AFV: 8.784 Air: 6.344 SOVIET LOSSES Men: 6.318.531 Guns: 116.153 AFV: 27.662 Air: 35.413 SOVIET ATTACKS RESULTS 13 held 11 retreated PRODUCTION Manpower pool: 456.308 Armaments pool: 0 Rifle Squads: Rdy 20.429/Dam 518 EVENT LOG Unready units: 18 German units unready NOTABLE EVENTS The Soviets have stopped their AF bombing campaign. The Valdai hill defence has been reinforced by III panzer korps, bringing the panzer strenght in this sector to 5 panzer divisions and 3 panzergrenadier divisions. The Romanians keep retreating in the Crimea, it wont be long until the Soviets have control over the entire peninsula. [image]local://upfiles/37788/FC6C2FC2B0C740E1B9807897E1C16A6E.jpg[/image]

fcam1387 -> RE: Turn 64 overview (5/5/2011 3:23:05 PM)
How on earth can you maintain a front that wide with a mere 2.3 million men? You must be near collapse at this stage. Facing over 6.3 million Soviets basically means he basically can hurl you all the way to Berlin with little effort. Why do you reckon Axis casualties have been so high? Is it a game issue or have you used them too aggressively?

Q-Ball -> RE: Turn 64 overview (5/5/2011 6:21:12 PM)
That is a critically low number of Germans, I am surprised your CVs are showing as high as they are, though there are alot of low numbers still. Manpower appears critical. Maybe fiva55 is disbanding FBDs and airunits to stretch the manpower into more Rifles, but that's a button you can push only so many times

hfarrish -> RE: Turn 64 overview (5/5/2011 8:50:34 PM)
My experience in the same scenario was that my army had collapsed by this point, with the exception of the panzers, who stayed strong through me keeping them in the rear and using them only to attack exposed tank corps. Not sure the issue is German losses being too high, but Soviet losses being too low (particularly in successful counterattacks, but also in successful attacks - anectdotally my impression is that the Soviets suffered very heavily even in successful operations, such as the Seelow Heights. Game mechanics don't really recreate this - a successful Soviet attack will typically have a 1:1 loss ratio or better). Also an issue with replacements not filtering through properly to the Germans, his army has crumbled and there are still 500k men in the pool

fiva55 -> Turn 65 Front line overview (5/5/2011 11:25:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL:� fcam1387 How on earth can you maintain a front that wide with a mere 2.3 million men? You must be near collapse at this stage. Facing over 6.3 million Soviets basically means he basically can hurl you all the way to Berlin with little effort. Why do you reckon Axis casualties have been so high? Is it a game issue or have you used them too aggressively? I can't maintain a coherent front with just 2,3 million men, especially since I try to avoid using unready units in the front lines. In many places I'm forced to rely on a checker board defense. Still, having the Fins occupying a 100+ mile front helps out a lot. Another fact preventing the Soviets from simply overrunning my positions is that they have trouble with their supply lines. My opponent told me that he lacks sufficient number of trucks. As for the state of my army, my OOB has been pretty stable these last few turns, mainly because the Soviets have trouble catching up and inflicting casualties. The IDs mostly have an average of 2-3 CV, with some lucky 4 CVs.� Though luckily most of them are now in ready status, and are least capable of defending against division sized Soviet units. My armoured units are in pretty decent shape, with Grossdeutschland having a 11 CV and my average Pz div having 8 CV. At any point of the game I am at least refitting 5 Pz / PzG divs. As for why my casualties are so high, I don't think that I used my units too aggressively. If anything, I am pretty conservative, only striking when it is unavoidable. It's just that whenever I counter attack, I suffer proportionally high losses, especially compared to the Soviets. Like hfarrish I think the Soviets should�suffer more losses when they attack. Anyway, at this point of the game, I don't even bother attacking guard infantry corps any more. It's just not worth the losses. quote: ORIGINAL:� Q-Ball Maybe fiva55 is disbanding FBDs and airunits to stretch the manpower into more Rifles, but that's a button you can push only so many times I have indeed disbanded 3 FBDs and cleaned up my air units. I have also at least merged 10 IDs with <2000 men. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OVERVIEW OF THE FRONT LINES END OF TURN 65 [image]local://upfiles/37788/41AECC1B1E6845B7A0C7C4FE6A39E48B.jpg[/image]

Fishbed -> RE: Turn 65 Front line overview (5/6/2011 4:26:36 AM)
I suppose that a fighting retreat to a shortened Lagoda-Valdai line may become an option soon right? I am a little worried by any possibility of breakthrough to the north-west in the Valdai area...

fiva55 -> Turn 65 overview (5/7/2011 10:09:50 AM)
BEGIN TURN 65 9/18/1943 OKH RECEIVED REPORTS SUMMARY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AXIS OOB Men: 2.283.137 Guns: 18.254 AFV: 3.713 Air: 1.892 SOVIET OOB Men: 6.624.183 Guns: 110.915 AFV: 9.107 Air: 16.404 AXIS LOSSES Men: 2.607.644 Guns: 43.102 AFV: 8.932 Air: 6.397 SOVIET LOSSES Men: 6.354.105 Guns: 117.075 AFV: 28.033 Air: 35.583 SOVIET ATTACKS RESULTS 07 held 14 retreated PRODUCTION Manpower pool: 447.252 Armaments pool: 0 Rifle Squads: Rdy 20.040/Dam 672 EVENT LOG Refit/replacements segment: 35.835 men were added to Germany's front line units Unready units: 17 German units unready NOTABLE EVENTS Around the Valdai Hills, 5 divisions got encircled by the Soviet Tank armies. A counter attack by the recently arrived III PzCrps managed to relief their comrades, inflicting heavy tank casualties on the Soviets. [image]local://upfiles/37788/9C23D997FA7546429FAC99D70E83EED4.jpg[/image] The Kharkov line has finally been abandoned, it was breached at too many places.

fiva55 -> Turn 66 overview (5/8/2011 3:34:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fishbed I suppose that a fighting retreat to a shortened Lagoda-Valdai line may become an option soon right? I am a little worried by any possibility of breakthrough to the north-west in the Valdai area... It's inevitable, but I intend to delay it as long as possible. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BEGIN TURN 66 9/25/1943 OKH RECEIVED REPORTS SUMMARY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AXIS OOB Men: 2.223.599 Guns: 17.769 AFV: 3.582 Air: 1.911 SOVIET OOB Men: 6.582.804 Guns: 110.426 AFV: 8.951 Air: 16.495 AXIS LOSSES Men: 2.654.015 Guns: 44.271 AFV: 9.201 Air: 6.488 SOVIET LOSSES Men: 6.426.282 Guns: 118.945 AFV: 28.759 Air: 36.363 SOVIET ATTACKS RESULTS 13 held 23 retreated PRODUCTION Manpower pool: 478.293 Armaments pool: 0 Rifle Squads: Rdy 18.437/Dam 706 EVENT LOG Refit/replacements segment: 48.944 men were added to Germany's front line units Unready units: 23 German units unready NOTABLE EVENTS All around the front, leading elements of the Soviets have reached our new lines, and have at some places breached our defences. All breakthrough could still be contained.

fiva55 -> Turn 67 overview (5/8/2011 3:44:52 PM)
BEGIN TURN 67 10/2/1943 OKH RECEIVED REPORTS SUMMARY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AXIS OOB Men: 2.235.715 Guns: 18.198 AFV: 3.647 Air: 2.143 SOVIET OOB Men: 6.749.155 Guns: 113.464 AFV: 9.309 AXIS LOSSES Men: 2.660.097 Guns: 44.443 AFV: 9.241 Air: 6.491 SOVIET LOSSES Men: 6.448.265 Guns: 119.430 AFV: 28.867 Air: 36.641 SOVIET ATTACKS RESULTS 1 retreated PRODUCTION Manpower pool: 471.770 Armaments pool: 0 Rifle Squads: Rdy 18.437/Dam 706 EVENT LOG Refit/replacements segment: 55.635 men were added to Germany's front line units Unready units: 6 German units unready NOTABLE EVENTS Intelligence suggest that the Soviets are preparing for their winter offensive, and do not want to risk their troops getting cut off during the coming mud season. Just one attack was made in the Crimea. In the Crimea, 3rd Rum. Army is still holding the Soviet 51st Army at bay, but only barely. Should the Soviet break through, they will be able to flank the Dnepr line. To prevent this, XXXIX PzCrps and XXXI PzCrps of 1st Panzer Army have been ordered to redeploy in the Crimea, with orders to break through the thinly held flanks of the Soviet 51st Army, reach the port of Feodosiya, and isolate and destroy the Soviets before the winter. [image]local://upfiles/37788/748EE11AEFF6408AB58F0B289743A14A.jpg[/image]

fiva55 -> Turn 68 overview (5/8/2011 5:36:44 PM)
BEGIN TURN 68 10/9/1943 OKH RECEIVED REPORTS SUMMARY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AXIS OOB Men: 2.266.679 Guns: 18.473 AFV: 3.776 Air: 2.098 SOVIET OOB Men: 6.875.090 Guns: 115.074 AFV: 9.559 Air: 15.996 AXIS LOSSES Men: 2.667.790 Guns: 44.673 AFV: 9.279 Air: 6.495 SOVIET LOSSES Men: 6.465.537 Guns: 119.961 AFV: 28.913 Air: 36.078 SOVIET ATTACKS RESULTS 4 retreated PRODUCTION Manpower pool: 446.461 Armaments pool: 0 Rifle Squads: Rdy 19.197/Dam 409 EVENT LOG Refit/replacements segment: 60.035 men were added to Germany's front line units NOTABLE EVENTS Final preparations have been made for the mud season. One PzCrps has redeployed well behind the front lines to act as strategic reserve. Crimea has been retaken by 1st Panzer, trapping large parts of the Soviet 51st Army in the process. [image]local://upfiles/37788/F6090CA09D584D6E9306FFDF1B647C8D.jpg[/image]

Jajusha -> RE: Turn 68 overview (5/8/2011 5:47:31 PM)
Mud arriving, fiva let me check the AAR for now. Still near half a million in the manpower pool. What about your armament factories, are they all operating? Are you short on resources?

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